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Brenda - 16 May 2008 02:21 GMT
And different types....but no improvement <much> with BG.
FBS  167
For breakfast I had 1 strip bacon, 1 small sausage patty, 1 fried egg, 1 slice toast with butter & 1 cup milk.
1 hr PP   201
2 hr PP 191

For dinner I had 1 ground chuck patty <probably slightly larger than 1/4#...I did not weigh or measure this.
1 slice bread <I bought a loaf of Brownberry Carb Smart or something...9 total gms/carb/slice>
Little squirt of mustard and 1 thin slice grilled vidalia onion.  Probably 1 1/2 cup garden salad with
2 tablespoons of Kraft French Dressing.  1 cup milk
1 hr PP  220
2 hr PP 156
3 hr PP 146

     Calories Eaten Today
             grams  cals %total
           Total:   1219    
           Fat: 79  709  59%
             Sat: 26  230  19%
             Poly: 16  148  12%
             Mono: 30  270  22%
           Carbs: 54  206  17%
             Fiber: 3  0  0%
           Protein: 72  287  24%
           Alcohol: 0  0  0%
     
            Fat  Carbs
            Protein
   

I also tested right before dinner.....which seems to be my my time of day for lowest readings....134

I did buy some celery ,,cottage cheese..apples   to do so munchies this week.  Really not hungry tho...like I have been.
I just don't understand why my morning FBS is still high?

Any suggestions?......   Thanks

Brenda
Julie Bove - 16 May 2008 03:19 GMT
 And different types....but no improvement <much> with BG.
 FBS  167
 For breakfast I had 1 strip bacon, 1 small sausage patty, 1 fried egg, 1 slice toast with butter & 1 cup milk.
 1 hr PP   201
 2 hr PP 191

 Milk is high in carbs.  Don't have it.

 For dinner I had 1 ground chuck patty <probably slightly larger than 1/4#...I did not weigh or measure this.
 1 slice bread <I bought a loaf of Brownberry Carb Smart or something...9 total gms/carb/slice>
 Little squirt of mustard and 1 thin slice grilled vidalia onion.  Probably 1 1/2 cup garden salad with
 2 tablespoons of Kraft French Dressing.  1 cup milk
 1 hr PP  220
 2 hr PP 156
 3 hr PP 146

 Again, it's the milk.

       Calories Eaten Today
               grams  cals %total
             Total:   1219    
             Fat: 79  709  59%
               Sat: 26  230  19%
               Poly: 16  148  12%
               Mono: 30  270  22%
             Carbs: 54  206  17%
               Fiber: 3  0  0%
             Protein: 72  287  24%
             Alcohol: 0  0  0%
       
              Fat  Carbs
              Protein
     

 I also tested right before dinner.....which seems to be my my time of day for lowest readings....134

 I did buy some celery ,,cottage cheese..apples   to do so munchies this week.  Really not hungry tho...like I have been.
 I just don't understand why my morning FBS is still high?

 Any suggestions?......   Thanks

 Brenda
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 May 2008 03:58 GMT
> > Really not hungry tho...like I have been.
> > I just don't understand why my morning FBS is still high?

It is when our blood glucose is between 70 - 90 mg/dL that we are
hungrier.

>   Any suggestions?......

Be hungry.

>   Thanks
>
>   Brenda

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Susan - 16 May 2008 06:10 GMT
>   Calories Eaten Today
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> *Brenda*
>  

A couple of things, Brenda.  If your bg is 110 or above before eating,
take all the carbs that aren't leafy greens out of the meal. Milk has
lactose, a fast acting sugar, and you know the bread is carby, too.
Clearly, carbs at breakfast are a total non starter for you.

Susan
Brenda - 16 May 2008 06:29 GMT
Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do without my
bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do without my cup of
milk!!
How many carbs should I aim for in a meal?  Or for a daily total?
Thanks....
Brenda

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Brenda wrote:

>   Calories Eaten Today
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Protein: 72  287  24%
> Alcohol: 0  0  0%

A couple of things, Brenda.  If your bg is 110 or above before eating,
take all the carbs that aren't leafy greens out of the meal. Milk has
lactose, a fast acting sugar, and you know the bread is carby, too.
Clearly, carbs at breakfast are a total non starter for you.

