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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008ALA and a 'scary' story
Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few days my numbers have been amazing : 93 in the morning vs 110 to 120, 1 hour post meals coming in at 90ish after a large lentil portin....good numbers. So good I questioned the new test strips. So I went out, bought a new meter and another box of strips (they give you the monitor). The one I just bought matches the ones I opened a few days ago, so my numbers are valid. I suspect the ALA is making the difference. Big time. I have changed many things recently and am not 100% sure what the big difference is, but I am hopeful ALA is it. Any further experiences would be appreciated. I will continue to monitor. I asked the pharmacist about ALA...He knew little about it....Now for the scary part. He started talking about how now and then he tests himself and gets numbers in the 230 range...bla bla bla...He had no clue these numbers were high. I told him he should try early morning when fasting and if he was near 120 to look into it. He responded that he had and was well over 120. A PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent pharmacist ;-) Simply shows that type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is an acquired problem when even unsuspecting medical professionals such as pharmacists have it. It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to lose the black fat (VAT) that is causing the T2DM: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be > that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent > pharmacist ;-) > Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be > that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent > pharmacist ;-) Pinkeye posted the following and I read it immediately after your post. Weird occurance or what! http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/03/12/paying-pharmacists-to-keep-diabetics-on-track/ Diabetes care is a poster child for much of what’s wrong with our health-care system, which is good at handling acute crises but bad at preventing them. Pharmacists are angling to step into the breach and improve preventive care for diabetics. Frank > Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to > be that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 120. A PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more > competent pharmacist ;-) Hmmm... ALA has not done that for me. This past week I even added the new R Lipoeic Acid as well and I see no difference in my numbers. >> Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to >> be that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Hmmm... ALA has not done that for me. This past week I even added the new >R Lipoeic Acid as well and I see no difference in my numbers. Yes like cinnamon and other things it only seems to work for some people, presumably depending which part of the insulin/glucose control system is broken. > So good I questioned the new test strips. So I went out, bought a new meter > and another box of strips (they give you the monitor). The one I just bought > matches the ones I opened a few days ago, so my numbers are valid. I suspect > the ALA is making the difference. Big time. I have changed many things > recently and am not 100% sure what the big difference is, but I am hopeful > ALA is it. ALA is an insulin mimetic. It mimics the action of insulin but has one wonderful benefit--no fat storage. If you want to boost ALA's benefit, add evening primrose oil to it. If you take Dr. Bernstein's recommended dosage for neuropathy pain, 600 mg ALA, plus 1000 mg EPO and repeat every 8 hours, and you inject insulin, you'll likely need to reduce your insulin dosage by 30% according to Bernstein. I experienced this very thing--along with weight loss thrown into the bargain. I didn't believe in supplements until my recent experience with ALA, EPO and now Benfotiamine. Google that last one. It has lots of clinically established benefits for diabetics. >ALA is an insulin mimetic. It mimics the action of insulin but has one >wonderful benefit--no fat storage. G'day G'day Uncle Enrico, I hadn't thought of that last aspect. Sure it lowers blood glucose. It's not till one considers it being a insulin mimetic that the fat storage aspect is something to be considered. This IMHO is one of the great strengths of ASD. We consider different aspects of the diabetic adventure, rather like those seven blind-folded wise men each contacting different parts of an elephant for the first time and describing it to the others. (Presumably works with seven wise women though I've never heard the parable told that way.) >If you want to boost ALA's benefit, add evening primrose oil to it. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and now Benfotiamine. Google that last one. It has lots of clinically >established benefits for diabetics. Thanks for sharing your experiences as well as passing on Dr Bernstein's recommendations with actual dosages. Does he state whether this is using the short acting ALA rather than a slow release version? Best wishes and thank you,  SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be >that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few >days my numbers have been amazing : 93 in the morning vs 110 to 120, 1 hour >post meals coming in at 90ish after a large lentil portin....good numbers. G'day G'day ItoTito, Some lentils have a low GI so by themselves they'd lead to low post meal figures. Lentils and beans are good sources of resistant starch better than potatoes and grains. >So good I questioned the new test strips. So I went out, bought a new meter >and another box of strips (they give you the monitor). The one I just bought >matches the ones I opened a few days ago, so my numbers are valid. I suspect >the ALA is making the difference. Big time. I have changed many things >recently and am not 100% sure what the big difference is, but I am hopeful >ALA is it. Valid point. There is only one of us and when we make MANY changes such as increasing exercise, reducing bread or polished rice then any or all of these could also be contributing to the lower readings. That said one would expect alpha lipoic acid, ALA to reduce blood glucose readings. It is commonly stated on the net that in some countries eg Germany it is prescribed for this purpose. >Any further experiences would be appreciated. I will continue to monitor. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent >pharmacist ;-) It does come as a surprise that people are surprisingly ignorant outside their immediate field of interest. Also some people haven't updated. This might be the case with the pharmacist. It may be a case where it makes sense to go to a pharmacist where they work as a group. I met a bloke recently who invited me in to join them for afternoon tea. He was going blind with age related macula degeneration. He assured me his blood glucose was tightly controlled so he didn't bother to measure except one day every two weeks. Then it was 9 (160) to 13 (230) and his doctor was very pleased so told him not to bother testing more. While he was intelligent he found it hard to accept that he needed lower figures to help keep the macula degeneration under control. Sadly, macula degeneration is a powerful indicator of strokes and coronary heart disease. Those with macula degeneration are five to ten times more likely to have these conditions thanks to them sharing similar risk factors. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be >that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >recently and am not 100% sure what the big difference is, but I am hopeful >ALA is it. Hahahahaha yes I did exactly the same, was convinced I had a duff batch of strips so tried a different drum. Then when I ran out of the ALA I dropped it for a month to make sure the change was a real effect. After a couple more on-off trials I am convinced. Interesting that it's working for you when metformin didn't, I was given to understand they had somewhat similar effects on the IR. >Any further experiences would be appreciated. I will continue to monitor. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent >pharmacist ;-) Indeed. When we moved we bought this house off a pharmacist, when I was bemoaning how I felt, drinking masses of water and pissing like a drain she suggested I might be diabetic and suggested I buy a meter. By the time I got a new GP sorted out I had some numbers to show her and had also started reading here. The rest is history. Most of them here like the doctors and nurses appear to be pretty competent and well informed, you got one of the other type. :( Maybe you could educate *him* . . . > Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be > that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > PHARMACIST !!!! Yikes....Guess who's going to find a slightly more competent > pharmacist ;-) Great about the improved numbers! Are you taking time-released ALA? Hopefully, you've spurred the pharmacist to check into his condition. Ahem. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise On Mar 12, 1:06 pm, "ItoTito" <itot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to > be [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > competent > pharmacist ;-) Great about the improved numbers! Are you taking time-released ALA? Hopefully, you've spurred the pharmacist to check into his condition. Ahem. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise Well the much improved numbers were not there this morning so we will see. It is very strange, one week numbers in 93-100 range, next week numbers in the 115-124 range. (fasting). I am trying to note everything to try and establish a pattern. I tried ACV tablets, huge improvement for 1 week (93ish). Then 1 week back to 115 range. I tried ALA, huge improvement (93ish), then back to 115 range (today). People have said they have good and bad weeks, mine seem to be too well timed. There has to be 'something' that is triggering this. But my problem is only in the mornings. Nights are consistently good. I am not using the time release version. I take 200mg morning and night with the primerose oil stuff. There are so many variables. For example, we changed our clocks last Saturday, so I am waking up 1 hour 'earlier'. Maybe that helped my numbers and now my system is catching up...who knows...but I will find it...I am a stubborn person. I told the pharmacist he should check his fasting level and if it was near 120 seek medical advice. As well I pulled out a brochure he had there and showed him the 1 hour, 2 hour post meal numbers quoted. > On Mar 12, 1:06 pm, "ItoTito" <itot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the info. I hope you figure out the difference in your FBG. Very puzzling. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise >There are so many variables. For example, we changed our clocks last >Saturday, so I am waking up 1 hour 'earlier'. Maybe that helped my numbers >and now my system is catching up...who knows... If you have DP, then it will show better numbers an hour earlier. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >Following Trinkwasser recommendation I started taking ALA. It happened to be >that 2 days later I also needed to open a new set of strips. In the last few [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Any further experiences would be appreciated. I will continue to monitor. Forgot to add, watch out for lows, you may find your liver no longer dumps as often or as effectively as it did. I dug this up http://qualitycounts.com/fplipoic.html but haven't read it yet given time I'll dig up and repost some of the other articles from my archive |
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