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guys@consolidated.net - 13 Mar 2008 17:02 GMT This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
The problem it will take a generation to find the answers.
But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
If you like it, do it and RELAX.
Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
The includes the food and medical industry.
At least the oil situation may lead to more walking and that seems to be important.
Stress is a verified killer.
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Uncle Enrico - 13 Mar 2008 15:27 GMT > This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Stress is a verified killer. Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are more dangerous than helpful to them.
guys@consolidated.net - 13 Mar 2008 17:56 GMT >> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are >more dangerous than helpful to them. It will twke many years to say much about this except it seem to make blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus. I will not be around to find out.
Hell, do anythng you find that helps
I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your health. Relax and enjoy your life.
We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us does the best we can.
In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
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Uncle Enrico - 13 Mar 2008 16:34 GMT > I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your > health. Relax and enjoy your life. That's good advice for one and all. :)
Andy - 13 Mar 2008 22:26 GMT said...
> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us > does the best we can. > > In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot. Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
Andy -- 6'3, 197lbs. HBP (Dx 1978/Rx 1995) Pancreatitus (Dx Christmas Day, 2004) Gout (Dx/Rx May 2007) dormant/mild aggravation T2 (Dx Nov. 2007) A little late?!! 9-yrs-old (Steps on dead tree branch, falls 20 feet, breaks right arm) 50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg) "Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown
Tiger_Lily - 13 Mar 2008 23:05 GMT > said... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Andy oh no Andy! sorry to hear this :(
i hope it heals quickly for you
kate
Andy - 14 Mar 2008 00:10 GMT Tiger_Lily said...
>> said... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > kate kate,
Thanks!
It only hurts when I walk! <GRIN/FROWN>
At least I'll get to try out the on-line supermarket and drug-store shopping & delivery systems. I'm pretty well stocked for food but low on BG strips.
I already called the garbage collection company for a "garage door" pickup. It's too far to the curb for awhile.
Best,
Andy Ask me if I HATE stairs!
Julie Bove - 14 Mar 2008 00:41 GMT > Tiger_Lily said... > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Andy > Ask me if I HATE stairs! Wow! I didn't know they would come to the door to pick up the trash. Wonder if they will do that here? I got an online supermarket delivery once and it was great!
Andy - 14 Mar 2008 01:42 GMT Julie Bove said...
> Wow! I didn't know they would come to the door to pick up the trash. > Wonder if they will do that here? I got an online supermarket delivery > once and it was great! I've seen a mini garbage truck back into the neighbor's driveway on trash days, so I rang up the garbage company and it's $20.00 extra every billing cycle ($55.00/two months, so it's $75), with no long term commitment. A great deal, in my condition.
Best,
Andy
Julie Bove - 14 Mar 2008 03:41 GMT > Julie Bove said... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > great > deal, in my condition. Would be nice! I don't know that we have such a service here though.
Lerp - 16 Mar 2008 00:17 GMT > Tiger_Lily said... > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do you hate stairs?
Andy - 16 Mar 2008 13:44 GMT Lerp said...
>> Ask me if I HATE stairs!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Do you hate stairs? I do now! :((( ;)
Andy
DarkSentinel - 17 Mar 2008 08:32 GMT > Lerp said... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I do now! :((( ;) I can certainly sympathize with you Andy. Was on crutches quite a while when I had my ankle destroyed. You might try wrapping some foam rubber around the ends with some towel pieces stitched/pinned around it. That's what I did when I was stuck on them. Much easier on the armpits. Speedy recovery...:)
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Cheri - 14 Mar 2008 00:21 GMT Andy wrote in message ...
>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg >on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under >his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!"> > >Andy Speedy healing Andy.
Cheri
Andy - 14 Mar 2008 02:12 GMT Cheri said...
> Andy wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cheri Cheri,
Thanks!
Best,
Andy
Quentin Grady - 15 Mar 2008 02:47 GMT >Andy wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Cheri SAME.
I hadn't been following the latest "conspiracy" and almost missed Andy's post.
Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery.
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Andy - 15 Mar 2008 03:11 GMT Quentin Grady said...
>>Andy wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery. Thanks!
I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency before I left, rather just sized them to me.
