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Brenda - 14 May 2008 23:53 GMT These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during the day. I have started to list my intake at FitDay. My BG today was FBS 137 - 1 hour PP for breakfast was 180. I was unable to do a 2 hour PP as I was not at home. 1 hour PP for dinner was 239 2 hour PP for dinner was
We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. I have been eating a slice of cheese with a cracker around 10 PM.
I know this is probably way too many carbs for 1 day....most of them coming today from oatmeal at breakfast and for dinner great northern beans and hash brown potatoes....but only 1/3 cup each of those. Can anyone point me in the right direction of actual menu type items to prepare? Thanks
grams cals %total Total: 674 Fat: 22 195 30% Sat: 10 90 14% Poly: 3 23 3% Mono: 8 71 11% Carbs: 92 326 50% Fiber: 10 0 0% Protein: 32 129 20% Alcohol: 0 0 0%
Brenda
Alan S - 15 May 2008 00:10 GMT >These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during the day. I have started to list my intake at FitDay. My BG today was FBS 137 - 1 hour PP for breakfast was 180. I was unable to do a 2 hour PP as I was not at home. >1 hour PP for dinner was 239 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Brenda A few points. I'll come back to the carbs.
Either you have made an error or you are eating far too little.
To simplify those numbers, 22gms fat (198kcal)+ 92 gms cabohydrates (362)+ 32 gms protein (128) works out to a little under 700 calories. That is starvation level. I doubt you could keep that up for long, nor do I think any reputable dietician would suggest that you should.
Your ratio of fat/carbs/protein would make the ADA happy at:
Fat 29% Carbs 53% Protein 18%
But the devil is in the details. Despite those starvation levels you had these results:
FBS 137 Breakfast of oatmeal [any other ingredients?] 1 hour PP 180.
Dinner of 1/3 cup great northern beans and 1/3 cup hash brown potatoes [any other ingredients?]
1 hour PP 239
Even those scanty details are enough to say that, at least for the moment, oatmeal is a poor breakfast choice for you and the same may be said for beans and/or hash browns at dinner.
You might want to reconsider this too:
>We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. Possibly you could add a few small low-carb snacks spread across the day. Note that while cheese is low-carb, crackers are not.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
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Brenda - 15 May 2008 00:29 GMT On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:53:53 -0400, "Brenda" <here@home.com> wrote:
A few points. I'll come back to the carbs.
Either you have made an error or you are eating far too little.
No error...exactly as posted except what I have inserted below.
Your ratio of fat/carbs/protein would make the ADA happy at:
Fat 29% Carbs 53% Protein 18%
But the devil is in the details. Despite those starvation levels you had these results:
FBS 137 Breakfast of oatmeal [any other ingredients?] - No other ingredients... 1 packet Quaker Instant Maple/Brown Sugar Oatmeal 50% Lower Sugar made with water in microwave. Carbs listed on box 24 g
1 hour PP 180.
Dinner of 1/3 cup great northern beans and 1/3 cup hash brown potatoes [any other ingredients?] - 1/2 cup canned mixed greens ...forgot to list here but did list it in FitDay so was included in results I posted.
1 hour PP 239 - Also forgot 2 hour PP 169
Even those scanty details are enough to say that, at least for the moment, oatmeal is a poor breakfast choice for you and the same may be said for beans and/or hash browns at dinner.
You might want to reconsider this too:
>We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. Possibly you could add a few small low-carb snacks spread across the day. Note that while cheese is low-carb, crackers are not. Will definitely work on that. I thank you so much for your input. I feel like I am getting some help here already!!
Brenda
Julie Bove - 15 May 2008 00:13 GMT These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during the day. I have started to list my intake at FitDay. My BG today was FBS 137 - 1 hour PP for breakfast was 180. I was unable to do a 2 hour PP as I was not at home. 1 hour PP for dinner was 239 2 hour PP for dinner was
We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. I have been eating a slice of cheese with a cracker around 10 PM.
