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Janie - 09 May 2008 23:51 GMT Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it possible to be able to eat sugar again? I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary treats now. Janie
Julie Bove - 09 May 2008 23:58 GMT > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. Diabetics *can* eat sugar. It all boils down to how much won't spike your BG and that might be just half a bite. Of course if you are having a hypo, you NEED to eat sugar.
I do not personally think anyone can reverse diabetes. I have seen books that say that. You can *control* diabetes. But you'll never be able to go back to your old way of eating and keep your BG in control.
BTW, I didn't eat sugary stuff prior to diabetes. I did eat a lot of beans and rice though.
Michelle C - 10 May 2008 02:32 GMT Depends on how much beta cell function you have lost. It might be possible to "appear" non-diabetic, but if you revert to previous eating habits, it will still show in your BG results. For example, I am of normal weight (always have been), but if I eat carby foods, my BG spikes. If I stick to the foods that are okay for me, my BGs look mostly normal.
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> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. > Janie Trinkwasser - 11 May 2008 22:44 GMT >Depends on how much beta cell function you have lost. It might be possible >to "appear" non-diabetic, but if you revert to previous eating habits, it >will still show in your BG results. For example, I am of normal weight >(always have been), but if I eat carby foods, my BG spikes. If I stick to >the foods that are okay for me, my BGs look mostly normal. Diito. Plus my lipids have returned to normal as has my blood pressure (OK I also take medications), my peripheral neuropathy has mostly gone away, I only have to piss once per night, and I lost the weight I;d put on
thanks to the kind folks here
BUT
I can throw all this away just by eating a Healthy Wholegrain breakfast with orange juice, let alone anything worse
Lerp - 10 May 2008 02:43 GMT > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. > Janie It can be controlled, but not altogether reversed. You will find that your sugar levels will soar if you eat something loaded with carbs like a big dish of pasta, lots of cake, etc. I have lost nearly 50 pounds and now I am 6'1 and weigh 186...I tolerate carbs very well and I am well controlled, however, I will spike right now if I eat the wrong foods or wrong portion sizes.
guys@consolidated.net - 10 May 2008 04:02 GMT >Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight >loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it >possible to be able to eat sugar again? >I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary >treats now. >Janie If reversal means cure, forget it.
We can reduce the negative effects of diabetes, usually greatly.
Just do not listen to faddists. These people decide they have answers but exhibit no facts. Unfortunately they are adamant in their views.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 10 May 2008 04:32 GMT convicted friend g...@consolidated.net wrote:
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> >Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > >loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If reversal means cure, forget it. Obes Surg. 2007 Nov;17(11):1421-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18219767
BACKGROUND: This report summarizes our 15-year experience with duodenal switch (DS) as a primary procedure on 1,423 patients from 1992 to 2005. METHODS: Within the last 2 years, follow-up of these patients, including clinical biochemistry evaluation by us or by their local physician is 97%. RESULTS: Survival rate was 92% after DS. The risk of death (Excess Hazard Ratio (EHR)) was 1.2, almost that of the general population. After a mean of 7.3 years (range 2-15), 92% of patients with an initial BMI < or = 50 kg/m2 obtained a BMI < 35 and 83% of those with an initial BMI > 50 obtained a BMI < 40. Diabetes was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and medication decreased in the others. The use of the CPAP apparatus was discontinued in 90%, medication for asthma was decreased in 88%, and the prevalence of a cardiac risk index > 5 was decreased by 86%. Patients' satisfaction in regard to weight loss was graded 3.6 on a basis of 5, and 95% of patients were satisfied with the overall results. Operative mortality was 1% which is comparable with gastric bypass surgery. The need for revision for malnutrition was rare (0.7%) and total reversal was exceptional (0.2%). Failure to lose > 25% of initial excess weight was 1.3%. Revision for failure to lose sufficient weight was needed in only 1.5%. Severe anemia, deficiency in vitamins or bone damage were exceptional, easily treatable, preventable and no permanent damage was documented. CONCLUSION: In the long-term, DS was very efficient in terms of cure rate for morbid obesity and its comorbidities. In terms of risk/benefit, DS was very sucessful with an appropriate system of follow-up.
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For emphasis:
"Diabetes was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and medication decreased in the others."