They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared (the ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic place 24/7 no doubt.
I see the bone doctor on Monday.
Best,
Andy
Cheri - 15 Mar 2008 03:43 GMT Andy wrote in message ...
>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are >killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Andy What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
:-) Cheri
Andy - 15 Mar 2008 04:10 GMT Cheri said...
> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let > you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure > it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain. >:-) > > Cheri Cheri,
I thought that was strange too! On overnight stays, they insisted I get wheelchaired outside.
They gave me a 600mg Motrin before leaving (since I drove myself there) and a paper script for 10 Percoset pills. Very strong stuff I now know!!!
I also bought a box of plain ibuprofen. I also have my Indocen (same thing [for gout]). No dopiness, just anti-inflamatory. And I know NOT to mix each.
Best,
Andy
bj - 15 Mar 2008 17:45 GMT Andy -- was it you having trouble with the crutches? You're supposed to put most of the weight on your hands, not your armpits! bj
Andy - 15 Mar 2008 18:30 GMT bj said...
> Andy -- was it you having trouble with the crutches? > You're supposed to put most of the weight on your hands, not your armpits! > bj bj,
Yep. That's me. Old "ain't got no rhythm" Andy.
I think part of the problem is my lack of arm strength of late.
Best,
Andy
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:) bj - 15 Mar 2008 17:45 GMT > Cheri said... > >> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let >> you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. When I had surgeries (3 different hospitals, one of them where I stayed overnight), I got wheeled out.
When I had a procedure under sedation, I got walk-escorted out (I think they also want to be *sure* I'm not sneaking off driving or even taking a taxy by myself!).
When I was discharged after isolation for radioactive iodine treatment, I not only walked out I couldn't even find anyone to wave goodbye to -- nobody wanted to come anywhere near me! bj
Cheri - 15 Mar 2008 18:09 GMT >> Cheri said... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >nobody wanted to come anywhere near me! >bj I don't have all that much experience with them, but even in short stay surgery when DH had a colonoscopy a couple of years ago, and a few times when picking up friends from different procedures, they wouldn't let them walk out, but I guess different hospitals have different policies.
Cheri
MI - 15 Mar 2008 23:40 GMT On 3/15/08 11:08 AM, in article dPGdneb4X94Zn0HanZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@softcom.net, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>> Cheri said... >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Cheri It used to be that they wanted to see you safely off the premises so you couldn't fall and sue them. They didn't care what happened AFTER you got off hospital property.
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Trinkwasser - 17 Mar 2008 22:29 GMT >>> Cheri said... >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >wouldn't let them walk out, but I guess different hospitals have >different policies. Once they kept mother in for about six hours after they'd promised to let her go because they were "too busy" to wheel her to the door.
And no, they wouldn't let me do it for them.
Another hopsital I had to wheel her in and out myself, and the wheelchair was absolute crap, ever seen a Model T wheelchair?
MI - 15 Mar 2008 23:35 GMT On 3/15/08 9:45 AM, in article 33TCj.174$bN3.61@trnddc03, "bj"
>> Cheri said... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > nobody wanted to come anywhere near me! > bj Why would you want anybody to escort you after a radioactive iodine treatment? You're not incapacitated like you are after surgery or having your bones set. They give you aenesthetics for that so you are groggy.
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bj - 16 Mar 2008 03:04 GMT >> When I was discharged after isolation for radioactive iodine treatment, I >> not only walked out I couldn't even find anyone to wave goodbye to -- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > treatment? You're not incapacitated like you are after surgery or having > your bones set. They give you aenesthetics for that so you are groggy. I don't think you caught the humor of the situation -- about why they all stayed so out-of-sight.
I'd been told that I wouldn't be allowed to take any belongings out with me except for what had been in the closet -- but reality was that I could have almost wheeled out the furniture for all the attention they paid to me (as my mother helped me carry out my tote bags of amusements, snacks, & so on).
