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Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into the drinking water.......................So how long have they been feeding us sewerage? Glad I have a well.  SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into > the drinking water.......................So how long have they been > feeding us sewerage? Glad I have a well. Just another scaring tactics, I think, to force people buying bottled water. JS : Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: : > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into : > the drinking water.......................So how long have they been : > feeding us sewerage? Glad I have a well. : Just another scaring tactics, I think, to force people buying bottled water. : JS In the report on TV tht I heard, they said that botled wter was no better as most comes form tap water and nobody tests for this in the ordinary coure of events. Also the current filters don't help. Most places are not required to test for this and don't, both municiple systems adn bottling plants. Wendy >> Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: >>> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wendy True Wendy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rural, bottled water also unchecked Rural consumers who draw water from their own wells aren't in the clear either, experts say. Even users of bottled water and home filtration systems don't necessarily avoid exposure. Bottlers, some of which simply repackage tap water, do not typically treat or test for pharmaceuticals, according to the industry's main trade group. The same goes for the makers of home filtration systems. Contamination is not confined to the United States. More than 100 different pharmaceuticals have been detected in lakes, rivers, reservoirs and streams throughout the world. Studies have detected pharmaceuticals in waters throughout Asia, Australia, Canada and Europe -- even in Swiss lakes and the North Sea. In the United States, the problem isn't confined to surface waters. Pharmaceuticals also permeate aquifers deep underground, the source of 40 percent of the nation's water supply. Federal scientists who drew water in 24 states from aquifers near contaminant sources such as landfills and animal feed lots found minuscule levels of hormones, antibiotics and other drugs. http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/10/pharma.water1.ap/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anybody remember back in 1993, Milwaukee, Wisconsin suffered the largest outbreak of Cryptosporidium in history. Over 400,000 people became ill and about 100 died? SignatureBill DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007) A1c 04/2007 10.5 A1c 06/2007 7.4 A1c 08/2007 6.8 A1c 02/2008 6.3 <...> > Anybody remember back in 1993, Milwaukee, Wisconsin suffered the largest > outbreak of Cryptosporidium in history. Over 400,000 people became ill > and about 100 died? Yeah, but Cryptosporidium is not killed by chlorine and is removed by filtering, which was inadequate in this case. Jeff > <...> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jeff It also doesn't help that both Chicago and Milwaukee has released raw sewage into Lake Michigan before. The same place they get their drinking water from. :-( SignatureBill DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007) A1c 04/2007 10.5 A1c 06/2007 7.4 A1c 08/2007 6.8 A1c 02/2008 6.3 : <...> : > Anybody remember back in 1993, Milwaukee, Wisconsin suffered the largest : > outbreak of Cryptosporidium in history. Over 400,000 people became ill : > and about 100 died? : Yeah, but Cryptosporidium is not killed by chlorine and is removed by : filtering, which was inadequate in this case. : Jeff I remember that and it is the reason that water systems are being required to filter if they use surface wter like reservoirs, etc. NYC goes through a big song and dance to be relieved from having to build a $6,000,000,000 filtration system for its enormous Catskill water system of 3 huge and quite a few smaller reservoirs in the mountainous area NW of the City. There are limitations beign put on septic systems adn land use in that rea which has engendered some hostility. My summer home and Evelyn Raut's home are in that area. NYC just got a 10 year moritorium on having to build the plant and wil have to appeal again at the end of that time. Wendy > : <...> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wendy But, filtration won't get rid of drugs in the water. Only bigger things like bacteria. jeff : > : <...> : > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] : > : > Wendy : But, filtration won't get rid of drugs in the water. Only bigger things : like bacteria. : jeff that is true, but not what I was addressing, which was how the problems with cryptosporidium led to the demaand for greater filtration. As far as I know, there is no testing for drugs in water, including bottled water, and no practical method of removng it. currently, preventin would be the best first step while develoing other methods and starting testing to find out how severe th problem is. pPrevention wul mean an advertising campaign to increase awreness and soem way to collect used meds like having Pahrrmacies collect them for safe disposal, rather than lettign them go into the landfills. Wendy > : > : <...> > : > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Wendy Pharmacies will take unused drugs and get them destroyed. There is a method of collecting used drugs. It is the same method we use to collect used food and water: the toilet. The only other prevention is better diet and exercise, which will result in less use of drugs, which will result in people flushing less down the toilet and not using unneeded drugs, like antibiotics and not using unneeded drugs in farm animals. Jeff > that is true, but not what I was addressing, which was how the problems > with cryptosporidium led to the demaand for greater filtration. As far as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > having Pahrrmacies collect them for safe disposal, rather than lettign > them go into the landfills. I was out on a whale watch on Stellwagan Bank off Cape Cod one time, and I asked the naturalist about scattering the ashes of a cremated body off the boat -- purely theoretically. She said that they were starting to discourage it because oftentimes people have been on a lot of meds near the end, and those meds will end up in the ashes. They were concerned about the effects on the aquatic life, both whales and what they eat. So I've revised my wishes for after I die. If I've been on heavy duty meds, find somewhere nice and natural, doesn't matter much, just return my ashes to nature, but if I haven't been on a lot of meds, then Stellwagan Bank for me, where I can be "roll'd round in earth's diurnal course" not "with rocks and stones and trees" but with humpbacks and minkes and finbacks and get sucked in with the krill. Priscilla A "Lucy" poem by William Wordsworth A slumber did my spirit seal; I had no human fears: She seem'd a thing that could not feel The touch of earthly years. No motion has she now, no force; She neither hears nor sees; Roll'd round in earth's diurnal course, With rocks, and stones, and trees. >> : <...> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >jeff The processing of water for human use is a well developed science and the laws are in place. Anyone remember typhoid fever? In my life I noted every time we developed a "better" instrument, we saw many opportunist take it and create alarm and maybe a bit of profit. I remember when the Ohio River water was used by cities along it. It tasted very chlorine like. I think it was sterile and better than what had been previously used. Today, I live with a personal well. It is a deep well but here (Texas) the ground is fully of oily items and sulfur items. So we use a 10 micron filter, a water softener, a second filter and reverse osmosis for drinking water. My take on this the alarmists that like to yell to get attention are overstating the problems and they do lack the proper knowledge. As the population density increases water problems will be major. When I moved to my present site about 30 years ago, we were alone but now civilization is very close. The use of Septic tanks are questionable now. Hope they annex me and complete the sewer system. This issue of palatable and safe water us going to be an issue everywhere soon. The nuts will continue to create alarm over parts per billion. Your body is nothing but dangerous products. WE need to leave these issues to the REAL experts. They have good solutions if you are willing to pay. Pills are so minor. Like spitting in the ocean There is a pending problem and it bigger than a few pills. . ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >>> : <...> >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > The processing of water for human use is a well developed science and > the laws are in place. And the water with the trace amount of drugs conform to the laws. > Anyone remember typhoid fever? > > In my life I noted every time we developed a "better" > instrument, we saw many opportunist take it and > create alarm and maybe a bit of profit. How does this fit in with the discussion? > I remember when the Ohio River water was used by cities along it. > It tasted very chlorine like. I think it was sterile and better [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My take on this the alarmists that like to yell to get attention > are overstating the problems and they do lack the proper knowledge. Letting people know what is in their water is not necessarily alarmist. > As the population density increases water problems will be major. The major problem will be getting it. There is more water taken from the water table than going into it. Guess what? The water table is dropping. > When I moved to my present site about 30 years ago, we were alone > but now civilization is very close. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This issue of palatable and safe water us going to be an issue > everywhere soon. It always is an issue. And it is becoming a bigger issue. > The nuts will continue to create alarm over parts per billion. Your > body is nothing but dangerous products. WE need to leave these issues > to the REAL experts. They have good solutions if you are willing to > pay. It is the real experts who told us what is in the water. But, many drugs do work at parts per billion concentration. > Pills are so minor. Like spitting in the ocean More like pissing in the ocean. > There is a pending problem and it bigger than a few pills. Whatever. jeff > ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- W. Baker said... >: Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: >: > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wendy I just throw pills into the trash. The house uses a septic system so there are many things that can't be flushed or risk contaminating the good bacteria in the tank. I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. My water is from a reservoir that gets treated. Overtreated actually. How would drugs get into a reservoir? I've heard conspiracy theories in the movies. By time it goes through treatment it's safe!?! I did hear from an acquaintance who asked my cops how to destroy old ammo. They told her "we throw ours into the reservoir." Thanks guys! :( I only drink and cook with Deer Park bottled water in the strong clear jugs, the cheap-o frosted plastic jugs impart a lousy taste, imho. It tastes better than my tap water with less chlorine and perfect PH. Safer? I dunno. I've been drinking it for 20 years or more. No mood swings or new appendages. ;) Best, Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) > W. Baker said... > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Andy Some bottled water comes from the Mississippi. SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 : W. Baker said... : >: Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: : >: > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : > : > Wendy : I just throw pills into the trash. : The house uses a septic system so there are many things that can't be : flushed or risk contaminating the good bacteria in the tank. : I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back : into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. : My water is from a reservoir that gets treated. Overtreated actually. How : would drugs get into a reservoir? I've heard conspiracy theories in the : movies. By time it goes through treatment it's safe!?! I did hear from an : acquaintance who asked my cops how to destroy old ammo. They told her "we : throw ours into the reservoir." Thanks guys! :( : Best, : Andy It is easy fo rthe disolved pills to getinto the water supply. If hey go into a gabage dump or landfill the water leaches out into the ground water and nearby streams and finds its way into the reservoirs. the ground, itself, does some filtering, but not th whole job. Wendy W. Baker said... > It is easy fo rthe disolved pills to getinto the water supply. If hey go > into a gabage dump or landfill the water leaches out into the ground water > and nearby streams and finds its way into the reservoirs. the ground, > itself, does some filtering, but not th whole job. > > Wendy I understand that is certainly the case with PCBs and the high levels in farmed fish. I'd be more worried about PCBs than the Prozac in the water! The township does hold a toxic waste collection twice a year so we can safely dispose of paint, batteries, TVs and monitors, fluorescent bulbs, etc. Maybe I'll toss the meds in there. My prescription will never see the trash, just expired aspirin, sun screen, TUMs, vitamins, etc. How fast they decompose at a landfill? I don't know. Just hope there's no Deer Park bottled water plant nearby one. Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) >I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back >into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. Depends how well it's been treated, theoretically London water from the Thames has been drunk seven times before you get it - and I found it some of the best tasting water I've had. >My water is from a reservoir that gets treated. Overtreated actually. How >would drugs get into a reservoir? I've heard conspiracy theories in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Safer? I dunno. I've been drinking it for 20 years or more. No mood swings >or new appendages. ;) There are low levels of all kinds of crap in the groundwater, medications, pesticides, plasticisers which work like female hormones - and in many parts of the UK high levels of nitrogen in runoff from farmland, much of it from nitrogen fertiliser and manure application in the past. Also phosphates from washing up liquid. But then there are a lot of "natural" chemicals too, to some extent we've had to adapt to all kinds of stuff in the genetic past. Trinkwasser said... >>I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back >>into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > But then there are a lot of "natural" chemicals too, to some extent > we've had to adapt to all kinds of stuff in the genetic past. I remember growing up eating raw hamburger and it tasted great and there was no such thing as a food recall. And now look! :( Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) Andy wrote in message ... >I remember growing up eating raw hamburger and it tasted great and there >was no such thing as a food recall. And now look! :( My kids used to love it when they could get pieces of raw hamburger when I was making meat loaf too. Actually, they liked it better than the meat loaf when I think about it. :-) Cheri On 3/11/08 1:24 PM, in article Xns9A5EA6C4522BCcotd@216.196.97.136, "Andy" <q> wrote: > Trinkwasser said... > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Andy Yeah, you don't steak tartare on menus anymore. Hadn't thought about until you mentioned it. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > On 3/11/08 1:24 PM, in article Xns9A5EA6C4522BCcotd@216.196.97.136, "Andy" > <q> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Yeah, you don't steak tartare on menus anymore. Hadn't thought about until > you mentioned it. It might just be that a lot of the old fashioned dishes have disappeared in general. Although Steak Diane is still around here. > I remember growing up eating raw hamburger and it tasted great and there > was no such thing as a food recall. And now look! :( I've eaten a lot of raw supermarket steak with no problems, and I eat runny eggs all the time. You need to consume less... news. Priscilla >> I remember growing up eating raw hamburger and it tasted great and >> there was no such thing as a food recall. And now look! :( > > I've eaten a lot of raw supermarket steak with no problems, and I eat > runny eggs all the time. You need to consume less... news. Hi Priscilla! Eating anything raw was a big no-no I have been told all of my life (well except for vegetables). I am over 50 now. And I never liked the taste of meat unless it was well cooked for most of my life. Although I am starting to like less and less cooked and I would like to eat more of raw meat and eggs someday. :) SignatureBill DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007) A1c 04/2007 10.5 A1c 06/2007 7.4 A1c 08/2007 6.8 A1c 02/2008 6.3 > Trinkwasser said... > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Andy Yes, I remember loving raw hamburger. But that was back when only meat was in it. SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 > >I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back > >into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. > > Depends how well it's been treated, theoretically London water from > the Thames has been drunk seven times before you get it - and I found > it some of the best tasting water I've had. I think NYC water is the best I've ever tasted. I grew up on it. When I was 12 my family took a trip and spent a week or so in London. The water tasted different but good. I like the tap water where I live now (Boston), but in my office I drink from the bottled water dispenser because I've seen what color a quart of the tape water from our office kitchen shows up as. I blame the university plumbing. Priscilla >>> I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back >>> into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I was 12 my family took a trip and spent a week or so in London. The > water tasted different but good. NYC water also has little crustaceans (like microscopic lobsters). Orthodox Jews won't drink it unless it is filtered (it is against Jewish laws). I never was bothered by NYC tap water or tap water in Lansing, MI, or where I live in NJ near NYC. > I like the tap water where I live now (Boston), but in my office I drink > from the bottled water dispenser because I've seen what color a quart of > the tape water from our office kitchen shows up as. I blame the > university plumbing. > Priscilla > > I think NYC water is the best I've ever tasted. I grew up on it. When > > I was 12 my family took a trip and spent a week or so in London. The [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > laws). I never was bothered by NYC tap water or tap water in Lansing, > MI, or where I live in NJ near NYC. Fascinating! No alligators in the sewers but lobsters in the drinking water! LOL "We're New Yorkers. We *drink* our lobsters!" You've now added another item to my Jewish trivia archives. Priscilla >> >I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back >> >into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I was 12 my family took a trip and spent a week or so in London. The >water tasted different but good. Yes probably when they know how bad it is they work harder to filter it to a higher level of cleanliness. (Wasn't that Coca-Cola expensive water actually London tap water?) >I like the tap water where I live now (Boston), but in my office I drink >from the bottled water dispenser because I've seen what color a quart of >the tape water from our office kitchen shows up as. I blame the >university plumbing. We've had different waters in different places, it used to be filtered through a layer of chalk and collected from sandstone underneath where it picked up iron among other things, and when overchlorinated tasted and looked like disinfectant. Here it comes out of the chalk and is incredibly hard, kettles seldom last a year even when regularly deconcreted, but I hope the calcium level is healthy and saves on supplements. > Here it comes out of the chalk and is incredibly hard, kettles seldom > last a year even when regularly deconcreted, but I hope the calcium > level is healthy and saves on supplements. Isn't calcium good for the bones? I think I remember one particular milk that had extra calcium added to help the bones. Then they added 50% more sugar, i.e. carbs, to make it taste better. Nev. ---- >> Here it comes out of the chalk and is incredibly hard, kettles seldom >> last a year even when regularly deconcreted, but I hope the calcium [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > milk that had extra calcium added to help the bones. Then they > added 50% more sugar, i.e. carbs, to make it taste better. They didn't add the calcium to help bones. They added calcium to sell more milk. My answer to yo is: so what? Calcium is needed to keep bones strong. But you have to