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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Stupid liver, grrr...
Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand (about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an apple in case. Half-way though; 10.1. Grrr! Ate some more apple to try and stop it. Afterwards, 12.1. Double grrr! Got home, 13.2 (around 240). Hell! That's the highest I've been for about a year, I think. Eyes feeling bulgy, feet tingling. Took about another half an hour for it to drop to 5.0. I really wasn't expecting a big problem with such a small rearrangement in schedule. Normally I can do an hours' karate and stay under 6 with no bother at all. Stupid liver!! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Yeah, stupid liver! It's a liver with a schedule, and it doesn't like change. What a pain in the patoot!  SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand > (about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand >(about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >rearrangement in schedule. Normally I can do an hours' karate and stay >under 6 with no bother at all. Stupid liver!! Strange isn't it, in between all the success stories there do seem to be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor infection doing the rounds that particularly seems to screw with BG? I was thinking much the same thing! I was runnin high for like a month..not terrible but certainly if i eat a zero carb meal i expect zero rise and was getting 120 up from 88 after eating a plate of plain scrambled eggs.. I seem to be back on track and even have been going hypo so its always somthing..lol...but i was blaming allergies or sinus for the high yet everyone here seems to be as well.. Other day i was hungry yet to lazy to cook so i ate 2 ouces of pork rinds and felt wierd and all a sudden very off and dizzy and checked my bg and i was 50!...havnt changed meds or time i take then or done anything diff at all except instead of my normal salad or chicken breast and brocoli i normal eat i had pork rinds...messed me up the whole day i was low never broke 70...didnt feel to bad tho so that was good some low day its like getting hit with a truck going from say 88 to 60 id feel horrible all day. KROM > Strange isn't it, in between all the success stories there do seem to > be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor > infection doing the rounds that particularly seems to screw with BG? >I was thinking much the same thing! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor >> infection doing the rounds that particularly seems to screw with BG? Weird isn';t it? Yes I've been tending towards unexpected lows - which without the ALA sitting on my liver could well have been unexpected highs from liver dumps - they seem to have gone away now without any other change in my health or other circumstances, still got some lurking sinus and gum bacteria though. Today for no reason i was between 68 and 88 no matter what i ate or drank..somtimes i dont get this disease..lol. KROM >>I was thinking much the same thing! >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > other change in my health or other circumstances, still got some > lurking sinus and gum bacteria though. > Today for no reason i was between 68 and 88 no matter what i ate or > drank..somtimes i dont get this disease..lol. I'll trade you for my 300's! :) no thnx..lol..altho today i am again super low..i dont get it..im takin the min amout of met..not even takin glipi right now..i went from 80 and started dropping down to 70 then 60 and started feeling relaly crappy..could barely stand so wife brought me a wedg eof apple with peanut butter so i wouldnt rollercoaster..that got me to 98 but fell right away to 80 and hovering 80 so i give up trying to fig it out..as long as i dont keep dipping and feeling crappy i dont care i used to be in the high 80's all the time but for last 5 months i was runnin high so maybe my bod got rid of whatever was buggin it. KROM >> Today for no reason i was between 68 and 88 no matter what i ate or >> drank..somtimes i dont get this disease..lol. > > I'll trade you for my 300's! :) >Today for no reason i was between 68 and 88 no matter what i ate or >drank..somtimes i dont get this disease..lol. "You got the good pill" > Strange isn't it, in between all the success stories there do seem to > be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor > infection doing the rounds that particularly seems to screw with BG? I fully agree with the "Stupid Liver" statement. I have often compared trying to work out what effect a certain exercise and a certain food intake will have on my bg is like playing a chess game. there's always some move you haven't thought of, which zaps you. I agree with the schedule bit. Once you worked out that some system works - most of the time anyway - stick to that routine. Interestingly enough, at odd times I have changed the routine to one of brief extra intensive exercise, or tried some extra low carb meal, and achieved a surprisingly LOW bg result (either fbg or pp). But then, when I try to continue that routine, my bg creeps up and up. It's as if my (stupid) liver was saying "Hey, you're trying to trick me! I'm on to you!" and "compensates" for the seeming beneficial changes I made, and boosts my bg anyway. Yay stupid liver!!!! Henry Mydlarz : > Strange isn't it, in between all the success stories there do seem to : > be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor : > infection doing the rounds that particularly seems to screw with BG? : I fully agree with the "Stupid Liver" statement. I have often compared : trying to work out what effect a certain exercise and a certain food intake : will have on my bg is like playing a chess game. there's always some move : you haven't thought of, which zaps you. I agree with the schedule bit. Once : you worked out that some system works - most of the time anyway - stick to : that routine. : Interestingly enough, at odd times I have changed the routine to one of : brief extra intensive exercise, or tried some extra low carb meal, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : "compensates" for the seeming beneficial changes I made, and boosts my bg : anyway. : Yay stupid liver!!!! : Henry Mydlarz Sounds to me more like a clever, but unhelpful liver:-) Wendy >> Strange isn't it, in between all the success stories there do seem to >> be not a few reports of weird numbers, maybe there's some minor [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Yay stupid liver!!!! I was reading some stuff which was quite interesting, a little known fact (until you do the sums) is that at any one time the blood only contains a few grams of glucose. The rest gets there either from food or from glycogen stores which are masterminded by the liver, which gives one a new reverance for the control system's abilities - when it actually works right. I suspect when we talk about "liver dumps" what we really mean is "liver overdumps" one of the biggest changes I've noticed for which I blame the ALA is that I have gone from overdumping to underdumping in that I can under certain circumstances run my BG down quite low before anything notices. That's one of the main functions of metformin also. The most frustrating thing is that the same circumstances can give totally different results for no apparent reason. >Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand >(about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I hope it IS the liver and not a bug. I seem luckier and don't get dumps like that. But then, I don't do martial arts. I just swim a little and walk 'round (or up) ruins occasionally. Never had a liver dump as exciting as yours. