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The Only - 05 May 2008 18:22 GMT Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if you don't mind. I tried the Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich advertised on tv. It is a whole grain english muffin with a turkey sausage patty, a slice of american cheese and one egg white. Carbs are 30 grams with 2 grams fiber. Anyhow I tested about 1 hour after and was 177 mgdl. I freaked out. I was dx'd in Oct. '07 and am on 32 units of Lantus at bedtime. No oral meds due to liver damage. I need some encouragement 'cause in all honesty this disease is giving me a run for my money. I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough. I'm a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your help.. I love this group and lurk daily. OPE
Cheri - 05 May 2008 18:56 GMT The Only wrote in message <20488-481F426A-760@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>... Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if you don't mind. I tried the Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich advertised on tv. It is a whole grain english muffin with a turkey sausage patty, a slice of american cheese and one egg white. Carbs are 30 grams with 2 grams fiber. Anyhow I tested about 1 hour after and was 177 mgdl. I freaked out. I was dx'd in Oct. '07 and am on 32 units of Lantus at bedtime. No oral meds due to liver damage. I need some encouragement 'cause in all honesty this disease is giving me a run for my money. I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough. I'm a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your help.. I love this group and lurk daily. OPE ******** A lot of people, me included, can't have a lot of carbs in the morning without spiking. I usually have a couple of eggs (or if you prefer an egg white omelet) with a bit of chopped up ham, cheese, leftover veggies etc., stirred into it. Something like that works much better for me. Later in the day, I can handle carbs better without spiking, but your meter will tell you what and when you can handle best. Welcome, and best to you.
Cheri
Trinkwasser - 06 May 2008 20:49 GMT >The Only wrote in message ><20488-481F426A-760@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >but your meter will tell you what and when you can handle best. >Welcome, and best to you. Yup that's precisely twice as many carbs as I can handle for breakfast.
Anon aka - 05 May 2008 18:57 GMT > Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE . My granddaughter bought me some of those, they were ok but not as good as home made.
It is easy to fry up an egg, warm a piece of frozen/cooked sausage and put it on a toasted English muffin with a slice of cheese. Tastes 1000% better and costs a lot less too. The English muffins I get have a little over 50 carbs each. Using the light muffins would reduce the carbs. I inject 13 units of Novolog before eating, YMMV.
I'm a lazy old widower of 71. I don't exercise at all because of a bad back but I do test a lot. I'm a T2 but use insulin like a T1. This allows me to eat more carbs without high spikes. I know it would be better to eat lower carbs, more vegetables, etc., but I'm already 71, so what's the use. At this stage, quality of life is more important to me than quantity
Anon
Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 08:04 GMT > "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message [ . . . ]
> It is easy to fry up an egg, warm a piece of frozen/cooked sausage and > put it on a toasted English muffin with a slice of cheese. Tastes 1000% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > eat lower carbs, more vegetables, etc., but I'm already 71, so what's the > use. At this stage, quality of life is more important to me than quantity Damn, boy! You're only 71! Get a grip! By taking care of yourself, you can have both quality and quantity. Don't you want to enjoy your loving granddaughter and great grandkids. It's fun to be cuddled, asked questions, be told about vacations, school and parties, and laughed with and at! There are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the towel yet. Me neither!
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Alan S - 06 May 2008 10:17 GMT >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message >[ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the >towel yet. Me neither! Older folks? Speak for yourself!
Cheers, Alan (61yo), T2, Australia.
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 03:22 GMT > <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheers, Alan (61yo), T2, Australia. 'A lot of' doesn't mean 'all', Alan, does it? ;-D
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Jefferson - 06 May 2008 21:14 GMT >>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the > towel yet. Me neither! I agree that you can have both the quality and the quantity. I don't see the good life without both. I will be 73 before month's end.
Frank
Anon aka - 06 May 2008 21:52 GMT >>>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Frank Don't get the wrong idea; I do take care of my diabetes. I do it with insulin instead of the more healthy ways, like low-carb diet, exercise etc. I use insulin both basal at bedtime and bolus before meals. I also do frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of carbs especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs.
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 07:30 GMT > "Jefferson" <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote in message > >>>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > do frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of > carbs especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs. Sorry for the rant. It was your "I'm already 71, so what's the use." that set me off. ;-)
Take care.