I know this is probably way too many carbs for 1 day....most of them coming today from oatmeal at breakfast and for dinner great northern beans and hash brown potatoes....but only 1/3 cup each of those. Can anyone point me in the right direction of actual menu type items to prepare? Thanks
grams cals%total Total: 674 Fat:22 195 30% Sat:10 90 14% Poly:3 23 3% Mono:8 71 11% Carbs:92 326 50% Fiber:10 0 0% Protein:32 129 20% Alcohol:0 0 0%
Oatmeal is probably a bad thing to have for breakfast. The body is the most insulin resistant then and many of us find we have to eat less carbs then. Better choices would be eggs, bacon, ham, sausage, cottage cheese, in other words, protein foods, with perhaps a small amount of carbs like one slice of toast.
Not sure about dinner because it appears you didn't test prior. Could well be your BG was too high prior. You didn't even eat 2 servings of carbs there, unless there are more carbs you're not accounting for, like salad dressing, sauce, gravy, etc.
I don't do Fit Day so I can't help you there.
Brenda - 15 May 2008 00:35 GMT Oatmeal is probably a bad thing to have for breakfast. The body is the most insulin resistant then and many of us find we have to eat less carbs then. Better choices would be eggs, bacon, ham, sausage, cottage cheese, in other words, protein foods, with perhaps a small amount of carbs like one slice of toast. ---- I am thrilled to hear this as that was exactly what I have been eating before this past week.....bacon or sausage with 1 egg and 1 piece of toast. Occasionally some fresh grapefruit also.
Not sure about dinner because it appears you didn't test prior. ...... Should I also test before eating dinner???
Could well be your BG was too high prior. You didn't even eat 2 servings of carbs there, unless there are more carbs you're not accounting for, like salad dressing, sauce, gravy, etc....... .... No salad but I did have 1/2 cup of canned mixed greens but that was listed at FitDay so was included in posted results.
Like I mentioned in post to Alan,,,,I appreciate so much your/any feedback I am receiving from my posts/questions. Altho I am way old enough to know better I would think....I still am at a loss as where to turn. I want to try and do this myself rather than relying on my GP. Thanks again!
Brenda
W. Baker - 15 May 2008 17:25 GMT : Oatmeal is probably a bad thing to have for breakfast. The body is the most : insulin resistant then and many of us find we have to eat less carbs then. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : before this past week.....bacon or sausage with 1 egg and 1 piece of toast. : Occasionally some fresh grapefruit also. Very good, but avoid having both toast and fruit . Try it with one or the other and see how it works for you. I often have Wasa crackers or Rye vita which are abaout 6 grms of carb of whle rye grain in place of toast with my eggs. My other, and more usual breakfast, which works for me as I have tested, is really delicious. Take betwee 1/3-1/2 Cup of cottage cheese, add VERY small amounts of a 2-3 fruits-for example, 2-3 smallto medium strawberries. a handful of blue,rasb,black, etc berries, 1 apricot, i/4 apple, 1/2 clementine small orange, 1/2 smallish peach, 1/5-1/6 mango, 4-5 fresh cherries in season but NO BANANA. Mix them togather adn top with 1/4-1/3C PLAIN yogurt.
: Could well : be your BG was too high prior. You didn't even eat 2 servings of carbs : there, unless there are more carbs you're not accounting for, like salad : dressing, sauce, gravy, etc....... : .... No salad but I did have 1/2 cup of canned mixed greens but that was : listed at FitDay so was included in posted results. You had no protein in this meal. That is not great for your nutrition adn also for gicing you a better mix with whatever carbs you are eating. Most of us here follow a dinner pattern of some protein, lots of low starch vegetables like stringbeans, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, an artichoke, eggplant, etc and a salad with lots of greens, tomato, cukes, radishes, green or other pepers, etc dressed with a non-sweet dressing. I make my own vinegar and oil mixture, using various vinegars as the fancy hits me adn nice olive oil, whihc counts as a "good fat," salt adn pepper adn some herbs of choice. You can try adding either a small serving of starch OR a piece of fresh fruit, and testing after the meal so see if you can handle that. I generally skip the starch adn choose a small fruit or a hasmall custard cup of berries. I have trouble with more, but ou will have to find what you can manage.