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html >>Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand >>(about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > arts. I just swim a little and walk 'round (or up) ruins > occasionally. Never had a liver dump as exciting as yours. I used to get those shoveling snow in NY. Oh how I hated shoveling snow! > Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand > (about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 This mysterious boosting of bg - Liver Dump - remains one of the great mysteries of my diabetes, as in a post responding to Trinkwasser. One observation is that I have never been able to stop a liver dump once it's started, by eating. I think the "theory" is that once the liver has finished pumping it's vicious glucose (or whatever) into your blood, then the food will only add to it once it kicks in. I would also suggest, Nicky, that they eye and tingling effects may be only (or largely) imaginary - a result of deep concern (freaking out?) at your inexplicable skyrocketing bg. I have become quite freaked out by the odd jump I get. Sorry if this sounds like drivel. Henry Mydlarz. >One observation is that I have never been able to stop a liver dump once >it's started, by eating. I think the "theory" is that once the liver has >finished pumping it's vicious glucose (or whatever) into your blood, then >the food will only add to it once it kicks in. Yeah - me too - but I'm a control freak, got to try SOMETHING! : ( >I would also suggest, Nicky, that they eye and tingling effects may be only >(or largely) imaginary - a result of deep concern (freaking out?) at your >inexplicable skyrocketing bg. I have become quite freaked out by the odd >jump I get. I'm not convinced that's 100% of the effect - I had the difference in focus with the eyes, had to change glasses. The tingling might be. Saw a T-shirt the other day: "The Liver is Evil and Must be Punished". Very tempted to try and put a graphic together round that : ) And I might have a go at taking a course of milk thistle before karate camp in August, where I'm guaranteed 3 days of liver dump : ( Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:56:07 +1000, "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> [ . . . ] > Saw a T-shirt the other day: "The Liver is Evil and Must be Punished". > Very tempted to try and put a graphic together round that : ) And I > might have a go at taking a course of milk thistle before karate camp > in August, where I'm guaranteed 3 days of liver dump : ( I've been taking 4,000 mg of Milk Thistle a day since July, 2006. But that's because of my high alcohol intake. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ > Karate was half an hour earlier than usual today. Tested beforehand > (about 3/4 hr after mushroom omelette breakfast), was 6.0. Ate half an [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rearrangement in schedule. Normally I can do an hours' karate and stay > under 6 with no bother at all. Stupid liver!! Hi, Nicky. Well, that sucks. I'd been a karateka for 25 years when I was dx'd with diabetes and started shooting insulin. I was 57 years old at the time and always trained hard, so I could beat the kids! I passed out in class. Sensei brought me to. Next time I cut my insulin in half. Same thing. Next time half of that. Ditto. I dropped out of class. Everyone was very kind to me when I left. I know Sensei was sorry to see me go, but not as much as I was. ;-( SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Hi, Nicky. Well, that sucks. I'd been a karateka for 25 years when I was >dx'd with diabetes and started shooting insulin. I was 57 years old at the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >very kind to me when I left. I know Sensei was sorry to see me go, but not >as much as I was. ;-( I don't think I'm actually going low. Certainly I've no sense of a hypo. Passing out in class sounds awful! Two of the local senseis are T2, interestingly. I haven't managed to ask them how they cope, and whether they get liver dumps. I'm also wondering if I could avoid liver dumps by doing a slower warmup - we had a sadist and circuits yesterday! Interestingly, one of the T2 senseis does a Pilates warmup, I wonder if that's why? He teaches two towns away, or I'd be over there... I guess I could try warming up before the class. If I work up to explosive stuff, it's not a problem. But I'm not giving it up - as you say, gotta keep up with the kids :P Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On 04 May 2008 08:23:14 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> [ . . . ] > But I'm not giving it up - as you say, gotta keep up with the kids :P Hi, Nicky. Hmm. Never thought about that Sensei Bill might have been diabetic. He sure knew how to deal with my hypos! I always got to Dojo early and did a long warmup. Stretching, pushups, calisthenics, Samurai walks, etc. Occasionally, Sensei would have us run a couple of blocks. Koshoryu is a combination of Kenpo, Judo and Aikido (I suppose I could still do Aikido). I was always a stickler when we were doing Kata, but when it came to sparring, I was, definitely, an over-achiever! O-soto-gari was one of my favorite surprise moves. I never damaged anyone, either, although many young studs slapped the tatami three times with their hand, As I also often did. Don't only keep up with the kids, Nicky. Set a shining example for them of how dedication, persistance and fortitude can give them longevity and help them be a better person. You've brought back some very fond memories, Nicky. Thanks. Wanna go a round with an old man? ;-D SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ |
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