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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008353 to 130
Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my body this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 units of lantus nightly because last week about half of my numbers were in normal range (80ish), I had one hypo and the rest were too high. It was just too unpredictable, but with the best numbers occurring prior to dinner (that makes no sense), it was risking more hypos to inject any more. But now my numbers started going up on Sat. I don't remember exactly. 200ish up to the low 300's. I was not eating anything different than I usually do, although I was making an effort to eat less carbs with the high numbers. This seemed not to help. Was still too high this morning, so I ate very little carbs for breakfast. Ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch. Wouldn't normally eat that much but was starving. The bread was sprouted wheat and flax, the peanut butter natural and the "jelly" was a light smear of all fruit spread. Two hours later my BG was 353! And I could feel it, not only in my feet but my fingers as well. I was afraid to eat dinner tonight, but afraid not to eat because the dietician told me if I didn't get enough carbs, my liver would dump glucose. Plus I felt like I needed to take my meds right then and it's probably not good to take Metformin on an empty stomach. I made mashed potatoes and hamburger gravy for dinner. When I was putting away the leftovers, I licked the spoons. Just the residue off of them. No more. Stopped at the health food store and bought some Just Strawberries. Ate a very few of those. About the equivalent of two large strawberries. By then I was getting hungry and needed some food in my system. Ate a handful of peanuts when I got home. BG came down quite slowly. First 267 then 187 and now 130. But that's over about an 8 hour period so as you can imagine, I don't feel particularly well. I was hoping my Dr. would call me back today, but he did not and he is out of the office tomorrow afternoon, so he might not get back to me until Wed. Sooo annoying. I feel helpless to do anything. If I had some fast acting insulin and knew what to do with it, maybe I could do something. But I don't. I also really need some more strips for the meter. Much as I hate to do it, I will be going with the Contour one once I have used up my remaining box of strips. The nurse said that meter (Ascencia Elite) has been discontinued and the people at Bayer were pushing me to use the Contour. They couldn't understand why I wouldn't use it if I already have it. I don't care that it is faster or that you don't have to code the strips. It's too freaking big and I hate the canister of strips. Oh well... Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. Yeah - what a roller-coaster ride! Will you discuss the fast insulin with the doc? In my experience, once the metformin's in your system it doesn't particularly matter whether you take it with meals or not. I used to get a small - about 20 points - drop if I took it with a meal, but no bad effects if I forgot and took it later. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. > > Yeah - what a roller-coaster ride! Will you discuss the fast insulin > with the doc? I don't know. I don't know if he will want me on that as well. Most likely not. > In my experience, once the metformin's in your system it doesn't > particularly matter whether you take it with meals or not. I used to > get a small - about 20 points - drop if I took it with a meal, but no > bad effects if I forgot and took it later. I was afraid of getting an upset stomach because I am taking so much of it. >>>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I don't know. I don't know if he will want me on that as well. Most likely >not. I'm wondering about instead? It seems to me that your reactions to things can be so off-base that you need a big tool to hit things with, but only when your body needs it, the basal doesn't look too impressive from here... >> In my experience, once the metformin's in your system it doesn't >> particularly matter whether you take it with meals or not. I used to >> get a small - about 20 points - drop if I took it with a meal, but no >> bad effects if I forgot and took it later. > >I was afraid of getting an upset stomach because I am taking so much of it. I think that if you're not reacting badly to it taken with meals, and you've been talking it for a couple of weeks, you'll have much more leeway in when you take it. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>>>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > but only when your body needs it, the basal doesn't look too > impressive from here... I don't know. Woke up to 77 this morning and now am at 283 after lunch. Which is one of the reasons I stopped eating lunch. I found my numbers to be better after dinner if I ate no lunch. But the dietician said it didn't work that way. One reason for the lantus is that it is supposed to not cause hypos like the short acting kind can. But with the gastroparesis, anything's possible. My daughter's friend is type 1 and her mom said she is supposed to give her insulin any time her numbers are over a certain thing. I can't remember exactly. Like 120 or 140. This is in addition to the insulin taken at meals and bedtime. But again, she is a type 1. >>> In my experience, once the metformin's in your system it doesn't >>> particularly matter whether you take it with meals or not. I used to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you've been talking it for a couple of weeks, you'll have much more > leeway in when you take it. Could be. I don't know. >My daughter's friend is type 1 and her mom said she is supposed to give her >insulin any time her numbers are over a certain thing. I can't remember >exactly. Like 120 or 140. This is in addition to the insulin taken at >meals and bedtime. But again, she is a type 1. A basal is there to provide a low-level trickle. You need it if you don't have the capacity yourself to do that, or if the insulin you produce isn't being used properly. I suspect you have plenty of capacity, and the metformin should help the insulin use; but maybe the signals that spark insulin production aren't working well for you. A bolus would allow you to override the amount of insulin in your blood, and hopefully even out some of those highs. Unfortunately, if it is a signaling issue you have, it's not going to stop unexplained lows, as your pancreas kicks in at unpredictable intervals. Something that's definitely worth sitting down with an endo and trying to work through. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>My daughter's friend is type 1 and her mom said she is supposed to give >>her [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > your pancreas kicks in at unpredictable intervals. Something that's > definitely worth sitting down with an endo and trying to work through. Hmmm... Unfortunately he doesn't really handle the insulin stuff. The nurse at the other hospital does that. I still haven't heard back from him. That's one annoying thing. It can take days for him to get back to me. >Hmmm... Unfortunately he doesn't really handle the insulin stuff. The >nurse at the other hospital does that. I still haven't heard back from him. >That's one annoying thing. It can take days for him to get back to me. Would the nurse be able to do you a prescription for a bolus insulin? You need to speak to an organ grinder, not the monkey... Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Hmmm... Unfortunately he doesn't really handle the insulin stuff. The >>nurse at the other hospital does that. I still haven't heard back from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Would the nurse be able to do you a prescription for a bolus insulin? > You need to speak to an organ grinder, not the monkey... Well, *taps fingers on desk* he still hasn't called me back. If he hasn't called by tonight, I will call him. It has sometimes taken three days to hear back from him. Grrr... >>>>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >but only when your body needs it, the basal doesn't look too >impressive from here... I'm assuming they tried a basal first in hopes that it would take some of the load off the pancreas and make it more able to deal with the meals. Since that didn't work maybe adding a bolus will. Then the pancreas will only have to cope with the fine adjustments. Jeez, Julie, you are WEIRD! :( I'm wondering, seriously, if Susan is right and there's some more general endocrine disruption occurring. Another thought, were you ever exposed to something toxic? Of course if it was from a military source you'd never know. But how about the golf course, could you have been exposed to some pesticide? Strange things happen with organophosphates, sheep dip causes permanent damage to some farmers but because it doesn't affect *all* of them our government pretends it doesn't affect anyone. (I can't help thinking of the poor sheep - but since a sheep's principal function appears to be to find new and ever more involved ways to die, how could you tell?) Something very similar has happened with vets and flea treatments - and in that case it IS known to affect some but not all pets as well. >>>>>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Since that didn't work maybe adding a bolus will. Then the pancreas > will only have to cope with the fine adjustments. I'm not sure that it *didn't* work. It seems to be working sometimes and perhaps that's as good as it will ever get. Keep in mind that I do have gastroparesis and if there is food sitting in my stomach, that's going to drive my numbers up. > Jeez, Julie, you are WEIRD! :( > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > be to find new and ever more involved ways to die, how could you > tell?) Yes. When we were living on Cape Cod, I know there was Chlordane in the water. My husband called home in a panic and told us not to drink the water there, but to go buy bottled. Of course my MIL and nephew had been staying with us for about a week. We'd used the water to cook with, made coffee and drank it. I switched to bottled for cooking and drinking, but I was washing produce, myself and our clothes with the tap water because I couldn't afford to do otherwise. There were also times when the military would come around and give us bottles of water. At these times they were doing something to the well (or so they said) and the water came out bright red. If you were washing white clothing at the time, it would become permanently stained red. And my dark blonde hair took on an unflattering red hue because of it. They would post notices on the base channel when this was going to happen, telling us not to wash then. No telling what might have been in our water other places we lived. I only know about the Cape Cod water because it had a name. "Pollution plume!" There were websites about it and one even tracked it. Local townspeople looked down on the base where I was living because that is where it was coming from. Our water in NY was oddly cloudy as it came from the tap. Once it sat for a while, it was clear. I did cook with that but I drank bottled water. In CA, our water would get oddly red for no apparent reason. We drank bottled water there. > Something very similar has happened with vets and flea treatments - > and in that case it IS known to affect some but not all pets as well. Oh dear. I used to use flea treatments on my cat but those are no longer necessary now that she's an inside cat only. >>>>>>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >gastroparesis and if there is food sitting in my stomach, that's going to >drive my numbers up. Yes OK I meant "didn't work well enouigh" >> Jeez, Julie, you are WEIRD! :( >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >Oh dear. I used to use flea treatments on my cat but those are no longer >necessary now that she's an inside cat only. Judas Priest! Unfortunately not only do these chemicals have potentially very different effects on individuals, there's very little work done on cocktails of them. It does sound horribly as if one or more of those exposures may have taken out