Susan
Julie Bove - 16 May 2008 06:34 GMT
> Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do without
> my
> bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do without my cup
> of
> milk!!
> How many carbs should I aim for in a meal?  Or for a daily total?

Diabetics really shouldn't be drinking milk unless they are having a hypo.
And really, adults don't need it.  I don't really think kids to either, but
that's another subject.  Do you like real cream?  It has less carbs in it.
Brenda - 16 May 2008 07:19 GMT
I don't know that I have ever drank real cream.   I guess I will just learn
to go with my iced tea with splenda for meals also.   I have always been a
milk drinker.....but if I really do not need it...then I guess that at this
time in my life I will do without it.   I am so sorry for asking all these
questions.....  I thought tonight was a better night...but I have eaten my
snack of celery & cream cheese and I have a horrible horrible headache.
Took BG reading at 10:30PM  ...down to 137....guess I should be glad but I
do not feel as well late tonite as I have felt all day with higher BG!!!

Brenda

> Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do without
> my
> bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do without my cup
> of
> milk!!
> How many carbs should I aim for in a meal?  Or for a daily total?

Diabetics really shouldn't be drinking milk unless they are having a hypo.
And really, adults don't need it.  I don't really think kids to either, but
that's another subject.  Do you like real cream?  It has less carbs in it.
Alan S - 16 May 2008 11:22 GMT
>I don't know that I have ever drank real cream.   I guess I will just learn
>to go with my iced tea with splenda for meals also.   I have always been a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Brenda

That's not an unusual symptom. Your body has been too high
for too long and is not happy with the change. But it is
worth it in the long run.

I hope the crappy phase passes quickly for you.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Priscilla H. Ballou - 16 May 2008 17:59 GMT
> Took BG reading at 10:30PM  ...down to 137....guess I should be glad but I
> do not feel as well late tonite as I have felt all day with higher BG!!!

It'll take your body a while to adjust, but I suspect you'll feel even
better yet when your numbers are consistently in the non-diabetic zone.

Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise
BlueBrooke - 16 May 2008 20:02 GMT
>> Took BG reading at 10:30PM  ...down to 137....guess I should be glad but I
>> do not feel as well late tonite as I have felt all day with higher BG!!!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise

Ditto to that, and also wanted to add that you may find that you will
have more "wiggle" room after you've accomplished that.
Michelle C - 17 May 2008 00:51 GMT
Hi Brenda,

I agree with Susan and Julie about the carb issue.  Take out all carbs,
except the green leafy veggies.  I know it's tough to get used to, but my
diet consists of protein, low starch veggies, a little fruit, cheese, nuts
and healthy oils.

The fact that you have a headache, probably means that your body *thinks*
your BG is low.  Not surprising, because it's used to running high.  So
while you feel like crap, it actually means you're making progress.  ;-)
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>I don't know that I have ever drank real cream.   I guess I will just learn
> to go with my iced tea with splenda for meals also.   I have always been a
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> but
> that's another subject.  Do you like real cream?  It has less carbs in it.
Nicky - 16 May 2008 13:08 GMT
>Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do without my
>bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do without my cup of
>milk!!
>How many carbs should I aim for in a meal?  Or for a daily total?

Only your meter can answer that; it's different for each of us.

For me, my limits are 6g carbs for breakfast, around 20 for lunch, and
30-40 for supper. There's no way I can tolerate milk, even a splash in
coffee, before 11am-ish. I make or buy low-carb bread, there's no
regular stuff I can tolerate.

Today's menu is:
Breakfast - huge mug green tea, mushroom omelette
Lunch - taramasolata, carrot, home-made tortilla; coffee
Supper - sausages, broccoli or kale, mashed cauli or maybe zucchini
ribbons, gravy; wine, coffee, chocolate.
Snacks - haven't wanted one this morning; maybe a Ryvita cracker or a
piece of low-carb brownie this afternoon. I'm just headed for my
second cup of coffee after lunch, and I'll refill my green tea mug for
work this afternoon.

HTH,

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Nick Cramer - 16 May 2008 13:27 GMT
> >Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do
> >without my bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> coffee, before 11am-ish. I make or buy low-carb bread, there's no
> regular stuff I can tolerate.

Nicky, during those rare interludes, where I want cream in my coffee, I buy
a half pint of extra heavy whipping cream. If it says homogenized, it's not
real extra heavy whipping cream!

