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Michelle C. - 28 Mar 2008 02:10 GMT
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080328/D8VM3EL00.html

Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs; Girl Dies

Mar 27, 8:06 PM (ET)

By ROBERT IMRIE

(AP) Madeline Kara Neumann, of Weston, Wis., is shown working on chalk
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WESTON, Wis. (AP) - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's
death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her
parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

An autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday of diabetic
ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body,
Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.

She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such
as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness,
the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the
investigation by Friday and forward the results to the district
attorney.

The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, said that she and her family
believe in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but that they do
not belong to an organized religion or faith, are not fanatics and
have nothing against doctors.

She insisted her youngest child, a wiry girl known to wear her
straight brown hair in a ponytail, was in good health until recently.

"We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks," she said
Wednesday. "And then just the day before and that day (she died), it
suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in
prayer then. We believed that she would recover. We saw signs that to
us, it looked like she was recovering."

Her daughter - who hadn't seen a doctor since she got some shots as a
3-year-old, according to Vergin - had no fever and there was warmth in
her body, she said.

The girl's father, Dale Neumann, a former police officer, said he
started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body.

Family members elsewhere called authorities to seek help for the girl.

"My sister-in-law, she's very religious, she believes in faith instead
of doctors ...," the girl's aunt told a sheriff's dispatcher Sunday
afternoon in a call from California. "And she called my mother-in-law
today ... and she explained to us that she believes her daughter's in
a coma now and she's relying on faith."

The dispatcher got more information from the caller and asked whether
an ambulance should be sent.

"Please," the woman replied. "I mean, she's refusing. She's going to
fight it. ... We've been trying to get her to take her to the hospital
for a week, a few days now."

The aunt called back with more information on the family's location,
emergency logs show. Family friends also made a 911 call from the
home. Police and paramedics arrived within minutes and immediately
called for an ambulance that took her to a hospital.

But less than an hour after authorities reached the home, Madeline - a
bright student who left public school for home schooling this semester
- was declared dead.

She is survived by her parents and three older siblings.

"We are remaining strong for our children," Leilani Neumann said.
"Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time."

The Neumanns said they moved from California to a modern, middle-class
home in woodsy Weston, just outside Wassau in central Wisconsin, about
two years ago to open a coffee shop and be closer to other relatives.
A basketball hoop is set up in the driveway.

Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the
investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did
not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we
knew how to do."
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Nick Cramer - 28 Mar 2008 05:09 GMT
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:10:11 -0700 (PDT), "Michelle C."

> >http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080328/D8VM3EL00.html

> the parents belong in jail.

I agree. I saw this story on Fox News. Very sad. Personally, I don't
believe in the efficacy of prayer, but as long as prayer is coupled with
proper medical attention, I doubt it can do any harm.

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Michelle C. - 28 Mar 2008 19:37 GMT
I agree with both of you, Mack & Nick.  I realize that spirituality
plays a strong role in the lives of many.  However, I would ask them,
where they believe the knowledge of medical science comes from?  If
all things come from God, then medical science does too.

The story reminds of me of "joke" (but perhaps it is no joking
matter):

There was a terrible flood.  As the water rose, a man was driven to
the second story of his house.  He was standing in an upper story
window when a man comes along in a canoe.  The man in the canoe says,
"Hey, jump in.  I'll save you!"  The man in the window replies.  "No
thanks; I'm putting my faith in the Lord."  The water continues to
rise, and he is driven onto the roof of his house.  Along comes a guy
in a motor boat.  The guy in the motor boat says, "Hey, jump in.  I'll
save you!"  The man on the roof replies, "No thanks; I'm putting my
faith in the Lord."  Finally, the man finds himself clinging to his
chimney as the water rises even further.  A helicopter comes along,
someone throws down the ladder, and a man yells, "Climb on up.  We'll
save you!"  The man clinging to his chimney says, "No thanks, I'm
putting my faith in the Lord."

Eventually, he drowns.  He finds himself in God's presence, and says,
"God, I just have to ask.  I put my faith in you, why did you let me
drown?"

God replies, "I sent you two boats and helicopter.  What more do you
want?"

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
DarkSentinel - 29 Mar 2008 02:11 GMT
>>http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080328/D8VM3EL00.html
>
> the parents belong in jail.

No, they belong UNDER the damn jail.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Mar 2008 15:04 GMT
> http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080328/D8VM3EL00.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such
> as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite...

