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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / June 2008New to the group
Hello, My name is Christine and I just joined. I am a Registered Dietitian and Diabetes Educator. I became very interested in Diabetes when my father was diagnosed with Type 2 several years ago. It looks like you cover a good variety of diabetes topics. I hope I can add to your group by answering questions to help support the day to day management of diabetes. Christine > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Christine I have a question: Why to dieticians recommend that T2 diabetics eat so many carbs. T2 is the bodies carb metabolism gone awry (amongst other things). If I ate the recommended diet I was given by the dietician/diabetes educator I saw, I would be on meds right now. As it is, I have been taken off all diabetes medicines, have a current A1c of 5.7, eat a balanced, healthy diet and am probably in the best shape of my life. My endocrinologist has said she'd like to package me and give me to her other patients. My answer to her was simple: Tell them to eat less carbs and get more exercise. John C. >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Christine Repeating from m.h.d. Welcome. I look forward to our future discussions. It will be great to have a qualified person to bounce our ideas off. I do hope you enjoy spirited debate, and don't become easily offended. Be aware that we can be a wary bunch; we do see all types here. Real - and unreal. So, nothing personal, but we tend to ask people who claim to have qualifications for some support for that. Of course, you don't have to do anything; just letting you know what will be coming along. I also hope that you are aware of the nature of usenet and can filter out the spam, kooks, twits and other junk and still glean the pearls of wisdom that can be found here. While you wait for the others you'll get some idea of my personal views on diabetes diet here: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/diabetes-authorities.html I would be interested in a qualified opinion on that. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself; others here may hold different views. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Christine Welcome, Christine, thanks for your interest. More than likely, we'll be able to answer many questions for you, and to provide citations from the relevent peer reviewed literature. Susan Piggybacking on my own post, here are the two links that I believe are the most reliable and helpful for diabetics seeking to understand and control their disease: www.phlaunt.com/diabetes and: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > More than likely, we'll be able to answer many questions for you, and > to provide citations from the relevent peer reviewed literature. Not to mention the vast personal experience. I had the pleasure of reading an Australian Diabetes magazine this morning and the featured dinner was Mother's Day dinner - total dinner with starters and dessert for the diabetic mum was 100 gr carb! Not to mention in another part of the mag where it is recommended to eat lots of wholegrains because Metformin robs a type 2 of B12. Hello, a bit of brewer's yeast a day does the same and better. As I say often, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. > Not to mention the vast personal experience. I had the pleasure of reading > an Australian Diabetes magazine this morning and the featured dinner was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > type 2 of B12. Hello, a bit of brewer's yeast a day does the same and > better. As I say often, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. I can't figure out why the diabetic associations recommend *any* grains, and say they're high in fiber. They're loaded with oxidants, calories and carbs. Substituting veggies and fruits gives you loads of anti oxidants, more fiber and nutrients, with far fewer calories. DOH. B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores have a source or an absorption problem. Of course, if you're eating an ADA recommended diet, you're going to have huge nutritional deficits. Susan >B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores have >a source or an absorption problem. I might be mis-reading or misconstruing your statement, but I just wanted to throw in that I was diagnosed with a B12 deficiency many years ago. The first thing the doctor asked me was if I was a vegetarian. When I told him "no" he said it was an absorption problem and I needed monthly shots. As soon as I started getting them, I did feel better, but only did it for a year or so. Before that, I was pretty sick. I think they called it "pernicious anemia" or something like that. If this doesn't apply to your point, just ignore it. >>B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores have >>a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > If this doesn't apply to your point, just ignore it. My grandma had that. She wasn't a vegetarian. >>> B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores >>> have a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > My grandma had that. She wasn't a vegetarian. My father had it and could have been the ADA poster boy with regard to diet. I thought it was a lifetime thing, he had the regular B12 shots. >>>> B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores >>>> have a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >My father had it and could have been the ADA poster boy with regard to diet. >I thought it was a lifetime thing, he had the regular B12 shots. Yes, apparently it is a lifetime thing. I just couldn't afford the shots anymore. > Yes, apparently it is a lifetime thing. I just couldn't afford the > shots anymore. I used to inject myself with prescribed B12; it was $4 for a vial of 10 shots and the syringes were about $23 for 100. