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Grandpa Chuck - 12 May 2008 19:29 GMT How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? Why?
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Susan - 12 May 2008 19:36 GMT > How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? > Why? Not I. Terrible, awful information and advice that serves only the big corporate sponsors of the ADA who push drugs, sugars and starches on diabetics, ignoring all the good science about metabolism, nutrition and glucose control.
If the new president has the integrity he's shown evidence of in the past, standing up to intimidation attempts by Glaxo Smith-Kline, then maybe one day I'll feel different.
Susan
Ben Skversky - 12 May 2008 23:52 GMT I used to subcribe, but I never found they helped me very much.
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Susan Trinkwasser - 14 May 2008 20:29 GMT >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >past, standing up to intimidation attempts by Glaxo Smith-Kline, then >maybe one day I'll feel different. Don't hold your breath - but I've seen some quite impressive stuff from John Buse.
Meanwhile if you look some of the more notorious high carb sponsors are no longer on the list. And it looks like he cancelled the salaries of the trolls.
The Titanic is starting to veer away from the iceberg . . .
Alan S - 14 May 2008 23:27 GMT >>Not I. Terrible, awful information and advice that serves only the big >>corporate sponsors of the ADA who push drugs, sugars and starches on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Meanwhile if you look some of the more notorious high carb sponsors >are no longer on the list. Do you have a later list than this FY06 one? http://www.diabetes.org/support-the-cause/corporate-friends/Corporate-Recognition.jsp
>And it looks like he cancelled the salaries >of the trolls. I dare not mention names, it's been wonderful since I returned...
>The Titanic is starting to veer away from the iceberg . . . Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Trinkwasser - 16 May 2008 20:03 GMT >>>Not I. Terrible, awful information and advice that serves only the big >>>corporate sponsors of the ADA who push drugs, sugars and starches on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Do you have a later list than this FY06 one? >http://www.diabetes.org/support-the-cause/corporate-friends/Corporate-Recognition.jsp Off the top of my head I'm not sure. Can you see Kelloggs on there?
I may of course have been lying, a number of names have also now gone off the DUK list of sponsors and I may have got confused between the two.
>>And it looks like he cancelled the salaries >>of the trolls. >> >I dare not mention names, it's been wonderful since I >returned... They used his name twice, DO NOT use it again!
Alan S - 17 May 2008 02:03 GMT >>>>Not I. Terrible, awful information and advice that serves only the big >>>>corporate sponsors of the ADA who push drugs, sugars and starches on [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >off the DUK list of sponsors and I may have got confused between the >two. No Kellogs, but the top two groups are still highly loaded with pharmaceutical corporations and Cadbury Schweppes is still there:
Banting Circle Elite
Minimum Annual Support $1,000,000
* Baxter * Bayer HealthCare, Diagnostics Division * BD Medical Diabetes Care * * Eli Lilly and Company * * GlaxoSmithKline * Lifescan, Inc., a Johnson & Johnson Company * Merck & Co., Inc. * Novo Nordisk Inc. * * Pfizer Inc. * sanofi-aventis * Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc. *
Banting Circle
Minimum Annual Support $500,000
* Abbott Laboratories, Inc. * Abbott Laboratories, Ross Product Division * AstraZeneca LP * Bristol-Myers Squibb Company * * Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages * Gold's Gym International, Inc. * McNeil Nutritionals, LLC * Roche Diagnostics Corporation *
But, to be fair, that is FY06 and I can't find anything more recent.
>>>And it looks like he cancelled the salaries >>>of the trolls. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >They used his name twice, DO NOT use it again! :-))
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Trinkwasser - 17 May 2008 14:35 GMT >>>>>Not I. Terrible, awful information and advice that serves only the big >>>>>corporate sponsors of the ADA who push drugs, sugars and starches on [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >But, to be fair, that is FY06 and I can't find anything more >recent. I can recall looking at an old list and a newer list and finding some names missing but can't remember the details now.
