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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008Just What is 2 pounds
Since the gravitational constant (g) depends on the square of the distance from the center of the earth, the weight of an object decreases with altitude. http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wteq.html So it is legitimate to ask just what is 2 pounds where it can vary by altitude. What is the standard - at what altitude is the 2 pounds set - the level of the desert where Moses et al wandered and got the manna from God? What is the level of accuracy of the scale that is needed - scales have variation and where is the scale against which all others are compared How is the weight adjusted taking into account the variation of altitude. What is the variation, either more or less, than what ever is the standard for 2 pounds at the correct altitude weighed on the correct scale, is allowable and be in conformity with the 2PD Omer Approach. Right now, about $3. In alt.support.diabetes J666 <jeaanon@gmail.com> wrote: : Since the gravitational constant (g) depends on the square of the : distance from the center of the earth, the weight of an object : decreases with altitude. : http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wteq.html : So it is legitimate to ask just what is 2 pounds where it can vary by : altitude. : What is the standard - at what altitude is the 2 pounds set - the : level of the desert where Moses et al wandered and got the manna from : God? : What is the level of accuracy of the scale that is needed - scales : have variation and where is the scale against which all others are : compared : How is the weight adjusted taking into account the variation of : altitude. : What is the variation, either more or less, than what ever is the : standard for 2 pounds at the correct altitude weighed on the correct : scale, is allowable and be in conformity with the 2PD Omer Approach. Inaddition, the omer is a measue of volume, not weight. We don't know what food weighs 2 pounds per omer. Is it Manna? Wendy J666 schrieb: > Since the gravitational constant (g) depends on the square of the > distance from the center of the earth, the weight of an object > decreases with altitude. > > http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wteq.html The gravitational constant is called that way because it is a constant. It does not change with time or place. What depends on the square of distance from the center of the earth is the gravitational acceleration. > So it is legitimate to ask just what is 2 pounds where it can vary by > altitude. > > What is the standard - at what altitude is the 2 pounds set - the > level of the desert where Moses et al wandered and got the manna from > God? Compared to the host of other problems that come with the 2-PD-approach, this is really irrelevant. If you want to eliminate this problem entirely, use a balance scale. It works independently of height. Thorsten >J666 schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The gravitational constant is called that way because it is a constant. >It does not change with time or place. Too bad it does. :)  SignatureWhen blondes have more fun, do they know it? Pastor Dave schrieb: >>J666 schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Too bad it does. :) It _so_ does not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant If you don't trust wikipedia, feel free to verify this with the encyclopedia or textbook of physics of your choice. Thorsten >Pastor Dave schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >It _so_ does not: Well, you said so and after all, you have a web link that says it doesn't, so I guess it must not, huh?! After all, biased people would never say anything that pats them on the back and scientists are god, right friend?! SignatureI hit the <CTRL> key, but I'm still not normal! This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/ Pastor Dave schrieb: >>Pastor Dave schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > that pats them on the back and scientists are god, > right friend?! As I wrote in my last posting: Please feel free to check Wikipedia with an offline encyclopedia or a physics textbook. Obviously, you have not done so, yet. Surely you own one of these books? If not, you should ask yourself whether you really feel qualified to question what more knowledgeable people than you have written on the subject. Thorsten >Pastor Dave schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Thorsten The 2pd thing is just a buzz word. Most object to DR. Chung's religious views and use the gimmick to hit at him. Many are very wrong to even comment. Dr Chung is well known. It is best to skip him even if his "eat less" is critical to the treatment of diabetes. So many are looking for way to to contimue what will hurt them in the long run. All of us have used eating for satisfaction since birth. Not easy. to change. Peope here that stike out at others are indulgent people and are exhibiting a small case of being inmature behavior. Never developed beyoud junior high school. This is a very skewed world and we need to be less selfish and everyone would be better off. But this is only a dream Ignore what you do not care about and leave this group to helping and informing about diabetes. DR Chung this includes you. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote: > >>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > DR Chung this includes you. Am not the OP of this thread. >Peope here that stike out at others are indulgent >people and are exhibiting a small case of being inmature >behavior. Never developed beyoud junior high school. "My only reason for being here is to shut people like you up." Guy. 