In our collective clinical experience, similar results are seen for type-2 diabetics that lose their VAT (black fat) by simply choosing to eat less, down to the right amount:
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Helen Back - 10 May 2008 10:48 GMT > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. > Janie I was talking to a lady on the bus the other day. I mentioned my diabetes in a topic on health and she said that a friend of hers had cured her diabetes. I said, there is no cure for diabetes, only such control that you can get non-diabetic bg numbers by good control.
I said its a bit like being a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. You may not being doing it anymore, but its still there and the moment you start abusing your body, back comes the indications of harm to the body.
Helen Back - 10 May 2008 11:02 GMT > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. > Janie If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes the continuing harm.
Janie - 10 May 2008 14:21 GMT > > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes > the continuing harm. Thanks,everyone. I am a bit concerned at how quickly my numbers spiked this last year. To me, spiked BG,doubled insulin and kidney infections tell my my diabetes is worsening. These kidney infections are driving me crazy. I am,to be honest,getting a little scared. We lost a family member to diabetes many years ago. She was Type 1 and totally rebelled during her teenage year,eating what she wanted and not controlling her BG. We lost her at age 26. Fact is,the only thing I can do is control my BG for the rest of my life. Janie
Robert Miles - 10 May 2008 16:11 GMT >> > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight >> > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > life. > Janie Infections of any kind tend to raise bG, so you may be in a vicious circle.
guys@consolidated.net - 10 May 2008 16:03 GMT >> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight >> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes >the continuing harm. Helen, it "ain't" that simple. As you read there is a touchy game with diabetes. Just when you start to feel good about yourself all hell can break lose.
We do the best we can with what we have and continue to learn.
We can never let down.
The ongoing careful living is necessary for your whole life.
When another illness is acquired, the diabetes will add to the problem.
As a long term diabetic I have to be very careful to reduce exposure to other problems. I have learned to walk away from hassles and to Relax.
I spent most of my life fighting the world and was successful. What did I end up with?
Just accept you problem and deal with it as best you can. Above all, learn to ignore the troublemakers and RELAX.
Cure seems to me to be a con job.
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Helen Back - 11 May 2008 09:40 GMT On 10 May, 16:03, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Cure seems to me to be a con job. Not wishing to offend (and I hope you respond to this because you dont normally respond to past comments made by myself in your posts!) - has my comments in this thread contradicted anything because your response implies so -unless I have completely missed your point?!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 11 May 2008 22:01 GMT convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
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> >> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > >> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > We do the best we can with what we have and continue to learn. It is becoming ever clearer that type-2 diabetes is an acquired medical problem caused by overeating.
We started learning this when it was shown that by eating less, new cases of type-2 diabetes can be prevented.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/346/6/393
"Our results support the hypothesis that type 2 diabetes can be prevented or delayed in persons at high risk for the disease. The incidence of diabetes was reduced by 58 percent with the lifestyle intervention and by 31 percent with metformin, as compared with placebo. These effects were similar in men and women and in all racial and ethnic groups. The intensive lifestyle intervention was at least as effective in older participants as it was in younger participants. The results of our study extend previous data showing that lifestyle interventions can reduce the incidence of diabetes and demonstrate the applicability of this finding to the ethnically and culturally diverse population of the United States. The risk reduction associated with the lifestyle intervention in our study was the same as that in a study conducted in Finland, and was higher than the reductions associated with diet (31 percent), exercise (46 percent), and diet plus exercise (42 percent) in a study in China."
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It remains much smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:
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Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Life in industrialized countries is essentially life in blessed feed lots.
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Wes Groleau - 10 May 2008 20:21 GMT > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary > treats now. Why do you want "to be able to eat sugar again" if you cringe at the sight of it?
As for diabetes--as you lose weight, the diabetic condition may be less severe, but will never be completely gone. Exercise and healthier foods also help. And please be aware that almost any food will raise blood sugar, some faster and higher than others. The trick is to find the ones that don't raise it enough to cause damage faster than you can heal.
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Priscilla Ballou - 10 May 2008 21:28 GMT In article <0043e146-a186-44ad-b53a-f2b177282dd4@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight > loss and diet? No. It is, however, possible to establish excellent control through treatment.
> If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it > possible to be able to eat sugar again? A type 2 diabetic can eat sugar. However, one is advised to exercise portion control.
Priscilla, T2
Janie - 10 May 2008 22:33 GMT > In article > <0043e146-a186-44ad-b53a-f2b177282...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Priscilla, T2 I can't touch ANYTHING with sugar in it. My BG goes through the roof. Janie
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