On one of the more sensible sites (sorry can't remember which one now, I'm not helping much am I?) there was a note to the effect that Asslicker Kahn had had his a.s kicked after saying that diabetics should eat sugar and giving ADA Approved labels to some unsalubrious companies, and that there had been some withdrawals from sponsorship (not all voluntary!)
Every little helps . . . one also has to wonder if Gannon and Nuttall & co. might make a comeback under the New regime
>>>>And it looks like he cancelled the salaries >>>>of the trolls. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > :-)) Strange how they all left at once eh? Do you see them/their clones on any of the other sites you use?
Alan S - 18 May 2008 13:08 GMT >Strange how they all left at once eh? Do you see them/their clones on >any of the other sites you use? One is now Making Changes (his nick) on the ADA board. I have promised the moderator I will steer clear of him after some initial confrontations. He doesn't make direct comments on my posts any more, but he has a habit of occasionally following my posts to newbies with one of his own stressing exercise and the ADA newly diagnosed links. I can live with that and I refrain from reacting. That's the difficult part. He seems milder and less stressed. I think his departure from here was to his benefit as much as ours. I wish him well; but I still wish him elsewhere:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Trinkwasser - 18 May 2008 19:35 GMT >>Strange how they all left at once eh? Do you see them/their clones on >>any of the other sites you use? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >from here was to his benefit as much as ours. I wish him >well; but I still wish him elsewhere:-) So his chums haven't turned up yet to do the tag team trolling they were always accusing others of? That's a step . . .
Julie Bove - 12 May 2008 20:40 GMT > How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? > Why? What is it? A magazine? Newsletter? Obviously I don't subscribe...
Grandpa Chuck - 13 May 2008 01:11 GMT >> How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? >> Why? > >What is it? A magazine? Newsletter? Obviously I don't subscribe... They send a magazine on a regular basis. Like many magaizines there are a lot of advertisements. Supposedly their purpose to help we diabetics deal with our disease. I do know some people that have had dealings with them were not happy at all.
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Julie Bove - 13 May 2008 03:21 GMT >>> How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? >>> Why? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > diabetics deal with our disease. I do know some people that have had > dealings with them were not happy at all. Ah... I may have read them. My brother gets a couple of diabetes magazines. I know one is Diabetes Monitor. Don't remember the other one. I bought one diabetes magazine once because something on the cover looked interesting. Turns out it wasn't. Not at all.
My brother saved his magazines and gave me about 2 years of them all at once. I flipped through them all in a matter of about 2 hours and saw absolutely nothing of interest. Lots of ads, yes. And mainly fluff for articles.
bj - 12 May 2008 20:52 GMT > How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? > Why? Why do you care? What's your point? bj
Grandpa Chuck - 13 May 2008 04:57 GMT >> How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? >> Why? > >Why do you care? Curiosity
>What's your point? Wanting to know if it is worth the dues. Why do you ask?
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bj - 13 May 2008 18:53 GMT >>> How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? >>> Why? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Wanting to know if it is worth the dues. > Why do you ask? It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got the expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few years) that ADA just promotes bad eating & is generally useless. bj
Alan S - 13 May 2008 23:18 GMT >It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got the >expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few years) >that ADA just promotes bad eating & is generally useless. >bj That sounds like an aggrieved reply. Actually, that's not what I write; bad eating, yes, useless, definitely not. However, there are times when it becomes difficult to find the worthy needles in the haystack of ADA confusion. Just like a.s.d.
However, you imply that "that ADA just promotes bad eating & is generally useless" is an unfair position. Would you care to expand on that and give the counter position so that readers can get a balanced view?
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
W. Baker - 14 May 2008 00:33 GMT : >It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got the : >expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few years) : >that ADA just promotes bad eating & is generally useless. : >bj
: That sounds like an aggrieved reply. Actually, that's not : what I write; bad eating, yes, useless, definitely not. : However, there are times when it becomes difficult to find : the worthy needles in the haystack of ADA confusion. Just : like a.s.d.