Not good.

When we are not hungry, it does mean GOD has stopped blessing us.

> ... and weakness,
> the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> "My sister-in-law, she's very religious, she believes in faith instead
> of doctors ...,"

Wiser to believe in GOD and seek HIS will.

There is hope, love, and faith.

The greatest of these is love.

Love never fails.

GOD is Love.

> the girl's aunt told a sheriff's dispatcher Sunday
> afternoon in a call from California. "And she called my mother-in-law
> today ... and she explained to us that she believes her daughter's in
> a coma now and she's relying on faith."

Wiser to rely on GOD.

> The dispatcher got more information from the caller and asked whether
> an ambulance should be sent.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> "We are remaining strong for our children," Leilani Neumann said.
> "Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time."

GOD is the Source of our strength.

Delusions about hunger, however, weaken us.

> The Neumanns said they moved from California to a modern, middle-class
> home in woodsy Weston, just outside Wassau in central Wisconsin, about
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we
> knew how to do."

If only they had known that anorexia is bad and indicated that their
daughter was no longer being blessed by GOD in her condition.

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

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Mike Mordant - 28 Mar 2008 16:32 GMT
On Mar 28, 9:04 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> >http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080328/D8VM3EL00.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> Wiser to believe in GOD and seek HIS will.

That's exactly what they did Dr. Chung.

And your cruel comments are very telling about where exactly your
"faith" is placed.

Not very discerning of you is it?
J666 - 28 Mar 2008 17:34 GMT
Chung

> > Wiser to believe in GOD and seek HIS will.

Mike

> That's exactly what they did Dr. Chung.
>
> And your cruel comments are very telling about where exactly your
> "faith" is placed.
>
> Not very discerning of you is it?

Using Chung's way of "thinking," why should anyone follow any doctor's
advice regarding treatment, why wear seat belts, why do anythings
whereas all you have to do is "believe" and "seek HIS will."

For those who believe, just what is "HIS will" since there seems to be
great variation.

Looking at how Chung does that, someone could come to any conclusion
if they can ignore simple things like an omer being a volume and not a
weight and extrapolating that a certain amount of manna is the same as
a similar amount of any food.  It does seem strange that in Exodus God
did not specify a weight and why not supply a balanced diet than
manna.

Chung does seem to believe in his own version of Christian Scientist
like mentality about medical treatment - does seem strange that he is
still giving medical advice - except that is just one more example of
Chung's inconsistencies.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 28 Mar 2008 20:43 GMT
On Mar 28, 11:34 am, J666

> Using Chung's way of "thinking," why should anyone follow any doctor's
> advice regarding treatment, why wear seat belts, why do anythings
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> still giving medical advice - except that is just one more example of
> Chung's inconsistencies.

Cannot help but wonder, looking at Chung's response here and other
places, how you are never accused of "Bottom line: You remain the liar
who ....." and do not seem to be convicted or prayed for with your own
"http...Heart...prayfor thesoulofJ...."  Is then what you say true and
beyond refute, even the jibberish Chung admits to using.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Mar 2008 19:45 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>
> That's exactly what they did Dr. Chung.

Not according to what is written above that "she believes in faith
instead of doctors."

GOD is love and neither hope nor faith.

It is love and neither hope nor faith that never fails.

Bottom line:

You remain the liar who is the source of all lies as described in the
Bible:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

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2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

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Hunger is wonderful:

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It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
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"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

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A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

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Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

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Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

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J666 - 28 Mar 2008 20:15 GMT
On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, "Andrew

 > GOD is love and neither hope nor faith.

So God is Eros.

The rest of Chung's post was snipped because in Chung's own words:

"I realize I can't begin to refute anything said here, so I'll simply
post meaningless links to nonsense I spewed earlier."
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 28 Mar 2008 21:00 GMT
On Mar 28, 2:15 pm, Non-liar, non-convicted, not needing soul prayed
for J666 did truthfully inform us

> So God is Eros.
>
> The rest of Chung's post was snipped because in Chung's own words:
>
> "I realize I can't begin to refute anything said here, so I'll simply
> post meaningless links to nonsense I spewed earlier."