:-) And, BTW, when you're as hypothyroid as you are for RAI, you *are* a bit groggy, brain-fogged, & incompetent. Unless you're one of the very lucky ones who doesn't hardly notice the extreme lack of thyroid hormone. bj
MI - 16 Mar 2008 03:18 GMT On 3/15/08 7:04 PM, in article qe%Cj.233$bN3.203@trnddc03, "bj"
>>> When I was discharged after isolation for radioactive iodine treatment, I >>> not only walked out I couldn't even find anyone to wave goodbye to -- [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ones who doesn't hardly notice the extreme lack of thyroid hormone. > bj I'm one of the lucky ones. I got very tired before medication but I certainly wasn't groggy, brain-fogged or incompetent. I would never admit, ever, to being incompetent. (g)
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Julie Bove - 15 Mar 2008 04:19 GMT > Andy wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain. > :-) The only time I've been required to ride in one is after I had the baby. I remember going to the ER because I couldn't walk and they did nothing for me but tell me I had diabetes, needed to lose 10 pounds and see my Dr. Sent me on my merry way, banging into walls and falling over, just like I was when I came in there.
Andy - 15 Mar 2008 04:29 GMT Julie Bove said...
>> Andy wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Dr. Sent me on my merry way, banging into walls and falling over, just > like I was when I came in there. And I thought MY experience was skewed!
Best,
Andy
MI - 15 Mar 2008 04:28 GMT On 3/14/08 8:39 PM, in article l7mdnUL3qv1Tq0banZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@softcom.net,
> Andy wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Cheri Firstly, condolences Andy. Do you know anyone who can teach you how to use them. It's easier with 2 crutches than one.
Secondly, I understand the no wheelchair. Last Monday, I had to bring my husband home after surgery. They sent me down to the main floor where they have wheelchairs chained together like the supermarkets. I put a $1.00 coin in the slot and it released it. When I got my husband downstairs and I out, just like the Safeway, I put the wheelchair back and got my dollar back. How things have changed! Remember the days when they insisted that a nurse wheel you to the edge of the property. They told me that before the chain method they were losing all the $1200 wheelchairs and it got too expensive.
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Andy - 15 Mar 2008 04:38 GMT MI said...
> Firstly, condolences Andy. Do you know anyone who can teach you how to > use them. It's easier with 2 crutches than one. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > told me that before the chain method they were losing all the $1200 > wheelchairs and it got too expensive. Martha,
I wish we all didn't have the same gripe!!!
Best,
Andy
Julie Bove - 15 Mar 2008 07:01 GMT > MI said... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I wish we all didn't have the same gripe!!! At my MIL's nursing home,all of the wheelchairs have these huge poles on them so they can't be put in the trunk of the car. There is a little park outside and the poles just fit under the door. But you can't really take them anywhere else unless you are walking with them.
Tiger_Lily - 15 Mar 2008 04:09 GMT > Quentin Grady said... > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Andy the crutches aren't supposed to be up to your armpits, or you will be really sore
you support the weight of your body with your arms, onto the handle of the crutches
ya, it's tricky to get used to :(
kate
Quentin Grady - 15 Mar 2008 07:49 GMT >>>Speedy healing Andy. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Andy G'day G'day Andy,
It can be like that. When one gets past the inevitable waiting at A and E into a ward one often gets incredible attention from the nursing staff. Perhaps its just human nature but it is common for the attention to vaporize as their minds move on to the next client. Even if they don't physically disappear their minds do. It doesn't surprise me that you didn't get a wheelchair ride outside on the way out though you probably may well have gotten brought in on stretcher.
FWIIW it pays to prepare for one's exit with chocolate biscuits. Stop laughing. That's what you have visitors for. When they ask you if there is something you like you say, "Chocolate biscuits." They aren't for you but to display on your locker to maintain nursing interest as your time in hospital moves on. <grin>
My nurses loved the grapes a friend brought in.
Best wishes,
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Nicky - 15 Mar 2008 18:01 GMT >I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are >killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic place >24/7 no doubt. Triage :P If you made it out the door unassisted, you'll be OK; if you fell and broke the other foot, at least you're in the right place...
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BettyB - 16 Mar 2008 00:20 GMT >>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are >>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency >>before I left, rather just sized them to me. When I had both knees replaced a few years ago I had to be on crutches for several weeks. Before the surgery I found a place which would rent forearm crutches instead of underarm crutches. They were much easier for me to use and couldn't hurt my armpits. They are hard to find in the States.
