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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008One for lil ol wine drinker Alan
"Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the brain associated with memory and spatial awareness, and one of the first areas to be affected by Alzheimer's disease..." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl e_id=535988&in_page_id=1798 > "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists > claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the > brain associated with memory and spatial awareness, and one of the first > areas to be affected by Alzheimer's disease..."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.htm... Gee Thanks, Peter. That is just depressing! Maybe Dr. Delusion is right. Lets just starve ourselves with the knowledge that "none of that evil food or drink can hurt us now!" :o( Just kidding, ....but not really. The more I research, and test, the more confused I become. No wonder so many folks just give up. Linda CyberGirl wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists > claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the > brain associated with memory and spatial awareness, and one of the first > areas to be affected by Alzheimer's disease..."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietf itness.htm... Gee Thanks, Peter. That is just depressing! Maybe Dr. Delusion is right. Lets just starve ourselves with the knowledge that "none of that evil food or drink can hurt us now!" :o( Just kidding, ....but not really. The more I research, and test, the more confused I become. No wonder so many folks just give up. Linda *********** Yep, and for every study, there is a counter study that debunks that study, so best to just use moderation in most things IMO. According to many studies, I'm truly amazed that I'm even alive, but then the next study might say I'm not, I just think I am. ;-) Cheri > CyberGirl wrote in message ... > On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > [ . . . ] > I'm truly amazed that I'm even alive, but then the next > study might say I'm not, I just think I am. ;-) ". . . Life is but a dream. Feniculi, fenicula!"  SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> [ . . . ] >> I'm truly amazed that I'm even alive, but then the next >> study might say I'm not, I just think I am. ;-) You think therefor you am I think :-) RodS > ". . . Life is but a dream. Feniculi, fenicula!" > >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... > >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > ". . . Life is but a dream. Feniculi, fenicula!" "Sum, ergo cogito!" SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >> >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >"Sum, ergo cogito!" Cogito, ergo bibo? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>> >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>> >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cogito, ergo bibo? I'm pink, therefor I'm ham. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) > >>> >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... > >>> >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Okay, so how many glasses of wine did y'all have when you went down the Latin line and ended up with "I'm pink, therefore I'm ham"? ;-p LOL! Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise >>> >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>> >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Translate this into Lantin please: Impress me, do the right thing, even when you don't want to. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> >> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >> >> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >"Sum, ergo cogito!" Cogito ergo spud. I think I'll have a potato. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>> [ . . . ] >>> I'm truly amazed that I'm even alive, but then the next >>> study might say I'm not, I just think I am. ;-) >You think therefor you am Rene Descartes was in a cafe "Would you like coffee?" asked the waitress "I think not!" said Descartes and disappeared (the old ones are the best) >>>> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>>> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >(the old ones are the best) Few people know the true significance of his famous quote. Rene's wife threw a dinner party. She had it planned so that the guests would get a late snack before leaving. The guests usually liked to depart around 2 AM, so she planned to give them the snacks around 1 AM. She had them all made up and set out on the kitchen table. She admonished Rene, telling him to make sure that nobody ate any of the snacks on the table until it was time to serve them. As the evening wore on, Rene got into a discussion about existence with one of his colleagues. They were sitting at the kitchen table, quite engrossed in their talk, and Rene's wife walked in and started rummaging around in a cupboard. Rene's colleague absently picked up one of the snacks and popped it into his mouth. Rene glanced at his wife, and noting that she had not seen this, and not wanting to alert her, he quickly scrawled a note and passed it to his colleague. His colleague said "Very perceptive, Rene.", and picked up another snack. The note said "I think they're for 1 AM" SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>>>> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>>>> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >The note said "I think they're for 1 AM" <shudder> Actual true story, a friend of mine and his wife were visiting another friend, and had been smoking not inconsiderable quantities of fine hash. Around ten o'clock he looked at the *barometer* on the wall "Good grief, woman, it's half past two, we must be off" and dragged her out the door before everyone else could stop laughing . . . >>> CyberGirl wrote in message ... >>> On Mar 17, 11:55 am, "Peter C" <pete...