"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record
of dead religions."  Oscar Wilde
Pastor Dave - 28 Mar 2008 21:42 GMT
>On Mar 28, 2:15 pm, Non-liar, non-convicted,
>not needing soul prayed for J666 did truthfully
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>"Religions die when they are proved to be true.
>Science is the record of dead religions."  Oscar Wilde

And the opposite would be true.  In fact, it isn't even
about "science", but "scientists".  Yet folks tend to
think that what a scientist says, is automatically equal
to science.  They make scientists their gods, but only
atheistic scientists.  All others are ridiculed, because
they don't ridicule religion, yet those who do, have
their own religion, which people deny is religion,
yet the beliefs, which is all they are, have zero support
scientifically, but are claimed to and for those wanting
to ridicule all religions except the atheistic views,
support is that which the person who holds the
atheistic view says it is, which equals them saying it
and nothing more and this is considered "science".

True science has never disproved one thing in the Bible.
But hey, if you can ridicule it, then you're in, in the
supposedly "scientific" community!
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J666 - 28 Mar 2008 21:57 GMT
On Mar 28, 3:42 pm, Pastor Dave  did say

> True science has never disproved one thing in the Bible.
> But hey, if you can ridicule it, then you're in, in the
> supposedly "scientific" community!

Much harder to disprove that something did not happen like God raining
down manna for Moses et al and that it did not rain for 40 days and 40
nights and that Noah did not built an ark which held two of every
species of animal and many other things in the Bible.  Just because
there may be things in the Bible which may be scientifically known to
be true, does not mean that everything is scientifically true.

Chung has used the same argument about someone disproving his 2PD
works rather than him proving it.

Both you and Chung have it backwards.

The burden is on the one making the claim that something did happen,
not on the one disagreeing with the claim.
J A - 02 Apr 2008 23:00 GMT
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:00:15 -0700 (PDT),
> mortonmull...@hotmail.com spake thusly:

> True science has never disproved one thing in the Bible.
> But hey, if you can ridicule it, then you're in, in the
> supposedly "scientific" community!

Laughable.

Bible supernaturalists who get innoculations are hypocrites.

You want the benefits of science while wallowing in your ignorant
superstition.

Why is there no information pertaining to the universe, the origins of
the earth or the existence of microbes in the Bible? It was written by
an all-knowing supernatural being, instead of man, then that being
should've found difficult not to include knowledge about such things
and insights and many other matters not available to mankind a few
thousand years ago, or now.

If some all-powerful supernatural being does exist, who from time to
time intervenes in human affairs, isn't it odd that he/she or it has
never in the history of mankind found a human who was worth giving
eternal life?  We all live from zero to say 130 years of age.  Why
hasn't God found somebody who was worth keeping around for say 500
years?  Wouldn't it be interesting to have some worthy person from
Roman times among us?

And if you want to claim jesus was kept alive, then produce him. Let's
see him.
Nicodemus - 02 Apr 2008 23:28 GMT
J A <jantero159@hotmail.com> wrote in news:514ba6f8-e126-4b3b-8660-
c0761106ec1f@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:00:15 -0700 (PDT),
>> mortonmull...@hotmail.com spake thusly:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> And if you want to claim jesus was kept alThere was Jesusive, then
produce him. Let's
> see him.

There was Jesus.

Some simple carpenter, who glimpsed the Tapestry.
J A - 02 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
> J A <jantero...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:514ba6f8-e126-4b3b-8660-
> c0761106e...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Some simple carpenter, who glimpsed the Tapestry.

Of course he did.

He condemned divorce, which all modern societies allow.

His real "wisdom" is revealed in:

" For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are
eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who
have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He
who is able to receive this, let him receive it."  -- Matthew 19:21
J666 - 02 Apr 2008 23:49 GMT
> Of course he did.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He
> who is able to receive this, let him receive it."  -- Matthew 19:21

Is there anything in the Bible about Jesus only feeding people 2 pounds of
food?
monkfish - 03 Apr 2008 00:32 GMT
>> Of course he did.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Is there anything in the Bible about Jesus only feeding people 2 pounds of
> food?

Do you even have any idea
how many calories are
in two pounds of bread and fish?

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Pastor Frank - 06 Apr 2008 02:40 GMT
>> Of course he did.
>> He condemned divorce, which all modern societies allow.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Is there anything in the Bible about Jesus only feeding people 2 pounds of
> food?