Hope you are healing quickly. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
Andy - 19 Mar 2008 06:57 GMT BettyB said...
>>>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are >>>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for me to use and couldn't hurt my armpits. They are hard to find in > the States. OUCH!!!
I've seen them, the kind with the wrist grips.
I cut off my cast today. I couldn't stand it. I'm heavy on the ibuprophen for the meantime. I have it back on with an ace-bandage.
> Hope you are healing quickly. > -- > BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com > "I have noticed even people who claim everything is > predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, > look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking Great quote! Thanks!
Best,
Andy
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:) Màck©® - 19 Mar 2008 22:17 GMT >BettyB said... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I cut off my cast today. I couldn't stand it. I'm heavy on the ibuprophen >for the meantime. I have it back on with an ace-bandage. Does your doctor know about that?
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Andy - 20 Mar 2008 17:44 GMT Màck©® said...
>>I cut off my cast today. I couldn't stand it. I'm heavy on the ibuprophen >>for the meantime. I have it back on with an ace-bandage. > > Does your doctor know about that? Of course not!!!
It fits back on snug with the ace bandage plus that velcro fastened metal leg splint keeps my whole leg totally rigid. The fracture was in my calf, so it's just a half-cast to a little below the kneecap.
Now I'm able to scratch that itch and have a "normal" sit down shower!
Best,
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:) RodS - 14 Mar 2008 04:13 GMT > Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg > on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under > his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!"> > > Andy But did ya try flapping yer arms on the way down? Please repeat and let us know :-) Maybe you need longer arms.
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> -- > 6'3, 197lbs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg) > "Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown Nicky - 14 Mar 2008 08:11 GMT >Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg >on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under >his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!"> Oh, no! Sympathy!
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Michelle C. - 14 Mar 2008 19:29 GMT > said... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg) > "Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown Sorry about the fractured leg, Andy. Yikes! Be kind to yourself while you heal.
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Trinkwasser - 15 Mar 2008 16:36 GMT > said... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under >his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!"> What have you learned from this? Do NOT step back to see how well you are doing.
Any idea what causes the gout?
I ask because mother just had a horrendous attack.
Only time she'd had it before, it was due to a diuretic - this was proved when they put her back on it and she got gout again <sigh>
This time none of her meds were changed and we can't think of anything particular which might have set it off, except possibly a plate of whitebait, or rhubarb, both of which she'd been eating previously with no problems.
Robert Miles - 15 Mar 2008 17:06 GMT >> said... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > whitebait, or rhubarb, both of which she'd been eating previously with > no problems. Rhubarb contains oxalate, which when combined with calcium (perhaps from fish bones) often produces kidney stones. Drinking more water could help wash out the oxalate and calcium before they combine, though, at the cost of more trips to the bathroom.
Andy - 15 Mar 2008 18:16 GMT Trinkwasser said...
> Any idea what causes the gout? Trinkwasser,
Gout: The worst form of arthritis known to mankind.
It's excess uric acid in the blood (from foods high in purine, mostly found in protein rich foods) that builds up and crystallizes between the joints, predominantly (but not limited to) in the feet. The causes vary. Some say it's heredity, my Pop had it and so do I. It can be weight related or diet related. For me it was all three. :(
I got gout at the peak of my obese weight at 247 lbs., after eating buffalo for a year almost three meals a day. Doc suggested I should shed some pounds. I had to cut out a lot of my favorite foods, excluding foods high on the purine "Do Not Eat" food list. It's dormant since I reduced and I can eat red meat once in awhile but I can tell it's just under the surface.
Your Mom really should re-evaluate her diet, imho.
An average link with the purine "Do Not Eat" list:
http://www.drugs.com/cg/low-purine-diet.html
The list CAN be misleading, since one person can tolerate a high purine food while another cannot. It was a good three months of trial and error and attacks before I got a handle on the "trigger" foods to avoid.
> I ask because mother just had a horrendous attack. A major attack is crippling. Brought me to my knees! Like a board of needles scrubbing back and forth over my almost 3rd degree sunburned feet. I don't wish gout even on the enemy. It is torture!!!