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Susan Thank you for the welcome. Natural B12 food sources come from animal products such as meat, dairy products and eggs. So, a strict vegetarian (vegan) who eliminates all animal products will need to look for plant based foods that are fortified with vitamin B12 such as fortified soy milk OR take a B12 vitamin supplement. For those who take in adequate vitamin B12, it is still possible to be deficient if you lack an intrinsic factor to aid in absorption. This factor is required to move B12 into the blood stream from the intestine. If you lack this factor, B12 shots are necessary to bypass the intestine and ensure vitamin B12 is absorbed. Christine >For those who take in adequate vitamin B12, it is still possible to be >deficient if you lack an intrinsic factor >to aid in absorption. This factor is required to move B12 into the >blood stream from the intestine. If you lack this factor, B12 shots >are necessary to bypass the intestine and ensure vitamin B12 is >absorbed. Christine, is there anything you can injest that might aid absorption? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 In article <96791f11-eddf-4224-a35e-499f0111ee18 @l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, DiabetesDietitian@gmail.com says... > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Christine I also read that since B12 is water soluble, someone with low levels (common with age) could take mega doses of B12. Even if only a small percentage is absorbed, the excess is simply secreted. This does not work for all. However, it is useful for those who have low, but not critically low B12 levels. Dose ranges I saw were 1,000 mg to 2,500 mg orally per day. Dennis > I also read that since B12 is water soluble, someone with low levels > (common with age) could take mega doses of B12. Even if only a small [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think that was sublingual, not necessarily oral, that compared favorably, by avoiding the digestive tract. Susan > > Yes, apparently it is a lifetime thing. I just couldn't afford the > > shots anymore. > > I used to inject myself with prescribed B12; it was $4 for a vial of 10 > shots and the syringes were about $23 for 100. Thanks, Susan. I'll have to ask the doc about prescribing B12 for me. I've got a zillion syringes from when I was shooting insulin.  SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ > On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" > >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > >>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 21:23:14 -0400, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> > >>>> B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores > >>>> have a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yes, apparently it is a lifetime thing. I just couldn't afford the > shots anymore. Yep. I'm not a vegetarian. I eat a lot of beef, fish, pork, chicken, Lamb, etc. My diabetician wanted me to come in for B12 shot every month, said my 2,000 mcg of pills a day wasn't enough. Oh. well. ;-( SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" >> >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Yep. I'm not a vegetarian. I eat a lot of beef, fish, pork, chicken, Lamb, Yum! Lamb chops and lamb crown roasts are MY favourite vegetable! >etc. My diabetician wanted me to come in for B12 shot every month, said my >2,000 mcg of pills a day wasn't enough. Oh. well. ;-( Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you > >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" > >> >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yum! Lamb chops and lamb crown roasts are MY favourite vegetable! I love to smoke (BBQ) lamb shoulder, leg or chops. My favorite, too. Do you also like Haggis, Neeps and Tatties (in moderation, of course) and Single Malt Scotch? The latter is always available here. The others on January 25th. Slainte! SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ On May 15, 5:26 am, Nick Cramer > I love to smoke (BBQ) lamb shoulder, leg or chops. Doesn't that make you cough? John C. > On May 15, 5:26=A0am, Nick Cramer > > > I love to smoke (BBQ) lamb shoulder, leg or chops. > > Doesn't that make you cough? Tsk tsk. I don't do that anymore. ;-) SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" >> >> >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I love to smoke (BBQ) lamb shoulder, leg or chops. My favorite, too. Do you >also like Haggis, It's OK. Nothing to write home about. I eat it about once per year, when I visit the Scottish Pavilion at a local multicultural festival called "Mosaic". > Neeps and Tatties (in moderation, of course) No idea what those are. > and Single Malt Scotch? I cannot abide the flavour of Scotch; any kind of Scotch. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you > >> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" > >> >> >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > when I visit the Scottish Pavilion at a local multicultural festival > called "Mosaic". I eat it once a year, when I can get it. Burns Night, Jan 25th. > > Neeps and Tatties (in moderation, of course) > > No idea what those are. Turnips and potatoes, boiled, then mashed separately with lots of butter. > > and Single Malt Scotch? > > I cannot abide the flavour of Scotch; any kind of Scotch. That's what I thought when I was drinking cheap bar Scotch. Same with Brandy, until I discovered Robin-St. Germain.;-) Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> >> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:13:10 +1000, "Ozgirl" >> >> >> >> "BlueBrooke" <me@invalid.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >That's what I thought when I was drinking cheap bar Scotch. Same with >Brandy, until I discovered Robin-St. Germain.;-) I was given a drink of what a friend called the best Scotch available. It was ridiculously expensive, and very old. I can't remember the name of it. I have probably blocked the memory of it in a fit of mental self--preservation. I still gagged on it. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>> >I love to smoke (BBQ) lamb shoulder, leg or chops. My favorite, too. Do >>> >you also like Haggis, >>> >>> It's OK. Nothing to write home about. I eat it about once per year, >>> when I visit the Scottish Pavilion at a local multicultural festival >>> called "Mosaic". While I have never had haggis, when I was a child I had a slice of Scottish Xmas cake. Instead of icing it had a cinnamon flavoured pastry crust. Thought it was rather special at the time. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > ... I'm not a vegetarian. I eat a lot of beef, fish, pork, chicken, Lamb, > etc. My diabetician wanted me to come in for B12 shot every month, said my > 2,000 mcg of pills a day wasn't enough. Oh. well. ;-( A medical condition? Or too much alcohol? :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > > ... I'm not a vegetarian. I eat a lot of beef, fish, pork, chicken, > > Lamb, etc. My diabetician wanted me to come in for B12 shot every > > month, said my 2,000 mcg of pills a day wasn't enough. Oh. well. ;-( > > A medical condition? Or too much alcohol? :-) Probably the latter, although as Mark Twain observed, "Too much of anything is not good, but too much of whiskey is barely enough!" SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ On 5/14/08 1:13 AM, in article 68vl96F2tkb34U1@mid.individual.net, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: >>>> B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores >>>> have a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > My father had it and could have been the ADA poster boy with regard to diet. > I thought it was a lifetime thing, he had the regular B12 shots. My mother was treated for pernicious anaemia as a teenager. Doctor said it was common in that age group. Who knows. Mother would be over a hundred now if she were still alive. She told me the treatment was to eat raw liver! She said she wouldn't eat it unless my grandmother dipped it boiling water for a couple of minutes. Ugh. In her 50's she again had trouble and she was on B12 shots for awhile and then the problem cleared up. I guess it depends "on your genes". SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > I might be mis-reading or misconstruing your statement, but I just > wanted to throw in that I was diagnosed with a B12 deficiency many [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If this doesn't apply to your point, just ignore it. I didn't mean that non vegetarians never get pernicious anemia, only that it's epidemic among vegetarians due to source problems. Susan >I didn't mean that non vegetarians never get pernicious anemia, only >that it's epidemic among vegetarians due to source problems. > >Susan Ah -- got it. Thanks. >>B12 deficiency is epidemic in vegetarians. I don't think omnivores have >>a source or an absorption problem. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >If this doesn't apply to your point, just ignore it. Yes mother gets that, in her case it was due to having part of her intestine removed but there are other reasons for malabsorbtion. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > can add to your group by answering questions to help support the day > to day management of diabetes. Welcome to the group! >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >can add to your group by answering questions to help support the day >to day management of diabetes. I'm sure we can help you a lot too : ) Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Welcome Christine. We are a proactive bunch here and don't accept everything given to us because it comes from a professional. We question, we experiment, we research and we share information. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Christine > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Christine Welcome :-) Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > can add to your group by answering questions to help support the day > to day management of diabetes. Hi Christine. Welcome to the group. I take it you're not a Club member. The rules are simple. Just jump in when you have something to say. ;-) SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
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