You make your own low-carb bread, eh? A friend is sending me some of his
sourdough starter, as I plan to get back into making sourdough bread.
Please be so kind as to send me your recipe and procedure. Thanks.

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Trinkwasser - 16 May 2008 21:22 GMT
>> >Question about carbs??  Should I work down to NO Carbs?  I can do
>> >without my bread for meals...but I am going to be hard pressed to do
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> coffee, before 11am-ish. I make or buy low-carb bread, there's no
>> regular stuff I can tolerate.

I can do about 15g for breakfast, 30 - 50g in the evening but
strangely back to 15 again at night, and around 60 - 100g spread out
over the day without too many problems - your numbers will undoubtedly
be different. The pattern of lower tolerance in the morning is pretty
common but not exclusive. Also it depends on your levels of exertion.

Those need to be slow carbs too, oatcakes or ryebread usually with
butter or nut butter or cheese, or a small handful of dried fruit with
a large handful of nuts - the fat slows down the absorbtion of the
carbs to a level my pancreas can still cope with. I can pretty much
handle wholewheat bread in the evening but not at other times unless
I'm doing heavy duty walking or gardening or similar.

I eat masses of salads, most vegetables, meat and especially fish, and
mainly only berry fruit. Sometimes I can get away with sufficiently
small quantities of other fruit in the evening, like half an apple,
especially Russets, they must have put that tree in the garden because
they knew I was coming!) and it works best if I eat it *before* the
meal rather than afterwards. Melons and bananas are a big no-no.

You might try Quinoa as a substitute for rice and other carby things
(works for me but not for everyone) and try substituting things like
runner beans or spaghetti squash for spaghetti, or cauliflower for
potatoes, but at the end of the day you'll find you have your own Good
Things and Bad Things which only your meter can tell you.

>Nicky, during those rare interludes, where I want cream in my coffee, I buy
>a half pint of extra heavy whipping cream. If it says homogenized, it's not
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>sourdough starter, as I plan to get back into making sourdough bread.
>Please be so kind as to send me your recipe and procedure. Thanks.

Make it in your neighbour's house and leave it there (I used to LOVE
my home baked bread <sigh>)
Cheri - 16 May 2008 22:51 GMT
Trinkwasser wrote in message
>I eat masses of salads, most vegetables, meat and especially fish, and
>mainly only berry fruit. Sometimes I can get away with sufficiently
>small quantities of other fruit in the evening, like half an apple,
>especially Russets, they must have put that tree in the garden because
>they knew I was coming!) and it works best if I eat it *before* the
>meal rather than afterwards. Melons and bananas are a big no-no.

I do OK with a couple of small slices of cantaloupe per serving.
Watermelon doesn't really work at all though. :-(

Cheri

Cheri
Trinkwasser - 17 May 2008 14:57 GMT
>Trinkwasser wrote in message
>>I eat masses of salads, most vegetables, meat and especially fish,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I do OK with a couple of small slices of cantaloupe per serving.
>Watermelon doesn't really work at all though. :-(

My favourite fruits were melons bananas and strawberries, now I'm down
to one out of three <sigh> yes that goes to make the point that
everyone has different no-nos.

Also I forgot to mention nuts which fortunately others have picked up
on, nuts generally work OK on the BG but beware of wind and
overindulging which may lead to weight gain: generally though they're
Good Things containing benevolent fats and protein.
Nicky - 16 May 2008 23:34 GMT
>You make your own low-carb bread, eh? A friend is sending me some of his
>sourdough starter, as I plan to get back into making sourdough bread.
>Please be so kind as to send me your recipe and procedure. Thanks.

I don't really have a recipe any more - I sort-of use a combo of
Quentin's bread recipe, and the Eades' one. (I sound like Krom here
:P)
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/quentins_bread.htm
http://www.lowcarbcookworx.com/ and search for rye bread

I chuck in either rye, spelt or buckwheat flour to my breadmaker
depending on which of those I haven't eaten recently (cos I spike with
any of them if I eat them too often), add gluten and bran to make up
the volume, and water, yeast and oil according to flour volume. It
goes on dough so I can check the texture and adjust as necessary. When
the dough's ready I shape it in 1-lb tins, let rise, and bake at 350
for 30-40 mins.