Possible snacks thought 1 Wassa cracer or ryevita (these are fairly large) with cheese or peanut butter on it. Celery stuffed with peanut butter, flavored cheese spread, fish liesardines or tuna. quarter of an avocado with some left over tuna salad in it, etc.
Take your time adn use your testing to find out what works for you. Personally I can et a fair amount of grape tomatoes or baby carrots as a snac with no problem. Others have trouble with those foods.
Good luck in your efforts adn keep us informed. You will get lots of suggestions and yu will find the ones that work for you.
Wendy
Nick Cramer - 15 May 2008 09:04 GMT > "Brenda" <here@home.com> wrote in message > [ . . . ] > I don't do Fit Day so I can't help you there. Any day where I can stagger into the kitchen for another drink, without tripping over the dog or the furniture is a fit day for me. Any day where I remember to take the 13 pills, that my dear wife has laid out for me, before staggering into bed, is a fit day for me.
Just trying to lighten things up a bit. ;-)
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Michelle C - 15 May 2008 00:25 GMT Hi Brenda, Actually 92 grams of carbs overall is not too bad, although some here on ASD must eat less than that to get their numbers down. But there's more to it than just the total carbs, although that is very important. Some carbs hit your system faster than others, and the oatmeal and potatoes are pretty notorious for spiking BG. As for the great northerns, some people can handle them okay, and others can't. For breakfast, it would be best if you stayed away from cereals. Morning is the time when you are likely to be able to tolerate carbs the least. Instead, try mixing up a couple of eggs in a bowl and microwaving them. Still fast, but much fewer carbs. You can supplement that with fresh veggies, like celery, peppers, etc. The other thing, and it's going to be tough, is that you really do need to eat more often. The reason for this, is that if you're ingesting 92 grams of carb, divided into two meals then you're eating 46 grams of carb at a time. That's a big punch to your system. Whereas if you broke that up into 5 meals/snack you'd be hitting your system with only 18-19 carbs at a time. Much easier for your body to deal with. I eat 3 small meals and 2-3 snacks per day. My meals are only slightly bigger than my snacks. Another issue is your cracker. Unless its a Ryevita or a Wasa Rye, it's going to be made out of refined flour and that's another food likely to spike your BG.
Here's a sample from my menu: Breakfast: 1/2 a turkey burger (cook a lot of burgers ahead, freeze, and then microwave when needed) 1/4-1/3 cup of some kind of beans (right now, I'm on a butter bean kick)--some people can't tolerate the beans though. I have substituted cottage cheese or a leftover veggie from the night before.
Mid-morning: 8 oz of V-8
Lunch: Green salad with ham, cheese, sunflower seeds and full fat dressing. Or A wrap made from a low carb tortilla--ham, cheese, lettuce mustard.
Afternoon snack: A few mixed nuts Celery with cream cheese
Dinner: Some time of meat (grilled chicken, salmon) 2-3 servings of low carb veggies--broccoli, cauliflower (both great with cheese on them), zuchini, summer squash, brussel sprouts, spinach
Evening snack: Wasa Rye cracker with cheese or cottage cheese with fresh strawberries (or other fruit as tolerated)
As always, you need to test to determine what works best for you, but yes there are foods that almost always spike BG in diabetics: rice, anything made with white flour, potatoes, fruit juice (might as well drink regular soda), bananas, grapes.
I can surely understand a hectic schedule, Brenda. However, I've got to point out that getting your BG under control has got to be your number 1 priority. The trick is for you to make it your number 1 priority BEFORE you have no choice.
Do not hesitate to ask questions. That is what the group is here for, and we were all newbies once.
