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Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not smoking. $ 1127 cigarettes not smoked Money saved: $225.53. Life saved: 3 days, 21 hours, 55 minutes. Thank You Chantix Jeeze, this battle isn't getting easier. Got a double hernia surgery upcoming, so as usual, never a dull moment........................ Thanks for the email Bev. I was just thinking of you. Hope the rest of you folks have nothing but good things happening around you. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Hope the rest of you folks have nothing but good things happening > around you. Sorry to hear about the surgery, but glad you got off the smokes! >> Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >> smoking. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Sorry to hear about the surgery, but glad you got off the smokes! Thanks Julie. I'm still doing the ciggs not "One Day at a Time", but "One Half Hour at a Time" 45 years of heavy smoking sure is a bitch of a monkey on my back. I plan on making it this time. I just keep hoping that it's going to get easier. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi >>> Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >>> smoking. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >a monkey on my back. I plan on making it this time. I just keep hoping >that it's going to get easier. It will. I smoked for about 35 years, and had a 40-cigarette per day habit when I quit in 1993. It took some doing, but it does get easier. Unlike many other good things I have done, I have never regretted quitting.  SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>> Hope the rest of you folks have nothing but good things happening >>>> around you. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Unlike many other good things I have done, I have never regretted >quitting. Thanks for the encouragement Oleg. It is appreciated Three weeks, three days, 10 hours, 42 minutes and 57 seconds. 1466 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.35. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi >Three weeks, three days, 10 hours, 42 minutes and 57 seconds. >1466 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.35. >Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes. Ya know, there's a tiny little program you can download for free that sits on your Windows taskbar & lets you know, at all times when on the computer, how many days, seconds, hours, weeks, and $$ you have saved since you quit. Maybe you're using it. LOL I quit on March 9, 1991, I believe a Thursday, in the afternoon, 3 or 4, but, then who is counting, right? <G> It gets better. You couldn't pay me to smoke smoke smoke those cigarettes now! Signature: ^> DonnaB Yahoo Msgr: shallotpeel <*> http://tinyurl.co.uk/h193 http://tinyurl.co.uk/wdp8 http://tinyurl.co.uk/byv9 "Women do two thirds of the world's work ... Yet they earn only one tenth of the world's income & own less than one percent of the world's property. They are among the poorest of the world's poor. " - Barber B. Conable, Jr. >I quit on March 9, 1991, I believe a Thursday, in the afternoon, 3 or 4, but, >then who is counting, right? <G> > >It gets better. You couldn't pay me to smoke smoke smoke those cigarettes now! I quit on Friday the 13th of March, 1981. Now my worst nightmare is that I not only smoked a cigarette but that I enjoyed it! -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking BettyB said... > I quit on Friday the 13th of March, 1981. Now my worst nightmare is > that I not only smoked a cigarette but that I enjoyed it! BettyB, It all comes back to breast feeding. The motions we go through somtimes! I'd sue the tobacco companies, if I had the time to waste. Best, Andy Gave 'em up on September 1, 2004, 10AM, cold turkey. Andy said... > Gave 'em up on September 1, 2004, 10AM, cold turkey. I might add, the best Wednesday of my life!!! Andy >>>>> Hope the rest of you folks have nothing but good things happening >>>>> around you. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >1466 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.35. >Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes. Keep fighting the good fight, Sleepy. It's well worth it. You are coming along well, but there will still be temptations along the way. Fortunately, they get farther between and less compelling. Remember, we're pulling for you. We're all in this together. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >Three weeks, three days, 10 hours, 42 minutes and 57 seconds. >1466 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.35. >Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes. Wow, fantastic, Sleepy! Keep it up! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>> Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >>> smoking. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >a monkey on my back. I plan on making it this time. I just keep hoping >that it's going to get easier. Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of constipation. Eh well, I'm quit now, so just one cigarette to move my bowels can't hurt I LIED! Best of luck to you on all counts >Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Best of luck to you on all counts That's the trap they I fear most. I am getting that "you can have just one, one won't hurt you" message to my brain from the nicotine, CO1, CH4, cyanide, et al. I guess it is like an alcoholic trying to stay away from that first drink This too shall pass away (I hope) Three weeks, three days, 10 hours, 46 minutes and 1 second. 1466 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.38. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi >>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >This too shall pass away (I hope) Yup, I reminded myself of some junkies I once helped to quit. We took them out into the wilds, to a friend's farm, and when they were over the worst of the cold turkey we gave them gardually increasing levels of things to do, country walks, good food (and home grown to take away the edge), they did suprisingly well until the journey home "Well we're not addicted any more so perhaps we will just have a little line, just for the road trip" <sigh> >Three weeks, three days, 10 hours, 46 minutes and 1 second. 1466 >cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.38. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 10 >minutes. Go Sleepy Go Sleepy . . . >>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Go Sleepy Go Sleepy . . . Oh ya the jones does a lot of talking to you. What drives me up the wall (amongst other things) is every time I walk into a store, I am confronted with racks of cigarettes, and I can legally feed my habit for a few dollars. Well, as Roseane Roseannadanna would say, "It's always something" Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi On 4/26/08 2:19 PM, in article ks671455d89u2q7ckbn83vdb4cflejr9sj@4ax.com, >>>> Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>> anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Mohandas K Gandhi You need to come here for awhile (Vancouver). The provincial government put more restrictive tobacco rules in place recently. Shopkeepers can no longer display cigarettes and tobacco products where "children" under 19 are allowed. I haven't noticed what they're doing because there weren't many places that openly displayed them anyway. But it would sure help you now. Keep up the good work. I found that when I didn't kill anyone in the first week that I might have a chance. It does get better. "Every day and every way, I am getting better and better". Don't remember what religion said that. Good luck. I quit 26 years ago and I wouldn't go back for anything. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >On 4/26/08 2:19 PM, in article ks671455d89u2q7ckbn83vdb4cflejr9sj@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >way, I am getting better and better". Don't remember what religion said >that. Good luck. I quit 26 years ago and I wouldn't go back for anything. I would love to live in Vancouver with or without the cigarette displays. I hear it is a wonderful place helped greatly by the warmer ocean currents. That said, I have to say that the hiding of smokes is a marvelous idea! Sleepy --------------------------------- Perfect order is the forerunner of perfect horror. -Carlos Fuentes (b.1928) >I would love to live in Vancouver with or without the cigarette >displays. I hear it is a wonderful place helped greatly by the warmer [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sleepy The day will come, Sleepy, when you remember vaguely that you used to smoke and wonder why you ever did. It was gradual for me, but within a few months it became something I used to do, like going to school or worrying about zits and girls. Past history. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >>>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >for a few dollars. Well, as Roseane Roseannadanna would say, "It's >always something" You know, you have just made me realize that my cynical feeling about of Saskatchewan's laws might have been in error. In Saskatchewan, anyone selling tobacco products must keep them out of sight. If you walk into any convenience store, supermarket or gas station that sells cigarettes, you will not see them advertised, nor will you see the products themselves. Usually they are in a cupboard or behind a curtain on shelves, but definitely out of sight. If a retailer is caught displaying them so the public can see them, he will be prohibited from selling them any more. Until just now, when I read your comment, I had always looked at this law as a bit of foolishness. I'll never see it that way again. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >Until just now, when I read your comment, I had always looked at this >law as a bit of foolishness. I'll never see it that way again. Saskatchewan and B.C.? The idea is catching. Three weeks, six days, 21 hours, 12 minutes and 3 seconds. 1673 cigarettes not smoked, saving $334.60. Life saved: 5 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes. Sleepy --------------------------------- Perfect order is the forerunner of perfect horror. -Carlos Fuentes (b.1928) >>>>>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Saskatchewan and B.C.? The idea is catching. It must be! At the time I left Vancouver to move here, the retailers were not required to hide the smokes. Saskatchewan passed the law in 2005, I think. It's nice to know that BC did it too. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>>>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>>>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >were not required to hide the smokes. Saskatchewan passed the law in >2005, I think. It's nice to know that BC did it too. <falls over> I hadn't realised anyone was actually doing this yet. >>>>>>>>Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>>>>>anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > >I hadn't realised anyone was actually doing this yet. Hmm... if "by doing this", you mean hiding the smokes, yes, they definitely are. On the other hand, if you are referring to me moving to Saskatchewan from Vancouver, I know it's hard to believe. Even Saskatchewan folks have a hard time believing that I came here willingly. They begin to understand when I speak about fleeing the pollution, traffic, crowds, and really poor skies (astronomically speaking). I also like the definite changes of season. I lived most of my life in Vancouver, and loved it dearly, but the four seasons (starting from winter) are pretty much cold and wet, slightly warmer and wet, quite warm and wet, slightly colder and wet. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>It must be! At the time I left Vancouver to move here, the retailers >>>were not required to hide the smokes. Saskatchewan passed the law in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Hmm... if "by doing this", you mean hiding the smokes, yes, they >definitely are. Yes that was that to which I was referring, yes I just recalled a stroy from a colleague who was visiting Canada (can't remember where) some years back when he was invited outside "for a smoke": he went expecting a joint but no it was just a cigarette We now have no smoking indoors virtually anywhere but they haven't (yet) done other than talking about actually hiding the tobacco products >On the other hand, if you are referring to me moving to Saskatchewan >from Vancouver, I know it's hard to believe. Even Saskatchewan folks [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >pretty much cold and wet, slightly warmer and wet, quite warm and wet, >slightly colder and wet. I knew someone with a signature Seattle Rainfest enters second week only 50 more weeks to go I guess Vancouver's not that far away Yes I made a highly similar move, said goodbye to "civilisation" and discovered *Real* civilisation On 4/29/08 9:12 PM, in article r3sf14lodg6e5n265sub8b1i5db5covhlr@4ax.com, >>>>>>>>> Just don't do what I did, quit for my surgery (contraindicated with >>>>>>>>> anesthetics), stayed quit until I had one monster attack of [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > pretty much cold and wet, slightly warmer and wet, quite warm and wet, > slightly colder and wet. Come on Larry. You exaggerate. It doesn't rain every day. In fact since you've left town, we alternate between monsoons and droughts. Yes we have had water rationing for a short time and I haven't had to wear wellies to get around---yet. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >> On the other hand, if you are referring to me moving to Saskatchewan >> from Vancouver, I know it's hard to believe. Even Saskatchewan folks [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >had water rationing for a short time and I haven't had to wear wellies to >get around---yet. Apparently it never stopped while I was away; SWMBO had to reduce the pool level 8 times to stop it overflowing. That's equivalent to about 20" of rain over 7 weeks. Of course, now that I'm home all is sunshine again:-) Bit chilly though. It's getting towards winter. Down to 15C(60F) last night and only in the low 20s(70s) during the day. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Is Testing Worthwhile? and Cambodia http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html >On 4/29/08 9:12 PM, in article r3sf14lodg6e5n265sub8b1i5db5covhlr@4ax.com, >> On the other hand, if you are referring to me moving to Saskatchewan [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >had water rationing for a short time and I haven't had to wear wellies to >get around---yet. Yes, I exaggerate a little, but compared to Saskatchewan, Vancouver is like a rain forest. We get big dumps of snow in winter, lots of rain in spring, and that's about it. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >Oh ya the jones does a lot of talking to you. What drives me up the >wall (amongst other things) is every time I walk into a store, I am >confronted with racks of cigarettes, and I can legally feed my habit >for a few dollars. Well, as Roseane Roseannadanna would say, "It's >always something" They're talking of making it illegal to have cigarettes and tobacco on open display here, they would have to be kept behind a curtain "Something for the weekend sir?" > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mohandas K Gandhi woo hoo Sleepy! ! ! you rock, and i know that you will MAKE IT this quit ! congratulations kate >> Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >> smoking. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >kate T.Y. kate Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman wrote in message ... >Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >smoking. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Sleepy Sleepy, congratulations on not smoking...You're on your way to being an ex-smoker for good. Best with your surgery, and post when you get a chance to let us know how it went. I wish Bev would post more too...I miss both of you. Cheri >Sleepyman wrote in message ... >>Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Cheri Thanks Cheri. My PCP diagnosed the hernias, though one is so big it can't be missed. I couldn't get a surgeons appt. until mid-next month, so I have no idea when the work will eventualy be done. I wish I posted more too, but I have been into a year long tug-of-war with my demons, and the demons have been ahead, though with any luck, and a change in the weather, this too shall pass. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman wrote in message <65nh049m0prun1j88dqr6gm842lk357f8o@4ax.com>... >>Sleepyman wrote in message ... >>>Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Sleepy I'm always pulling for you Sleepy. :-) Cheri >Sleepyman wrote in message ><65nh049m0prun1j88dqr6gm842lk357f8o@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Cheri Thanks Cheri, I guess that fascist support can't be all bad...... Three weeks, three days, 11 hours, 5 minutes and 26 seconds. 1467 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.54. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman wrote in message ... >Thanks Cheri, I guess that fascist support can't be all bad...... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Sleepy LOL, just be careful with the quit. Be aware that it isn't ever just one cigarette when your mind tells you that just one won't hurt, and be aware of the 3 month killer cravings. A lot of friends and family have had problems at that time, but the ones that made it through, stayed quit. You've got such a great start, and you will make it. :-) Cheri >Sleepyman wrote in message ... >>Thanks Cheri, I guess that fascist support can't be all bad...... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Cheri I do know I need to be careful with the quit believe me. I have tried way too many times before, not to know of some of the pratfalls. I did not know of the 3 month killer craving thing. The longest quit I ever had was 13 weeks. Sounds like 3 months and one week to me. Thanks for the heads up. I know you don't have insurance, but Chantix cost about $125.00/mo. I used to spend a lot more than that on smokes....... Three weeks, four days, 1 hour, 15 minutes and 12 seconds. 1503 cigarettes not smoked, saving $300.63. Life saved: 5 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman wrote in message ... >I know you don't have insurance, but Chantix cost about $125.00/mo. I >used to spend a lot more than that on smokes....... Are you insinuating that I'm still smoking and would have a use for Chantix? ;-) Cheri >Sleepyman wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Cheri Insinuate? Moi? Oh come now. Have you given up the habit? I hope so, but unfortunately I doubt it. Give the Chantix a bid, that is of course if my "insinuation" (LOL) is correct. Three weeks, four days, 17 hours, 52 minutes and 39 seconds. 1544 cigarettes not smoked, saving $308.93. Life saved: 5 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman said... > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sleepy Sleepy, Hope the surgery goes well. Don't forget to ask for ice cream in recovery. :) Good for you giving up smoking! Just keep your attention on the money not spent! Best, Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) I gave up smoking 3 Years, 7 Months, 2 Weeks, 3 Days, 2 hours, 44 minutes and 23 seconds ago. I've saved $10,600.90 by not smoking 53,004 cigarettes. I've saved 6 Months, 3 Days and 1 hour of my life. I gave them up on 9/1/2004 10:00 AM. Cold turkey. >Sleepyman said... > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Andy Hi Andy! I see you are doing very very well with the cold turkey quit. Keep up the good work. Here's hoping your diabetes is in as good a shape as your lungs. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepyman said... >>Sleepyman said... >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Sleepy Sleepy, I did all kinds of crazy stuff. Gave up smoking (I don't use the word "quit" for a positive accomplishment), became a gourmet cook, put on the pounds, got gout, etc., etc., diabetes, etc., etc., dropped 50 lbs. and finally came to my senses and my body agrees, I think. ;) Don't look back but at the same time, don't forget. I know [sigh] how profound! Best Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) P.S. I was ribbing you about the ice cream. Just a memory from my tonsilitus. --A > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thank You Chantix Way to go Sleepy. I haven't kept exact count, but my last cigarette was on Aug. 31, 2007. Chantix helped there too. Keep up the good work. It does get easier. Larry > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mohandas K Gandhi Good job, Sleepy! Hope the surgery goes smoothly. Keep us posted. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise On 4/18/08 7:47 AM, in article cech04teki03ojqkapqfmap4sl7oq3rlkh@4ax.com, > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mohandas K Gandhi Congratulations on your efforts to stop smoking. I remember the anguish well. Good luck on your hernia surgery. My husband had a very large but single hernia repaired last month. Hope things go well for you. As an onlooker I can only speculate on the discomfort. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia Way to go Sleepy, good luck with the hernia op. > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mohandas K Gandhi > Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not > smoking. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sleepy Have you noticed any side effects? Nightmares? Suicidal thoughts? Not that I expect you to, but my wife doesn't want me to take Chantix because of anecdotal data from an on-line friend of hers who tried it. Bill "Got a light?" Hileman >> Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >> smoking. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Bill "Got a light?" Hileman Hi Bill, So far I have had no side effects other than minor fleeting instances of nausea. Of course side effects are custom made, and you never know which, or how many of them you will get. To me, the benefit of quitting was greater than the minute odds on me going crazy (er) Nightmares are ok. I like to dream. Haven't had any of those either. Three weeks, three days, 11 hours, 11 minutes and 55 seconds. 1467 cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.59. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi You do realize that the hours you are adding to your life are the drooling dribbling hours at the end :-) The best and only way to give up smoking is to not *BUY* any makes the rest easy. Still smokin (- -) =m=(_)=m= RodS T2 Australia > Three weeks, three days, 11 hours, 11 minutes and 55 seconds. 1467 > cigarettes not smoked, saving $293.59. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 15 > minutes. > > Sleepy >You do realize that the hours you are adding to your life are the >drooling dribbling hours at the end :-) >The best and only way to give up smoking is to not *BUY* any makes the >rest easy. > >Still smokin Like hell, Rod - what he's doing is avoiding the years with emphysema, when you wish you were dead! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >You do realize that the hours you are adding to your life are the >drooling dribbling hours at the end :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >RodS T2 >Australia Nope. Did that in '97. Then started bumming off my mates. Which became a gradually diminishing group of mates. I re-started eventually. Gave up finally 28 May 2001. At 2 to 3 packs a day that was about 125000 cancer sticks ago. You might find this old post of mine interesting, Rod: http://tinyurl.com/6s65y2 Years ago, when I was still a heavy smoker I attended a seminar by an Aussie doctor named Tickell. A lot of what he said stuck, even though I didn't act on it immediately. Unfortunately he has since changed to a high-carb approach, but this phrase I remembered: "It is impossible to smoke and look intelligent at the same time". Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering... >Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >smoking. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Mohandas K Gandhi Sleepy! So good to see you posting. Congrats on the move to a nicotine free life. Just as a side note, for every cigarette you don't smoke now, you'll heal much more easily from your surgery later. Think of it as an investment in positive healing - the body can focus on healing your surgery and not on trying to fight whatever is in the cigs. I wish you well, and I'm glad to see you back. Laura >Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >smoking. >$ 1127 cigarettes not smoked >Money saved: $225.53. >Life saved: 3 days, 21 hours, 55 minutes. G'day G'day Sleepyman, You're special. You really DO know what you're achieving. Now that's incredible. Something that could be a powerful asset. Maybe you would like to set yourself a target, something you're saving for. A personal pleasure you would not otherwise have had. >Thank You Chantix > >Jeeze, this battle isn't getting easier. > >Got a double hernia surgery upcoming, so as usual, never a dull >moment........................ Life it like that. >Thanks for the email Bev. I was just thinking of you. > >Hope the rest of you folks have nothing but good things happening >around you. As I mentioned earlier, you're special. I'm sure others will also appreciate that coming from you when you're going through a difficult patch. >Sleepy > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mohandas K Gandhi Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >>Two weeks, four days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 50 seconds.of not >>smoking. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You're special. You really DO know what you're achieving. >Now that's incredible. Something that could be a powerful asset. That means a lot to me Q. Especially considering your own problems. I expect I will survive these trials and tribulations. I wish the same could be said....... >Maybe you would like to set yourself a target, something you're saving >for. A personal pleasure you would not otherwise have had. I had thought about treating myself to a tour of some new (to me) U. S. Civil War battle sites, always a favorite thing of mine. Of course with the price of oil headed to the stratosphere, who knows if I will be able to afford to put a few thousand miles on the car, at what price. >>Thank You Chantix >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Life it like that. It sure enough is. I hope you don't have any new negatives in your own life. >>>Thanks for the email Bev. I was just thinking of you. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >appreciate that coming from you when you're going through a difficult >patch. You known Q, I wish I were worthy of being called special by the most special person here. Though far from earned, I appreciate your words very much.. Thank You...... >>Sleepy >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Best wishes, Three weeks, three days, 13 hours, 52 minutes and 10 seconds. 1474 cigarettes not smoked, saving $294.93. Life saved: 5 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes. Sleepy ------------------------------------- Religion itself is outraged, When outrage is commited in it's name. Mohandas K Gandhi >>Maybe you would like to set yourself a target, something you're saving >>for. A personal pleasure you would not otherwise have had. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >if I will be able to afford to put a few thousand miles on the car, at >what price. I'm guessing you will given the savings. They say petrol has gone up 16% here. It feels like much much more. Let's say it is 20% where you live. That will put some people off. The tour operators want to stay in business. They have wives and kids to feed. (One wife per operator assuming they are men. <grin> ) So there are likely to discounted tours. Maybe a bus or train tour is an option. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >>>Maybe you would like to set yourself a target, something you're saving >>>for. A personal pleasure you would not otherwise have had. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Best wishes, Most of the bus or train tours around here are senior citizens groups going on foliage or tourist trap trips. On top of that I prefer to captain my own ship, and thus master my own destiny. "Petrol" prices have risen by some large amounts. May 2006 - $1.98/gal May 2007 - $3.10/gal May 2008 - $3.43/gal I did a bit of searching for that price. The average price around town is $3.55/gal The exchange rate is 1 NZD= 0.7772 U.S. Dollars. I would expect that due to taxes your price is probably higher. Even though travel probably won't be my treat, instead, I kind of want to build a new Quad-Core computer. That will be fun. PS to my American friends in asd, Goggle "Cheap Gas" and you will find all kinds of sites where you enter your zip code, and you get listings and maps of and to the lowest priced prices in your area. I just saved 12 cents a gallon on an 18 gallon fill up. Only a savings of $2.16, but savings over the course of a year? Three weeks, six days, 21 hours, 42 minutes and 27 seconds. 1674 cigarettes not smoked, Saving $334.85. Life saved: 5 days, 19 hours, 30 minutes. Sleepy --------------------------------- Perfect order is the forerunner of perfect horror. -Carlos Fuentes (b.1928) On 4/27/08 10:24 AM, in article 2cc914pe8jet9ck5lrdtj6ovke7v2vmm0n@4ax.com, >>>> Maybe you would like to set yourself a target, something you're saving >>>> for. A personal pleasure you would not otherwise have had. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > -Carlos Fuentes (b.1928) Gasoline hit $131.5 a liter this morning in Vancouver. (Multiply by 3.8 to get a US gallon. That's $5.00 a US gallon.) SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >Gasoline hit $131.5 a liter this morning in Vancouver. (Multiply by 3.8 to >get a US gallon. That's $5.00 a US gallon.) UKP 1.08 here this morning - I make that $8.20 US for a gallon. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Gasoline hit $131.5 a liter this morning in Vancouver. (Multiply by 3.8 to >>get a US gallon. That's $5.00 a US gallon.) > >UKP 1.08 here this morning - I make that $8.20 US for a gallon. Diesel just went up to 1.19 today They told us NOT to panic buy during the refinery strike, well f.ck THAT! it just went up TWICE in the same week Meanwhile BP and Shell announce record profits again. With the warmer weather I'm back to 59 mpg . . .as so many people have switched to diesel cars so they've put the price up to 10p/litre more than petrol. Dunno what the bulk price is for hauliers but this will put up the price of everything. (UK gallon is 4.54609 litres) >>>Gasoline hit $131.5 a liter this morning in Vancouver. (Multiply by 3.8 to >>>get a US gallon. That's $5.00 a US gallon.) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >(UK gallon is 4.54609 litres) The town I live near (2.5 miles) just approved the building of a BioFuel plant. They figure on creating 200 million litres of biodiesel per year. First sod is due to be turned in mid-May, and they expect it to go into full production in about 10 months. Unfortunately, the government is unlikely to allow biofuels to be lower in taxes, so who knows what awaits the consumer. In case anyone is interested, the BioFuel outfit's web site is at http://www.cangreenfuels.ca There's a PDF with the press release about the new plant. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>Diesel just went up to 1.19 today >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >There's a PDF with the press release about the new plant. I'll have a look at that later. Yes they're pressing for the addition of biofuels to petrol and diesel here too, that way (mixing them in) they do away with the possibility of tax breaks. In addition to biodiesel from rape (relatively easy and cost effective) they're doing ethanol from wheat and sugar beet, I believe there are several plants under construction. Hopefully this will lead to a lower carb diet but in practice it'll probably mean mass starvation in the Third World <sigh> >>>Diesel just went up to 1.19 today >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >to a lower carb diet but in practice it'll probably mean mass >starvation in the Third World <sigh> There's a big incentive for farmers to sell their crops into the food chain. It's price. The biofuels outfits can use substandard product; heated (sprouted), cracked, etc. and they pay less for it than the food grades. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>In addition to biodiesel from rape (relatively easy and cost >>effective) they're doing ethanol from wheat and sugar beet, I believe [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >heated (sprouted), cracked, etc. and they pay less for it than the >food grades. Yes that's true *now* but until this year wheat here was barely breaking even in a poor year, there had been comparatively more rape, peas, borage and other crops more likely to be profitable. Now they've put a lot of land back to wheat on the back of current prices. I read something about the prices paid for sugar beet for biofuel, but can't remember what it was now, I think it was quite competitive with the price from the sugar mills but then that had been dropping in recent years. Man I'm glad I'm not a farmer. Everyone else makes the profit from the food business except the guys who grow it. >>>In addition to biodiesel from rape (relatively easy and cost >>>effective) they're doing ethanol from wheat and sugar beet, I believe [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >peas, borage and other crops more likely to be profitable. Now they've >put a lot of land back to wheat on the back of current prices. Yeah, there'll be a lot of wheat around here. Lower inputs than canola, and easier to grow a good crop, than canola. >I read something about the prices paid for sugar beet for biofuel, but >can't remember what it was now, I think it was quite competitive with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Man I'm glad I'm not a farmer. Everyone else makes the profit from the >food business except the guys who grow it. Well, this year I have rented my cropland out for cash instead of crop share. It's a guaranteed amount, less than a crop-share in a good year, but we are overdue for a bad one, I think. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>In addition to biodiesel from rape (relatively easy and cost >>>>effective) they're doing ethanol from wheat and sugar beet, I believe [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Yeah, there'll be a lot of wheat around here. Lower inputs than >canola, and easier to grow a good crop, than canola. Same here, in a good year we can get 10 tonnes/hectare, there haven't been many bad years except last harvest. But canola (which we call rape) can still be more profitable - lower yield but higher price since the wheat price has been falling and fertiliser chemical and machinery prices have been rising faster than ever. >>I read something about the prices paid for sugar beet for biofuel, but >>can't remember what it was now, I think it was quite competitive with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >share. It's a guaranteed amount, less than a crop-share in a good >year, but we are overdue for a bad one, I think. Be prepared to kick yourself if prices go through the roof even further >>>>>In addition to biodiesel from rape (relatively easy and cost >>>>>effective) they're doing ethanol from wheat and sugar beet, I believe [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Be prepared to kick yourself if prices go through the roof even >further Not me. Once I've decided to follow a path, I don't kick myself for not following a different one. In this case, I will reap a benefit in not worrying about the weather quite so much. I am also looking into a crop that grows reasonably well here, does not require annual seeding, and sells for a pretty high price, especially if it's organically grown. I have just the place; a 2.3 acre piece that has been fallow for 4 years, without any chemicals or fertilizer on it. Three years is required for organic certification. I'll be trying it on a small scale this year, I hope. I'll let you know how it goes. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) On 4/29/08 9:19 PM, in article nesf14lintdlltevlkrvtsngo207rt6q0s@4ax.com, >>>> Gasoline hit $131.5 a liter this morning in Vancouver. (Multiply by 3.8 to >>>> get a US gallon. That's $5.00 a US gallon.) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > There's a PDF with the press release about the new plant. The enamour shown by governments for biofuel in my opinion is immoral. To allow millions to starve so North Americans and Europeans can travel in gas guzzlers makes me mad. The only good thing I have seen, is in this mornings paper, where it says Prime Minister Harper is having second thoughts about biofuels. Hurray! Whoopee! Also Premier Campbell (BC) says the government is going legislate that we follow California's automobile emission controls. There's hope for my asthma yet. I was surprised when I was in Sydney and Melbourne how clean the air was. I could actually breathe without coughing. Would like to have stayed on that account and more. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > On 4/29/08 9:19 PM, in article nesf14lintdlltevlkrvtsngo207rt6q0s@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Melbourne how clean the air was. I could actually breathe without coughing. > Would like to have stayed on that account and more. I agree wholeheartedly. Biofuels aren't the answer. Hydrogen and electricity haven't been exploited to their full potential. Of course, electric and fuel cell engines have few moving parts so there's far less of an after-sale industry in repairs, etc <sarcasm off>. I want a car I can plug in powered ultimately by the wind or the sun. Am I dreaming? Vicki >> On 4/29/08 9:19 PM, in article nesf14lintdlltevlkrvtsngo207rt6q0s@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >electric and fuel cell engines have few moving parts so there's far less >of an after-sale industry in repairs, etc <sarcasm off>. Hydrogen is a dead-end. Costs way much to make it, both in actual monetary terms and in terms of harm to the environment. >I want a car I can plug in powered ultimately by the wind or the sun. >Am I dreaming? Me too. Let me know when we can make one that doesn't use materials that are more harmful to the environment than any two gas or diesel powered cars. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>> On 4/29/08 9:19 PM, in article nesf14lintdlltevlkrvtsngo207rt6q0s@4ax.com, >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >Hydrogen is a dead-end. Costs way much to make it, both in actual >monetary terms and in terms of harm to the environment. We're busy going back to Noocular here, remember when that was supposed to make electricity too cheap to meter? >>I want a car I can plug in powered ultimately by the wind or the sun. >>Am I dreaming? > >Me too. Let me know when we can make one that doesn't use materials >that are more harmful to the environment than any two gas or diesel >powered cars. Yup, sadly everything that has benefits has costs somewhere else. Windmills, solar panels, wave generators, big massive tidal barrages, all eat up resources but just in a different way from digging coal or oil out of the ground and burning it. I was chatting to someone the other day who had a vintage car up for sale (the same as my neighbours had when I was young) he wanted £2800 for it which wasn't bad for something that's already been around 50 years and is likely to appreciate rather than depreciate in value but it did half as many miles per gallon as a modern one and getting parts to repair it was a bear. Mine averages around 60 mpg (UK sized) and is pretty well built and theoretically much of its remains are easily recycled but I doubt it would last 50 years. >The enamour shown by governments for biofuel in my opinion is immoral. To >allow millions to starve so North Americans and Europeans can travel in gas [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Melbourne how clean the air was. I could actually breathe without coughing. >Would like to have stayed on that account and more. I don't know where this biofuel fear is coming from; I really don't. biofuels do not compete with the food chain. Biofuels are made from product grades that are normally thrown away; substandard, cracked, diseased, and heated. Canola, for example, in grades that are suitable only for mixing with animal feed, are half the price (to the farmer) of the food grades, and product that is worse than that, will be snapped up by the biofuel industry at about 1/3 the price of best grades, which in many cases will mean that the farmer will be able to keep on farming. With the price of diesel being basically the same as the price of gas, fertilizers triple the price of last year, and quadruple the price of two years ago, and the price the farmer gets for his crops only this year rising significantly over what it's been in the previous 15 years, it's looking like it MIGHT just be worthwhile staying in the farming business. As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to switch over completely. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) On 4/30/08 9:22 PM, in article 38gi145jc17mbpp236a0cq2idflmpjmgp1@4ax.com, >> The enamour shown by governments for biofuel in my opinion is immoral. To >> allow millions to starve so North Americans and Europeans can travel in gas [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to > switch over completely. I can agree that the product being produced is probably inferior to food grade, but that is not the problem. The problem is that farmers are not growing wheat or rice, but growing sub-grade corn, particularly, in the US and selling it without all the work of food. Therefore food is not being produced. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >On 4/30/08 9:22 PM, in article 38gi145jc17mbpp236a0cq2idflmpjmgp1@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >and selling it without all the work of food. Therefore food is not being >produced. Are you sure that's what's happening? It costs as much to grow a substandard crop as it does to grow a good one. The inputs are pretty much the same. Cutting back on things like chemicals and fertilizer don't contribute to a substandard crop, just to a lower yield; less product to sell. It may be different in the US, but here in Canada, the profit margins are small enough, without growing something like corn, which requires a lot of inputs, with not much revenue, compared with wheat, flax and canola. If I were a cynical sort, I'd swear that Al Gore had something to do with the whole biofuels fearmongering. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) On 4/30/08 11:03 PM, in article evmi14h02vanjs3cvmj9clp4lcq369r8ef@4ax.com, >> On 4/30/08 9:22 PM, in article 38gi145jc17mbpp236a0cq2idflmpjmgp1@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > If I were a cynical sort, I'd swear that Al Gore had something to do > with the whole biofuels fearmongering. The Bush administration is giving subsidies. And the lack of rice for sale in Asia and little wheat in Africa creating riots is no fear mongering of Al Gore. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >On 4/30/08 11:03 PM, in article evmi14h02vanjs3cvmj9clp4lcq369r8ef@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >in Asia and little wheat in Africa creating riots is no fear mongering of Al >Gore. I was half-kidding about Al, but I do think he's dishonest and opportunistic, and will eventually get on the anti-biofuels bandwagon. I still don't think biofuel has anything to do with the current situation. There just isn't a significant biofuel industry yet. I would place most of the blame on market speculation, which is driving the prices artificially high, and probably causing hoarding. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >On 4/30/08 11:03 PM, in article evmi14h02vanjs3cvmj9clp4lcq369r8ef@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >in Asia and little wheat in Africa creating riots is no fear mongering of Al >Gore. That's at least in part due to years of neglect while the psychopaths in charge line their own and their family/tribe's pockets, and the people desperately try to grow stuff for export for a pathetically small number of dollars rather than food for themselves. How long ago was the Sudan "the breadbasket of Africa?" and isn't Sierra Leone one of the world's poorest countries despite being stuffed with diamonds, bauxite, fish and palm (oil) trees? (Many of these "leaders" were educated in the UK) >As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to >switch over completely. Not if they're growing rape (canola) - you wouldn't believe how much looser my chest is this year, when wheat prices have caused most of the farmers round here to plant wheat instead of the nasty yellow stuff. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to >>switch over completely. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the farmers round here to plant wheat instead of the nasty yellow >stuff. That's a point, I've found recent crops to be much more user-friendly as they've cut the erucic acid content for the food market which seems to make it less stinky, but they grow high-erucic variants for the non-food market (chemical feedstock) I'm not sure which they use for the biofuel market. Time was when it used to rip the hell out of my lungs and make me lose my voice if I walked through a field in flower, last year when we had fields and fields of it at the end of the garden we were little affected (except for pollen beetles crawling all over everything) >>As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to >>switch over completely. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the farmers round here to plant wheat instead of the nasty yellow >stuff. Bummer! I am, of course, surrounded by wheat, rye, barley, flax, oats, durun, several types of mustard, and canola. Good thing I don't have any allergies. I don't know what my place will be growing this year. It's had 4 years of oats on it, so it should be good for some wheat or canola. Not that it matters much to me, as I just get cash rent for it. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to >>>switch over completely. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >canola. Not that it matters much to me, as I just get cash rent for >it. Good lord, we usually only do oats for one year then rotate into something else, wheat is about the only crop that is routinely followed by itself. We used to do quite a lot of flax up until they cut the subsidies, then it faded out except for certain areas: in a good year it was quite profitable but there were too many bad years (think unripe seedheads poking through the snow, or seeds germinating in the pods before getting ripe and dry enough to combine) Likewise there have been and still are many attempts to find alternative crops, borage for oil, sea lavender for honey, lupins, crambe, sunflowers, all can be good in a good year but don't yield worth squat in a bad one. There are quite a lot of other veggies, potatoes and sugar beet are locally common mainly on the lighter land, but many other things need armies of illegal minimum-wage pickers to do other than make a loss >>>>As for your asthma, biofuels would help that enormously, were we to >>>>switch over completely. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >something else, wheat is about the only crop that is routinely >followed by itself. Really? Oats is about the only crop we follow with itself around here, especially if we are not doing intensive chemical herbicide treatment. Perhaps it has something to do with the variety, but I have seen guys sow oats for 8 years in a row. The only problem with doing that is that the wild oats can get to the point where the dockage rises too high. Our dockage last crop year (2007) averaged around 1%, mainly due to wild oats and scentless chamomile (I'll never forgive the Hutterites for importing that noxious crap for their tea. I think the worst dockage was from the lowest part of my land, and it was only about 1.5%. >We used to do quite a lot of flax up until they cut the subsidies, >then it faded out except for certain areas: in a good year it was >quite profitable but there were too many bad years (think unripe >seedheads poking through the snow, or seeds germinating in the pods >before getting ripe and dry enough to combine) Yeah, flax is a bit tricky that way. We had an early one-time frost about 3 years ago (in mid-August), and there were about 5 quarter-sections in our immediate neighbourhood that had disastrous results for their flax. As it was, out oats varied in the result. We seeded in three stages, and because of weather, the last 40 acres was seeded two weeks after the second 40 acres. The first two seedings were fine, as they were well on the road to ripening, but the last seeding had nothing in the heads to speak of. We were fortunate, in that we sold it standing for "green feed", and got about $35 per tonne for it. >Likewise there have been and still are many attempts to find >alternative crops, borage for oil, sea lavender for honey, lupins, >crambe, sunflowers, all can be good in a good year but don't yield >worth squat in a bad one. I haven't heard of any borage or sea lavender being grown around here. Most folks raising bees rent them out to places growing various crops, mainly alfalfa (lucerne). Lupins? What do they do with those? Crambe I had to look up. Can't say I've ever seen it. Sunflowers, while not what I'd call common, are grown around here some. >There are quite a lot of other veggies, potatoes and sugar beet are >locally common mainly on the lighter land, but many other things need >armies of illegal minimum-wage pickers to do other than make a loss The land around here is not suitable for most root crops. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>Good lord, we usually only do oats for one year then rotate into >>something else, wheat is about the only crop that is routinely [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >worst dockage was from the lowest part of my land, and it was only >about 1.5%. Yes the wild oats may be a factor here too. People have tried continuous barley too but mostly returned to different rotations. >>We used to do quite a lot of flax up until they cut the subsidies, >>then it faded out except for certain areas: in a good year it was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >that we sold it standing for "green feed", and got about $35 per tonne >for it. Once they tried winter flax, that was a total disaster, it appeared to emerge OK then seemed to get smaller throughout the winter and spring until it had almost disappeared: they ploughed it under and drilled some late spring rape instead, One of the farmers where we used to live got regular prizes for his oats, I'm trying to remember if he used to drill them following beans, that usually makes for a good wheat crop as they fix N into the soil so even when they don't yield particularly well (yet another crop which varies drastically with our weather) at least you get the benefit of savings on fertiliser the following year. >>Likewise there have been and still are many attempts to find >>alternative crops, borage for oil, sea lavender for honey, lupins, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >had to look up. Can't say I've ever seen it. Sunflowers, while not >what I'd call common, are grown around here some. Lupins are grown for seed, I think they extract oil and use the rest for animal feed but don't quote me. Crambe seems to have had a short life, the oil was feedstock for chemical production. Probably it is outyielded by rape. Many of these alternative crops are right on the edge of usability in our climate and depend on contract prices or subsidies, most of them don't last except sometimes in certain areas which are suited to them, daffodils in Cornwall and the Scilly Isles for example. Some like sugar beet and peas are only grown where they are local to the processing or freezing plants. About the only things that have a big market throughout the country are grains (those bloody carbs) and rape. >>There are quite a lot of other veggies, potatoes and sugar beet are >>locally common mainly on the lighter land, but many other things need >>armies of illegal minimum-wage pickers to do other than make a loss > >The land around here is not suitable for most root crops. Yes here we're on clay over chalk but nearer the coast we have light sandy soils where they grow quite a lot of other things but most of them require regular irrigation and more feeding. Including turf for gardens and sports pitches. >>>Good lord, we usually only do oats for one year then rotate into >>>something else, wheat is about the only crop that is routinely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Yes the wild oats may be a factor here too. People have tried >continuous barley too but mostly returned to different rotations. One of the worst rotations, IMO, is barley/oats. The barley volunteers in the oats crop, and it's a sure recipe for high dockage. >One of the farmers where we used to live got regular prizes for his >oats, I'm trying to remember if he used to drill them following beans, >that usually makes for a good wheat crop as they fix N into the soil >so even when they don't yield particularly well (yet another crop >which varies drastically with our weather) at least you get the >benefit of savings on fertiliser the following year. Love those legumes for leaving N in the soil! >About the only things that have a big market throughout the country >are grains (those bloody carbs) and rape. Yeah... I think the world could do with a few less grains, and a lot more veggies and meat. >>The land around here is not suitable for most root crops. > >Yes here we're on clay over chalk but nearer the coast we have light >sandy soils where they grow quite a lot of other things but most of >them require regular irrigation and more feeding. Including turf for >gardens and sports pitches. Here, it's pretty much clay on clay.The topsoil is pretty rich, though. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>Good lord, we usually only do oats for one year then rotate into >>>>something else, wheat is about the only crop that is routinely [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >One of the worst rotations, IMO, is barley/oats. The barley volunteers >in the oats crop, and it's a sure recipe for high dockage. Easier the other way round, most of our barley is spring sown so you get the whole winter for the volunteers to germinate. Often they knock the soil down to a seedbed, wait for the volunteers to come up and glyphosate off the lot before sowing. Last year one of our neighbours sowed a field of rape but evidently the seed had charlock in it, picture the field with a regular scattering of charlock plants like squares on a chessboard. That was a bastard to deal with as they're so closely related, he ended up using a weed wiper to hit the charlock with Roundup when it was taller than the rape. One reason our lot have mostly gone back to rotations, you can control different weeds in different crops and keep the seed bank down, and rape in wheat or vice versa is easier to control. With continuous cereals you get major buildups of things like sterile brome and black grass (you probably have your own alternatives). >>One of the farmers where we used to live got regular prizes for his >>oats, I'm trying to remember if he used to drill them following beans, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Love those legumes for leaving N in the soil! Plus the beans have an amazing scent, so even when they make a loss it's bearable! >>About the only things that have a big market throughout the country >>are grains (those bloody carbs) and rape. > >Yeah... I think the world could do with a few less grains, and a lot >more veggies and meat. We do our best around here, the big old estates usually have lowland sheep which are amazingly tasty (long ago and way back this region's prosperity came from sheep though the wool is of little value these days - tiny villages have massive churches built with wool money) and the watermeadows where the rivers run through usually have grazing beef which is also excellent quality, then there are outdoor pig units (ditto). Other veggies like onions are more common on the sand but the main problem is with labour costs, when you have big tackle you can cover a lot of land but it needs to be stuff you c |
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