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Study of macular degeneration (in eyes)

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Robert Miles - 17 Mar 2008 19:03 GMT
A study of macular degeneration (in the eyes):

http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=613570
Quentin Grady - 19 Mar 2008 05:27 GMT
>A study of macular degeneration (in the eyes):
>
>http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=613570

G'day G'day Robert,

 Thank you bringing the research to our attention.   It matters a lot
that we are able to share all current information.  Some of us find
it.  Some interpret it.  Some figure out what influence it might have
on what we do if anything to ameliorate complications.  

Put simply, ASD is a group effort and the only argument worth winning
is with the disease.  So special thanks for starting the ball rolling
once more in a positive direction.

Best wishes,

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W. Baker - 19 Mar 2008 14:39 GMT
: >A study of macular degeneration (in the eyes):
: >
: >http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=613570
: >
: G'day G'day Robert,

:   Thank you bringing the research to our attention.   It matters a lot
: that we are able to share all current information.  Some of us find
: it.  Some interpret it.  Some figure out what influence it might have
: on what we do if anything to ameliorate complications.  

: Put simply, ASD is a group effort and the only argument worth winning
: is with the disease.  So special thanks for starting the ball rolling
: once more in a positive direction.

: Best wishes,

: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

I emailed it to my retina doctor, with a few comments.  If he hasn't
already seen it, he will find it interesting.  Of course, it may well be
old news to those , like him, that always keep on top of things in their
profession.

Wendy
Quentin Grady - 20 Mar 2008 04:06 GMT
>I emailed it to my retina doctor, with a few comments.  If he hasn't
>already seen it, he will find it interesting.  Of course, it may well be
>old news to those , like him, that always keep on top of things in their
>profession.
>
>Wendy

Wendy.  I think you are GREAT.  

Let me explain why.  

Doctors are busy people.  My own GP is by my reckoning the best in the
shared practice.  Others obviously hold the same view so he is very
busy.   It's a bit of catch 22 situation.  The better they are the
busier they are so the more they need people like you to feed them
articles.  OK, some of them will have automated the process somewhat
by getting a journal to send them emails listing the latest relevant
research.  However, nothing is going to quite match the selectivity of
a patient who knows what is relevant to them.  

One of the paradigms held by many people here on ASD is our prognosis
is improved by taking responsibility for ourselves and finding ways to
keep the medical professionals we deal with interested and up to date
with what is relevant to us.   Its a team effort.  

Best wishes and congratulations.    
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Trinkwasser - 19 Mar 2008 22:37 GMT
>>A study of macular degeneration (in the eyes):
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>is with the disease.  So special thanks for starting the ball rolling
>once more in a positive direction.

True.

When I was thanking people for their contributions here I missed out
Robert. Sorry. Yet another one who digs out useful and interesting
stuff.
Quentin Grady - 20 Mar 2008 04:11 GMT
>True.
>
>When I was thanking people for their contributions here I missed out
>Robert. Sorry. Yet another one who digs out useful and interesting
>stuff.

Thanks.   I've been reading your posts with interest lately.  
People often remark that they turn to my posts to read first

Whom do I read?    

Well you are right up there because I find what you have to say
relevant and to the point.  I chuckled to myself when I saw you
chastising yourself for missing Robert from your list thanking people
for their contributions.  Funny that, isn't it.  

Only someone who considered it important to thank people and meant it
would do that IMHO.

Best wishes,
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Trinkwasser - 20 Mar 2008 20:35 GMT
>>True.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Thanks.   I've been reading your posts with interest lately.  
>People often remark that they turn to my posts to read first

And so they should.

(Rabbit casserole with celery carrots and onions, broccoli and red
wine tonight. Probably in a while I shall walk round the block if it
isn't snowing yet. Breakfast was smoked salmon oatcakes toasted
sunflower seeds and masses of salad. Later I shall have prawns cashew
nuts and crushed chillies with sesame oil and bean sprouts with more
salad and probably another oatcake. What have I missed nutritionally?
If anyone knows you will)

>Whom do I read?    
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Only someone who considered it important to thank people and meant it
>would do that IMHO.

You are most kind.

I consider it karma in a way, so many folks here have helped me so
much, filling in information that doctors had failed or omitted to
give me, and the result is that many many things I didn't even know
were related have improved.

Strangely certain people don't see this happening although it's pretty
much a daily occurrence here in the real newsgroup as opposed to the
figment of their imagination that they constantly criticise.

If I was more organised I'd do a better job of reposting useful cites
and previous posts, I'm working on it

OK, I think I lied about the walk, this is watching crap on TV weather
Quentin Grady - 21 Mar 2008 10:21 GMT
>>>True.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>salad and probably another oatcake. What have I missed nutritionally?
>If anyone knows you will)

G'day G'day,

Well that is a pretty amazing meal with a wide variety of foods.  It
is bound to include most things.  I doubt you are missing anything so
long as you're not eating this each and every day.   It looks like a
fabulous starter.  If you have other dishes with as many ingredients
is would be next to impossible to get a deficiency.

Oatcakes are likely to be good choice of grain thanks to their soluble
fibre content.  The salmon besides providing omega-3 also provide
astaxanthin, the pink stuff that helps prevent further deterioration
of the beta cells in the pancreas.

I'd include orange capsicums (bell peppers) for the eyes, avocados and
cranberries in some other dishes.

>>Whom do I read?    
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>give me, and the result is that many many things I didn't even know
>were related have improved.