 Signature Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5
These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during the day. I have started to list my intake at FitDay. My BG today was FBS 137 - 1 hour PP for breakfast was 180. I was unable to do a 2 hour PP as I was not at home. 1 hour PP for dinner was 239 2 hour PP for dinner was
We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. I have been eating a slice of cheese with a cracker around 10 PM.
I know this is probably way too many carbs for 1 day....most of them coming today from oatmeal at breakfast and for dinner great northern beans and hash brown potatoes....but only 1/3 cup each of those. Can anyone point me in the right direction of actual menu type items to prepare? Thanks
grams cals %total Total: 674 Fat: 22 195 30% Sat: 10 90 14% Poly: 3 23 3% Mono: 8 71 11% Carbs: 92 326 50% Fiber: 10 0 0% Protein: 32 129 20% Alcohol: 0 0 0%
Brenda
Brenda - 15 May 2008 00:43 GMT Thanks for replying, Michelle. I do think my eating habits are one of my major points of concern that is going to have to change. I need to eat smaller amounts more often is what I am reading / hearing. And I most definitely will keep your foods/snacks on a list for me to do my grocery shopping with. I am an excellent cook....and I love cooking ....and I love eating. So finding something I will eat is not a problem....I love everything! LOL...... My new goal will be eating 5 or 6 small meals/snacks and see if this will impact my BG reading. Thanks so much for your help.
Brenda
Michelle C - 15 May 2008 03:52 GMT Hi Brenda,
The fact that you love to cook is a definite plus, because as you are beginning to see, you'll need to try out new recipes and do some experimenting. Once you start looking, you'll find recipes that are kind to your BG and you'd have been happy to add to your diet regardless. :-) To me, eliminating those pesky BG spiking foods turned out not to be a loss, but a gain. The BG spiking foods were making me feel like crap, and it's great to have tasty food that makes me feel okay.
One more thing, keep copious notes on what you ate and your BG results, that way you can tease out any problem foods that are less that obvious. For example, I have no problem with raw carrots spiking my BG, but if I eat more than half cooked carrot, my BG spikes. Weird huh? And while many people on ASD can get away with eating a whole grain wheat bread, I'm one that can't. So when you try that toast with your eggs and bacon, be sure to test. If you run high, you can be sure it's the bread and not the eggs and bacon.
Keep us posted, Brenda. You're doing fine. :-)
 Signature Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5
> Thanks for replying, Michelle. I do think my eating habits are one of my > major points of concern that is going to have to change. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Brenda Ozgirl - 15 May 2008 00:36 GMT Brebda,
For a start.. 2 meals a day is not good for diabetics. Carbs need to be spread out over the day. Eat all your carbs in two meals and you will have ridicuously high bg's. Second, you are not changing your diet, it is still carb-based. 3rd, carbs at breakfast is pretty well disastrous for most type 2's. That's whe we are most carb sensitive.
Base your meals around animal protein and low starch vegetables and then add a little carb to each meal to see how it affects you. Starty at around 10 gr carb. Make those carbs high fibre (i.e. scrap the hash browns!)
> These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with > Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Brenda Brenda - 15 May 2008 00:48 GMT I'm beginning to see daylight I think..... I have completely gone about this the wrong way completely. Will do some reading tonite on links provided previously to see if something will sink in. Hope you all won't mind some more idiotic questions tomorrow?
Thanks so much!
Brebda,
For a start.. 2 meals a day is not good for diabetics. Carbs need to be spread out over the day. Eat all your carbs in two meals and you will have ridicuously high bg's. Second, you are not changing your diet, it is still carb-based. 3rd, carbs at breakfast is pretty well disastrous for most type 2's. That's whe we are most carb sensitive.
Base your meals around animal protein and low starch vegetables and then add a little carb to each meal to see how it affects you. Starty at around 10 gr carb. Make those carbs high fibre (i.e. scrap the hash browns!)
Brenda wrote:
> These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with > Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Brenda BlueBrooke - 15 May 2008 03:11 GMT >I'm beginning to see daylight I think..... I have completely gone about this >the wrong way completely. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks so much! Hi, Brenda --
I know several books have been recommended to you -- definitely buy them. They are a great investment and while there might be a lot in them that's confusing or might not seem to apply to you, they are great to have around for those, "Hey! Didn't I read something about that somewhere?" moments.
