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I Can Make You Thin

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Uncle Enrico - 17 Apr 2008 17:24 GMT
"I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
Channel?

I've watched a couple of episodes. The approach is all
behavioral--nothing on carb restriction from what I've seen.

The host makes liberal use visualization, aversion therapy and paired
stimulus. For example, he manages food cravings by having people
visualize eating their beloved food covered with worms and hair while
pressing their thumb and forefinger on their left hand. So...when the
craving happens down the road, the person presses their left hand thumb
and forefinger. On the other hand (literally), one imagines their
favorite place while they press their thumb and forefinger on their
right hand.  He uses this cue when they eat broccoli, for example.

He also advises the usual strategies of putting the fork down between
bites, or using small plates, etc.

None of these strategies work as well as avoiding fast carbs, IMHO. I
could never make behavioral techniques work in the long run while eating
burgers and fries. No fork! No plate! Smells of burgers and fries easily
overcome any mental tricks.
Julie Bove - 17 Apr 2008 20:16 GMT
> "I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
> Channel?
>
> I've watched a couple of episodes. The approach is all behavioral--nothing
> on carb restriction from what I've seen.

I saw it.  Nothing of use to me at all.  Seems it would only help if you had
some sort of food addiction.

> The host makes liberal use visualization, aversion therapy and paired
> stimulus. For example, he manages food cravings by having people visualize
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> press their thumb and forefinger on their right hand.  He uses this cue
> when they eat broccoli, for example.

That was a joke!  I rarely ever have food cravings.  Getting myself to eat
at all is more of a problem and watching him say that just put my appetite
even more off!

> He also advises the usual strategies of putting the fork down between
> bites, or using small plates, etc.

I've head of that stuff before, but...  My problem is not overeating.  In
fact I consume only about 1/2 of the calories I am supposed to, to maintain
my weight.  One would think I would be losing.  But, not at the moment.

> None of these strategies work as well as avoiding fast carbs, IMHO. I
> could never make behavioral techniques work in the long run while eating
> burgers and fries. No fork! No plate! Smells of burgers and fries easily
> overcome any mental tricks.

Dunno. I was never one to eat burgers and fries.  At one time, prior to
diabetes, I lost about 30 pounds.  I did so on a low fat, vegetarian diet.
I ate very little cheese or eggs.  It was almost vegan in approach.  Mostly
vegetables, some fruit, some grains.  Kept my calories at or below 1,000 a
day and exercised my tail off.

It worked!  But I felt like crap.  I was starving all the time and
exhausted.  I managed to keep the weight off for a couple of years by
continuing to restrict my food, just not quite as much.  But then one day I
snapped and ate cheese.  Lots of cheese!  And back to the food I went.  I
gained it all back and then some.
Trinkwasser - 17 Apr 2008 22:50 GMT
>"I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
>Channel?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>visualize eating their beloved food covered with worms and hair while
>pressing their thumb and forefinger on their left hand.

So wouldn't work for Klingons then
Nicky - 17 Apr 2008 23:06 GMT
>>"I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
>>Channel?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>So wouldn't work for Klingons then

ROFL! You owe me for a screen wipe : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Michelle C. - 19 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT
> >"I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
> >Channel?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> So wouldn't work for Klingons then

LOL!  Good one, Trink!

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Apr 2008 22:57 GMT
It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> "I Can Make You Thin."  Anybody watching this program on The Learning
> Channel?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> burgers and fries. No fork! No plate! Smells of burgers and fries easily
> overcome any mental tricks.
guardian Snow - 18 Apr 2008 07:10 GMT
On Apr 18, 7:57 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

Anorexia is a serious medical condition.  Your calls for people to "go
hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advises you to stop this
immediately.  If you are currently employed, You staffing supervisors
will be notified of your online activity.  They will be notified via
ANAD the national association for anorexia nervosa associated eating
disorders bulimia nervosa pro-ana, guardian angels school.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung.  If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession.  It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Clearly the only way this person is going to listen to reason is to
make sure he can't make these post without knowing there are serious
financial repercussions.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Apr 2008 10:56 GMT
convicted neighbor Mark (Snow) wrote:

After changing subject to "Start a class action law suit against Dr
Andrew B. Chung."

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForSnow

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b9816c258ed93d5f?
>
> Anorexia is a serious medical condition.

Not being hungry (anorexia) predicts imminent death.

Therefore, it remains more prudent **and** smarter to be hungrier by
doing everything right...

http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight

... especially eating the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

... in order to become hungrier than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
guardian Snow - 18 Apr 2008 18:41 GMT
On Apr 18, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> > Anorexia is a serious medical condition.
>
> Not being hungry (anorexia) predicts imminent death.

Anorexia is a serious medical condition.  Your calls for people to "go
hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this
immediately.  If you are currently employed, You staffing supervisors
will be notified of your online activity.  They will be notified via
ANAD the national association for anorexia nervosa associated eating
disorders bulimia nervosa pro-ana, guardian angels school.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung.  If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession.  It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
guardian Snow - 18 Apr 2008 07:19 GMT
On Apr 18, 7:57 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:
>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> > burgers and fries. No fork! No plate! Smells of burgers and fries easily
> > overcome any mental tricks.

Anorexia is a serious medical condition.  Your calls for people to "go
hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advises you to stop this
immediately.  If you are currently employed, You staffing supervisors
will be notified of your online activity.  They will be notified via
ANAD the national association for anorexia nervosa associated eating
disorders bulimia nervosa pro-ana, guardian angels school.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung.  If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession.  It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Donna Kozik - 19 Apr 2008 15:30 GMT
I believe in visualization, but I'd rather picture myself strong,
slender and healthy rather than my favorite foods covered with worms!

What's worked for me is following a food plan where I eat healthy and
avoid the foods that lead me to "snap" and overeat.

Not only do I feel more in control, I've lost 100 pounds! I can easily
live this way for the rest of my life.

Donna
www.ICanStopOvereating.com (the informational website where I talk
about my situation more)
Robert Miles - 19 Apr 2008 16:24 GMT
> I believe in visualization, but I'd rather picture myself strong,
> slender and healthy rather than my favorite foods covered with worms!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> www.ICanStopOvereating.con (the informational website where I talk
> about my situation more)

Think about whether you have $297, or possibly $397, to spend before
you go there.
Trinkwasser - 20 Apr 2008 18:43 GMT
>> I believe in visualization, but I'd rather picture myself strong,
>> slender and healthy rather than my favorite foods covered with worms!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Think about whether you have $297, or possibly $397, to spend before
>you go there.

Good grief, that's a LOT of money to spend on not-food
 
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