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what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this? >what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this? start here: Http://www.diabetes.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/  SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this? Anything from watching what you eat & taking regular exercise, through that plus taking oral medication to injecting insulin, depending on the form it takes in any particular case. The treatment *has* to be tailored to suit the person. SignatureTciao for Now! John. The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this world, is by losing the black fat (VAT): http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat This occurs by eating less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart A simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this? > The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which > accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this > world, is by losing the black fat (VAT): Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by following the treatment you recommend? Not counting gestational or drug induced diabetes, as these are known to be self limiting in some cases. SignatureTciao for Now! John. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by > following the treatment you recommend? Eating less, down to the right amount, is not a treatment but rather is simply just being smart: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Being dumber would be having someone force you to eat less by making it impossible for you to eat more: "Diabetes was cured in 92%." -- Bariatric Surgeon Source: Obes Surg. 2007 Nov;17(11):1421-30. Department of Surgery, Laval University, Laval Hospital, Québec, Canada. picard.marceau@chg.ulaval.ca BACKGROUND: This report summarizes our 15-year experience with duodenal switch (DS) as a primary procedure on 1,423 patients from 1992 to 2005. METHODS: Within the last 2 years, follow-up of these patients, including clinical biochemistry evaluation by us or by their local physician is 97%. RESULTS: Survival rate was 92% after DS. The risk of death (Excess Hazard Ratio (EHR)) was 1.2, almost that of the general population. After a mean of 7.3 years (range 2-15), 92% of patients with an initial BMI < or = 50 kg/m2 obtained a BMI < 35 and 83% of those with an initial BMI > 50 obtained a BMI < 40. Diabetes was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and medication decreased in the others. The use of the CPAP apparatus was discontinued in 90%, medication for asthma was decreased in 88%, and the prevalence of a cardiac risk index > 5 was decreased by 86%. Patients' satisfaction in regard to weight loss was graded 3.6 on a basis of 5, and 95% of patients were satisfied with the overall results. Operative mortality was 1% which is comparable with gastric bypass surgery. The need for revision for malnutrition was rare (0.7%) and total reversal was exceptional (0.2%). Failure to lose > 25% of initial excess weight was 1.3%. Revision for failure to lose sufficient weight was needed in only 1.5%. Severe anemia, deficiency in vitamins or bone damage were exceptional, easily treatable, preventable and no permanent damage was documented. CONCLUSION: In the long-term, DS was very efficient in terms of cure rate for morbid obesity and its comorbidities. In terms of risk/benefit, DS was very sucessful with an appropriate system of follow-up. **** End Abstract **** Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Eating less, down to the right amount, is not a treatment but rather > is simply just being smart: <Snip irrelevant quoted report relating to a surgical procedure used on morbidly obese diabetic patients> I'll take that as no, then. Let me rephrase what I said. Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following your advice without needing additional treatments? If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad? > > I'll take that as no, then. Incorrect. > Let me rephrase what I said. > > Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following > your advice without needing additional treatments? Many have been cured of their type-2 diabetes mellitus by LORD Almighty GOD when they have elected to eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart > If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure. Look up. Here is again that simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad? >> I'll take that as no, then. > > Incorrect. So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of diabetes purely by eating less. Who? Maybe they could be asked to post in here or speak to the press & say how it happened? >> Let me rephrase what I said. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart No evidence of a cure there. So, I'll take that as another no. And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat, 2 pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna? >> If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure. > > Look up. Nope, no evidence there either. > Here is again that simple parable given in hopes of promoting > understanding: > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Irrelevant to diabetes in humans. The more you post in the diabetic newsgroups, the more you expose your ignorance, & the more you turn people away from your belief system. Also, just cutting & pasting the same reply to every post makes you look either like someone with mental health problems or an incompetent. As a claimed cardiologist, please restrict yourself to posting in groups where your knowledge may have some relevance. || Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Chung is an idiot and the fact you are arguing with him makes me question you.. :-) SignatureIt's a place to listen and read for a while, called lurking. Get an idea of the tone of the community. Learn who the trolls and troublemakers are and ignore them. > || Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Chung is an idiot and the fact you are arguing with him makes > me question you.. :-) Not arguing, just asking him to provide proof that the potentially lethal course of action he advocates in reply to a poster who apparently knows nothing about the subject may possibly have worked even once. I know it's lost cause, unfortunately. ;-) SignatureTciao for Now! John. >> || Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I know it's lost cause, unfortunately. ;-) Then why subject the rest of us you it? People who answer the Chunk tend to end up in killfiles. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad? >>> I'll take that as no, then. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat, 2 > pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna? We'd like to read the results of him adopting a WOE (way of eating) of two pounds of Ex-Lax a day for at least a month. >> And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat, 2 >> pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna? >> > We'd like to read the results of him adopting a WOE (way of eating) of > two pounds of Ex-Lax a day for at least a month. I know. At least he's shut up for now. SignatureTciao for Now! John. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of > diabetes purely by eating less. Who? Jim Chinnis would be someone you might possibly know from his participation here on usenet especially in ASD. He was headed toward needing glucose-lowering medications until he started eating less though he has at times erroneously credited the turn-around to low-carbing. We know it is not the latter because there are many who low-carb without curing their underlying insulin resistance (IR/MetS) as has reportedly occurred in Jim's case. Then there are many of my patients, whose names I can not legally disclose because of appropriate HIPAA privacy laws: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80? Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80? Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name. -- cary > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies > in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name. > > -- cary Of course it is and any doctor whoever read a journal, which would be impossible not to do as a student or resident, would know. These lames excuses are at least a change from the usual responsed and show that there still has to be some function thought. http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF On Apr 4, 12:17 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow I caught you once already on this bullshit lie when you tried to bring Mr. Jim Chinnis into the picture to support your 2PD diet. He was not following your whacked out diet advice and told you so. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thread/1621ebb77 e8a0da3/9f016c5f4dab2214 Interested readers may refer to my Nov 25th 5:16 PM post. Also, Jim himself said: Jim Chinnis View profile More options Nov 4 2007, 9:07 am Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes From: Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:07:24 GMT Local: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:07 am Subject: Prediabetes conversion to normal? Reply to author | Forward | Print | View thread | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age 18. (I'm now 63.) I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to glucose/carbs. Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about 100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within 3 hrs.. Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight. I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side. I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken. Just one data point having to do with the powerful weight effects (of those "last few pounds") on blood pressure, glucose, and lipids. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > On Apr 4, 12:17 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Thank for quoting that. :-) I'd missed it by only reading the diabetic groups. So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms. SignatureTciao for Now! John. > So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms. By losing his visceral adipose tissue (VAT), it appears that Jim Chinnis has been cured of his insulin resistance (IR/MetS). Therefore, it remains smart to eat less, down to the right amount to lose the VAT: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Again, a simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Apr 4, 1:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow We all agree that portion control, eating a variety of healthy foods and maintaining ideal body weight are good for everyone. That is not a new concept. No one agrees that eating 2 lbs of food per day is the way to acheive the above goal. No one has ever seen any documentation that this approach is successful in maintaining healthy weight. It's a concept you've been tooting your own horn about for > 10 years, and all you have in return is well -deserved ridicule. The Everest Climbers didn't eat just two pounds per day and the Bible never said that an omer weighed two pounds. STFU already, Chung. You have been proven a liar too many times to count. Do you enjoy this ridicule and abuse? If so, not only are you suffering from ego-syntonic, regressed, narcissistic personality disorder and delusions, but you are also a masochist. Now go ahead and "boldly write" more lies. > > So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms. > > By losing his visceral adipose tissue (VAT), it appears that Jim > Chinnis has been cured of his insulin resistance (IR/MetS). It appears that you have presented utterly no evidence that Jim Chinnis lost his VAT. > Therefore, it remains smart to eat less, down to the right amount to > lose the VAT: It appears that you have presented utterly no evidence that this "approach" will cause one to lose one's VAT. -- cary > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow http://HeartMDPhD.com/AttentionSeekerCary On Apr 4, 4:35 am, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > your advice without needing additional treatments? > If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure. John, Puleeease, don't feed the trolls. You're undermining my google killfile. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise > John, > > Puleeease, don't feed the trolls. You're undermining my google > killfile. Sorry, he was dishing out possibly fatal advice to an apparent newbie, so I sought to get a correction. At the moment, he's marked read, he'll go into the ignore thread bin now so I don't get tempted again. SignatureTciao for Now! John. > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/089130ff330dd866? > > > Sorry, he was dishing out possibly fatal advice to an apparent newbie, > so I sought to get a correction. Your false witness is forgiven by me. This simply shows that you are among the lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special... ... we are simply forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow >> The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which >> accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Not counting gestational or drug induced diabetes, as these are known to >be self limiting in some cases. This has never happened, chung is a known kook and troll. Please do not cross post to non-diabetic groups when replying to chung, he adds them when he replies to legit posts in order to perpetuate the flame wars and disrupt the groups. It's best to simply kill file chung. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > > The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which > > accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this > > world, is by losing the black fat (VAT): > > > Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by > following the treatment you recommend? You may now prepare to have your question evaded. -- cary > Not counting gestational or drug induced diabetes, as these are known to > be self limiting in some cases. > You may now prepare to have your question evaded. Ignored, actually, if you skim the thread. He seems to have gone off in a huff. :-) SignatureTciao for Now! John. > > You may now prepare to have your question evaded. > > > Ignored, actually, if you skim the thread. He seems to have gone off in > a huff. :-) Well, you probably could have stopped at "gone off"... -- cary On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 5:16:36 -0500, Andrew > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: One of the symptoms of diabetes with hypoglcemia is hunger and since hunger is good, this has to be good and so with euglycemia, the hunger of hypoglycemia goes away which makes it bad. Be hungry ... be healthy ... be hungrier .... be hypoglycemic > what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this? Start here: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm |
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