I was always leaving my meter at home -- it was quite frustrating. I now have several, including one that stays in my purse. Especially right now, when you're trying to get things figured out, it's really important that you get those readings. Later, after things settle down and you have a better idea of what different foods are going to do, you won't need to test so much. But for the time being, make sure you get those numbers.
You're already getting some great advice from the trenches, and I don't have much to add to that. What I did want to say is not to be too hard on yourself. Just the fact that you're here and posting shows you aren't going about anything the "wrong way." If I remember right, your first post was just a few days ago. "Rome wasn't built in a day. . ." and all that --
I've only been here three or four years, but I can tell you that the people who showed up thinking they knew all the answers right off the bat didn't know the questions in the first place. You're doing just fine -- so keep posting. And, I know it's tough, but try to take a deep breath and relax. I'm sure you're going to do just fine -- and probably sooner than you might think.
Good luck!
Alan S - 15 May 2008 05:05 GMT >I'm beginning to see daylight I think..... I have completely gone about this >the wrong way completely. >Will do some reading tonite on links provided previously to see if something >will sink in. Add this one: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/test-review-adjust.html
And re-read this one: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Ozgirl - 15 May 2008 08:20 GMT > I'm beginning to see daylight I think..... I have completely gone > about this the wrong way completely. > Will do some reading tonite on links provided previously to see if > something will sink in. > Hope you all won't mind some more idiotic questions tomorrow? If you don't ask questions you won't learn.
Nicky - 15 May 2008 08:41 GMT >Hope you all won't mind some more idiotic questions tomorrow? Absolutely not : ) Keep 'em coming. Are you keeping a graph of your bgs? I found that really motivating to watch them coming down.
Right now, btw, testing before and after a meal lets you work out exactly what the meal's effect was. In a few weeks, maybe sooner, your before-meal readings will all be in the normal range, and you can drop that test.
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Nick Cramer - 15 May 2008 09:14 GMT > I'm beginning to see daylight I think..... I have completely gone about > this the wrong way completely. > Will do some reading tonite on links provided previously to see if > something will sink in. > Hope you all won't mind some more idiotic questions tomorrow? There are no idiotic questions, Brenda. You might get a few idiotic answers, though! Killfile works well for that.
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Nick Cramer - 15 May 2008 08:48 GMT > These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with = > Splenda. Should I also count that? I do drink lots of tea during the = [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > anyone point me in the right direction of actual menu type items to = > prepare? Thanks Hi Brenda,
How much oatmeal? I love pinhead oatmeal, but can't take much carbs at breakfast. Usually bacon, eggs and a slice of fried tomato. When my fasting number is real low (below 70) I'll add half a slice of buttered whole grain toast. When I have the oatmeal (usually in the afternoon, I'll cook up 1/4 cup of it with a cup of water and slow boil or nuke it 'til it's nice and soft. I then put a big blob of butter on it, drop on a raw egg and stir. Both the fat and the protein slow the rate at which the carbs are absorbed. Besides, it tastes good. I don't get them every day (I should), but make sure you're getting enough green vegetables, too. HTH
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Robert Miles - 16 May 2008 13:50 GMT > These are my statistics for today.....besides my iced tea made with > Splenda. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 1 hour PP for dinner was 239 > 2 hour PP for dinner was
> We only eat 2 meals/day in my home due to our schedules/lifestyle. I > have > been eating a slice of cheese with a cracker around 10 PM. Dividing the same amount of food into 3 or more meals a day helps reduce your peak bG.
> I know this is probably way too many carbs for 1 day....most of them > coming [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the > right direction of actual menu type items to prepare? Thanks
> Brenda Has anyone given you these web sites yet?
http://lowcarbcookworx.com/
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
Note that discussion of such food types often appears in newsgroup:
alt.food.diabetic
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