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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008cholesterol drop
I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How long does it take to see a drop in cholesterol (assuming theer will be one!), now that I have drastically cut down on the saturated fats? Are we talking days, weeks, a year? > I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL > GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). > How long does it take to see a drop in cholesterol (assuming theer will > be one!), now that I have drastically cut down on the saturated fats? > Are we talking days, weeks, a year? What have you replaced them with? If it's sugar or starch, you're likely to get a rise in cholesterol instead of a drop. I think that the drops in cholesterol I've read about took months. >I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL >GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How >long does it take to see a drop in cholesterol (assuming theer will be >one!), now that I have drastically cut down on the saturated fats? Are we >talking days, weeks, a year? Is that total of 6.6, and HDL 1.4? That implies your high total cholesterol is raised by triglycerides, and you should be cutting down carbohydrates, not (necessarily) saturated fats. Have you read these links? http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/ As for how soon - a guess here, but probably pretty soon if you cut carbs down, because trigs are what the body transfers fats with; if you get into ketosis (less than around 120g carbohydrate daily) then the "glyceride" part of the trig is formed much slower. It'll take you 3-4 days to get into benign ketosis. What's with the tearing hurry? Nicky. (In ketosis for 4 years now.) T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > >I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL > >GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the "glyceride" part of the trig is formed much slower. It'll take you > 3-4 days to get into benign ketosis. Actually, ketosis from either fasting (starvation ketosis) or hypoinsulinemia (ie DKA) is not benign. Indeed, there is evidence that one ketone that accumulates with low- carbing, namely acetone, is associated with steatohepatitis. "In particular, breath ethanol can be associated with hepatic steatosis, and breath acetone can be associated with non-alcoholic steatohepatitis." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16766393 Moreover, the half-life of acetone is quite long so that its level is ever increasing with either low-carbing or fasting. "Several other literature reports of individuals who had ingested isopropanol as well as controlled studies after administration of moderate amounts of acetone and/or isopropanol support the notion of a long elimination half-life of 17-27 h for acetone compared with a t(1/2) of 1-3 h for isopropanol." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10654562 > What's with the tearing hurry? > > Nicky. (In ketosis for 4 years now.) (sad to read that you have been possibly harming yourself for 4 yrs) Would wonder about your liver function tests. <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels On May 1, 9:02 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > >I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL > > >GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > What's with the tearing hurry? > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels > > Nicky. (In ketosis for 4 years now.) Chung coughed up: > ("sad to read that you have been possibly harming yourself for 4 yrs) > > Would wonder about your liver function tests." Chung you ignorant quack. Ketosis is not ketoacidosis. Stop misinforming people. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Valuelesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels On May 1, 10:38 pm, yamant...@aol.com wrote: > On May 1, 9:02 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Chung you ignorant quack. Ketosis is not ketoacidosis. Stop > misinforming people. differentiation among words, defining terms and using common accepted terminology --- not his style. Interesting that the term "benign ketosis" is a frequently discussed topic among physicians ans nutritionists then there is the term 'black fat" appears in a few 19th century nature books but there is no current discussion within the medical community of this concept. Could it be one person is off base in obssessing about "black fat" JS http://HeartMDPhD.com/Fraudsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels I have low trigs & I do not low-carb. bj > Is that total of 6.6, and HDL 1.4? That implies your high total > cholesterol is raised by triglycerides, and you should be cutting down [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the "glyceride" part of the trig is formed much slower. It'll take you > 3-4 days to get into benign ketosis. >>I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL >>GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >What's with the tearing hurry? What she says! When I was put on a low fat high carb diet by numbers got significantly worse, this is not uncommon (ignore bj, she's a Martian!) For normal earthlings, this can be a double whammy, the extra carbs whack up the trigs, and the lack of fat causes the carbs to turn to glucose quicker which whacks them up more. Many dieticians have not learned this yet, but fortunately some have. >I'm diabetic. I now find that I have high cholesterol (HDL 6.6 and HDL >GOOD 1.4 - these figures written on a piece of paper for me by my GP). How >long does it take to see a drop in cholesterol (assuming theer will be >one!), now that I have drastically cut down on the saturated fats? Are we >talking days, weeks, a year? I agree with Nicky. However, it would help others to comment if you also note whether you are type 2 or type 1 and a couple of other numbers: Triglycerides LDL Total Cholesterol (I suspect that's the 6.6) HbA1c Fasting BG's Post-prandial (after-eating) BGs Maybe you do need to cut sat fats - you didn't detail your present menu - but I'll lay odds you'd be better off cutting some carbs. But I'm only guessing without further info. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html |
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