: However, you imply that "that ADA just promotes bad eating & : is generally useless" is an unfair position. Would you care : to expand on that and give the counter position so that : readers can get a balanced view?
: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. The ADA does a number of very valuable things including political action to get laws and regularions that help diabetics, pressure Congress foor research funds and they run an annual conference that my Endo attends whichis full of important papers on diabetes developments, etc. they also fund research. what seems to be the weak spot is the advice they give to lay diabetics, wiich my own endo disagrees with and says that it just moves very slowly and has many individuals adn bureaucrats who have to be dealt with in any changes it might make or even want to make.
Wendy
bj - 14 May 2008 02:27 GMT >>It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got >>the expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few years) >>that ADA just promotes bad eating & is generally useless. >>bj
> However, you imply that "that ADA just promotes bad eating & > is generally useless" is an unfair position. Would you care > to expand on that and give the counter position so that > readers can get a balanced view? *I* didn't say that about ADA, but the impression that I get here from comments I've seen over the past several years -- no, no stats, it's an *impression* -- is that that seems to be the prevailing view.
Asking "how many subscribe to ADA" seems to be inviting the "why would *anyone* do that, they don't do anything useful & just tell diabetics to eat too many carbs" response.
That was *my* reaction to the original question. Several of the responses seem to have gotten the type of response I thought the OP was looking for. bj
Grandpa Chuck - 14 May 2008 03:53 GMT >>>It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got >>>the expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few years) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >*anyone* do that, they don't do anything useful & just tell diabetics to eat >too many carbs" response. I asked the question our of an honest desire to know just how many people here subscribe and how many don't and also wanted to know why to either view.
>That was *my* reaction to the original question. >Several of the responses seem to have gotten the type >of response I thought the OP was looking for. >bj >  Signature Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~
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Julie Bove - 14 May 2008 04:31 GMT >>>>It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got >>>>the expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > people here subscribe and how many don't and also wanted to know why > to either view. I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe Kurt. Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA.
bj - 14 May 2008 17:03 GMT > I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe Kurt. > Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA. At the risk of getting a chorus of "geez how dumb can you be", I'll say that I do subscribe/belong/whatever you want to call it. I get the magazine & even <gasp!> read a lot of the articles. bj
Ozgirl - 15 May 2008 00:00 GMT >> I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe >> Kurt. Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the magazine & even <gasp!> read a lot of the articles. > bj Hey, I have a current Australian diabetic magazine and apart from the recipes and meal plans there are some interesting articles.
Cheri - 15 May 2008 00:06 GMT >>> I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe >>> Kurt. Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Hey, I have a current Australian diabetic magazine and apart from the >recipes and meal plans there are some interesting articles. I don't have a thing against the magazines, other than the recipes and meal plans.
Cheri
Alan S - 15 May 2008 05:00 GMT >> I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe Kurt. >> Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >even <gasp!> read a lot of the articles. >bj Hi bj
Possibly you weren't here when I first wrote what follows. It clarifies my own position on this. Eventually I repeated this as a blog entry.
I'll repeat two sections in advance to highlight them:
"To be clear, I think that both DA and the American Diabetes Association are marvellous, worthy organisations doing sterling work for diabetics in both countries. My only disagreement is specifically to do with their dietary and testing guidelines." and: "I am eternally grateful for the work the pioneers at Diabetes Australia did in helping us get the NDSS and the support system that we now have. The organisation continues to do a great job."
Just for accuracy, note that I now take 1500mg metformin.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/diabetes-authorities.html What follows is a copy of a letter I wrote a couple of years ago to the Editor of Conquest, the Diabetes Australia (DA) quarterly magazine. Since then, nothing has changed - so I'll repeat it as sent. Because my opinion hasn't changed either. For accuracy, I will note that I have added 1000mg metformin daily since writing the letter, so I can no longer claim to "take no diabetes medications". But that doesn't change the thrust of my argument.
