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The Only - 05 May 2008 18:22 GMT
Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
you don't mind.
I tried the Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich advertised on tv.
It is a whole grain english muffin with a turkey sausage patty, a slice
of american cheese and one egg white. Carbs are 30 grams with 2 grams
fiber.
Anyhow I tested about 1 hour after and was 177 mgdl. I freaked out.
I was dx'd in Oct. '07 and am on 32 units of Lantus at bedtime. No oral
meds due to liver damage. I need some encouragement 'cause in all
honesty this disease is giving me a run for my money.
I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough. I'm
a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your
help..
I love this group and lurk daily.
OPE
Cheri - 05 May 2008 18:56 GMT
The Only wrote in message
<20488-481F426A-760@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>...
Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
you don't mind.
I tried the Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich advertised on tv.
It is a whole grain english muffin with a turkey sausage patty, a
slice
of american cheese and one egg white. Carbs are 30 grams with 2 grams
fiber.
Anyhow I tested about 1 hour after and was 177 mgdl. I freaked out.
I was dx'd in Oct. '07 and am on 32 units of Lantus at bedtime. No
oral
meds due to liver damage. I need some encouragement 'cause in all
honesty this disease is giving me a run for my money.
I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough.
I'm
a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your
help..
I love this group and lurk daily.
OPE
********
A lot of people, me included, can't have a lot of carbs in the morning
without spiking. I usually have a couple of eggs (or if you prefer an
egg white omelet) with a bit of chopped up ham, cheese, leftover
veggies etc., stirred into it. Something like that works much better
for me. Later in the day, I can handle carbs better without spiking,
but your meter will tell you what and when you can handle best.
Welcome, and best to you.

Cheri
Trinkwasser - 06 May 2008 20:49 GMT
>The Only wrote in message
><20488-481F426A-760@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>...
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>but your meter will tell you what and when you can handle best.
>Welcome, and best to you.

Yup that's precisely twice as many carbs as I can handle for
breakfast.
Anon aka - 05 May 2008 18:57 GMT
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE

.
My granddaughter bought me some of those, they were ok but not as good as
home made.

It is easy to fry up an egg, warm a piece of frozen/cooked sausage and put
it on a toasted English muffin with a slice of cheese. Tastes 1000% better
and costs a lot less too. The English muffins I get have a little over 50
carbs each. Using the light muffins would reduce the carbs. I inject 13
units of Novolog before eating, YMMV.

I'm a lazy old widower of 71. I don't exercise at all because of a bad back
but I do test a lot. I'm a T2 but use insulin like a T1. This allows me to
eat more carbs without high spikes. I know it would be better to eat lower
carbs, more vegetables, etc., but I'm already 71, so what's the use. At this
stage, quality of life is more important to me than quantity

Anon
Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 08:04 GMT
> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
[ . . . ]
> It is easy to fry up an egg, warm a piece of frozen/cooked sausage and
> put it on a toasted English muffin with a slice of cheese. Tastes 1000%
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> eat lower carbs, more vegetables, etc., but I'm already 71, so what's the
> use. At this stage, quality of life is more important to me than quantity

Damn, boy! You're only 71! Get a grip! By taking care of yourself, you can
have both quality and quantity. Don't you want to enjoy your loving
granddaughter and great grandkids. It's fun to be cuddled, asked questions,
be told about vacations, school and parties, and laughed with and at! There
are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the
towel yet. Me neither!

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Alan S - 06 May 2008 10:17 GMT
>> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
>[ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the
>towel yet. Me neither!

Older folks? Speak for yourself!

Cheers, Alan (61yo), T2, Australia.
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 03:22 GMT
> <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan (61yo), T2, Australia.

'A lot of' doesn't mean 'all', Alan, does it? ;-D

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Jefferson - 06 May 2008 21:14 GMT
>>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the
> towel yet. Me neither!

I agree that you can have both the quality and the quantity. I don't see
the good life without both. I will be 73 before month's end.

Frank
Anon aka - 06 May 2008 21:52 GMT
>>>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Frank

Don't get the wrong idea; I do take care of my diabetes. I do it with
insulin instead of the more healthy ways, like low-carb diet, exercise etc.
I use insulin both basal at bedtime and bolus before meals. I also do
frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of carbs
especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs.
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 07:30 GMT
> "Jefferson" <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> do frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of
> carbs especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs.

Sorry for the rant. It was your "I'm already 71, so what's the
use." that set me off. ;-)

Take care.

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Chris Malcolm - 07 May 2008 10:10 GMT
>> "Jefferson" <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> >> Damn, boy! You're only 71! Get a grip! [] There
>> >> are a lot of other older folks here. They're not ready to throw in the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> do frequent correction injections when BG is high. I do eat a lot of
>> carbs especially on spaghetti night, then maybe over 100 carbs.