learn to separate the hype from the truth. Jeff > Nev. > > ---- >>> Here it comes out of the chalk and is incredibly hard, kettles seldom >>> last a year even when regularly deconcreted, but I hope the calcium [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >They didn't add the calcium to help bones. They added calcium to sell >more milk. My answer to yo is: so what? They probably added the sugar to sell more milk too, maybe sugar solution is cheaper. >Calcium is needed to keep bones strong. But you have to learn to >separate the hype from the truth. True, also it needs magnesium and I think vitamin D to aid the absorbtion, not sure of the magnesium level in the water but taking a magnesium supplement didn't appear to change anything so it's probably OK. Mother has a prescribed calcium supplement for osteoporosis but this may be wasted in this area. > Mother has a prescribed calcium supplement for osteoporosis but this > may be wasted in this area. My mother was told to take X amount of calcium supps -- but the doctor didn't ask her how much she got in dairy. I pointed this out to her -- what I do, & what I tell all my doctors about, is *first* figure out how much I'm getting that day in my food, *then* make up the rest in supps. Since it has to be spread out over the day, it's easy to do pretty much meal-to-meal -- if I have cheese for lunch, I take 1 pill; if I have pb for lunch, I take 2 pills; etc. right on up to bedtime as a last chance to fill out the needed amount (~1500mg/day). After all, if you drink a lot of milk (which my mother does) & eat cheese regularly (ditto), then you don't need as much supplementing as the doctor thinks -- they seem to think that adults don't eat/drink as much dairy as some of us actually do! (pre-dm, I drank nearly a quart of milk almost every day, plus often some cheese) and they're making their calcium-supp- prescriptions based on that. And it *is* possible to overdo it. bj >> Mother has a prescribed calcium supplement for osteoporosis but this >> may be wasted in this area. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >day, plus often some cheese) and they're making their calcium-supp- >prescriptions based on that. And it *is* possible to overdo it. True. I can't remember now if ths is simply a continuation of her previous prescription, from an area with soft water, or if they've changed it here, might be worth asking at her next prescription review. The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking around until breakfast to avoid ulcers, she takes that once a week AFAICR and the other supps on the days in between. Still hasn't stopped her shrinking though. : The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she : has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking : around until breakfast to avoid ulcers, she takes that once a week : AFAICR and the other supps on the days in between. : Still hasn't stopped her shrinking though. That is Fosamax or derivtive (Now available in generic). Dreadful nuisance. I take it sunday orning, get up exercise adn dress then take pill with huge amount of water(it must be taens fasting) and then DON"T LIE DOWN for an hour and wait that same hour until eating breakfast and takign other meds. I set up the coffee pot adn a few breakfast things then read my messages on the computer. It was difficult this past Sunday as I had to be at the clothing and food drive I was running by 9AM, so had to get a really early start and skip the stretch exercises I do on my back. Wendy >: The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she >: has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >to get a really early start and skip the stretch exercises I do on my >back. Ah yes that's the stuff, alendronic acid seems to be the generic she's prescribed. Must be a bugger if you get bad Dawn Phenomenon. : >: The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she : >: has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : >to get a really early start and skip the stretch exercises I do on my : >back. : Ah yes that's the stuff, alendronic acid seems to be the generic she's : prescribed. Must be a bugger if you get bad Dawn Phenomenon. Fortunately, I don't since I started taking 1 mg of genericAmaryl before bed. Wendy >: >: The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she >: >: has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Fortunately, I don't since I started taking 1 mg of genericAmaryl before >bed. Actually thinking about the use of vinegar to reduce BG, I'm wondering if other acids might have a similar effect, have you noticed any change in your BGs on the days you take the Fosamax? > Actually thinking about the use of vinegar to reduce BG, I'm wondering > if other acids might have a similar effect, have you noticed any > change in your BGs on the days you take the Fosamax? I haven't. I've been taking Fosamax for about 4-1/2 years. bj : Actually thinking about the use of vinegar to reduce BG, I'm wondering : if other acids might have a similar effect, have you noticed any : change in your BGs on the days you take the Fosamax? No, I seem to not be bothered, at this time, with dawn phenomenon. Wendy In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:07:14 +0000 in Msg.# <h6ntt3l5a1mod6fkpbova5dq3t5bfvkkac@4ax.com>, Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote: > The other half of the combination is hard work though, some pill she > has to eat with only water an hour before food, and keep walking > around until breakfast to avoid ulcers, she takes that once a week > AFAICR and the other supps on the days in between. I take Fosomax once a week & it seems to work. I drink water while waiting for a half hour before eating. I sit. You can't lay down. You should drink a certain amount of water with it. You can look it up at RxList.com etc. I have begun to wonder about switching to the once a month. <G> SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel ROTFLMAO at Schnetzer & Barret in 1992 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTCpMfU2818 "The three words every woman really longs to hear: I'll clean up." - Molly Shannon (1964-) 'Reader's Digest' [September 2007], 'Quotable Quotes' >>>> Here it comes out of the chalk and is incredibly hard, kettles seldom >>>> last a year even when regularly deconcreted, but I hope the calcium [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>They didn't add the calcium to help bones. They added calcium to sell >>more milk. My answer to yo is: so what? > They probably added the sugar to sell more milk too, maybe sugar > solution is cheaper. >>Calcium is needed to keep bones strong. But you have to learn to >>separate the hype from the truth. > True, also it needs magnesium and I think vitamin D to aid the > absorbtion, not sure of the magnesium level in the water but taking a > magnesium supplement didn't appear to change anything so it's probably > OK. > Mother has a prescribed calcium supplement for osteoporosis but this > may be wasted in this area. IMHO most of the elderly bone loss isn't due to lack of calcium in the diet, but to a combination of lack of vit D which is required for the uptake of the calcium, and lack of use of bones, i.e. reduced exercise, the "easy chair" disorder. Like muscles, bones grow stronger if used, and weaker if not used. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >IMHO most of the elderly bone loss isn't due to lack of calcium in the >diet, but to a combination of lack of vit D which is required for the >uptake of the calcium, and lack of use of bones, i.e. reduced >exercise, the "easy chair" disorder. Like muscles, bones grow stronger >if used, and weaker if not used. She didn't get to be 92 by sitting in a comfy chair . . . > W. Baker said... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I read that Orange County, California started recycling waste water back > into homes. I think I'd have a problem with that. How is that different than what your house does? The waste water comes out into a drain field, and that water enters into the water table or goes into streams. The Orange CA thing is that they return the water directly to the water table instead of sending it to a river or the ocean. > My water is from a reservoir that gets treated. Overtreated actually. How > would drugs get into a reservoir? The reservoir has streams feeding into it. If people live near the reservoir, then then the drugs they take in part get excreted or eliminated into the sewer system or septic tanks. This water ends up in the streams and rivers or in the water than ends up as part of the water table. > I've heard conspiracy theories in the > movies. By time it goes through treatment it's safe!?! I did hear from an > acquaintance who asked my cops how to destroy old ammo. They told her "we > throw ours into the reservoir." Thanks guys! :( That's not safe, because the ammo has lead in it. > I only drink and cook with Deer Park bottled water in the strong clear > jugs, the cheap-o frosted plastic jugs impart a lousy taste, imho. It > tastes better than my tap water with less chlorine and perfect PH. What is this perfect pH? Why does pH matter so much? > Safer? I dunno. I've been drinking it for 20 years or more. No mood swings > or new appendages. ;) I don't drink bottle water. No mood swings or new appendages either. Bottle water is from the same sources as tap water. Bottle water costs $1 or more per gallon (like $10 per gallon when you use 8 or 16 oz bottles or more) vs. $0.01 for tap water. > Best, > > Andy > I don't drink bottle water. No mood swings or new appendages either. > Bottle water is from the same sources as tap water. Bottle water costs > $1 or more per gallon (like $10 per gallon when you use 8 or 16 oz > bottles or more) vs. $0.01 for tap water. I drink bottled water in the sense that every once in a while I'm out somewhere and get thirsty and don't have any water with me, so I buy a bottle. Then when I get home I refill it and toss it in my pack. Eventually I lose it and end up buying a new bottle. The cycle of life. ;-) Priscilla Jeff said... >> W. Baker said... >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > That's not safe, because the ammo has lead in it. Oh, I know that! I was none too happy to hear it. Now I wonder about the reservoir. I live at a high point (360 ft.) in the county 1/2-mile across from it. There are a few houses around it and a new retired living community of cardboard condos right up to the shoreline. I don't have a clue about how they dispose of their wastewater. The reservoir's spillway creates a creek that runs below the dam and winds through a good portion of the county. I'll have to look into it. It's more an acid rain trap than stream fed. The dam is VERY old, made of field stones! The township evacuated some of the streets below me one year during a possible breach. 1,000,000 gallons potential flood was a number they reported. Never happened. I sized up my 50,000 gallon pool and 1,000,000 isn't a lot of water over 1/2 mile travel. Twenty pools worth. The creek does overflow after any large rain into some homes with the creek in their backyard. I heard it all happen over the scanner. The water company and my cops were caught off guard, making it sound more terrifying than it probably was. But they moved people out of the way, better safe than sorry. Can't fault them for that! >> I only drink and cook with Deer Park bottled water in the strong clear >> jugs, the cheap-o frosted plastic jugs impart a lousy taste, imho. It >> tastes better than my tap water with less chlorine and perfect PH. > > What is this perfect pH? Why does pH matter so much? It doesn't matter. 7 is neutral PH. I remember testing tap, pool and bottled water with my pool test kit years ago. Bottled water tested best for PH and low chlorine. My tap water had more chlorine than the pool water. I can smell it. >> Safer? I dunno. I've been drinking it for 20 years or more. No mood >> swings or new appendages. ;) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > $1 or more per gallon (like $10 per gallon when you use 8 or 16 oz > bottles or more) vs. $0.01 for tap water. Not all bottled water comes out of a tap. But I did read that all the major brands in Pennsylvania do get water from the same springs. I don't have the facilities to further filter out my tap water so I don't mind the extra cost and it DOES taste worlds better than my tap water. Very hard tap water, too. Best Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) > Jeff said... > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > It doesn't matter. 7 is neutral PH. So? It is pH (lower case p, capital H), not PH. I like pH 7 for my blood. If it is too basic, the water will have a bitter taste, and too acidic, it will have a sour taste. But most of the time, water will have neither taste. > I remember testing tap, pool and > bottled water with my pool test kit years ago. Bottled water tested best > for PH and low chlorine. My tap water had more chlorine than the pool > water. I can smell it. You can but filters that remove the chlorine. > >>> Safer? I dunno. I've been drinking it for 20 years or more. No mood [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > cost and it DOES taste worlds better than my tap water. Very hard tap > water, too. You can get a filter that attaches to the faucet on the kitchen sink. Jeff > Best > > Andy Jeff said... >> Not all bottled water comes out of a tap. But I did read that all the >> major brands in Pennsylvania do get water from the same springs. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff I wouldn't mind taking a chlorine-free soft water shower either! I've heard of water filter systems at the point of entry into the house. A big investment. I have charcoal/hepa air filters and radon exhaust systems. A complete water re-do WOULD be nice. Best, Andy SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) >> I remember testing tap, pool and >> bottled water with my pool test kit years ago. Bottled water tested best >> for PH and low chlorine. My tap water had more chlorine than the pool >> water. I can smell it. > You can but filters that remove the chlorine. Or you can simply leave it standing in a jug overnight. The chlorine outgasses. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > >> I remember testing tap, pool and > >> bottled water with my pool test kit years ago. Bottled water tested best [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Or you can simply leave it standing in a jug overnight. The chlorine > outgasses. I used to do that for watering houseplants. The water I'd run in the morning to wash out the lead that had been collected by standing warm water in the pipes would be drained into a pitcher then allowed to sit until I was ready to water the plants. Priscilla We never flush unused pills. We put them in a plastic bag or bottle and dispose of them in the garbage. At least they are going to be buried in a land fill for a very long time. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Please grant me: the serenity to accept the people I cannot change the courage to change the one that I can the wisdom to know that it is me > : Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: > : > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wendy They didn't say anything about reverse osmosis. It removes salt from sea water, probably dissolved drugs too. How about distillation? Impurities do not evaporate. SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 >>> Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: >>>> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > sea water, probably dissolved drugs too. How about distillation? > Impurities do not evaporate. I don't know about reverse osmosis getting rid of drugs in the water supply, but it is expensive. But not as expensive as distillation, which should do the trick. Rain water shouldn't have any drugs in it as well. SignatureBill DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007) A1c 04/2007 10.5 A1c 06/2007 7.4 A1c 08/2007 6.8 A1c 02/2008 6.3 >>>> Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: >>>>> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > supply, but it is expensive. But not as expensive as distillation, which > should do the trick. Rain water shouldn't have any drugs in it as well. At the core of every raindrop or snowflake is a bit of dirt too. >>>> Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: >>>>> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > supply, but it is expensive. But not as expensive as distillation, which > should do the trick. Rain water shouldn't have any drugs in it as well. I have a reverse osmosis system under my kitchen sink to rid my well water of arsenic. I imagine it rids my water of lots of things. Takes about 2 hours to make a gallon. I just use it for drinking water, coffee, ice cubes and some cooking. I fill a few jugs ahead. SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 > : Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: > : > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wendy >>botled wter was no better > as most comes form tap water<< Really? It's not spring water, natures juice, ? > > : Blattus Slafaly ? ? 0/00 :) wrote: > > : > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Really? It's not spring water, natures juice, ? No. This is hardly news. Priscilla >> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into >> the drinking water.......................So how long have they been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water. > JS Actually, flushing would lesson the likelihood of drugs getting in the water table. Throwing them in the trash where they would go to the land fill and be subject to rain would quickly get them in the water table. The exception would be if the sewerage was being recycled for use as drinking water. If that were the case I would move to another area. Anon > >> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into > >> the drinking water.......................So how long have they been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The exception would be if the sewerage was being recycled for use as > drinking water. If that were the case I would move to another area. You do understand that *all* water is recycled, right? Sewage goes into sewage treatment and then is returned to ocean/lake/river/whatever. You didn't think that sewage was being accumulated somewhere for perpetual storage and fresh water manufactured somewhere else, did you? You'd have to move off this planet to avoid drinking recycled sewage. Priscilla >> >> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into >> >> the drinking water.......................So how long have they been [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Priscilla since before WW2 I have seen alleged water problems to sell some over priced product. I believed that when Winston Churchill was very ill they used all of the penicillin available and then recycled his urine to get additional penicillin. Most products we ingest are found in our byproducts. I will be interested in an explanation that make this different from throwing a few in the toilet. Those that have concern about their water should get up to speed on reverse osmosis. or a distillation product. For eons people have consumed water with alleged dangerous items. A few died because of some item. Several kids I went to school within the lower grades were orphans. Their father dies from Typhoid Fever. Scenes like this led to efforts by health departments. Evidently they do a good job. Water borne illness seems to be rare. We see alarmist articles every week. I do conditon my water because it stinks and stains, not because it harms me. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Here in Tucson they call it reclaimed water and it is used for the gulf courses. In article <tfCdnbA8U-RliUranZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@giganews.com>, "anon" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 :) wrote: > >> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The exception would be if the sewerage was being recycled for use as > drinking water. If that were the case I would move to another area. You do understand that *all* water is recycled, right? Sewage goes into sewage treatment and then is returned to ocean/lake/river/whatever. You didn't think that sewage was being accumulated somewhere for perpetual storage and fresh water manufactured somewhere else, did you? You'd have to move off this planet to avoid drinking recycled sewage. Priscilla > Here in Tucson they call it reclaimed water and it is used for the gulf > courses. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Priscilla Yes, I know sh.t runs down hill but evaporation leave everything behind except the water vapor. Get it? SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 >> >> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into >> >> the drinking water.......................So how long have they been [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Priscilla When the water goes in the ocean, it only comes back to land and the water table through evaporation, akin to distilling. I would think twice about drinking the tap water in Chicago where the sewerage goes in the same lake they pump the tap water from At an rate, I was thinking of a much shorter recycle system. In my area there is such a system, they purify the water and run it through a series of 4 small lakes (Santee Lakes). There has always been talk of that water going back in the water system but it hasn't happened yet. They do use it for irrigation of parks, golf courses and city property. >>>>> Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into >>>>> the drinking water.......................So how long have they been [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > drinking the tap water in Chicago where the sewerage goes in the same lake > they pump the tap water from Why? The water is purified. The same thing happens just about with any tap water in the country, whether or water comes form the ground or a stream. After all, not only do humans poop, but fish, birds and other mammals poops, too. And humans give drugs, including antibiotics and steriods to cows. > At an rate, I was thinking of a much shorter recycle system. In my area > there is such a system, they purify the water and run it through a series of > 4 small lakes (Santee Lakes). There has always been talk of that water going > back in the water system but it hasn't happened yet. They do use it for > irrigation of parks, golf courses and city property. Don't forget, people are often not very good at washing their hands after using a toilet. There is a lot more to worry about from this than from chlorinated drinking water. Jeff > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into the > drinking water.......................So how long have they been feeding us > sewerage? Glad I have a well. I throw them away. Guess that's not a good solution either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. Hmmm... > I throw them away, i.e.my old pills. Guess that's not a good solution > either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. > Hmmm... I take all my old pills back to my chemist for disposal. He has printed paper bags that I can take home to bring the old drugs back to him for disposal. For many years now I have taken any medications that I no longer use back to my chemist. I think some of these drugs may be recycled to poorer countries that may not be able to afford all the drugs they need. I remember my endo telling me years ago that some medications lost a certain % of their efficacy per year. I took this to mean that doctors in some countries lacking all the medications they needed, might be able to get good use out of these returned medications by using them for their patients with careful supervision. Nev. >> I throw them away, i.e.my old pills. Guess that's not a good solution >> either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > these returned > medications by using them for their patients with careful supervision. We don't have a program like that here. In fact it is against the law to give your prescription meds to another person. >>> I throw them away, i.e.my old pills. Guess that's not a good solution >>> either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > We don't have a program like that here. In fact it is against the law to > give your prescription meds to another person. EVERY pharmacy here takes back the old meds for disposal have you asked your pharmacist? >>>> I throw them away, i.e.my old pills. Guess that's not a good solution >>>> either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > have you asked your pharmacist? Yep. They've given me the wrong meds before and they told me to keep them. They could not take them back once dispensed. > Yep. They've given me the wrong meds before and they told me to keep > them. They could not take them back once dispensed. Being given the wrong medication is something that should be taken seriously, and generally is. This should be reported immediately to the dispensing pharmacy, who, I think, should have an obligation to take back the wrong medication, replace it and report the incident to the authorities because this can place a patient at serious risk.. I have had two instances where I have been given the wrong strength of medication - once the wrong medication was a stronger strength, and the other time it was a weaker strength, but each time the right and wrong strengths came in packaging that was exactly same in size and colouring. When these two incidents were reported, the pharmaceutical industry quickly changed the packaging so that it was different for the different strengths of the medications. I have known chemists who have been keen to do an audit of the medications in their patients' houses. Nev. ---- > I have had two instances where I have been given the wrong strength of > medication - once the wrong medication was a stronger strength, and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have known chemists who have been keen to do an audit of the > medications in their patients' houses. When I was given the wrong med (double strength) the pharmacist took it back, refunded my money, and filled the scrip again (properly) at no charge. She also had to fill out some paperwork for her (chain) pharmacy company. Sometimes pharmacies will have "brown bag" events where you can put all your meds (rx & otc) in a bag & bring them in for the pharmacist to look at & check out for overlaps & contradictions & so on. Some patients, especially older ones, are advised to "brown bag it" when they go to their doctors. It's hard to recognize if a pill is wrong when it's a generic -- they're hard(er) to look up on the internet than brand-name meds are. When my m.o. pharmacy changes the generic they send, they include a "your medication may look different" letter -- it still makes me a bit nervous. I think I've heard about some meds changing *name* (brand name) not just packaging, because of similarities leading to confusion among doctors & pharmacists. bj >> I have had two instances where I have been given the wrong strength of >> medication - once the wrong medication was a stronger strength, and the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > packaging, because of similarities leading to confusion among doctors & > pharmacists. In my case it was actually the right med but the wrong dose. Easy for the pharmacy to get messed up I suppose since my dose on many meds change quite a bit. They did not charge me any extra to get the new pills but they said they could not take back the old ones. They do have hazardous waste disposal things here once a year or so. I suppose I should save my pills for that. > In my case it was actually the right med but the wrong dose. Easy for the > pharmacy to get messed up I suppose since my dose on many meds change > quite a bit. They did not charge me any extra to get the new pills but > they said they could not take back the old ones. I'd complain up the food chain to the pharmacy company &/or the pharmacy regulators. The pharmacy should take back anything they give you that isn't right -- ISTM that saying they "can't" take back the wrong meds is just making excuses so they don't have to do the work involved (proper disposal? accounting for the meds?) in fixing their screwup. Charging "extra" for the correct merchandise -- correcting *their* mistake -- would be at the very least Bad Business (complain to BBB as well, perhaps?). BTW I don't see why changing doses or