That is one of the big surprises isn't it.  People come here with the
hope that they might get information that helps them with diabetes.
What they find is that when blood glucose is controlled and one takes
on effective exercise chances are so many other things that hadn't
seemed to be related also improve.

[snip]

>If I was more organised I'd do a better job of reposting useful cites
>and previous posts, I'm working on it

Some people are that organized.  I have to search with Google just to
find my own posts on various subjects.  Some I never find.

>OK, I think I lied about the walk, this is watching crap on TV weather

We've watched some Poirot DVDS.  We like the DVDs but the stories are
very short.  Lots of the BBC productions take some beating.

Best wishes,  
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Trinkwasser - 22 Mar 2008 19:49 GMT
>>>>True.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>fabulous starter.  If you have other dishes with as many ingredients
>is would be next to impossible to get a deficiency.

And that's why I was so fsking annoyed with the Clueless Dietician who
basically told me I was not eating the sort of foods I actually was
eating. The only difference was that then I was eating toxic levels of
carbs, Healthy Wholegrain brown rice, Healthy Wholegrain muesli and
Healthy Wholegrain wholemeal bread as well. Which were the things she
told me to eat more of . . .

. . . in retrospect it becomes impossible to believe they didn't know
what was going on, the best spin I can put on their treatment of me
was that they knew I had an untreatable progressive disease and were
putting off telling me until it became unavoidable.

Fortunatly my current bunch of Medical Professionals are far more,
well, professional. I caught my GP buying stuff in the veg shop the
other day so I was making sure she bought five colours (tongue in
cheek)

>Oatcakes are likely to be good choice of grain thanks to their soluble
>fibre content.  The salmon besides providing omega-3 also provide
>astaxanthin, the pink stuff that helps prevent further deterioration
>of the beta cells in the pancreas.

Yup, and the prawns. I can't persuade mother to eat prawns as she's
been sick after eating them once or twice.

>I'd include orange capsicums (bell peppers) for the eyes, avocados and
>cranberries in some other dishes.

Yup, had the red yellow and green capsicums yesterday and today: the
remnants of the rabbit with said peppers, mushrooms, bacon (puts off
the rabbit poisoning I guess) and DIY curry powder made fromturmeric
(with black pepper, thank you) coriander cumin and chillies and thyme
(I removed the remains of the bay leaves) served over quinoa. Had the
avocado the other day (and persuaded mother to eat the other half) I
used to drink hordes of cranberry juice <sigh> haven't had the berries
while they've been out of season but have just had some more
strawberries, will they do? <G>

>>>Whom do I read?    
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>on effective exercise chances are so many other things that hadn't
>seemed to be related also improve.

Indeed, and one of the weirdest things has been how much easier the
exercise is: I can recall at one stage I'd be doing something like
cutting the hedge and be so exhausted after ten minutes I'd have to
stop for an hour (unlike Chris Malcolm I don't entirely eschew power
tools, I used to have a big powerful petrol trimmer which was quite a
workout in itself, waving it around at arm's length and over my head
while it vibrated -  and being so fast and powerful meant there was a
massive job of clearing up and shredding the trimmings as it cut so
much so fast) in retrospect the BG was bouncing back and forth from
high to low so fast my muscles barely had the chance to gulp enough
glucose as it passed through "normal")

>>If I was more organised I'd do a better job of reposting useful cites
>>and previous posts, I'm working on it
>
>Some people are that organized.  I have to search with Google just to
>find my own posts on various subjects.  Some I never find.

I keep a database on my own disk, and copy certain posts into a
keepfile. Agent has one exceptional feature in that it will import and
export stuff in bog-standard Unix Mailbox ,mbx files, not uncommon
except for Micro$oftware which has obviously never heard of standards.

>>OK, I think I lied about the walk, this is watching crap on TV weather
>
>We've watched some Poirot DVDS.  We like the DVDs but the stories are
>very short.  Lots of the BBC productions take some beating.

For now.
W. Baker - 22 Mar 2008 20:30 GMT
: And that's why I was so fsking annoyed with the Clueless Dietician who
: basically told me I was not eating the sort of foods I actually was
: eating. The only difference was that then I was eating toxic levels of
: carbs, Healthy Wholegrain brown rice, Healthy Wholegrain muesli and
: Healthy Wholegrain wholemeal bread as well. Which were the things she
: told me to eat more of . . .

Trink,
you have to realize that these dieticians are trained to believe that al
these "healthy Wholegrains" are absolutely essential to a "healthy " life
and if they increase your bg,then your MD should prescribe more meds for
you.  By training they are unable to understad that you can get the same
nutrient and fiber by eating low sarch assorted vegetables and not need as
much medication that may well have undesireable side effects.  It is duned
into their heads at dieticians school until it becomes a total reflex.

Wendy
Trinkwasser - 24 Mar 2008 16:41 GMT
>: And that's why I was so fsking annoyed with the Clueless Dietician who
>: basically told me I was not eating the sort of foods I actually was
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>much medication that may well have undesireable side effects.  It is duned
>into their heads at dieticians school until it becomes a total reflex.

Yes, that's the distinction Chris Malcolm made between people who are
trained vs. people who are educated.

Wait and see what happens as grains become less profitable and dietary
recommendations return to something more physiologically useful . . .

(I used to believe the same stuff, though not to the degree of the
"macrobiotic diet" where you exist purely on brown rice)
 
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