   Stop complaining long enough to actually weigh what you eat and you
might see it's LESS than 2 pounds. It only becomes more if you add the
weight of the water you drink to the total.
Claggy - 03 Apr 2008 17:48 GMT
>>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:00:15 -0700 (PDT),
>>> mortonmull...@hotmail.com spake thusly:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>> Laughable.

You say science has never disproved one thing in the bible. So I have to ask
if you can prove anything that is written in the bible. I mean the same type
of proof you would expect from science to disprove the bible. Not telling me
to just have faith and believe.
The bible was not written by god. It is allegedly the word of god but It was
written by men who claim to have heard god's messages. It is their
interpretation of his words. At best it is second hand information.
Pastor Frank - 02 Apr 2008 19:17 GMT
> On Mar 28, 2:15 pm, Non-liar, non-convicted, not needing soul prayed
> for J666 did truthfully inform us
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record
> of dead religions."  Oscar Wilde

   Wilde was another one who can't tell the difference between science and
religion. Science deals with matter, created things, religion deals with the
qualities of those things, especially persons. There is no connection.
J666 - 02 Apr 2008 20:54 GMT
>> "Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record
>> of dead religions."  Oscar Wilde
>>
>     Wilde was another one who can't tell the difference between science and
> religion. Science deals with matter, created things, religion deals with the
> qualities of those things, especially persons. There is no connection.

As science teaches us new things and explains what and why things happen, we
have to rely less "devine intervention" and the "will of God."

If you could scientifically prove your beliefs, then they would no longer be
beliefs and therefore require no faith and therefore would need no religion.
monkfish - 02 Apr 2008 21:32 GMT
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:17:58 -0500, Pastor Frank
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> If you could scientifically prove your beliefs, then they would no longer be
> beliefs and therefore require no faith and therefore would need no religion.

You seem to worship science.
Is that faith scientific?

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J666 - 02 Apr 2008 21:50 GMT
> You seem to worship science.
> Is that faith scientific?

No, I accept how science can explain and predict how things will happen.
monkfish - 02 Apr 2008 23:01 GMT
>> You seem to worship science.
>> Is that faith scientific?
>
> No, I accept how science can explain and predict how things will happen.

How is your life meaningful?

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J666 - 02 Apr 2008 23:30 GMT
> How is your life meaningful?

I think you will find it here:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Monkfishs_Endless_Inane_Questions
monkfish - 03 Apr 2008 00:15 GMT
>> How is your life meaningful?
>
> I think you will find it here:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Monkfishs_Endless_Inane_Questions

It's your life.
Feel free to ignore me.

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J666 - 03 Apr 2008 01:50 GMT
> It's your life.
> Feel free to ignore me.

All you need to do is give examples or a miracle or where prayer worked.
Otherwise what you say is just more bullshit.  As they say, "it's time to
crap or get off the pot and remain full of it."
monkfish - 03 Apr 2008 03:30 GMT
>> It's your life.
>> Feel free to ignore me.
>
> All you need to do is give examples or a miracle or where prayer worked.
> Otherwise what you say is just more bullshit.  As they say, "it's time to
> crap or get off the pot and remain full of it."

First, you have to tell me
what a miracle is, dear.

What happened to your frame of reference?
Is it a secret?
Like your blind faith?

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Sanity's Little Helper - 03 Apr 2008 11:09 GMT
Apr 2008:

> First, you have to tell me
> what a miracle is, dear.

A miracle is something that beyond the realms of probability. For example:
The sun rising in the West and setting in the East; Missing limbs growing
back; Lions laying down with lambs; "Monkfish" having a worthwhile thought.

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Father Haskell - 02 Apr 2008 23:35 GMT
> <mortonmull...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> religion. Science deals with matter, created things, religion deals with the
> qualities of those things, especially persons. There is no connection.

Goddamnit, who borrowed the shovel and forgot to
put it back?
Mike Mordant - 30 Mar 2008 02:23 GMT
On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 152 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Chung it is obvious to even a  semi-literate person that she put her
faith in God.  It failed.

You are disembling yet again.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Mar 2008 05:42 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporal demon) hissed:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
> Chung it is obvious to even a  semi-literate person that she put her
> faith in God.

Not from what is written above.

> It failed.

Those who have placed their faith in LORD Jesus Christ continue to
enjoy eternal life:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Those like you, who have unwisely chosen to blaspheme against the Holy
Spirit, remain eternally condemned:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Mike Mordant - 30 Mar 2008 22:34 GMT
On Mar 29, 11:42 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporal demon) hissed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 174 lines]
> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

So Jesus is not God?