To be clear, I think that both DA and the American Diabetes Association are marvellous, worthy organisations doing sterling work for diabetics in both countries. My only disagreement is specifically to do with their dietary and testing guidelines. The dietary advice and guidelines promoted by DA is effectively a rubber-stamp of that issued by the ADA; so the same comments apply to both.
I never received a reply.
Here is the letter:
'I am eternally grateful for the work the pioneers at Diabetes Australia did in helping us get the NDSS and the support system that we now have. The organisation continues to do a great job. But I have a basic difficulty with the logic of the dietary advice recommended by your dieticians.
I see their advice like this: 1. Dieticians advise high complex carbohydrate consumption, apparently for heart, kidney and vascular health; 2. High complex carbohydrate consumption causes high blood glucose levels; 3. High blood glucose levels cause diabetic complications such as retinopathy, neuropathy, nephropathy and heart disease; 4. DA dieticians therefore recommend balancing the high complex carbohydrate consumption with medication or insulin to control blood glucose levels. This advice appears to be in line with the recommendations of overseas organisations such as the American Diabetes Association (ADA).
Specific examples can be found on the DA web-site at http://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/multilingualdiabetes/healthpros/FoodNut/heal thy.htm or the ADA web-site at http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/starches.jsp
My difficulty in understanding this is because no-one seems to be investigating the alternative approaches. I don't mean herbs and supplements, just a better diet for diabetics, together with exercise, to enable minimal medication.
To me, the most obvious alternative is to search for a diet for the diabetic which provides adequate nutrition for good health but does not cause high blood glucose levels. If such a diet is possible it would minimise the need for medication, particularly for type 2, with side benefits for overall health and health costs. I can attest that it is possible; I've done it, as have many others. However, when diabetics write to give examples, such as K ...... in the Autumn issue, they are dismissed and told that their improvement must be because of exercise, or weight loss, or some other factor.
The method I followed, as a type 2, was simple. I started with a standard, sensible diet to lose weight. Then, as I followed that diet, I tested everything I ate one hour and two hours after I ate it. If I consistently found that something led to high blood glucose, I changed it. Sometimes I changed the food, sometimes the quantity, sometimes the timing, but always the aim was to minimise "spikes". Gradually I found I was eating significantly less carbohydrates, a little more protein and a little more "good" oils. And I did a little "lazy man's" exercise along the way. I also gradually reduced the high level of initial testing as results became predictable.
After attaining a degree of control over my blood glucose, I now progressively review my diet to ensure there are no missing nutritional requirements and to further improve lipids etc. At diagnosis in 2002 my HbA1c was 8.2, now it's 5.9 and I take no diabetes medications. It's a long time since I've seen a "spike" over 8, rarely over 7.5. The improvements continued long after I reached my target weight. And my heart, blood pressure, lipids, kidneys and so on are also in good shape.
Why do your dieticians continue to promote high carbohydrate consumption? What is it I'm missing, apart from complications?'
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Nicky - 15 May 2008 08:27 GMT >"To be clear, I think that both DA and the American Diabetes >Association are marvellous, worthy organisations doing >sterling work for diabetics in both countries. My only >disagreement is specifically to do with their dietary and >testing guidelines." I'm not a member of Diabetes UK - but I do sit on the local fundraising committee, in order to steer funds towards research and away from the truly stupid dietary advice. I and my kids fundraise regularly, and I run the local website. I also sit on their national research advisory panel as a patient representative.
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Alan S - 15 May 2008 11:00 GMT >>"To be clear, I think that both DA and the American Diabetes >>Association are marvellous, worthy organisations doing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I've watched as you progressed through the various activities and stages to become what you are as an advocate today, including your occasional media interviews. I was impressed when you started that journey, but you keep surprising me with new achievements.