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Chris Malcolm - 07 May 2008 10:10 GMT >> "Jefferson" <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> Damn, boy! You're only 71! Get a grip! [] There >> >> are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> do frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of >> carbs especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs.
> Sorry for the rant. It was your "I'm already 71, so what's the > use." that set me off. ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2008_19_tue.shtml
BBC Radio 4 "Woman's Hour", interviewing numbers of silver surfers -- old women who love surfing, the physical kind with waves and wet suits. Some of them over 70. You can listen to it via the web.
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Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 06:47 GMT > >>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message > > [ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I agree that you can have both the quality and the quantity. I don't see > the good life without both. I will be 73 before month's end. Happy Upcoming Birthday, Frank, and Many Happy Returns of the Day! May 12, 1935 for me. <bg>
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Johnnie McCoy - 06 May 2008 22:12 GMT >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message > [ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Nick. Exactly! Just 71? Why, in only 5 years, I'll be 71. At that age, I intend to start thinking about taking up sports, starting a new career, maybe getting married again - many exciting, new things. Of course, I'll only be thinking about them - wouldn't actually do them... jeez, they'd kill me!
John P.S. Still, if you've got teeth, or a hefty set of dentures, I've found a lot of pretty exciting, easy-to-fix stuff to pig out on that doesn't come from the fast-food freezer section. See www.diabeticjunkfood.com (the menu link)
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 07:24 GMT > "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > be thinking about them - wouldn't actually do them... jeez, they'd kill > me! Golf is good. Especially computer golf. ;-)
> P.S. Still, if you've got teeth, or a hefty set of dentures, I've found a > lot of pretty exciting, easy-to-fix stuff to pig out on that doesn't come > from the fast-food freezer section. See www.diabeticjunkfood.com (the > menu link) Thanks for the web site, J McC.
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Robert Miles - 05 May 2008 19:48 GMT > Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE You might test it without the muffin. Bread is usually something worth cutting down on, especially at breakfast.
Some sausages are also worth cutting down on; you might want to check the list of ingredients to see if there are any likely to include carbs.
If you haven't seen this web site yet, it's often recommended to the new diabetics who come here:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Michelle C - 05 May 2008 20:03 GMT Don't dispair. This is all part of the learning process.
There are a couple of possibilities here. 1.) Some people's bodies--and I'm one of them--don't seem to differentiate much between "whole grains" and "refined grains". Treats them all as a fast carb. That may be what happened to you. 2.) With the low fiber count, I have to wonder if what you ate was truly "whole grain". I'm not sure how they get around it, but it seems to me a lot of things labeled "whole grain" really aren't.
You know, you could make the same thing at home--easy peasy. First off, I'd cook a whole lot of sausage patties, and store them in the freezer for easy microwaving. Then I'd use a low carb tortilla (I eat Mission brand) instead of bread or an English muffin. (However, with some careful sleuthing reading labels at the grocery store, you might be able to find some bread or muffins that are less carby and more fibery--is fibery a word?) Microwave an egg (the yolk won't hurt you and is chock full of great nutrients) in a bowl. Microwave your already cooked sausage patty. Slap on a piece of cheese--whatever full fat flavor you like--and you're good to go.
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> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE bj - 05 May 2008 20:07 GMT > I'd cook a whole lot of sausage patties, and store them in the freezer > for easy microwaving. -- You can buy sausage patties or links already cooked & microwaveable -- sometimes in the refrigerated-food section, sometimes in the freezer section (which suits me fine as I freeze them anyway). I just wrap them in a paper towel, nuke, & eat with whatever. bj
Julie Bove - 05 May 2008 21:12 GMT > Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE Sorry but a whole grain English muffin is hardly low carb. Then again, 177 is not really something to freak about. Too high, yes, but not massively too high.
Ozgirl - 05 May 2008 23:01 GMT Ope, just cut out carbs at breakfast for the time being. That is when you are most insulin resistance. Things improve generally as the day goes on.You won't necessarily have to follow a low carb diet, just a low carb breakfast.
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE Robert Miles - 06 May 2008 02:20 GMT Ope, you might also want to test what your bG is before breakfast, so you'll have a better idea of how much breakfast changes it.