> Sorry for the rant. It was your "I'm already 71, so what's the
> use." that set me off. ;-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2008_19_tue.shtml

BBC Radio 4 "Woman's Hour", interviewing numbers of silver surfers --
old women who love surfing, the physical kind with waves and wet
suits. Some of them over 70. You can listen to it via the web.

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Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 06:47 GMT
> >>"The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > [ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I agree that you can have both the quality and the quantity. I don't see
> the good life without both. I will be 73 before month's end.

Happy Upcoming Birthday, Frank, and Many Happy Returns of the Day!
May 12, 1935 for me. <bg>

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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! !             ~Semper Fi~

Johnnie McCoy - 06 May 2008 22:12 GMT
>> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
> [ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Nick.

Exactly! Just 71? Why, in only 5 years, I'll be 71. At that age, I intend to
start thinking about taking up sports, starting a new career, maybe getting
married again - many exciting, new things. Of course, I'll only be thinking
about them - wouldn't actually do them... jeez, they'd kill me!

John
P.S. Still, if you've got teeth, or a hefty set of dentures, I've found a
lot of pretty exciting, easy-to-fix stuff to pig out on that doesn't come
from the fast-food freezer section. See www.diabeticjunkfood.com (the menu
link)
Nick Cramer - 07 May 2008 07:24 GMT
> "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >> "The Only" <ope1@webtv.net> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> be thinking about them - wouldn't actually do them... jeez, they'd kill
> me!

Golf is good. Especially computer golf. ;-)

> P.S. Still, if you've got teeth, or a hefty set of dentures, I've found a
> lot of pretty exciting, easy-to-fix stuff to pig out on that doesn't come
> from the fast-food freezer section. See www.diabeticjunkfood.com (the
> menu link)

Thanks for the web site, J McC.

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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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Robert Miles - 05 May 2008 19:48 GMT
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE

You might test it without the muffin.  Bread is usually something worth
cutting down on, especially at breakfast.

Some sausages are also worth cutting down on; you might want to check
the list of ingredients to see if there are any likely to include carbs.

If you haven't seen this web site yet, it's often recommended to the new
diabetics who come here:

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Michelle C - 05 May 2008 20:03 GMT
Don't dispair.  This is all part of the learning process.

There are a couple of possibilities here. 1.)  Some people's bodies--and I'm
one of them--don't seem to differentiate much between "whole grains" and
"refined grains".  Treats them all as a fast carb.  That may be what
happened to you.  2.) With the low fiber count, I have to wonder if what you
ate was truly "whole grain".  I'm not sure how they get around it, but it
seems to me a lot of things labeled "whole grain" really aren't.

You know, you could make the same thing at home--easy peasy.  First off, I'd
cook a whole lot of sausage patties, and store them in the freezer for easy
microwaving.  Then I'd use a low carb tortilla (I eat Mission brand) instead
of bread or an English muffin.  (However, with some careful sleuthing
reading labels at the grocery store, you might be able to find some bread or
muffins that are less carby and more fibery--is fibery a word?)  Microwave
an egg (the yolk won't hurt you and is chock full of great nutrients) in a
bowl.  Microwave your already cooked sausage patty.  Slap on a piece of
cheese--whatever full fat flavor you like--and you're good to go.
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Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE
bj - 05 May 2008 20:07 GMT
>  I'd cook a whole lot of sausage patties, and store them in the freezer
> for easy microwaving.  --

You can buy sausage patties or links already cooked & microwaveable --  
sometimes in the refrigerated-food section, sometimes in the freezer section
(which suits me fine as I freeze them anyway).
I just wrap them in a paper towel, nuke, & eat with whatever.
bj
Julie Bove - 05 May 2008 21:12 GMT
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE

Sorry but a whole grain English muffin is hardly low carb.  Then again, 177
is not really something to freak about.  Too high, yes, but not massively
too high.
Ozgirl - 05 May 2008 23:01 GMT
Ope, just cut out carbs at breakfast for the time being. That is when you
are most insulin resistance. Things improve generally as the day goes on.You
won't necessarily have to follow a low carb diet, just a low carb breakfast.

> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE
Robert Miles - 06 May 2008 02:20 GMT
Ope, you might also want to test what your bG is before breakfast, so
you'll have a better idea of how much breakfast changes it.

> Ope, just cut out carbs at breakfast for the time being. That is when you
> are most insulin resistance. Things improve generally as the day goes
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>> I love this group and lurk daily.
>> OPE
Alan S - 06 May 2008 00:36 GMT
>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
>you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I love this group and lurk daily.
>OPE

That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close
to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am.