> Only time she'd had it before, it was due to a diuretic - this was > proved when they put her back on it and she got gout again <sigh> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whitebait, or rhubarb, both of which she'd been eating previously with > no problems. It's suggested that drinking LOTS of water will help dilute the uric acid in the blood. I don't drink much else.
HTH.
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Andy
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:) Trinkwasser - 17 Mar 2008 22:52 GMT >Trinkwasser said... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gout: The worst form of arthritis known to mankind. Isn't it just? Especially when it doesn't present "normally"?
First she had a pain in a finger, which had a papercut in the end of it so we thought that was the problem and I gave her my tub of Lotil (another good thing about getting my BG in line, the dry skin and cracked knuckles are much better than they were and my ointment consumption is a fraction of what it used to was).
Then her knee started to swell up, the GP reckoned it was some form of arthritis and may have been infected so gave her some ibuprufen ointment and a course of antibiotics.
Suddenly and with alarming speed the finger turned into a warty banana, the knee swelled up and the ankle blew up to alarming proportions, with absolutely excruciating pains. In between calling the GP out and his arriving a couple of hours later her ankle had doubled in size: this time there was no doubt as to the diagnosis!
They gave her Indomethacin, which caused her kidneys to shut down. So they substituted ointment for the pills, and I think another course of steroids and antibiotics, which got her pretty much working again and the joints went down nearly as quick as they came up. But it took a couple of weeks before the pain subsided, presumably as the crystals dissolved out of the joints.
>It's excess uric acid in the blood (from foods high in purine, mostly found >in protein rich foods) that builds up and crystallizes between the joints, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >food while another cannot. It was a good three months of trial and error >and attacks before I got a handle on the "trigger" foods to avoid. Yes that's what the problem was, we've both been eating a similar high-bioflavinoid-and-useful-stuff diet thanks to Quentin, only she eats more carbs than me. AFAIK she didn't eat anything particularly out of the ordinary, it's possible the effect of the rhubarb added to our high-calcium water *plus* the whitebait *plus* some other factor like an infection interracted whereas all the individual items in her diet didn't cause any harm previously.
Last winter there was a rather nasty infection, it started as a mild virus, the kind that makes you feel like you're going to get a cold soon, then you feel like you've just had a cold without actually getting one - *then* a bacterial passenger moved in (streptococcus) and caused havoc with a number of people's kidneys, mine included: it's possible she got another round of something like that and the lack of kidney function tipped the balance (she takes Lasix and drinks a rehydrating drink containing glucose and sodium bicarbonate as well as her usual tea and coffee so the fact she stopped peeing altogether for a day or two may have been relevant).
>> I ask because mother just had a horrendous attack. > >A major attack is crippling. Brought me to my knees! Like a board of >needles scrubbing back and forth over my almost 3rd degree sunburned feet. >I don't wish gout even on the enemy. It is torture!!! Trouble is she hates being bedridden but couldn't bear to put her socks on let alone shoes. Or have her left hand touch anything.
Eh well it's gone away for now
<crosses fingers.>
A friend went on a walking holiday last year: she managed to slip on the stairs in the hotel on the first day and break her toe.
They wouldn't set it, and of course it didn't heal properly. Then they said "of course" it should have been set and plastered originally so no wonder it hadn't healed <sigh>
Finally (this is nearly a year later) it was much better but still not right, and she stubbed her toe on something. There was a loud crack and she thought "here we go again!" but actually since then it's been completely better, she thinks perhaps the bone set but they missed out on the dislocation and the stub reset the joint . . .
. . . I suggested this year she should stay in a bungalow . . .
. . . hope you get better service than that.
Jack In A Box - 18 Mar 2008 09:44 GMT Hi there Trinkwasser,
Sorry to hear about your mother, never had gout myself but heard that it can be incredibly painful.
The condition occurs when levels of uric acid builds up to such high levels that crystals form in the joints.
Uric acid is not all bad, since it is an antioxidant. The problem is that the human body lacks enzymes to break it down like many other animals can do. One theory is that we used to have parasites so never needed to develop this facility.
This suggests that blood letting (or donating) would allivate the condition...