> Ope, just cut out carbs at breakfast for the time being. That is when you > are most insulin resistance. Things improve generally as the day goes [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> I love this group and lurk daily. >> OPE Alan S - 06 May 2008 00:36 GMT >Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if >you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I love this group and lurk daily. >OPE That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am.
I'm glad I didn't test now.
I kept the ingredients label, which I didn't read until after I ate it (too hungry:-). On the surface it looks like a simple small muffin with a sausage patty and an egg and cheese.
When I read this I couldn't believe it. How did they fit all this in such a small package?
"Ingredients:
MUFFIN: Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mononitrate, [vit B1], riboflavin [vit B2], folic acid) Yeast. Contains 2% or less of each of the following: yellow degerminated cornflour, yellow degerminated cornmeal, salt, wheat gluten, dextrose, high fructose corn syrup, calcium sulfate, calcium proponate, and potassium sorbate (preservatives) natural fermented sour, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, fumaric acid, soy flour, distilled vinegar, artificial and natural flavours, monocalcium phosphate, ascorbic acid added as a dough conditioner, calcium peroxide, enzymes.
EGG PATTY: whole eggs, water, soybean oil, nonfat dry milk, modified food starch, salt, xantham gum, natural and artificial butter flavor (butter, cream, milk, partially hydrogenated soybean and cottonseed oil, soybean oil, lipolyzed butter, natural and artificial flavours), citric acid.
HAM WATER ADDED Cured with water, dextrose, salt, sodium lactate, sugar, sodium phosphate, sodium duacetate, sodium erythrordate, sodium nitrate
PASTEURIZED PROCESS CHEDDAR CHEESE cultured milk, water, cream, sodium phosphate, salt, sorbic acid (preservative), vegetable color (annatio and paprika extract) enzymes
Contains egg, milk, soy, wheat."
Simply amazing. Never, ever again.
This morning I cooked an omelette. Two eggs, two sliced mushrooms, half an onion, a slice of double smoked ham.
Maybe the ham had some of those things in it's curing agents, but the rest were as they came from nature.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 08:18 GMT > On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:22:50 -0400, ope1@webtv.net (The Only) [ . . . ]
> I kept the ingredients label, which I didn't read until > after I ate it (too hungry:-). On the surface it looks like > a simple small muffin with a sausage patty and an egg and > cheese. [ . . . ]
Forgive me, Alan. Reading that ingredient list was enough to make me sick. In particular, as a friend says, "Meat shouldn't have an ingredient list!"
Take care.
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Alan S - 06 May 2008 10:18 GMT >> On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:22:50 -0400, ope1@webtv.net (The Only) >[ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Take care. No forgiveness needed. Made me feel sick too - and I'd just eaten one.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
John - 06 May 2008 15:56 GMT > That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close > to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am. I really wish I knew you would be in the area. That train actually passes about 3-4 miles from my house.
John C.
Alan S - 07 May 2008 00:04 GMT >> That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close >> to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John C. I waved:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
John - 07 May 2008 12:39 GMT > On Tue, 6 May 2008 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT), John > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I waved:-) That was you?
John C.
Trinkwasser - 06 May 2008 20:54 GMT >>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if >>you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >Maybe the ham had some of those things in it's curing >agents, but the rest were as they came from nature. Our Father Which art in Washington, give us this day our daily calcium propionate, sodium diacetate monoglyceride, potassium bromate, calcium phosphate, monobasic chloramine T, aluminium potassiumsulphate, sodium benzoate, butylated hydroxyanisole, mono-iso-propyl citrate, axerophthol and calciferol. Include with it a little flour and salt. Amen.
(John Brunner: The Sheep Look Up)
Alan S - 07 May 2008 00:04 GMT >>>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if >>>you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >(John Brunner: The Sheep Look Up) :-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia
Oleg Lego - 06 May 2008 02:49 GMT >Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if >you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your >help.. That's about double the carbs I can tolerate in the morning.
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Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 07:46 GMT > Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I love this group and lurk daily. > OPE Hi Ope, Sounds to me like that English muffin is what hammered ya. I'm a lazier old married man of 73 and I keep screwing up too! Test often and keep notes.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 06 May 2008 12:09 GMT > Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if > you don't mind. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough. I'm > a lazy old bachelor of 61! Would encourage you to be smarter by eating less, down to the right amount:
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