You are obviously playing with words.  You know very well that your
god failed that poor woman. Be honest for a change.

Never mind, you are completely incapable of intellectual honesty.
J666 - 30 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT
> You are obviously playing with words.  You know very well that your
> god failed that poor woman. Be honest for a change.

The answer that is usually given is that it was not the will of God and done
for a greater reason which we cannot comprehend except to take it on faith it
was what God wanted.

If everyone prayed for her and she got better, it is proof of the power of
prayer and if she did not get better, then it was the will of God.  

Heads God wins, tails you lose.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Mar 2008 23:18 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan

is still

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

forevermore

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega

<><

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
DarkSentinel - 29 Mar 2008 02:23 GMT
> On Mar 28, 9:04 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
>
> Not very discerning of you is it?

You know, I have always known that Chung was a retard, but this stuff is
just beyond the pale. Someone needs to put his stupid a.s away with those
parents.

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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 03:21 GMT
On Mar 28, 8:23 pm, "DarkSentinel"

> You know, I have always known that Chung was a retard, but this
stuff is
> just beyond the pale. Someone needs to put his stupid a.s away with
those
> parents.

Quoting Chung, "Wiser to believe in GOD and seek HIS will."

Maybe there is a God because from what has been said, Chung's daughter
does not live with Chung which I guess is God's will and the wise
thing.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 03:41 GMT
> Maybe there is a God because from what has been said, Chung's daughter
> does not live with Chung which I guess is God's will and the wise
> thing.

Are you shameless?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 04:11 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet
J666 - 29 Mar 2008 04:21 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungShameless
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 04:26 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 04:31 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungShameless

You could be stalking him.
If he asks for your true identity,
you might be legally bound to divulge it.

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monkfish

Tiger_Lily - 29 Mar 2008 04:56 GMT
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungShameless
>
> You could be stalking him.
> If he asks for your true identity,
> you might be legally bound to divulge it.

do you understand what PARODY means?????

Chung is so 'out of it' even HE can't see the parody of him

as for stalking him....... go to yellow pages, look up Andrew B Chung in
Mableton Georgia

look him up on the Georgia Board of Doctors (or whatever that list is)

Chung is widely known/available to track on the internet, or thru his
local police station
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 05:00 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKate
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 05:06 GMT
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungShameless
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Chung is widely known/available to track on the internet, or thru his
> local police station

That's the problem.
We all know who he actually is.

Who are you?

Signature

monkfish

Tiger_Lily - 29 Mar 2008 05:24 GMT
>>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungShameless
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Who are you?

you first! :)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 05:34 GMT
> > We all know who he actually is.
> >
> > Who are you?
> >
> you first! :)

It would be wiser for friend monkfish to simply pray for your
perishing soul as we, who are Jesus' disciples, are doing:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKate

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Cary Kittrell - 29 Mar 2008 17:51 GMT
> > > We all know who he actually is.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It would be wiser for friend monkfish to simply pray for your
> perishing soul

You see some reason he couldn't do both?

-- cary

> as we, who are Jesus' disciples, are doing:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
J666 - 29 Mar 2008 04:38 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/GodIsShemale
Mike Mordant - 29 Apr 2008 16:53 GMT
>> Sniped Chung-sense

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352949,00.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Apr 2008 18:51 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
Mike Mordant - 29 Apr 2008 20:55 GMT
> >> Sniped Chung-sense
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352949,00.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Apr 2008 21:00 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
Mike Mordant - 29 Apr 2008 21:09 GMT
On Apr 29, 3:00 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Apr 2008 21:13 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Justice
Mike Mordant - 29 Apr 2008 21:31 GMT
On Apr 29, 3:13 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Justice
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Apr 2008 10:36 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
Mike Mordant - 30 Apr 2008 13:44 GMT
On Apr 30, 4:36 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
Uncle Enrico - 29 Mar 2008 16:54 GMT
How did this couple of morons decide when to pray and when to give their
daughter what she needed to live?

Why not pray instead of feeding her or giving her water?

Why not pray instead of bandaging a deep cut that could lead to severe
blood loss?

Seems to me they just don't like anyone helping their daughter who has
an M.D. degree.

What kind of a bullsh*t religious belief is that?
 
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