You're a beacon shining a light to lead others Nicky; don't let anyone try to extinguish that flame.
Unfortunately none of the authorities here take a blind bit of notice of my voice in the wilderness; time you visited your relatives and I'll shanghai you down to the Diabetes Australia headquarters and use you to beat on their door:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Nicky - 15 May 2008 13:12 GMT >Unfortunately none of the authorities here take a blind bit >of notice of my voice in the wilderness; time you visited >your relatives and I'll shanghai you down to the Diabetes >Australia headquarters and use you to beat on their door:-) Nobody listens to me, per se, either - I've just discovered how to undermine DUK from within - very slooooooowly..... Even when I'm the focus of a magazine article, I'm there as a "representative" diabetic; there's frequently a representative medico, or at the least a DUK side-bar, that puts the mainstream POV too. At least mine is out there... as your blog is.
Talking of which - the NHS has had a pilot of a diabetic user blog running for a while. As the site is now being picked up on Google, it looks like it's public : ) http://talk.nhs.uk/blogs/default.aspx?GroupID=2
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Alan S - 16 May 2008 00:14 GMT >>Unfortunately none of the authorities here take a blind bit >>of notice of my voice in the wilderness; time you visited [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Thanks. More reading to do when I get time.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Trinkwasser - 17 May 2008 14:41 GMT >>Unfortunately none of the authorities here take a blind bit >>of notice of my voice in the wilderness; time you visited [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >looks like it's public : ) >http://talk.nhs.uk/blogs/default.aspx?GroupID=2 Oh that's bloody useful, the software seems to run a lot better than the previous url but all the replies are missing . . .
CasparAremi - 19 May 2008 19:07 GMT >Oh that's bloody useful, the software seems to run a lot better than >the previous url but all the replies are missing . . . Hi Trinkwasser, All the posts were manually copied and pasted into the new system, unfortunately with comments it's more complicated. With a limited number of authors it was easy to use their username and default password (before they were allowed to log in and change it) but with comments, there are lots of guets who are not blog authors and it would be impossible to log in as them all (trust me, I tried!).
Trinkwasser - 20 May 2008 19:09 GMT >>Oh that's bloody useful, the software seems to run a lot better than >>the previous url but all the replies are missing . . . [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >guets who are not blog authors and it would be impossible to log in as them >all (trust me, I tried!). Pity, the comments were some of the most useful stuff!
Still available on the old Typepad site, perhaps I shall do a site download so I have them archived.
Grandpa Chuck - 14 May 2008 17:54 GMT >>>>>It seemed like a setup question, and judging by most of the replies got >>>>>the expected response (going by numerous comments over the past few [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >I can't imagine anyone here who would subscribe to that except maybe Kurt. >Gee where has he been? Most here are rather anti ADA. So are the people in our local diabetes support group. About a year ago I contacted the ADA representative in this area and asked her if she would come to our meeting and talk to us about the ADA and tell us about its goals, etc. She said her only job, and she covers at least one third of Iowa, is to raise money for the ADA. Further she said she is not a diabetic and doesn't really understand diabetes. I think that kind of said it all.
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Wes Groleau - 15 May 2008 04:06 GMT > I asked the question our of an honest desire to know just how many > people here subscribe and how many don't and also wanted to know why > to either view. The bad news is that much of the advice they give is poor advice for most diabetics. The good news is that the same advice is a healthier diet than most Americans get.
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Johnnie McCoy - 12 May 2008 23:34 GMT > How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? > Why? I don't subscribe, but not because I don't think they have anything to offer. Lacking other sources of information, as many diabetics are, the ADA is "far better than nothing," in which case, they have to be considered valuable to the diabetic community - something is better than nothing - and whether we want to admit it, or not, there are diabetics who are following ADA guidelines with excellent results. Luckily, many of us have found other sources of information, such as ASD, and similar newsgroups, websites, competent medical professionals, etc., that are more effective for us "as individuals" and allow us to tailor our treatment methods in ways that work best for us, again, "as individuals." Good for us! I am one of them.