Jack
Trinkwasser - 19 Mar 2008 22:46 GMT >Hi there Trinkwasser, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >This suggests that blood letting (or donating) would allivate the >condition... She does that every so often, due to the use of steroids in the past her skin is so thin on her legs and elsewhere that the merest scratch from a thorn can set off a torrent.
The gout's better again now, we;ve moved on to other things <sigh> getting old is seriously Not Fun. Like children they can get sick incredibly quickly, but unlike children they are soooo slow getting well again.
There've been not a few other gout sufferers here over the years, and in retrospect I think I may have had it once many many years ago, but fortuitously it never returned. It only hit my thumb, but the crystal buildup along with the excruciating pain would have been diagnostic (my Clueless GP said it was a skin infection and nothing to do with the joint)
George - 20 Mar 2008 00:13 GMT I get gout fairly reliably 4 days before it rains. I can eat gout-friendly food and take pills - 4 days before it rains I'll be gouted out. I can drink red wine and eat oysters, no gout until 4 days before it rains. It is partly psycosomatic: If I am going to the coast (where it rains alot), I'll get gout before I go. The normal one is red, real, and painful - and a fairly accurate predictor of the weather. I get it right more often than the weather forcasters. Diet makes no difference to me.
>Hi there Trinkwasser, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jack Trinkwasser - 20 Mar 2008 22:07 GMT >I get gout fairly reliably 4 days before it rains. I can eat gout-friendly food and take pills - 4 >days before it rains I'll be gouted out. I can drink red wine and eat oysters, no gout until 4 days >before it rains. It is partly psycosomatic: If I am going to the coast (where it rains alot), I'll >get gout before I go. The normal one is red, real, and painful - and a fairly accurate predictor of >the weather. I get it right more often than the weather forcasters. Diet makes no difference to me. Have you considered a job as a barometer?
Seriously I've heard of these sort of anomalous responses with gout before but never anything quite so predictable. It seems not uncommon with other forms of arthritis though, I wonder just what the factor is, air pressure? humidity? Many animals and plants have quite sophisticated sensory systems that react to things like rate of change of temperature or daylength, prseumably some chemical reaction whose rate is dependent on temperature or some other factor speeds up and creates higher levels of uric acid in your blood. Or maybe some other inflammatory chemical. Just off the top of my head have you tried drinking more water when you hear that rain's on the way, try to dilute the stuff before the symptoms set in?
George - 25 Mar 2008 03:50 GMT >Seriously I've heard of these sort of anomalous responses with gout >before but never anything quite so predictable. It seems not uncommon [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >drinking more water when you hear that rain's on the way, try to >dilute the stuff before the symptoms set in? I spent several visits to a dietician (referred by Doctor). Even tried prescription meds (pro-gout etc). Very limited success. The only thing that has worked is to live in the desert. I am thinking that it is to do with air pressure and humidity somehow but who knows? Hopefully someone will work it out one day.
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Andy - 25 Mar 2008 07:22 GMT George said...
> I spent several visits to a dietician (referred by Doctor). Even tried > prescription meds (pro-gout etc). Very limited success. The only thing > that has worked is to live in the desert. I am thinking that it is to do > with air pressure and humidity somehow but who knows? Hopefully someone > will work it out one day. Desert, yep!!!
My aunt had the worst full-body arthritis for a good portion of her life. She and family lived in New Jersey, owning and operating a few dry cleaning laundromats.
When they retired they moved to Sun City, Arizona (a planned retirement community) for their remaining years in warm (HOT!) weather.
The air was so hot and dry it dried up the moisture from her joints and after two weeks, she was playing tennis, arthritis free the rest of her life. To us, it was a miracle!
I visited them once. Way too hot! I laughed at all the green pebble'd front lawns but it made sense not to grow lawns in the desert.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer aunt, how she suffered!!!
Best,
Andy
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:) Trinkwasser - 25 Mar 2008 21:26 GMT >George said... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Couldn't have happened to a nicer aunt, how she suffered!!! That's interesting but we don't have any deserts here and we're already living in one of the drier regions. Maybe I'll sneak in when she's not looking and turn up the heating.
She does pretty well on glucosamine and chondroitin for the osteoarthritis, and the gout isn't regular enough to be worth trying pre-emptive meds, one she had ( can't remember which now) gave her all manner of side effects.
