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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008Taubes
Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to have been republished as The Diet Delusion Maybe he read the debate here about the title? He has been informed that calories are meaningless (ie neither good nor bad) because they are not measurable for food that is to be eaten. Truth is simple. It remains smarter (and Taubes now know this) to eat less, down to the right about: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to > have been republished as The Diet Delusion > > Maybe he read the debate here about the title? "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc23@emorycardiology.com> > He has been informed that calories are meaningless (ie neither good > nor bad) because they are not measurable for food that is to be eaten. And you have been informed that what you wrote is the silliest anti-scientific claim since "superoxygenated water". Now what? -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And you have been informed that what you wrote is the silliest > anti-scientific claim since "superoxygenated water". No, I have not been informed of something as stupid as what you have written. You are possibly getting this from satan: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Losersatan > Now what? In the truth, the truthful will remain steadfast: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d52ba40e8a39e34? Bottom line: You remain pathologically untruthful. This simply shows yet again that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, I have not been informed of something as stupid as what you have > written. Well then, now you have. Now, now, no need to thank me. -- cary > You are possibly getting this from satan: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well then, now you have. Serves well to remind us of the perilous state of your perishing soul... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell ... and that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to pray for you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren On Mar 13, 3:28 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren It is interesting how people use God to justify their own views - whether it leads to war,terror and death or to an absurd diet. Chung is a "diet terrorist" with his "God-based" non-scientific "approach." Fortunately most on these lists know that and his claims and reasoning are absurd so that most people will understand that. There are some who will fall for it, but as P. T. Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute. No doubt Chung's response to this will be a variation of his usual responses, which are proof itself of what I have said. satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > It is interesting how people use God to justify their own views - Praying to GOD is simply asking HIM for help. Whether HE helps Cary or not is up to HIM. GOD's will be done and not our will. You never could wrap your brain around this simple concept and so you will always be a loser, satan: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Losersatan May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren "No doubt Chung's response to this will be a variation of his usual responses, which are proof itself of what I have said." On Mar 13, 4:11 pm, Tweedle-Dummy > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren QED >Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to >have been republished as The Diet Delusion > >Maybe he read the debate here about the title? Oh BUGGER I got Chunged, sorry folks :( Trinkwasser says... >Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to >have been republished as The Diet Delusion > >Maybe he read the debate here about the title? I think that's just the title the publisher uses in the UK. Same book, different title. I don't know why they would need to do that. > Trinkwasser says... > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think that's just the title the publisher uses in the UK. Same > book, different title. I don't know why they would need to do that. A simple parable for the wise and discerning to understand: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren >Trinkwasser says... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I think that's just the title the publisher uses in the UK. Same >book, different title. I don't know why they would need to do that. Same reason they call Effexor Efexor I expect I wonder if it will be republished under the new title elsewhere? (maybe it didn't sell well enough, they're hoping people will buy it twice) >> Trinkwasser says... >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (maybe it didn't sell well enough, they're hoping people will buy it > twice) i just went to Amazon.uk and entered Gary Taubes and 2 books that he published are listed...... they have Good Calories; Bad Calories in the UK as well someone was given the wrong information kate >>> Trinkwasser says... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >someone was given the wrong information Look further, the Good Calories Bad Calories link is to "other sellers" and secondhand copies. The subtitle is identical. I checked with the publisher and various other shops including the local one where I ordered it, looked at the wholesaler's screen on their computer. (Strangely a different book I ordered at the same time was available at several different prices from several different publishers, but only one was actually capable of being ordered). The publishing biz can be weird. Also very annoying, I ordered a reference book at enormous expense once, then a couple of week later it was being remaindered at 1/3 the original price in a local shop that specialised in remaindered books, dammit! >>>> Trinkwasser says... >>>>> >>>>> Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to >>>>> have been republished as The Diet Delusion >>>>> >>>>> Maybe he read the debate here about the title? LOL - a result !! >The publishing biz can be weird. Also very annoying, I ordered a >reference book at enormous expense once, then a couple of week later >it was being remaindered at 1/3 the original price in a local shop >that specialised in remaindered books, dammit! And another real annoyance, many films have different titles in the UK and the US and when shown on TV they may be under either name. Do you suffer from that in Canada or is it a specifically British problem? AND another annoyance, when they remake a film with the original title. I just finished watching the remake of Get Carter! the original was a brilliant movie in the gritty 70s UK format (and had particular nostalgic value for me as I used to live in the area and have drunk in the pub by the station where it starts, and remember the bucket elevator tipping the coal wastes out to sea) the remake is like a cartoon version of the original :( > Trinkwasser says... >> >>Was just going to order Good Calories Bad Calories, but it appears to >>have been republished as The Diet Delusion >> >>Maybe he read the debate here about the title? > I think that's just the title the publisher uses in the UK. Same > book, different title. I don't know why they would need to do that. Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it having a sensational title. Now that it has demonstrated selling potential, and possibly with the UK book market needing less sensational titling, I expect he took the opportunity to settle on a title he felt was less misleading.  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they > thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it > having a sensational title. Yeah, but Random House (Borzai division) gave him a $700,000 advance and five years to produce the book. (!) That advance paid for a whole lot of research; Taubes at one point had five researchers at different universities (in both the US and Europe) digging out old research articles for him. For that kind of faith in the project, I say Random House gets to name the book any dang way they want. Adam Becker Sr >> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they >> thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Adam Becker Sr WOW. Nearly three quarters of a million advance. It's a all a bit hard to imagine. Good on Random house. IMHO it was a book that cried out to be published. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they >>> thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Best wishes, Hi Quentin, I just bought Taubes book but haven't had a chance to crack into it just yet. At the moment I am reading another amazing book called "The Omnivores Dilemma". I haven't been following any of the threads on Taubes book, but seeing a positive comment from you about it, is a positive thing. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn : >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they : >>> thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : > : > Best wishes, : Hi Quentin, : I just bought Taubes book but haven't had a chance to crack into it just : yet. At the moment I am reading another amazing book called "The Omnivores : Dilemma". : I haven't been following any of the threads on Taubes book, but seeing a : positive comment from you about it, is a positive thing. : Evelyn Read both and found both extremely worth while. My son put meon to the Omnivore's dilemma and I amglad he did. I found the last section less rewarding with all that boar humting and mushroom gathering. Taubes I found a very worthwhile read, but hard going, given my lack of scientific background. Some parts required me to read and reread many times. I guess that is good for keeoping my head growing:-) Wendy > : >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what > they [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Wendy Hi Wendy, Thanks so much for explaining. I am now feeling a little daunted, as I definitely do not enjoy reading really technical stuff, but I realize that in order to back up his theories he needs to have it in there for those who can understand it. :-) I am hoping that he also has enough in simple layperson's terms that I will not be lost to what he is trying to say? SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Truth is simpler: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable It remains simply smarter, to eat less down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > > : >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what > > they [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Evelyn On Mar 19, 1:38 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > Truth is simpler: > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > > Evelyn Cary said it well keep dancing! ;-) http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow ;-) You missed the point, again. "ARF ARF BOW BOW", said the dog. "Here comes Andy!", shouted Mike. "QUACK", said the duck. ;-) > On Mar 19, 1:38 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > ;-) Do the Funky Michael Jackson, Andy! >> : >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for >> what they [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > really technical stuff, but I realize that in order to back up his > theories he needs to have it in there for those who can understand it. :-) Don't be. His book may be technical but he explains things very well IMO. It took me almost 3 months to read, but I was looking up related things online all through. The book has given me lots of food for thought. I'm giving my copy to my endo to read. She read the dust cover and expressed interest when I had it last visit. "Nutrition For Blokes" is next on my list, then "The Omnivore's Dilemma". Vicki > I am hoping that he also has enough in simple layperson's terms that I > will not be lost to what he is trying to say? You'll have no problem, I assure you. >"Nutrition For Blokes" is next on my list, then "The Omnivore's Dilemma". I see I shall have to invent some more birthdays Yes I missed out on Quentin's epic but I'm aiming for a copy of the second edition, thanks for the heads up on the Ominvore's Dilemma also, sounds like another worthwhile read. I've finally gotten round to buying Becker's First Year and B*rnst*in to add to all the information I've picked up here and on the many recommended websites and papers. Hmmm, keep the books on the top shelf and lift them down and back up several times a day then they'll still work even while you're not reading them > I just bought Taubes book but haven't had a chance to crack into it just > yet. At the moment I am reading another amazing book called "The > Omnivores Dilemma". I haven't gotten to either. Currently working on another amazing book called "Nutrition for Blokes" SignatureWes Groleau "What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing; it also depends on what kind of person you are." -- C.S.Lewis >> I just bought Taubes book but haven't had a chance to crack into it just >> yet. At the moment I am reading another amazing book called "The >> Omnivores Dilemma". > >I haven't gotten to either. Currently working on another >amazing book called "Nutrition for Blokes" pretty good read so far. I think I found a new curse word. 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If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>> Taubes was annoyed that the only publisher he could find for what they >>> thought was a rather too technical book to sell well insisted on it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >It's a all a bit hard to imagine. Good on Random house. >IMHO it was a book that cried out to be published. My copy arrived yesterday but I'm not allowed to read it until my birthday That's an amazing amount for a non-fiction book advance, someone there must have some sense, ISTR Random House used to publish some excellent stuff way back in the dim and distant past: nice to see they're still at it. |
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