I'm glad I didn't test now.

I kept the ingredients label, which I didn't read until
after I ate it (too hungry:-). On the surface it looks like
a simple small muffin with a sausage patty and an egg and
cheese.

When I read this I couldn't believe it. How did they fit all
this in such a small package?

"Ingredients:

MUFFIN:
Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley
flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mononitrate, [vit B1],
riboflavin [vit B2], folic acid) Yeast. Contains 2% or less
of each of the following: yellow degerminated cornflour,
yellow degerminated cornmeal, salt, wheat gluten, dextrose,
high fructose corn syrup, calcium sulfate, calcium
proponate, and potassium sorbate (preservatives) natural
fermented sour, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, fumaric
acid, soy flour, distilled vinegar, artificial and natural
flavours, monocalcium phosphate, ascorbic acid added as a
dough conditioner, calcium peroxide, enzymes.

EGG PATTY:
whole eggs, water, soybean oil, nonfat dry milk, modified
food starch, salt, xantham gum, natural and artificial
butter flavor (butter, cream, milk, partially hydrogenated
soybean and cottonseed oil, soybean oil, lipolyzed butter,
natural and artificial flavours), citric acid.

HAM WATER ADDED
Cured with water, dextrose, salt, sodium lactate, sugar,
sodium phosphate, sodium duacetate, sodium erythrordate,
sodium nitrate

PASTEURIZED PROCESS CHEDDAR CHEESE
cultured milk, water, cream, sodium phosphate, salt, sorbic
acid (preservative), vegetable color (annatio and paprika
extract) enzymes

Contains egg, milk, soy, wheat."

Simply amazing. Never, ever again.

This morning I cooked an omelette. Two eggs, two sliced
mushrooms, half an onion, a slice of double smoked ham.

Maybe the ham had some of those things in it's curing
agents, but the rest were as they came from nature.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile?
and Cambodia
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 08:18 GMT
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:22:50 -0400, ope1@webtv.net (The Only)
[ . . . ]
> I kept the ingredients label, which I didn't read until
> after I ate it (too hungry:-). On the surface it looks like
> a simple small muffin with a sausage patty and an egg and
> cheese.
[ . . . ]

Forgive me, Alan. Reading that ingredient list was enough to make me sick.
In particular, as a friend says, "Meat shouldn't have an ingredient list!"

Take care.

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Alan S - 06 May 2008 10:18 GMT
>> On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:22:50 -0400, ope1@webtv.net (The Only)
>[ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Take care.

No forgiveness needed. Made me feel sick too - and I'd just
eaten one.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile?
and Cambodia
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
John - 06 May 2008 15:56 GMT
> That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close
> to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am.

I really wish I knew you would be in the area. That train actually
passes about 3-4 miles from my house.

John C.
Alan S - 07 May 2008 00:04 GMT
>> That was the only thing I could buy that looked even close
>> to acceptable on the DC-NYC Amtrak at 5 am.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>John C.

I waved:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
and Cambodia
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
John - 07 May 2008 12:39 GMT
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT), John
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I waved:-)

That was you?

John C.
Trinkwasser - 06 May 2008 20:54 GMT
>>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
>>you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>Maybe the ham had some of those things in it's curing
>agents, but the rest were as they came from nature.

Our Father Which art in Washington, give us this day our daily calcium
propionate, sodium diacetate monoglyceride, potassium bromate, calcium
phosphate, monobasic chloramine T, aluminium potassiumsulphate, sodium
benzoate, butylated hydroxyanisole, mono-iso-propyl citrate,
axerophthol and calciferol. Include with it a little flour and salt.
Amen.

(John Brunner: The Sheep Look Up)
Alan S - 07 May 2008 00:04 GMT
>>>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
>>>you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
>(John Brunner: The Sheep Look Up)

:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia
Oleg Lego - 06 May 2008 02:49 GMT
>Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
>you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>a lazy old bachelor of 61! Sorry for the long post and TIA for your
>help..

That's about double the carbs I can tolerate in the morning.

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Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

Nick Cramer - 06 May 2008 07:46 GMT
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I love this group and lurk daily.
> OPE

Hi Ope, Sounds to me like that English muffin is what hammered ya. I'm a
lazier old married man of 73 and I keep screwing up too! Test often and
keep notes.

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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 06 May 2008 12:09 GMT
> Hi again group. This is only my second post so please bear with me if
> you don't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I try to follow a low carb diet but I don't exercise or test enough. I'm
> a lazy old bachelor of 61!

Would encourage you to be smarter by eating less, down to the right
amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Life in industrialized countries is life in blessed feedlots.

> Sorry for the long post and TIA for your help.

Laus Deo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

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