meds or anything else about a prescription should mess up the pharmacists -- don't they *read* what it says? & if they think it's wrong they can check with the doctor or even you -- "yes, I know it was 100mg last time, now it's 200, is there a problem?" (sometimes there actually *is* a problem with a prescription -- conflicts with your other meds or conditions, overdoses, etc. i.e. the doctor wrote it wrong, & it's good for the pharmacists to catch these things!) bj >> In my case it was actually the right med but the wrong dose. Easy for >> the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > correct merchandise -- correcting *their* mistake -- would be at the very > least Bad Business (complain to BBB as well, perhaps?). I don't know. Hadn't thought about it. This happened a while back. The person I believe was in charge of the screwups is no longer there. Another thing that happened on a regular basis was them giving me only 30 days worth of pills instead of 90. The first few times it happened, I didn't realize until I ran out of pills and tried to get a refill. They told me I could not because my insurance wouldn't pay for it. I pitched a fit. Then I started checking my pills before I left the counter. One time the guy told me I was only allowed 30 days! He didn't want to look it up on the computer. I pitched another fit. > BTW I don't see why changing doses or meds or anything else about a > prescription should mess up the pharmacists -- don't they *read* what it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > doctor wrote it wrong, & it's good for the pharmacists to catch these > things!) I could be wrong but if memory serves, I had called in a refill for the med and then went to the Dr. in the meantime who changed my dose. I told them I no longer needed the old refill but this is the one they gave me instead of the new dose. They've also told me in more recent times that they can no longer change my dose until all of the old pills have run out. This can be annoying and usually leads to my taking the wrong dose of pills for a time. I haven't had this happen lately but have not had any dose changes lately. >> Yep. They've given me the wrong meds before and they told me to keep >> them. They could not take them back once dispensed. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I have known chemists who have been keen to do an audit of the > medications in their patients' houses. They gave me the right medication. Just said they could not take the wrong one back. Now there was one case where I noticed before I had paid for the medication that they gave me the wrong thing. Not their fault, but the Drs. My Dr. was out sick when I needed the refill which had run out. Another Dr. could not read her writing and told them to prescribe what he thought it was. In that case they tried to force me to take the medication. They couldn't understand why I was complaining. I needed a BP med and this was a BP med. But I would not take it and told them to call the Dr. back again. It eventually got straightened out. I think I may have had to call the Dr. myself on that one. Not sure. It was many years ago. > They gave me the right medication. Just said they could not take the > wrong one back. Now there was one case where I noticed before I had paid > for the medication that they gave me the wrong thing. Not their fault, > but the Drs. My Dr. was out sick when I needed the refill which had run > out. Another Dr. could not read her writing and told them to prescribe > what he thought it was. This may not have been a very recent experience with you, because these days more and more doctors are printing their prescriptions out from their computers. The chemists are happy because they rarely have to ring a doctor up because they can't read his/her writing. My endo was the first doc who printed out prescriptions for me, and even back then he dictated to his computer the report he sent back to my GP. Nev. ---- On 3/11/08 4:49 AM, in article 47d67200$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Nev." <nev@nowhere.org> wrote: >> I throw them away, i.e.my old pills. Guess that's not a good solution >> either because some animal might bite the container open and eat them. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Nev. In British Columbia, all pharmacies take unused prescriptions back. They are then safely disposed of so as not to harm the environment. They certainly are not allowed to recycle them. Who knows where they've been and what has been done to them. I'm pretty sure other jurisdictions have similar programmes. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia On 3/11/08 4:49 AM, in article 47d67200$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Nev." <nev@nowhere.org> wrote: > "Julie Bove" wrote ... >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Nev. In British Columbia, all pharmacies take unused prescriptions back. They are then safely disposed of so as not to harm the environment. They certainly are not allowed to recycle them. Who knows where they've been and what has been done to them. I'm pretty sure other jurisdictions have similar programmes. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia Do they burn them? > On 3/11/08 4:49 AM, in article > 47d67200$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Nev." <nev@nowhere.org> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > been done to them. I'm pretty sure other jurisdictions have similar > programmes. Just think of all the illegal drugs flushed down the toilet! SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 On 3/11/08 10:19 PM, in article 13teq4t85hvp54e@corp.supernews.com, > On 3/11/08 4:49 AM, in article > 47d67200$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Nev." <nev@nowhere.org> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > been done to them. I'm pretty sure other jurisdictions have similar > programmes. I don't know for sure, but I believe they incinerate them in a hazardous waste furnace. That's what they do with the stuff from the hospitals. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into the > > drinking water.......................So how long have they been feeding us > > sewerage? Glad I have a well. > > I throw them away. Guess that's not a good solution either because some > animal might bite the container open and eat them. Hmmm... More likely they go into a landfill where they may leach into the ground water. Priscilla >Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into >the drinking water.......................So how long have they been >feeding us sewerage? Glad I have a well. We get feed sewage every time a politician gives a speech. > Don't flush your old pills down the toilet any more. It's getting into > the drinking water.......................So how long have they been > feeding us sewerage? Glad I have a well. This is not the big deal. Actually most oral drugs are tested for what is excreted in the urine or feces. Varying proportions of the drugs will come out in the same chemical form as they went in. Some will result in changed chemical forms called metabolites. |
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