I also frequently make Dana Carpender's tortillas - they are perfect
for when I need a bag lunch. I can't find a recipe for this on the
net, but I recommend her books - I think that one's from 500 low-carb
recipes (or similar). OTOH, you guys can buy such things easily!

HTH :P  I must try sourdough, I haven't done so for a good couple of
years, maybe it's within my tolerance these days...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Alan S - 17 May 2008 06:58 GMT
>I chuck in either rye, spelt or buckwheat flour to my breadmaker
>depending on which of those I haven't eaten recently (cos I spike with
>any of them if I eat them too often),

Now that IS interesting. I hadn't thought of rotating flour
types before.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Nick Cramer - 17 May 2008 08:27 GMT
> On 16 May 2008 12:27:29 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
[ . . . ]
> I also frequently make Dana Carpender's tortillas - they are perfect
> for when I need a bag lunch. I can't find a recipe for this on the
> net, but I recommend her books - I think that one's from 500 low-carb
> recipes (or similar). OTOH, you guys can buy such things easily!

Thank you very much, Nicky. I'll study the web sites over the weekend. I
had been taught that cooking was an art and baking was a science, so I was
surprised that you didn't have a recipe. Also, you mentioned that you have
a bag of Carbalose, so I half expected to see some of that in your bread.

As for being able to buy such things easily in the USA, I have some bad
news for you. Our streets are not paved with gold! Although I live in one
of the yuppiest cities in America, if I want anything out-of-the-ordinary,
I have to diligently Google it, then order it online! I'd have to go to a
halal (Islamic) market to get the makings for Haggis. ;-(

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Nicky - 17 May 2008 10:58 GMT
>As for being able to buy such things easily in the USA, I have some bad
>news for you. Our streets are not paved with gold! Although I live in one
>of the yuppiest cities in America, if I want anything out-of-the-ordinary,
>I have to diligently Google it, then order it online! I'd have to go to a
>halal (Islamic) market to get the makings for Haggis. ;-(

ROFL! Paved with web sites, then... there is ONE web site in the UK
that carries some of the low-carb products I want. I occasionally buy
from netrition, but the shipping costs are unbelievable. Making this
kind of stuff is way simpler... OTOH, I could buy haggis without a
bother. If I wanted to!!

I've only just got the carbalose. Right now I'm at the stage where I'm
experimenting with very small amounts and testing - I'm enjoying
having floured fish, for instance, and the impossible pie topping on a
chicken and broccoli pie, sauce made with carbalose, was nice for
supper the other day. I might be brave and see what it does at
breakfast tomorrow, and do pancakes...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Nick Cramer - 17 May 2008 13:19 GMT
> On 17 May 2008 07:27:47 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
[ . . . ]
> I've only just got the carbalose. Right now I'm at the stage where I'm
> experimenting with very small amounts and testing - I'm enjoying
> having floured fish, for instance, and the impossible pie topping on a
> chicken and broccoli pie, sauce made with carbalose, was nice for
> supper the other day. I might be brave and see what it does at
> breakfast tomorrow, and do pancakes...

A roux or a bechamel? I've made pancakes with CarbQuik (haven't ordered the
Carbalose, yet). So far, I've found that halving the Splenda and doubling
the called for amount of eggs and baking powder gives me results that I
like better. I'm most interested in hearing what you did and how they came
out.

Have a nice weekend and take care.

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Michelle C - 17 May 2008 16:51 GMT
What is carbalose?

TIA!
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BMI 21.5

>>As for being able to buy such things easily in the USA, I have some bad
>>news for you. Our streets are not paved with gold! Although I live in one
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Nicky - 18 May 2008 08:53 GMT
>What is carbalose?

Just the flour contents of Carbquik, without the additives.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Michelle C - 18 May 2008 18:35 GMT
Thanks, Nicky!
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BMI 21.5

>>What is carbalose?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Nick Cramer - 19 May 2008 03:46 GMT
> What is carbalose?

http://www.tovaindustries.com/carbalose/faq.html

http://www6.netrition.com/cgi/prices.cgi?manu_id=219

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Michelle C - 19 May 2008 17:10 GMT
Thanks Nick!
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>> What is carbalose?
>
> http://www.tovaindustries.com/carbalose/faq.html
>
> http://www6.netrition.com/cgi/prices.cgi?manu_id=219

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