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >RodS therefore you have a headache, have some Excedrin migraine tablets on the house. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > > "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists > > claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Linda It's best to take each study with a grain of salt. I never base my decisions on an individual study, because tomorrow another study may come along that refutes it. I think about the schtick with coffee that's been going on since the 80's: first it was related to heart disease; then it wasn't. Next it reduced the chance of Alzheimer's, but could cause anxiety. And on and on. The only thing that's been consistent in coffee studies is that it increases the risk of miscarriage in pregnant women. Also you have to look at the whole picture. For example, women who imbibe alcohol over the recommended amount may increase their risk of breast cancer, while lowering their risk of heart disease. However, the fact of the matter is that statistically, women are more likely to get and die of heart disease than they are of breast cancer. So I go ahead and drink occasionally, enjoy it, and figure there's no cut & dried answer for our health. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise >> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Just kidding, ....but not really. The more I research, and test, the > more confused I become. No wonder so many folks just give up. It's hard sometimes, but worth it in the end. Take all the research with a pinch of salt, as others have said, there'll be some more along in a bit that contradicts it. Do your own checks for your own circumstances. I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble at all remembering things or finding their way. A lot of them seem to survive to a fit old age, as well. ;-) Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig "Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". SignatureTciao for Now! John. >>> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >>> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >a pinch of salt, as others have said, there'll be some more along in a >bit that contradicts it. Do your own checks for your own circumstances. Noooo, not salt, it may increase your BP >I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at >the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig >"Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". Yes I tend to agree, we're all going to die, the difference is how we live in the meantime >>>> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >>>> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Noooo, not salt, it may increase your BP You have the salt substitute, then. My BP's fine ;-) >> I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at >> the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes I tend to agree, we're all going to die, the difference is how we > live in the meantime Indeed. As a friend of mine used to say "It's *not* a rehearsal." SignatureTciao for Now! John. >>>>> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >>>>> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >You have the salt substitute, then. My BP's fine ;-) Yes mine is too, thanks to the kind folks here (I don't appear to be sodium sensitive but I had an outbreak of foot calf and leg cramps again recently which I hadn't had since I first started getting my BG in line. God knows what set it off this time but I've been trying Lo-Salt instead which seems to be helping. Or it may have gotten better on its own, we'll never know.) Actually the salt substitute may be worse for some folks, excess potassium is contraindicated with some diuretics and other BP meds, worth remarking on. >>> I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at >>> the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Indeed. As a friend of mine used to say "It's *not* a rehearsal." Wouldn't it be annoying if it was? >>>>>> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >>>>>> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > potassium is contraindicated with some diuretics and other BP meds, > worth remarking on. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's reaction every time he takes it. Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on sodium. One day we'll get it all worked out. >>>> I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at >>>> the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Wouldn't it be annoying if it was? As the Buddhists (Among others) believe? But this isn't a group about religion, so I'll quietly move along now. ;-) SignatureTciao for Now! John. >>>>>>> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >>>>>>> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's >reaction every time he takes it. Yes I like that reaction too <G> >Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on >sodium. >One day we'll get it all worked out. Well I tried taking more salt and not a lot happened so I thought I;d try the opposite. Of course the fact they went away again may or may not be connected. >>>>> I've not had chance to read that particular article, as I'm in France at >>>>> the moment, which is full of wine drinkers who seem to have no trouble [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >But this isn't a group about religion, so I'll quietly move along now. ;-) Be useful to be reincarnated as a mouse, most everything cures *their* diabetes >> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... >> My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's >> reaction every time he takes it. > > Yes I like that reaction too <G> Good, isn't it? :-) >> Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on >> sodium. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > try the opposite. Of course the fact they went away again may or may > not be connected. Take the simplest theory that fits the facts. (Occam?) >>>>>> Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig >>>>>> "Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Be useful to be reincarnated as a mouse, most everything cures *their* > diabetes It doesn't seem as easy with us :-( SignatureTciao for Now! John. >>> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... >>> My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >Good, isn't it? :-) Kind of takes the wind out of their sails >>> Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on >>> sodium. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Take the simplest theory that fits the facts. (Occam?) I also forgot, I'd increased my sodium consumption anyway by snorting some sodium bicarbonate prior to lying down: for some reason ranitidine is crap at controlling my acid reflux whereas famotidine works well, and while I suspect the Alpha-Lipoic Acid was also partly to blame, now I've returned to the famotidine I've been able to reduce though not (yet) eliminate the bicarb. So I thought, if that's making it worse let's try the opposite. >>>>>>> Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig >>>>>>> "Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >It doesn't seem as easy with us :-( Not eating the same food as mice helps . . . >>>> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... >>>> My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kind of takes the wind out of their sails Until he got automated, I loved the way his face fell at the same rate as the mercury. :-D >>>> Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on >>>> sodium. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > though not (yet) eliminate the bicarb. So I thought, if that's making > it worse let's try the opposite. That would suit Occam, given *all* the facts. :-) >>>>>>>> Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig >>>>>>>> "Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not eating the same food as mice helps . . . <Stereotype alert> Oh, I don't know, I quite like a bit of cheese..... ;-) At least I don't have to keep the bread in the fridge to keep the mice & other vermin away from it where I live now. SignatureTciao for Now! John. >>>>> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... >>>>> My BP is better than it has any right to be, judging by my doctor's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Until he got automated, I loved the way his face fell at the same rate >as the mercury. :-D My old idiot was so affronted by how fast I was falling apart on the Healthy High Carb Diet that he accused me if not following it. My new one is highly supportive and somewhat surprised whenever I show her my graphs of BG and BP, I don't think she ever saw anyone not get worse before . . . >>>>> Odd that lo-salt helps your cramps, mine are usually from being low on >>>>> sodium. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >That would suit Occam, given *all* the facts. :-) Of course it still might be coincidence. >>>>>>>>> Then use the idea that Alan S quotes in his Sig >>>>>>>>> "Everything in Moderation - Except laughter". [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] ><Stereotype alert> >Oh, I don't know, I quite like a bit of cheese..... ;-) Little known fact, it's not mice but *cats* that prefer cheese. >At least I don't have to keep the bread in the fridge to keep the mice & >other vermin away from it where I live now. One place I lived I had a semi-tame mouse who was highly useful: provided I kept the food locked away he would come out at night and clean the crud off my cooker, all I needed to do was wipe up the turds. > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:39:15 +0000, John Williamson > >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:24:02 +0000, John Williamson > >>>>> [ . . . ]I had an outbreak of foot calf and leg cramps > again recently which I hadn't had since I first started getting my BG > in line. [ . . . ] I used to get sever leg cramps a couple of times a night. I started taking Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc and Selenium supplements. Since then I still get leg cramps, maybe once a week, but not very severe. There's a prescription medication for them, but when I checked on the side effects, I decided against it. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:39:15 +0000, John Williamson >> >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:24:02 +0000, John Williamson [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >medication for them, but when I checked on the side effects, I decided >against it. My old man was prescribed Quinine but there are a lot more contraindications these days. We get hordes ofcalcium in the water and selenium in locally grown food, and probably magnesium in my nuts and greens. I also tried zinc for a month like the magnesium pills but nothing seemed to change, and salt didn't seem to help so I went for the potassium as about the only variable left. Mine started up again recently after a long hiatus and now they've gone away again so God knows what caused or cured them. Well my toe did start to curl the other day while I had been gardening but I think it was just objecting to the cold. Looks like we're getting a White Easter . . . > "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists > claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the > brain associated with memory and spatial