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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Huge jump in my A1c
My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1 and I thought that was extraordinarily high since it had always been between 6.1 and 5.9. Monday my doctor wanted to see me again and have another blood draw to check my A1c. I told him that I have been running high on my BG tests and did not expect a good result. Was I ever right. This time it was 8.1. He wants me to check two or three times a day to see what is happening for a couple of weeks. My morning or FBG readings have been in the low 130s since a saw him. I am trying to pay closer attention to what I eat but my other tests have been between 220 and 285. That is, until tonight when I tested four hours after I ate a light supper of a small bowl of Wheatchex. This time it was a whopping 419!! He did tell me when he saw me to stop taking my Metformin at supper time since that was normally less than eight hours after breakfast and to start taking the second one at nine o'clock, just before my evening snack. That was when I got the 419. I took my Metformin and then had my evening snack consisting of a small carton of yogurt with blueberries and a cup of coffee. I will check my BG again at bedtime which will be at 1:00 a.m. Then if it has dropped significantly I will eat a very light bedtime snack. In the past if I have not had that bedtime snack I have had high morning numbers. That may or may not be due to a liver dump since we do not get up before 9:00 a.m. In the past I shared with the group when I was doing very well, so in order to be honest I feel I need to share with you when things are haywire as they are now. I don't want to let these high numbers to go on very long since I have ho apparent adverse side effects from my diabetes and don't want any. If the doctor feels I need to go on insulin I am more than willing to do so. Wish me luck. I need it.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 convicted neighbor Chuck wrote: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1 and I thought that was > extraordinarily high since it had always been between 6.1 and 5.9. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Wish me luck. I need it. No such thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33). It remains much smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart A simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Apr 25, 3:40 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCrdiology.com http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and hates it. Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until we all complain about his tactics! Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this immediately. www.anad.org/ and www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/ If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the condition of the people you are delivering the message to. See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state. Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology” in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the medical community. Dr. Yamantaka Says, He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum community standards. Mike Mordant says: Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000 and $280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains lawful steward." To that Mr. Chung’s web site states: “after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).” In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little content on the site and nothing of any medical value. So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and everything to do with his desire to derive profits. Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications, > Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last > year ? No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the fellowship training in cardiology. > Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist > who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both > internal and cardiovascular medicine. That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal medicine. Dr. Yamantaka also stated: Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to answer these questions honestly. This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your mental illness and personality disorder. Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified Internist. I am. "Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing VAT. If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support your absurd claims, then stop. His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/ her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd, nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done anonymously. http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/csbme/home/0,2458,26729866,00.html From the website of the Georgia Medical Board: What is unprofessional conduct? According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes "any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care." In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping, not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment (mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and 360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct for which a licensee may be disciplined. File a Complaint Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Enforcement Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404) 656-9723 http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,26729866_27513604_27080031,00.html About… CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Physician Profile 040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009 Cardiovascular Disease/ Cardiology NONE http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam I've updated the page. 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and hates it. Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until we all complain about his tactics! Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this immediately. www.anad.org/ and www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/ If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the condition of the people you are delivering the message to. See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state. Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology” in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the medical community. Dr. Yamantaka Says, He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum community standards. Mike Mordant says: Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000 and $280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains lawful steward." To that Mr. Chung’s web site states: “after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).” In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little content on the site and nothing of any medical value. So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and everything to do with his desire to derive profits. Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications, > Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last > year ? No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the fellowship training in cardiology. > Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist > who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both > internal and cardiovascular medicine. That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal medicine. Dr. Yamantaka also stated: Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to answer these questions honestly. This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your mental illness and personality disorder. Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified Internist. I am. "Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing VAT. If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support your absurd claims, then stop. His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/ her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd, nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done anonymously. http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/csbme/home/0,2458,26729866,00.html From the website of the Georgia Medical Board: What is unprofessional conduct? According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes "any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care." In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping, not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment (mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and 360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct for which a licensee may be disciplined. File a Complaint Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Enforcement Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404) 656-9723 http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,26729866_27513604_27080031,00.html About… CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Physician Profile 040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009 Cardiovascular Disease/ Cardiology NONE > My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1 and I thought that was > extraordinarily high since it had always been between 6.1 and 5.9. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Wish me luck. I need it. Jeepers! I just had my highest number ever but it wasn't as high as yours. If you do have to go on insulin, I hope you have an easier time of it than I've been having. Oddly, my numbers have gone higher since I started it. Don't know what's up with that. *sigh* I've also had some lower numbers and one hypo. Too much variation to be able to get the dose right. : > My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1 and I thought that was : > extraordinarily high since it had always been between 6.1 and 5.9. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] : > numbers. That may or may not be due to a liver dump since we do not : > get up before 9:00 a.m. : > Wish me luck. I need it. Chuck, I wish you luck. In the past I have been astonded as how well ou wee controlled on, what fo rme, would e a high carb and high BG diet. Are you still following htat same eating patern? If so, or in any event, do you think you might try a period of jennifer's teat,tst, test advice to see if you can descern a pattern or find foods that you formerly could eat that no longer work for you> It can be a pain in the neck to do all that testing, but it shuld be well worth your while adn u may find that with some adjustments to your diet, you will, once again, have decent numbers. Our bodies do change over time, so maybe yours has. Wendy-wishing you well >: > My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1 and I thought that was >: > extraordinarily high since it had always been between 6.1 and 5.9. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >you can descern a pattern or find foods that you formerly could eat that >no longer work for you> Tonight Laurie left cut up turnips, carrots and an apple for me to snack on. Not sure how that is going to work with my sore gums, but I'll be happy to try them. >It can be a pain in the neck to do all that testing, but it shuld be well >worth your while adn u may find that with some adjustments to your diet, >you will, once again, have decent numbers. Our bodies do change over >time, so maybe yours has. > >Wendy-wishing you well Thanks Wendy. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >In the past I shared with the group when I was doing very well, so in >order to be honest I feel I need to share with you when things are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Wish me luck. I need it. LUCK, Chuck! Sorry to hear that the numbers have been heading North. I trust you're keeping a diet/exercise/bg log? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >Wish me luck. I need it. I'll do it - but you don't need luck. You just need to review the information you've received here. Yiu were here before I arrived IIRC. How could you still be eating Wheatchex after all these years, Chuck? Go back to basics mate. Start with Jennifer's advice and google up some of Old Al's posts if you decide insulin may be necessary. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>Wish me luck. I need it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >How could you still be eating Wheatchex after all these >years, Chuck? My doctor has recommended unsweetened cereal for my evening meals. I know I have been eating too much in the bowl. I need to work on eating no more than what is listed as one serving on the side of the box. If I find I don't like it without any sweetener then I need to use Equal and not even small quantities of sugar. ;-( >Go back to basics mate. Start with Jennifer's advice and >google up some of Old Al's posts if you decide insulin may [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. This mornings BG was 131 which I am very happy with. Had a small bowl of oatmeal for breakfast. I can't wear my lower partial denture right now due to a sore area. My before lunch BG was 225 only three hours after breakfast. My doctor had me change when I take my second Metformin around 9 p.m. I will wait until bedtime to check my blood again. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>Wish me luck. I need it. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Metformin around 9 p.m. I will wait until bedtime to check my blood >again. Chuck, we've been here a while. So I hope you will understand that I say this as a caring friend, not as a jab. Re-read your posts in this thread as though they were written by someone else, a new diabetic who appeared on asd with the following comments: "My last A1c only a few months back was 7.1" "This time it was 8.1." "My morning or FBG readings have been in the low 130s since a saw him. "This mornings BG was 131 which I am very happy with. Had a small bowl of oatmeal for breakfast." "I am trying to pay closer attention to what I eat but my other tests have been between 220 and 285. That is, until tonight when I tested four hours after I ate a light supper of a small bowl of Wheatchex. This time it was a whopping 419!! He did tell me when he saw me to stop taking my Metformin at supper time since that was normally less than eight hours after breakfast and to start taking the second one at nine o'clock, just before my evening snack. That was when I got the 419. I took my Metformin and then had my evening snack consisting of a small carton of yogurt with blueberries and a cup of coffee." Now, what advice would you give that newby? Apart from considering insulin? Here is my advice to that newby. It may look familiar to you:-) From http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/test-review-adjust.html Start with whatever you eat now. Eat, then test after eating at your spike time (see http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/when-to-test-one-hour-or-two-hour.html) and if BG’s are too high then review what you ate and change the menu next time. Then do that again, and again, and again until what you eat doesn’t spike you. You will get some surprises, particularly at breakfast time. The so-called "heart-healthy" Breakfasts are NOT for most type 2's. Try something from here instead: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/breakfasts.html Similarly, you will find variations through the day - the same thing will have different effects at breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper. But I can't say how they will affect others - only how it affected me - which is why we all need to test ourselves. As you gradually improve your blood glucose levels, review the resulting way of eating to ensure adequate nutrition, fibre etc are included and adjust accordingly. Then test again. Test, review, adjust, always towards better and better health. And finally – add at least 30 minutes of exercise to your day – but that’s another post. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >Chuck, we've been here a while. So I hope you will >understand that I say this as a caring friend, not as a jab. That would not happen. I have known you online for long enough to have a great deal of respect for you and what you post. We are about to head out the door so Laurie may go to the Goodwill Store and do a bit of shopping. We have a lot that needs to be done, but she deserves a day of enjoying herself. I will address the rest of your post later (today, I hope). Take care a be well, my friend. Thank you Alan for the sage advise. You are right. I should already know the answers to my recent problem with my BGs and my A1c readings. >>>>Wish me luck. I need it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>Wish me luck. I need it. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Metformin around 9 p.m. I will wait until bedtime to check my blood >again. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the oatmeal caused the 225, and I hate to think what it might have been 1 and 2 hrs. after breakfast. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>Wish me luck. I need it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 225, and I hate to think what it might have been 1 and 2 hrs. after > breakfast. That's not going out on a limb. Lots of type 2's can't eat oatmeal at all let alone at breakfast when we are most insulin resistant. I will go out on a limb though... and Chuck I mean no disrespect at all. Many years ago I and others pointed out to you that just because one's bg goes back to a reasonable number a few hours after eating carby foods doesn't mean that the carbs won't be responsible for the eventual progression of your diabetes. Progression CAN be prevented and it happens right here with people in this group. In my opinion and experience, diabetic treatment must consist of a total lifestyle change. If one is prepared to go the route of adding more and more meds and then insulin rather than give up their oatmeals, rices, pastas and breads then that is their choice. But there are other choices. One day all will seem to be going swimmingly then all of a sudden everything goes south. Think of how the type 2 pancreas works and what the probable effect of making it work when it is "ailing" will have somewhere down the line. >>>>Wish me luck. I need it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >225, and I hate to think what it might have been 1 and 2 hrs. after >breakfast. One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>>>Wish me luck. I need it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. I know how you feel. When I have eaten something I like, and have indulged more than I think I should, I have more than a little apprehension about what the test will show. I have to tell myself that my reading is what it is, and that testing will not CHANGE what it is, for the better or worse, and that I really SHOULD know what it is, in order to make me think twice before overindulging the next time. I usually talk myself into testing, and sometimes it's lower than I expect, and sometimes higher, but I ALWAYS end up glad I tested. Keep your stick on the ice, Chuck. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) : >One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. : >A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. : I know how you feel. When I have eaten something I like, and have : indulged more than I think I should, I have more than a little : apprehension about what the test will show. I have to tell myself that : my reading is what it is, and that testing will not CHANGE what it is, : for the better or worse, and that I really SHOULD know what it is, in : order to make me think twice before overindulging the next time. : I usually talk myself into testing, and sometimes it's lower than I : expect, and sometimes higher, but I ALWAYS end up glad I tested. : Keep your stick on the ice, Chuck. Just this week I have been having the holiday of Passover. his is a time full of special foods adn lots of sweets sitting in my pantry for my husband adn guests, not hidden in the livingroom, where he ussually keep them(out of sight, ut of mind0> In addition my meal times habve been irregular so I have a late breakfast , no lunch and scremng hungry snack-looking for times about 4-5 PMbefore I am ready to prepare and eat dinner. Soooooo I have been snacking on stuff I shuldn't adn forcing myself to test BEFORE dinner as There is much excess BG hanging around form those evil snacks. One day it wqas 145!!!, so I tooke half a Starlix adn ate a low, zucchini and chicken, carb dinner and my less htan 2 hour reading was 69! so I had 1 piece of gum-drop type "fruit slice" candy. When eating stupidly, it is very important to test not only to know, but to help you decide how to eat less stupidly;-0 I guess confession is good for the soul. Holiday end tonight so hoe to be ack on track tomorrow. Wendy >When eating stupidly, it is very important to test not only to know, but >to help you decide how to eat less stupidly;-0 Love it:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. You know, Chuck - I have enormous respect for someone who can overcome a huge hurdle like alcoholism. Not to mention some of the other trials in your life... it's also great that you have such a strong relationship with your wife. You have the strength and gumption to conquer this, too, using whatever tools are required, whether that's carb control or insulin. You just need to decide to grasp the nettle... Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >>A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Crossing some forum barriers here. Chuck, I was thinking of you as I read an ADA forum post this morning. There is a guy there desperately in need of some help. http://tinyurl.com/5h8pwp Just a thought. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>>One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >>>A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >some help. >http://tinyurl.com/5h8pwp I attempted to post a reply to him, but you must be a subscriber in order to do so. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>>One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >>>>A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >I attempted to post a reply to him, but you must be a subscriber in >order to do so. True. It's free, and I've never had spam or any other problems as a result of registering. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>>>>One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. >>>>>A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >True. It's free, and I've never had spam or any other >problems as a result of registering. According to what I saw I would have to subscribe to the magazine in order to become a member. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>I attempted to post a reply to him, but you must be a subscriber in >>>order to do so. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >According to what I saw I would have to subscribe to the magazine in >order to become a member. Nope. The registration page is here: https://www.diabetes.org/secure/user/newuser.jsp There is a box at the bottom to tick if you want a newsletter; you can leave that unticked. I use a throwaway Yahoo email address for all registrations like this so that never bothers me, but I've never received spam as a result of the ADA registration. You don't have to do anything; just letting you know the real situation. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>>>I attempted to post a reply to him, but you must be a subscriber in >>>>order to do so. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >You don't have to do anything; just letting you know the >real situation. Thank you Alan. Got it and signed up. Don't know how I missed it the first time. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 : One reason I have been avoiding testing one or two hours after eating. : A bit like an ostrich with my head in the sand. Now that you have brought the topic of your numbers up here, it should be a good way to get yourself to strt. Kind of a cofession and now you can do something about it. We will all be glad to keep reminding you:-) We like you and want you to be around her a long time!! If you can remain sober all those years, youcna eat this problem. You just have to find out for ourself what ou can eat at this time, rather than looking to MD's etc who don't live inside your skin. Get cracking and let us know your rsults. Your friend who cares a lot about you, Wendy > [ . . . ] > Wish me luck. I need it. Hey, Gramps! I sure wish you luck in determining the cause of you body's discontent. Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ I am wondering if my sore gums are caused by some hidden infection that might be causing the high numbers. >> [ . . . ] >> Wish me luck. I need it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Take care. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >I am wondering if my sore gums are caused by some hidden infection >that might be causing the high numbers. A definite possibility - but I think it is also your menu. However, if in any doubt, see your periodontist. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... > I am wondering if my sore gums are caused by some hidden infection > that might be causing the high numbers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hey, Gramps! I sure wish you luck in determining the cause of you body's > >discontent. So, Chuck. Do you brush your gums? I use a mixture of 80% Na(Co3)2 and 20% NaCL to prevent gum disease. YMMV How about soft scrambled eggs for brekkie, with a very little oatmeal? Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> I am wondering if my sore gums are caused by some hidden infection >> that might be causing the high numbers. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >So, Chuck. Do you brush your gums? I use a mixture of 80% Na(Co3)2 and 20% >NaCL to prevent gum disease. YMMV Yes. This came on two days after the dentist cleaned my teeth. The somewhat strange thing is that the soreness is a place in my gums where my partial denture sets and there aren't any teeth directly adjacent to it. OTOH, I quite often have an adverse effect for a few days after they have had to scale around the bases of the remaining teeth. >How about soft scrambled eggs for brekkie, with a very little oatmeal? LOL, if I can persuade my wife. She comes down stairs first and usually had breakfast just about ready when I come down the stairs, get the newspaper and do my morning visit to the bathroom. ;-) >Take care. Thank you. I will. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 > On 26 Apr 2008 02:59:24 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >> On 25 Apr 2008 08:39:57 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > days after they have had to scale around the bases of the remaining > teeth. Sounds like your getting a good tooth scraping, Chuck! I've had the same after effect. I just try to position the brush to get the slurry down alongside the teeth. You can also mix a little glycerine with the powders to make a paste. I also do a post rinse with hydrogen peroxide (3 volume). > >How about soft scrambled eggs for brekkie, with a very little oatmeal? > > LOL, if I can persuade my wife. She comes down stairs first and > usually had breakfast just about ready when I come down the stairs, > get the newspaper and do my morning visit to the bathroom. ;-) Hmm! I don't mean to intrude in your family life, Gramps, but it sounds like a training session is in order! ;-D Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On 26 Apr 2008 02:59:24 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> >> >> On 25 Apr 2008 08:39:57 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Take care. I just mentioned hard boiled eggs cut up fine with butter and Mrs. Dash on them and perhaps some bacon for breakfast. She says that sounds real good and will be much lower in carbs then our normal Sunday morning muffins or Pillsbury cinnamon rolls. It will be interesting to see how my after breakfast BG is. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >LOL, if I can persuade my wife. She comes down stairs first and >usually had breakfast just about ready when I come down the stairs, >get the newspaper and do my morning visit to the bathroom. ;-) On that point you need to be very firm. Say it with love - but she needs to understand that your breakfast is probably the most important meal of your day. Make it helpful, not harmful. In my opinion the traditional high-carb breakfast is poisonous for most type 2's. Possibly the kindest way to demonstrate a reason for change is to test in her presence 60 minutes after breakfast and show her the results. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>LOL, if I can persuade my wife. She comes down stairs first and >>usually had breakfast just about ready when I come down the stairs, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >is to test in her presence 60 minutes after breakfast and >show her the results. Will do. She likes my idea of hot hard boiled eggs and bacon for breakfast tomorrow. A change like this is done a day at a time. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 The incredible edible egg! Just before my first bite of breakfast my BG was 92. Absolutely fabulous! I had two hard boiled eggs chopped up with olive oil margarine and Mrs. Dash extra spice. I also had strips of bacon, and a glass of orange Crystal Lite. Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 Grandpa Chuck wrote in message >I had two hard boiled eggs chopped up with olive oil margarine and >Mrs. Dash extra spice. I also had strips of bacon, and a glass of >orange Crystal Lite. > >Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. >It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. I'm very happy for you Chuck. :-) Cheri >Grandpa Chuck wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Cheri So are we. Thanks again for all of the wonderful advise I have gotten from my friend in ASD. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 : The incredible edible egg! : Just before my first bite of breakfast my BG was 92. Absolutely : fabulous! : I had two hard boiled eggs chopped up with olive oil margarine and : Mrs. Dash extra spice. I also had strips of bacon, and a glass of : orange Crystal Lite. : Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. : It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. : The following information gathered from : http://icasualties.org/oif/ : I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. : On April 17, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4037. : United Kingdom = 176 : Other = 133 Good work, Chuck. We knew you coul ddo it. Now just cntinue in much he same way and see what happens. Keep good records both for yu and to show to your doctor, so he wil believe your great progress. Remember, one day at a time. Wendy > The incredible edible egg! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. > It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. Wow... readings like that are such a huge encouragement, aren't they? Congrats! >The incredible edible egg! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. >It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. Great to see. If it gets too boring, try some other choices from here: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/breakfasts.html Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... > The incredible edible egg! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. > It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. Well done Chuck! >The incredible edible egg! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Exactly two hours later my BG was at 127. Another fabulous reading. >It certainly looks like a good beginning on a healthier food plan. Nice numbers Chuck! Since discovering the disastrous effect of cereal on my post-breakfast numbers, I have not varied from my 2-egg, 1 slice of toast breakfast except to add some mushrooms or green onions, sausage, bacon, turkey, etc. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. Exactly two hours later it was 126. I had eaten 2 eggs scrambled and 2 pieces of Canadian bacon along with my orange Crystal Lite. Then I checked my BG just before lunch at 1:00 p.m. and it had gone up to 151 even though I had not eaten anything at all during that time. In other words, it was four hours since I had eaten at all. What gives with that? A late morning liver dump? This just sounds crazy to me. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >In other words, it was four hours since I had eaten at all. What gives >with that? A late morning liver dump? This just sounds crazy to me. That's what I would suspect. Try adding a slice of toast to your breakfast, but only one slice for now. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's what I would suspect. Try adding a slice of toast to your > breakfast, but only one slice for now. I wouldn't add the toast, not with evidence that your pancreatic insulin producing capacity is tanking! I think you may have had a dump because your body is used to running extremely out of control. I think that after a number of weeks of lower carbing, your receptors will be more sensitive and your liver will stop overreacting if you keep the carbs low. You REALLY need to know what your one hour bg is, Chuck, as long as we're yanking heads out of sand. Two hours is too late to catch the peak and make sure you're avoiding damage. Susan > >> [ . . . ] > You REALLY need to know what your one hour bg is, Chuck, as long as > we're yanking heads out of sand. Two hours is too late to catch the > peak and make sure you're avoiding damage. What Susan said! SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >That's what I would suspect. Try adding a slice of toast to your >breakfast, but only one slice for now. Or a small snack of about 10gms carb about 2hrs after breakfast for morning tea. What sort of activity or exercise did you do in the couple of hours prior to lunch, Chuck? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Or a small snack of about 10gms carb about 2hrs after >breakfast for morning tea. That would do it, too. >What sort of activity or exercise did you do in the couple >of hours prior to lunch, Chuck? SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >What sort of activity or exercise did you do in the couple >of hours prior to lunch, Chuck? If we are out as we were this morning my exercise is walking from the car to the stores where we do park away from the store entrances and then around the stores we are in and back out to our car. This morning that was three different stores in different locations. If we are home there may be no exercise up to doing chores around here. Right now the temperature is only 38º F and windy - not condusive to walking. Laurie and I both know we need to start walking with the dogs during the morning now that Spring is here (except for today). We need to start out with about half a mile and slowly increase that to the two miles we formerly walked 3 to 5 times per week. That would not only help me with my BG but it would also help me to start losing weight. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 > If we are out as we were this morning my exercise is walking from the > car to the stores where we do park away from the store entrances and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > week. That would not only help me with my BG but it would also help me > to start losing weight. I find a cappuccino when out has just enough milk to be counted as a small meal (and a liver dump preventative). >>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >That's what I would suspect. Try adding a slice of toast to your >breakfast, but only one slice for now. Sounds good. I miss my whole wheat toast with peanut butter on it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sounds good. I miss my whole wheat toast with peanut butter on it. Try it as mid morning snack instead of with breakfast. >>>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Try it as mid morning snack instead of with breakfast. That sounds more logical. This morning I had a half a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast. Before breakfast I was at 142. One and a half hours later I was at 245. So much for the damned bagels! SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:13:04 +1000, "Ozgirl" > >"Grandpa Chuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Before breakfast I was at 142. One and a half hours later I was at > 245. So much for the damned bagels! I miss bagels, too, Chuck. Maybe try 1/4 of a bagel (with cream cheese, lox, onion and tomato, as desired) for your afternoon snack. Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >This morning I had a half a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast. >Before breakfast I was at 142. One and a half hours later I was at >245. So much for the damned bagels! Well, that sounds like a very bad morning to be experimenting with anything carby, unless that was a liver dump? even then, you want 5-10g carbs, probably, not half a bagel! The bagel may work later in the day. But until you've got your bg sorted out, and can risk experimenting again, you probably ought to lay off them for a while. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >This morning I had a half a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast. >Before breakfast I was at 142. One and a half hours later I was at >245. So much for the damned bagels! G'day G'day Chuck, Delighted to see the progress. You're learning that there is a connection between eating carbohydrate rich foods such as flour based items born in bakeries and high blood glucose. Well done. You can a take a little of the guess work out of the situation either by following some simple guidelines eg avoid anything born in a bakery, avoid highly processed grain products. OR you can consult a website that gives the glycemic load of foods. http://www.glycemicindex.com/ Click on the GI database icon on the left hand side. Food and Manufacturer; Bagel, white, frozen, reheated GI 72 serve (g) 70 carb/serve (g) 35.5 GL 25.6 Here is a summary. The most important one for most people is the last one. That tells us that a typical bagel is going to push a thumping 25 grams of glucose into your blood. Compare that with a peach. It will put about 2 grams of glucose into your blood. See and appreciate the difference it will make to your health and the possibility of a life of enjoyment or suffering. You'd have to eat a DOZEN peaches to compare with that one bagel. Damn the bagels. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin : >"Grandpa Chuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote in message : That sounds more logical. : This morning I had a half a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast. : Before breakfast I was at 142. One and a half hours later I was at : 245. So much for the damned bagels! Half a bagel is the sme a 2 slices of white bread. they really are a problem, particularly in the morning. Wendy >Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >Exactly two hours later it was 126. Chuck, why are you wasting strips testing at 2 hours after a meal like that? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. > Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In other words, it was four hours since I had eaten at all. What gives > with that? A late morning liver dump? This just sounds crazy to me. I need to eat at least 2 hourly to prevent liver dumping. >> Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >> Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I need to eat at least 2 hourly to prevent liver dumping. very interesting and a very good possibility. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >In other words, it was four hours since I had eaten at all. What gives >with that? A late morning liver dump? This just sounds crazy to me. My BG has been between 85 and 100 all day today. even 1 and 2 hours after each meal it hasn't gone above 100. For breakfast I had eggs sunny side up, and hash browns. for Lunch I had hot dogs and yes with buns, For dinner I had mashed Taters and gravy with liver/onions and gravy, cornbread, cream corn, fresh pineapple and cantaloupe. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > For dinner I had mashed Taters and gravy with liver/onions and gravy, > cornbread, cream corn, fresh pineapple and cantaloupe. That dinner would kill me with all those carbs! If the liver and onions didn't get me first! :) >>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >For dinner I had mashed Taters and gravy with liver/onions and gravy, >cornbread, cream corn, fresh pineapple and cantaloupe. Sounds like my kind of dinner. We have a pint of chicken livers thawing the refrigerator so we can have those one day this week. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On April 28, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4055. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 133 >>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Sounds like my kind of dinner. We have a pint of chicken livers >thawing the refrigerator so we can have those one day this week. Chuck - there's no way you could eat that lot safely without insulin. Even then, a meal that Mack can eat without problems would pile weight on you, because of your insulin resistance. The chicken livers are great food - but no mashed potatoes, and gravy thickened without flour, would be best! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I made chicken livers with onion and gravy over faux mashed taters..ie 2 real large potaoes mashed with a head of cauliflower and a splash of heavy cream..dang tasty stuff..zero spike and is enough mash to last em all week with my chicken breast dinners and other meals. KROM >>>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >I made chicken livers with onion and gravy over faux mashed taters..ie 2 >real large potaoes mashed with a head of cauliflower and a splash of heavy >cream..dang tasty stuff..zero spike and is enough mash to last em all week >with my chicken breast dinners and other meals. > >KROM G'day G'day KROM It is great to see someone referring to fauxtato, a mix that is mostly cauliflower. For those who are new to intelligently regulating their carbohydrate intake it is worth noting that five cups of cauliflower provide the same carbohydrate as one cup of mash potato. That makes is easier to have a decent sized meal without getting excess carbohydrate. Thanks for the encouragement, Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Tastes good and is good for you as well! I hate veggies..so simple "tricks" like adding them in tasty ways to foods helps me eat right. a good trick to get kids to eat better as well. KROM >>I made chicken livers with onion and gravy over faux mashed taters..ie 2 >>real large potaoes mashed with a head of cauliflower and a splash of heavy [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Best wishes, >Tastes good and is good for you as well! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >KROM KROM, What a magnificent post. Why on Earth would I say a thing like that? Well I suspect some people who would benefit most from changing their diet to eat more vegetables simply hate vegetables. So to have you say "I hate vegies" goes right to the heart of the issue for them. So does your solution. Many thanks, Hope they find your recipe for fauxtato. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >>>Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. >>>Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Sounds like my kind of dinner. We have a pint of chicken livers >thawing the refrigerator so we can have those one day this week. baked seasoned chicken livers was one of the most popular items on the menu at the last place I cooked, a Greek restaurant. 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M?ck?? <IAM@onewiththegoddess.org> wrote: : >Today my before breakfast FBG was 91. : >Exactly two hours later it was 126. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] |
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