So... the reason I don't subscribe is that they have nothing for me, personally. see - http://www.digitalbirdcrap.com/pyramid.html
John
Cheri - 13 May 2008 00:16 GMT Johnnie McCoy wrote in message ...
>valuable to the diabetic community - something is better than nothing - and >whether we want to admit it, or not, there are diabetics who are following >ADA guidelines with excellent results. I'm sure that's true John, I just don't know any of them personally. That's a fact. :-)
Cheri
Johnnie McCoy - 13 May 2008 00:42 GMT > Johnnie McCoy wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheri Neither do I, although a few in here have made that claim.
John
Susan - 13 May 2008 00:57 GMT > Neither do I, although a few in here have made that claim. > > John Actually, only one that I can think of, and over four years after diagnosis he was still morbidly obese, in too much pain to walk.
Susan
Alan S - 13 May 2008 03:39 GMT > - and >whether we want to admit it, or not, there are diabetics who are following >ADA guidelines with excellent results. There are type 2's doing that?
I'm waiting to see them post.
Anywhere. Including the ADA forum.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Julie Bove - 13 May 2008 05:05 GMT >> - and >>whether we want to admit it, or not, there are diabetics who are following [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anywhere. Including the ADA forum. The thing is, what they consider to be excellent results may not be what we consider to be excellent results. I am thinking of the diabetes support group I went to in CA. One woman took no responsibility for her diet whatever. She was elderly and lived with a younger woman who did all of her cooking. She didn't test her BG and said her Dr. told her she was doing great! Then some years went by. I moved away from the area but was still in contact. She turned to me because all of a sudden her Dr. said her BG wasn't in control and she didn't know what to do about it.
Another woman thought she was doing well because she ate brown rice. She was upset because she couldn't get her type 2 husband to eat the brown rice. I don't know if she tested her BG or not. This was a question we were not allowed to ask and we only knew if the person volunteered the information.
Another man who was quite overweight, thought he was doing great because he had lost a lot of weight. He tested only first thing in the morning and said he ate "sensible" meals. Another type 2 (insulin user and carb phobe) went to Denny's for breakfast with him and was appalled to see that he ordered one of the Slam breakfasts. Don't know if you are familiar with those or not, but they are huge! And laden with carbs like hash browns and pancakes.
I know of another women who was not in that group who thought she was doing well. I think she only tested occasionally before meals. She told me about a great meal she had at a local fast food place. Breaded chicken patty on a bun with honey mustard. She also ate a lot of carby Thai food that our neighbor made. Egg rolls, fritters, and sticky rice. She would sometimes try to eat what I ate because at the time I had good control. But we all know it doesn't necessarily work to copy what another person is doing.
Alan S - 13 May 2008 05:52 GMT >>> - and >>>whether we want to admit it, or not, there are diabetics who are following [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >try to eat what I ate because at the time I had good control. But we all >know it doesn't necessarily work to copy what another person is doing. Yep. All too true and I could give similar examples from the period when I attended our own local support group.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Alan S - 13 May 2008 00:56 GMT >How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? >Why? Presumably you mean to the organisation as a diabetic. I don't, nor do I subscribe to my local version, Diabetes Australia.
I used to, but I eventually got too frustrated at the advice I read in their quarterly magazines. After writing several "letters to the editor" without success I quit.
I DO subscribe to the ADA forums. At least there I can present a different viewpoint publicly in a more widely-read arena than usenet.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Chris Malcolm - 15 May 2008 11:08 GMT > How many subscribe to American Diabetes Association? > Why? Note that when searching the web for diabetic information it's much easier to find the ADA website than it is to find this newsgroup. The diabetics who persist in their searching and eventually turn up here are liable to be those who find that the information supplied by the ADA was at best unhelpful.
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