some other part of your endocrine system. Unfortunately you'd need a far more competent doctor than you've had thus far (unless of course they know what occurred and are covering it up) > Judas Priest! Unfortunately not only do these chemicals have > potentially very different effects on individuals, there's very little [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than you've had thus far (unless of course they know what occurred and > are covering it up) I'm not seeing military Drs. so not likely there is a cover-up of anything. > "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message > > Judas Priest! Unfortunately not only do these chemicals have > > potentially very different effects on individuals, there's very little [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm not seeing military Drs. so not likely there is a cover-up of > anything. Julie, that would be one of the funniest things I've heard you say, were it not so tragically true. Yes. I have relatives, friends, and late friends (one a Life Member of the Agent Orange Health Club), who were screwed by our government. "Thanks for your service. Just go away and quietly die!" Sorry for the rant. This is a real sore spot for me.  SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sorry for the rant. This is a real sore spot for me. Yep. I am very familiar with the Agent Orange thing. I have Fibromyalgia and used to hang out on those boards. Plenty of those people there. > "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Fibromyalgia and used to hang out on those boards. Plenty of those > people there. Ya know, for all their continued suffering, they're the lucky ones. My late friend, Don Nance, was an Airborne Ranger, who had been dropped in Cambodia and Laos, which our government still denies having ever done. One day after he died, a letter from the VA arrived, agreeing that his seven different cancers were service related. We had a beautiful Living Wake, with a couple of hundred of his friends, for him about two weeks before he died. The only time I ever saw him with tears in his eyes. He was one tough old sonuvabitch! Jun met him at the Wake. I can't mention this to her or she'll start crying again. Sorry. This has been gnawing on me all day and I've hoisted many in his memory. ;-( SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ I used to work at a Ranger training camp in Florida...those guys are definitely a different breed. I tell you one thing though they were all very polite to me and never caused me a bit of problems...except for one guy that was getting booted out because he couldn't handle the stress he came into my store and started cussing up a storm..two other rangers came in and one left the other one stayed to keep an eye on the guy..when the guy left the Ranger followed him out of the store..five minutes later the Ranger that cussed came in a begged my forgiveness for having to put up with him...I take it the other two Ranger had a discussion with the guy:) One of the instructor's Father was a retired Ranger and he used to come into the store and talk to me about his years as a Ranger. He volunteered for four Viet Nam tours..and had two plates in his head to prove it. My experience and time spent with those Ranger will stick in my memory forever. >> "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message >> >> "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > start crying again. Sorry. This has been gnawing on me all day and I've > hoisted many in his memory. ;-( > I used to work at a Ranger training camp in Florida...those guys are > definitely a different breed. I tell you one thing though they were all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > experience and time spent with those Ranger will stick in my memory > forever. "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> >> "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message > >> > [ . . . ] Thanks, Jacquie, Although it made me a bit rheumy eyed, I needed that. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ My husband retired from the AF with 30 years..I have met some wonderful people in our travels. My Brother-In-Law served in the Army during Viet Nam. He developed HepC...we are pretty sure it was from drug use...he disappeared for years after he came back, he turned to drugs to help him forget. Today at the age of 59 is now fighting Liver Cancer...they won't be able to do a transplant because the cancer has gotten to one of the arteries...so they are hoping Chemo will help..they told him without treatment he would have 6 months. I hate what wars do to our service men and women:( >> I used to work at a Ranger training camp in Florida...those guys are >> definitely a different breed. I tell you one thing though they were all [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Although it made me a bit rheumy eyed, I needed that. > My husband retired from the AF with 30 years..I have met some wonderful > people in our travels. My Brother-In-Law served in the Army during Viet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > treatment he would have 6 months. I hate what wars do to our service men > and women: [ . . . ] I'm so sorry to hear about your BIL, Jacquie. I know and have known many vets. Most able to adjust, some f*cked up physically, emotionally or both. Some enjoyed the killing. On June 19, 1879, General William Tecumseh Sherman delivered his famous "War Is Hell" speech to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy: ‘Cadets of the graduating class’ – the students arose and saluted – and then changed it to ‘Boys,’ making this statement: ‘I’ve been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It’s entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here. ‘Suppress it! You don’t know the horrible aspects of war. I’ve been through two wars and I know. I’ve seen cities and homes in ashes. I’ve seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is hell!’ SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a hospice in the next day or two. My husband will be flying out tomorrow so he can spend some time with him. From what I understand he is in allot of pain...this is really surprising because it was just three or four weeks ago when they found the cancer and it was only because he pulled a muscle and they decided to do a Catscan and they found the cancer in his liver. He had no pain . Wonder if the Chemo did more damage then they thought it would. My Son's wife's Father is on disability from Viet Nam era. He has post-traumatic stress syndrome...even after this many years he still has night terrors. You're right War is Hell! >> My husband retired from the AF with 30 years..I have met some wonderful >> people in our travels. My Brother-In-Law served in the Army during Viet [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the > skies. I tell you, war is hell!’ > We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, > it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > post-traumatic stress syndrome...even after this many years he still has > night terrors. You're right War is Hell! I'm so sorry to hear about your Brother-in-law, Jaquie. I hope the cancer is curable or operable. I lost my mother and two aunts to it. Cancer is Hell, too. Your husband's a good man. Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ He passed away Friday morning..we can't believe how fast it happened. It really hit my husband hard because he was hoping to see him and talk to him before it was to late. He did talk to him on the phone Thursday night but he was in to much pain to really do any talking...he did get to tell him he loved him though. He will be flying into Columbus Tuesday for the funeral. Thank You for your kindness Nick. Jacquie >> We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, >> it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Your husband's a good man. Take care. > He passed away Friday morning..we can't believe how fast it happened. It > really hit my husband hard because he was hoping to see him and talk to > him before it was to late. He did talk to him on the phone Thursday night > but he was in to much pain to really do any talking...he did get to tell > him he loved him though. He will be flying into Columbus Tuesday for the > funeral. Thank You for your kindness Nick. Sorry to hear that Jacquie. I am glad hubby got to say what he did though. Very sorry for your loss, Jacquie. At least your husband got to tell his brother what was important though. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > He passed away Friday morning..we can't believe how fast it happened. It > really hit my husband hard because he was hoping to see him and talk to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Your husband's a good man. Take care. > He passed away Friday morning..we can't believe how fast it happened. It > really hit my husband hard because he was hoping to see him and talk to > him before it was to late. He did talk to him on the phone Thursday night > but he was in to much pain to really do any talking...he did get to tell > him he loved him though. He will be flying into Columbus Tuesday for the > funeral. Thank You for your kindness Nick. I' so sorry to hear that, Jacquie. I was lucky to have been with both my Dad and Mom when they died (20 years apart). Being able to look them in the eyes and exchange "Good bye. I love you"'s with them far outweighed seeing the light of life go out of their eyes. The subsequent sense of loss never goes away. I hope the funeral is filled with unity and happy remembrances. Bickering has not place at such an occasion. Gird up, Jacquie. He'll need your comfort and strength when he gets home, and you've gotta have enough in reserve to take good care of yourself, too. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, >it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >post-traumatic stress syndrome...even after this many years he still has >night terrors. You're right War is Hell! Oh damn! :( Sympathies is about all I can say. Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he was only 59 years old. >>We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, >>it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sympathies is about all I can say. >Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he was >only 59 years old. Gosh, what a shock to you and to his family! So sorry to hear it : ( Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he was > only 59 years old. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Sympathies is about all I can say. oh, Jacquie, i'm so sorry to hear this my sympathies to his family and friends Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org >Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he was >only 59 years old. <gulp> Well I suppose to look on the good side he didn;t have long to suffer. Which doesn't seem to happen often these days. That probably doesn't help much but my brain's gone a bit numb. Sorry. > On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:18 -0700, "jacquie" > >Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he > >was only 59 years old. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sorry. I wrote a very detailed Health Care Directive to ensure that I won't be caused to linger unnecessarily. All concerned parties have a copy. My wishes will NOT be thwarted. Anyone who wants some ideas can email me at: n_crameratpacbell.net. Comments, suggestions and questions are always welcomed. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:18 -0700, "jacquie" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >n_crameratpacbell.net. Comments, suggestions and questions are always >welcomed. Yes I'm up for that. Bugger, I knew there was someone I was going to email . . . . . . one of our neighbours got Alzheimers, when we moved here he was still at home though not very functional. Once I had to help lift him back into his chair as he'd fallen on the floor and all his muscles had locked up, I nearly ruptured myself as he was over 250 pounds of deadweight. He could still talk at times but his abilities varied wildly. Since then he's been moved into a home. He is now hardly aware of his surroundings. His wife goes 20 miles to visit him several times a week but it's debatable whether he even notices any more. Judging by his physical health they will probably be able to keep him alive for another ten or twenty years - or until her money runs out. <sigh> > On 06 May 2008 06:53:18 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:18 -0700, "jacquie" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yes I'm up for that, Bugger. I knew there was someone I was going to > email . . . [ . . . ] Well, email me. And don't call me "Bugger"! ;-D SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Since then he's been moved into a home. He is now hardly aware of his >surroundings. His wife goes 20 miles to visit him several times a week >but it's debatable whether he even notices any more. > >Judging by his physical health they will probably be able to keep him >alive for another ten or twenty years - or until her money runs out. Gods, how dire! I'd rather die. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Since then he's been moved into a home. He is now hardly aware of his >>surroundings. His wife goes 20 miles to visit him several times a week [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Gods, how dire! I'd rather die. Ditto. Cheri >>>Since then he's been moved into a home. He is now hardly aware of >his [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Ditto. Indeed, I have the means in the house (or garden) to take myself out and fully intend to use it if I am heading in that direction. Since I've spent my life having what are in retrospect obvious symptoms ignored, I do NOT intend for them to change their minds at the last minute and "save" me under such circumstances. Which are scarily common here. :( > On Wed, 7 May 2008 13:37:09 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> > >>On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:37:46 +0100, Trinkwasser [ . . . ] > Indeed, I have the means in the house (or garden) to take myself out > and fully intend to use it if I am heading in that direction. Since > I've spent my life having what are in retrospect obvious symptoms > ignored, I do NOT intend for them to change their minds at the last > minute and "save" me under such circumstances. Which are scarily > common here. :( I think offing myself would set a bad example for my grandkids. That's why I have a Health Care Directive. Eat my SPAM to email me, if you want it. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:18 -0700, "jacquie" >> >Thank You..if you read my note to Nick he passed away Friday morning..he >> >was only 59 years old. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Sorry. > I wrote a very detailed Health Care Directive to ensure that I won't be > caused to linger unnecessarily. All concerned parties have a copy. My > wishes will NOT be thwarted. Anyone who wants some ideas can email me at: > n_crameratpacbell.net. Comments, suggestions and questions are always > welcomed. These "living wills" always make me remember a most telling image from a film I saw decades ago. The hero has decided to committ spectacular suicide by strapping dynamite sticks all round his head and blowing his head off. He leaves a little gap between the sticks to smoke his last cigarette. Then he applies the end of the cigarette to the fuse which he been holding in the other hand so as not to lose it while blinded by the sticks. And waits while it fizzes towards his head. Then suddenly he changes his mind! He flails around blindly trying to find the fuse and extinguish it! He finds it and trying to swat the fuse out loses it again! BOOM! Long shocking pause while plume of smoke rises above headless corpse. I'd hate to lie paralysed and speechless and change my mind, only able to watch helplessly as they disconnect the life-saving apparatus :-( SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:54:18 -0700, "jacquie" > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I'd hate to lie paralysed and speechless and change my mind, only able > to watch helplessly as they disconnect the life-saving apparatus :-( I understand where you're coming from on this, Chris. If I was paralyzed and speechless, under the conditions I describe in my Health Care Directive, it would only be a piece of meat that was being saved. I trust my agent not to do that. Have you read it? SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> > I wrote a very detailed Health Care Directive to ensure that I won't be >> > caused to linger unnecessarily. All concerned parties have a copy. My [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> I'd hate to lie paralysed and speechless and change my mind, only able >> to watch helplessly as they disconnect the life-saving apparatus :-( > I understand where you're coming from on this, Chris. If I was paralyzed > and speechless, under the conditions I describe in my Health Care > Directive, it would only be a piece of meat that was being saved. Perhaps a piece of meat which could dream? And perhaps not only dream, since loss of output capability does not necessarily entail loss of input capability. > I trust > my agent not to do that. Have you read it? No. How does it address those questions? SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > >> > I wrote a very detailed Health Care Directive to ensure that I won't > >> > [ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No. How does it address those questions? Hi Chris, I tried to email you, but cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk doesn't work. Eat my SPAM to email me, if you want, and I'll send it to you. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, >it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >post-traumatic stress syndrome...even after this many years he still has >night terrors. You're right War is Hell! So sorry to hear that. Sympathy and best wishes for him. Alan, T2, Australia. Thank You Alan..He passed away Friday morning...it does bring comfort to know he is no longer in pain. Jacquie >>We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, >>it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Alan, T2, Australia. : >We received a phone call last night , it was my sister in-law, : >it seems my Brother in-law has taken a bad turn...he will be going to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : >post-traumatic stress syndrome...even after this many years he still has : >night terrors. You're right War is Hell! So sorry to hear your news. My heart goes out to you and your husband and the whole family. Wendy >> "Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Sorry for the rant. This is a real sore spot for me. Talking of "military intelligence" did you hear what happened just down the road from here? They found a WW2 bomb washed up on the beach. So the Army decided to tow it out to sea, sink it, attach explosives and blow it up. They managed [1] and [2] then couldn't find where they'd dropped it a week later it turned up again and finally, bang! if you made it up they wouldn;t believe you >>Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I think the reason they say take with meals is so you don't get a tummy upset, from the pill itself. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForJulie > Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my body > this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 units of > lantus nightly because last week about half of my numbers were in normal > range (80ish), I had one hypo and the rest were too high. It was just too > unpredictable, but with the best numbers occurring prior to dinner (that > makes no sense), it was risking more hypos to inject any more. (it makes sense for those who understand that a healthier euglycemic diabetic is a hungrier diabetic) > But now my numbers started going up on Sat. I don't remember exactly. > 200ish up to the low 300's. I was not eating anything different than I > usually do, although I was making an effort to eat less carbs with the high > numbers. This seemed not to help. Was still too high this morning, so I > ate very little carbs for breakfast. Ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich > for lunch. Wouldn't normally eat that much but was starving. This clearly shows that you have in the heart of your soul and in your brain, satan's lie that hunger is bad. Those who know that hunger is wonderful would never write (or say) that they are starving unless they have gone for days to weeks without eating **and** were no longer hungry. May you become smarter: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Apr 22, 11:32 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: snip product of disordered mind. Get help Andrew, you're getting worse. MY >..... Wouldn't normally eat that much but was starving. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they have gone for days to weeks without eating **and** were no longer > hungry. No *reasonable* person, much less a doctor, would ever accuse a patient of being of being influenced by satan for saying she was "starving." Further, no reasonable doc would criticize a patient for using the term to simply mean that she was very hungry. Again you sink lower and lower, Andrew, proving yet again you're seriously mentally ill and unfit to practice medicine. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Wimpsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan > Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my > body this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. Gee willikers, Julie. 353! Glad it's down to normal. Wishing you the best, SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my >> body this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Gee willikers, Julie. 353! Glad it's down to normal. Wishing you the best, Thanks! Wow Julie...hope you can get help soon...it has got to be very frustrating. Jacquie > Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my > body this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. > Wow Julie...hope you can get help soon...it has got to be very > frustrating. Woke up to 77 this morning. More frustrating still! Am really glad I didn't decide to up the lantus last night or I might have had a hypo while sleeping. > > Wow Julie...hope you can get help soon...it has got to be very > > frustrating. > > Woke up to 77 this morning. More frustrating still! Am really glad I > didn't decide to up the lantus last night or I might have had a hypo while > sleeping. Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat and doesn't last 24 hours - it peaks around 8-10-12 hours. Which is - surprise! - when you're seeing your lowest bg's, right? Maybe we have more in common than we both thought, huh? Not that what you and me are seeing is rare. Have you talked to your doc/nurse about splitting the dose? It made a world of difference to me. And 300-something isn't really that big a deal when your dosages are not getting absorbed in a useful fashion. You will figure this out, and I really encourage you to actually listen to those of us who've been using insulin for a good chunk of a century now! It doesn't always work like the idealized pictures the manufacturer's publish, but with a little cleverness and a lot of persistence, you WILL eventually find a pattern of long/short acting that works well for you! Tim. On Apr 22, 1:51 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote: > "jacquie" <happikat...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > didn't decide to up the lantus last night or I might have had a hypo while > sleeping. Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat and doesn't last 24 hours - it peaks around 8-10-12 hours. Which is - surprise! - when you're seeing your lowest bg's, right? Maybe we have more in common than we both thought, huh? I was injecting at 11 and getting up around 7ish. But this number was atypical. I've been told that lantus IS flat and should last close to 24 hours. Now I am not seeing any low numbers at all. BG is in high 200's, high 300's and mid 400's. Seems to climb a bit higher each day, maybe coming down some (but not nearly enough) once a day. Usually after dinner. Not that what you and me are seeing is rare. No. Have you talked to your doc/nurse about splitting the dose? It made a world of difference to me. I don't think that would help. Since the lantus doesn't seem to be helping me at all now. Only thing I can figure is that when I first started taking it, there was some Januvia left in my system. I have no clue how long acting that is. And 300-something isn't really that big a deal when your dosages are not getting absorbed in a useful fashion. You will figure this out, and I really encourage you to actually listen to those of us who've been using insulin for a good chunk of a century now! It doesn't always work like the idealized pictures the manufacturer's publish, but with a little cleverness and a lot of persistence, you WILL eventually find a pattern of long/short acting that works well for you! Yeah. I need to get more tests done. Just wish the Dr. would call me back. > "TimShoppa" <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message >> Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > atypical. I've been told that lantus IS flat and should last close to 24 > hours. Well, in my case at least, they're wrong. It's not flat, it has a real peak at 8-10-12 hours, and while parts of it are kicking around at 24 hours the activity is way way way down from the peak. > Now I am not seeing any low numbers at all. BG is in high 200's, > high 300's and mid 400's. Seems to climb a bit higher each day, maybe > coming down some (but not nearly enough) once a day. Usually after dinner. You know, if had those sorts of numbers and wasn't making any progress in dealing with them, I'd be testing for ketones, calling my doc for directions, and probably showing up in the emergency room shortly after. Sometimes I try to write as if it's not a big deal to have an occasional high number, but if you aren't able to control things at all I think it is time to seriously think about escalating the calls and/or going to the ER. I had previously written: > And 300-something isn't really that big a deal when your dosages are > not getting absorbed in a useful fashion. And now I think I was wrong. If you're in the 300's and 400's all the time, and not getting the help you need, then this is a big deal. Sorry for trying to trivialize what's obviously (now at least) a big deal. If you're at 300 or 400, and you're waiting for the results of a C- peptide or other test to decide what to do about it, then that's wrong too. You need the tools to deal with those numbers and make them be something far more reasonable. Sure, your doc can run a C-peptide test if he wants. But you have to make sure that you're getting your immediate needs addressed, and I don't think you are, and I'm getting increasingly distressed (especially since waking up in the middle of the night) that your nurse/doc aren't giving you what you need either. Tim. On May 4, 9:41 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote: > "TimShoppa" <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message >> Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > atypical. I've been told that lantus IS flat and should last close to 24 > hours. Well, in my case at least, they're wrong. It's not flat, it has a real peak at 8-10-12 hours, and while parts of it are kicking around at 24 hours the activity is way way way down from the peak. > Now I am not seeing any low numbers at all. BG is in high 200's, > high 300's and mid 400's. Seems to climb a bit higher each day, maybe > coming down some (but not nearly enough) once a day. Usually after dinner. You know, if had those sorts of numbers and wasn't making any progress in dealing with them, I'd be testing for ketones, calling my doc for directions, and probably showing up in the emergency room shortly after. Sometimes I try to write as if it's not a big deal to have an occasional high number, but if you aren't able to control things at all I think it is time to seriously think about escalating the calls and/or going to the ER. I asked and was told I didn't need to check for ketones. As for the ER, I have a feeling they would do nothing and tell me to see my Dr. I had previously written: > And 300-something isn't really that big a deal when your dosages are > not getting absorbed in a useful fashion. And now I think I was wrong. If you're in the 300's and 400's all the time, and not getting the help you need, then this is a big deal. Sorry for trying to trivialize what's obviously (now at least) a big deal. That's what I think too. If you're at 300 or 400, and you're waiting for the results of a C- peptide or other test to decide what to do about it, then that's wrong too. You need the tools to deal with those numbers and make them be something far more reasonable. Sure, your doc can run a C-peptide test if he wants. But you have to make sure that you're getting your immediate needs addressed, and I don't think you are, and I'm getting increasingly distressed (especially since waking up in the middle of the night) that your nurse/doc aren't giving you what you need either. I don't think I am either. *sigh* >> "TimShoppa" <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message >>> Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Tim. a c-peptide test isn't going to change the fact that the Lantus dose is too low and it looks like a meal time insulin needs to be added Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org >>> "TimShoppa" <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message >>>> Honestly don't see what the mystery is, Julie. Lantus in me isn't flat [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > a c-peptide test isn't going to change the fact that the Lantus dose is > too low and it looks like a meal time insulin needs to be added That's true too. Oddly, I don't seem to be spiking after most meals. BG is pretty much staying the same, but too high. We'll see how it is today. Down to the mid 200's. Julie Bove wrote in message ... >BG came down quite slowly. First 267 then 187 and now 130. But that's over >about an 8 hour period so as you can imagine, I don't feel particularly [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. I hope so too. Sounds like a real roller coaster for you. Cheri > Julie Bove wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I hope so too. Sounds like a real roller coaster for you. Yep. Hi Julie, I'm wondering if there's something counter-intuitive going on here, like you're getting liver dumps in spite of the extra food you've been eating since going on the lantus. I don't pretend to know anything about insulins, but have read enough on the newsgroup to know you're not getting the "usual" results. Hope you get some answers soon! SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > Woo ha! Was that ever not fun! I don't know what is going on with my > body this week but it ain't good. The nurse told me to stay with the 14 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be better. > Hi Julie, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hope you get some answers soon! Not likely I'd be getting liver dumps, considering I have to eat a meal every 4 to 5 hours and go no longer. Prior, I was eating breakfast, then dinner about 8 hours later, then a snack about 7 hours later. Dietician told me this was no good because I would be getting liver dumps from eating this way. >Not likely I'd be getting liver dumps, considering I have to eat a meal >every 4 to 5 hours and go no longer. Prior, I was eating breakfast, then >dinner about 8 hours later, then a snack about 7 hours later. Dietician >told me this was no good because I would be getting liver dumps from eating >this way. I used to get strong signals when I was getting a diet-induced liver dumps - I'd feel really hungry for a short time, then Bam! liver dump. Ones I get through exercise are silent. Are you getting any signals? Also, you test a lot - are you noticing smooth rises, which are presumably insulin/glucose related, or sudden sharp jerks, which may be more liver dumps? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Not likely I'd be getting liver dumps, considering I have to eat a meal >>every 4 to 5 hours and go no longer. Prior, I was eating breakfast, then [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > presumably insulin/glucose related, or sudden sharp jerks, which may > be more liver dumps? I'm rarely ever hungry. And the rise I see is not usually slow. I went from 77 prior to breakfast to 267 after lunch. I didn't test in the meantime because I am running out of strips. My prescription was only for 3 per day. I used to usually test only twice daily, so I had some reserve strips, but I've been testing now 4 times a day. Would be more but the nurse felt 3 per day was all I needed to do. Hopefully I can get the Endo. to prescribe more for me. After dinner I was at 308. Wasn't able to test before dinner, but put the dinner off because I hate eating when my numbers are that high. Tonight I ate the exact same dinner as I did when I had that hypo the other day. My BG was too high before dinner then too. I tested again two hours after that and it was down to 223. I haven't been exercising with these high numbers because I just feel like crap and I fear that exercise at such high numbers could be a bad thing. Today I am fighting muscle cramps and twitches all over. I don't know if I've gotten dehydrated or the fibromyalgia has kicked back in or what, but it's damned painful. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForJulie > >>Not likely I'd be getting liver dumps, considering I have to eat a meal > >>every 4 to 5 hours and go no longer. Prior, I was eating breakfast, then [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'm rarely ever hungry. Not good. > And the rise I see is not usually slow. I went > from 77 prior to breakfast to 267 after lunch. I didn't test in the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I've gotten dehydrated or the fibromyalgia has kicked back in or what, but > it's damned painful. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) in Jesus' awesome name. Amen. <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels > <>< <-----don't worship the fish chung.. have chips with it > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam ] share your comments on chung and his spam at: http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels >But now my numbers started going up on Sat. I don't remember exactly. >200ish up to the low 300's. Hi Julie I've refrained from comment because I have no idea how to help. However, I was browsing through old Endocrine Today articles and saw this: http://www.endocrinetoday.com/view.aspx?rid=26873 You have very little in common with a "Lean white male in no acute distress, 145 lb, heart rate 80, blood pressure 134 mm Hg/90 mm Hg, BMI 21. Dry skin; remainder of the exam was completely unremarkable. Chem 12 is normal, LDL cholesterol elevated at 121, urine microalbumin normal." But this bit may interest you: "While he had initially responded to oral treatment, HbA1c from three months ago was elevated at 8.9%. The patient was testing his blood glucose levels regularly several times per day, with levels consistently in the 200s and 300s." In reading the rest I was a bit annoyed at the total lack of mention of the patient's diet; the article may be totally irrelevant to your situation but possibly there are a few ideas there that may be relevant. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html >>But now my numbers started going up on Sat. I don't remember exactly. >>200ish up to the low 300's. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > irrelevant to your situation but possibly there are a few > ideas there that may be relevant. I will read it. As far as diet goes, nothing much helps me there. I do seem to have to eat *some* carbs but not too many and low carbing just doesn't help me at all. If anything, it makes my numbers worse. I saw my chiropractor today and he says something is very wrong and he thinks my Drs. are going about this all wrong. He didn't know what to do though. He told me to see the naturopath next door. She wasn't in. Not sure what all help she can be, although she may be able to steer me to something to help with dehydration. I see the nurse again tomorrow. |
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