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If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >Pastor Dave schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >yourself whether you really feel qualified to question what more >knowledgeable people than you have written on the subject. Don't worry, you're right because you said so and after all, no writings can be wrong! If they say so, then it's right, period, right?! The reality is, you read some material and don't know what you're talking about, but you figure that scientists are gods and can't be wrong and are never biased, even though they don't all agree with it. But hey, it's what you heard and it's what most of them say and that's proof enough for you! Of course, if you had to go into this subject in detail, you'd be lost. But why should that matter, when you want to pretend you know all about it? SignatureIn the beginning, God created... And He did it in six days and said He did it in six days (Exodus 20:11). Jesus believed that and referenced it, in Matthew 19:3-8 and in other places. The original Hebrew word for "day" ("yom"), is never used to mean anything but a literal day in the Bible, when a numerical adjective is present ("second, third, etc.). Are we to believe that this is somehow the one exception? On Mar 27, 10:41 am, Pastor Dave > In the beginning, God created... Even Chung does not believe in God Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Newsgroups: alt.flame.jesus.christ From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:21:09 -0400 Local: Sat, Mar 15 2008 11:21 pm Subject: The God FAQ http://www.400monkeys.com/God/index.html Chung did The God FAQ" http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.jesus.christ/msg/720037a207bfb15c where he post this site post:http://www.400monkeys.com/God/index.html where that web page had: THE OFFICIAL GOD FAQ Question: "Is there a God?" Answer: "No" http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan so that he remains: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan <>< > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What depends on the square of distance from the center of the earth is > the gravitational acceleration. Correct. > > So it is legitimate to ask just what is 2 pounds where it can vary by > > altitude. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this is really irrelevant. If you want to eliminate this problem > entirely, use a balance scale. It works independently of height. Balance scales were used by the Jews to measure out an omer of manna for each person in their tents (Exodus 16:16). The only problem with the 2PD-OMER Approach resides in those who suffer from the delusion that hunger is bad: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart May the following parable promote understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to pray for you perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForThorsten Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Balance scales were used by the Jews to measure out an omer of manna > for each person in their tents (Exodus 16:16). It is unlikely that they would have used scales to measure volumes. > The only problem with the 2PD-OMER Approach resides in those who > suffer from the delusion that hunger is bad: People don't like hunger. That is not a delusion, but a simple fact of life. Every diet or approach that depends upon persuading people to accept being hungry over an extended period of time is doomed to fail sooner or later. Thorsten On Mar 23, 4:08 pm, Thorsten Schier > It is unlikely that they would have used scales to measure volumes. Very true, but when someone like Chung uses "discerning" rather than thinking and ignores simple things like calling an Omer a weight were it is defined as volume, you cannot use reason to convince with him. It is like Chung defining in his mind that one plus one is three and then trying convince him that two plus two is not therefore six. His basic premises are wrong and therefore his conclusions are wrong. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > It is unlikely that they would have used scales to measure volumes. They used scales to ration manna into omers, which were equivalent amounts by mass, because to do so by volume was not going to be acceptable because of disputes that would happen over differing amounts of packing of the manna which is fluffy, tasting like "wafers made from honey." > > The only problem with the 2PD-OMER Approach resides in those who > > suffer from the delusion that hunger is bad: > > People don't like hunger. This does not change the fact that hunger is wonderful and believing otherwise, delusion. People don't like discipline, which when from GOD, is also wonderful. It is a wayward child that believes discipline from GOD is bad. > That is not a delusion, Actually, the false belief that discipline is bad is delusion. > but a simple fact of life. Incorrect. > Every diet or approach that depends upon persuading people to > accept being hungry over an extended period of time is doomed to fail > sooner or later. Without hunger, there simply would not be loss of the black fat (VAT) so that folks would fail to achieve optimal health from the outset of whatever they may be doing. Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Those who have a "change of heart" so that they no longer suffer from the delusion that hunger is bad are able to embrace hunger indefinitely. May the following parable promote understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable May we, who are Jesus' latter-day disciples, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForThorsten Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Mar 23, 4:54 pm, Tweedle - DUMMY > They used scales to ration manna into omers, which were equivalent > amounts by mass, because to do so by volume was not going to be > acceptable because of disputes that would happen over differing > amounts of packing of the manna which is fluffy, tasting like "wafers > made from honey." That fact that is nowhere written in Exodus about scales, is irrelevant when you make things up to meet your needs. Putting this whole issue aside, the fact that God instructed Moses about an Omer of manna, no matter how much that Omer is, that they same amount of any foods has the same result as the same amount of manna and therefore the 2PD of any food is not the same as 2PD of manna and cannot be based on the Bible. So the things that are wrong are that an Omer is defined as a volume and if it were a weight, 2 pounds of any combination of any foods or any food, from 2 pounds of chocolate to 2 pounds of Jello to 2 pounds of bread to 2 pounds of meat or 2 pounds of oatmeal are NOT the same as 2 pounds of manna, whatever exactly manna was. But to Chung's mentality and way of thinking, the above is irrelevant because it differs from his personal view. He is incapable of recognizing that and will just make up new things to counter this. > Since the gravitational constant (g) depends on the square of the > distance from the center of the earth, the weight of an object [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > standard for 2 pounds at the correct altitude weighed on the correct > scale, is allowable and be in conformity with the 2PD Omer Approach. What about for an omer placed in stable orbit? 2lbs is a good sh.t! |
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