awareness, and one of the first > areas to be affected by Alzheimer's disease..." > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl e_id=535988&in_page_id=1798 Hi Peter C, 1) It is much easier to see what you are talking about if you give the proper reference : Alcohol and Alcoholism 2008 Jan 31 Hippocampal Volume Loss in Patients with Alcoholism is Influenced by the Consumed Type of Alcoholic Beverage. AIMS: The individual extent of structural brain tissue changes in patients with alcohol dependence is influenced by genetic factors, gender, age and possibly a dose/duration-effect. Aim of the present study was to investigate different types of alcoholic beverages with regard to hippocampal volume loss in patients suffering from alcoholism. METHODS: We included 52 patients with alcohol dependence and divided them according to their preferred type of beverage consumption (beer, wine, and spirits). Hippocampal volumes were determined using volumetric high-resolution MR imaging. RESULTS: There was a significant difference in hippocampal volumes between patients consuming different beverages (ANOVA: F = 7.454; df = 2; P = 0.0015) with the smallest volumes in the wine group, followed by the spirits group. Furthermore, patients with a preferred spirits consumption showed significantly higher plasma homocysteine levels (ANOVA: F = 3.39; df = 2; P = 0.042). Linear regression analyses revealed an association of homocysteine and hippocampal volume only in the group of patients preferring spirits (R(2) = 0.364; P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: Homocysteine-mediated excitotoxicity may be an important pathophysiological mechanism in ethanol-related brain damage, particularly in patients consuming wine and spirits. The extent of brain atrophy in beer consuming patients seems to be more moderate. Pubmed ID : 18238850 2)The introduction says : Excessive alcohol consumption leads to structural brain changes.... and : The aim of this study was to investigate the influence of different types of alcoholic beverages on hippocampal volume in patients suffering from alcohol dependence. So this is about Excessive alcohol consumption even to the point where a vitamin B deficiency occurs.Then beer drinkers have a slight advantage : there is vit B in Beer. All literature on the beneficial effects of wine recommend a moderate consumption of 1 or 2 glasses/day Your headline has nothing to do with the research Just my opinion hth Gys >> "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists >> claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Your headline has nothing to do with the research > Just my opinion I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring omission in the media hype story was the word "excessive". >I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had >now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring >omission in the media hype story was the word "excessive". Alan went away again? Is he coming back? : >I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had : >now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring : >omission in the media hype story was the word "excessive". : Alan went away again? Is he coming back? Yup! He is on another world tour. Wendy >: >I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had >: >now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yup! He is on another world tour. thank wendy! >>I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had >>now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring >>omission in the media hype story was the word "excessive". > > Alan went away again? Is he coming back? Yep, travelling to Europe, hopefully he will come back, at least I am sure his wife hopes that too :) >>>I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had >>>now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yep, travelling to Europe, hopefully he will come back, at least I am sure >his wife hopes that too :) Europe, wow what a jet=setter! And he didn't invite me to go with him......oh well I'm busy building a computer. >>>I think Peter is becoming obsessed with Alan, that is two digs he has had >>>now since Alan went away. Thanks for the proper study Gys. A glaring [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yep, travelling to Europe, hopefully he will come back, at least I am sure >his wife hopes that too :) No we're going to kidnap him (we might let him go in a hostage exchange for Quentin) >No we're going to kidnap him > >(we might let him go in a hostage exchange for Quentin) Hmmmm : ) I'm just contemplating what I'm going to feed Alan - if I go with confit de canard, what would you like on your salad instead? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>No we're going to kidnap him >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm just contemplating what I'm going to feed Alan - if I go with >confit de canard, what would you like on your salad instead? Oh I can eat duck as long as you promise not to tell the ones that live around here. More salad? Fish? We've currently got a pheasant in the garden again, I'm putting a casserole out on the patio, get him used to the idea . . . <evil grin> > > "Drinking wine damages the brain more than beer or spirits, scientists > > claim. They say it particularly affects the hippocampus, the part of the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > hth > Gys Thanks, Gys. I picked up, straightaway, that it was about excessive consumption of alcohol - maybe I should have said something sooner so people wouldnt have got so depressed :P >Your headline has nothing to do with the research >Just my opinion Thanks for the real story, Gys. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 |
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