It's one of those mystery type illnesses, always worth hearing about everything that helps someone in hopes that it might help someone else, but seldom helps everyone else.
Quentin Grady - 26 Mar 2008 06:08 GMT >George said... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Andy G'day G'day Andy,
People often find the desert a good place to go when they suffer from plant pollen. No plants. No pollen. No allergies.
Some large buildings with ventilation systems are known as sick buildings thanks to the micro-fungal spore that enjoy the conditions in the air ducts. Maybe that was the problem in New Jersey. Of course this is total speculation. Anyone's guess is about as good as another and we probably shall never know.
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Jack In A Box - 31 Mar 2008 14:23 GMT > I spent several visits to a dietician (referred by Doctor). Even tried > prescription meds (pro-gout [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hopefully someone will work > it out one day. Hi,
Don't suffer from gout myself, but would repeat my reccomendation for donating blood. It seems logical that if you give 10% of your blood, the concentration of uric acid in your blood will be somewhere between 0 and 10% lower once your body has regenerated the blood.
So if you donate blood 3 or 4 times in a year, you should see a substantial decrease of uric acid in your blood.
Jack
Julie Bove - 13 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT >>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus. > I will not be around to find out. What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss section in there. Low carb!
> Hell, do anythng you find that helps > > I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your > health. Relax and enjoy your life. Who is doing that? You? Kind of seems that way.
> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us > does the best we can. > > In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot. Okay...
Trinkwasser - 13 Mar 2008 23:37 GMT >>>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the >>>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss section in >there. Low carb! Mother can remember eating less carbs to lose weight going right back to the twenties. And I can remember it still being recommended up to the seventies or so, before the low fat fad replaced it. So it has been around for quite a long time , , ,
Julie Bove - 13 Mar 2008 23:44 GMT >>>>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the >>>>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the seventies or so, before the low fat fad replaced it. So it has > been around for quite a long time , , , Yep.
Andy - 13 Mar 2008 23:47 GMT Julie Bove said...
> What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have > cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss > section in there. Low carb! Julie,
I have a boxed two volume set of Gourmet Magazine recipes (about 14,000) from 1957-1959, Mom learned to gourmet cook from, THEN Pop started having heart attacks.
They didn't play the saturated, trans, poly-un or mono-un-sat fat game back then and cholesterol wasn't discovered yet, I don't think. They didn't have nutrient labels at that time either.
It was a more "grow out" than "grow up" two volume set.
I've cooked from it for years, VERY occasionally.
Andy
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:) Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Mar 2008 18:14 GMT > > This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are > more dangerous than helpful to them. Actually, no diet has been shown to make either animals or people healthier thereby extending their lifespan.
Only eating less, down to the optimal amount, has been shown to help animals become healthier thereby even doubling their lifespan.
Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren
Ozgirl - 13 Mar 2008 21:14 GMT >> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are more > dangerous than helpful to them. And no one is making any money out of me eating lower carb. I get to preserve my limbs, eyes & kidneys, keep good cardiovascular health all by just reducing my carbs to a point where I don't have out of range bg's. I buy no books, I don't recommend commercial diets to other people, in short my good bg control and health is down to making a few small changes in my diet and exercise levels. But that seems to be a very bad thing in some people's eyes.
guys@consolidated.net - 14 Mar 2008 01:48 GMT >>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion. >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >diet and exercise levels. But that seems to be a very bad thing in some >people's eyes. I cannot understand why some people arre so paranoid when any post has anything that does not endorse lo catb as a miracle. If it works, use it. Others may find that they are not the same as you.
I cannot ignore history and scientific principles. We do the best we can with what we have. So many changes in my 30 years at this game.
AND we still do not have many answers. I am sure that some thngs I do, will prove to be wrong in the future. I do the best I can with what I have. I post sayuig we do ot now all and so many plausible book are actualy non factual. They make someone rich.
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Priscilla Ballou - 17 Mar 2008 18:59 GMT > I cannot understand why some people arre so paranoid when any > post has anything that does not endorse lo catb as a miracle. "Gosh! I referenced a low carb conspiracy in my subject and I simply cannot understand why people are sounding defensive! They must be paranoid!"
Right.
Priscilla
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