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A1C query

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Helen Back - 06 Mar 2008 08:55 GMT
Hi guys,

One factor of our dx that I do find I am vague on is the A1C.

At my first consultation in November (3 months after dx) you may
remember that mine was quite good  (doc said they aim for 6.0 and mine
was 6.6).  Up to approx 8 weeks ago, my bg post-prandial was averaging
5.6 (100.8) , I'd combatted dawn phenomenon and health in general was
brilliant.

At the consultation my bad cholesterol was bad, good was bad so am
hoping the weight loss and good numbers will have started a good
process of seeing these numbers improve.

But, because I got glandular fever and the viral conditions that came
with it, my average bg has been about 7.1 (127.8).  My next
consultation is in April and I am having blood and urine done at the
hospital next week, ready for the results in April.
My question is, will my A1C be higher due to the last 8 weeks or so,
or do you know if the improved numbers from dx to up to 8 weeks ago
will show up, as opposed to these bad numbers in the last two months?

I'd hate to think my A1C is higher due to ill health, when the
majority of time since dx, my bg numbers have been brilliant.

Hope my post makes sense, I think I fried my brain with all these
colds!
Helen Howes - 06 Mar 2008 09:18 GMT
Doctors like A1c numbers, because they are small and tidy, and they
can tell patients to "work towards" them without specifying how...
Pages and pages of numbers make them nervous.  But in terms of your
general control, they can be deceptive. It's an average, not a
summation.   If you wake up with low numbers, peak madly after
breakfast, go reactive hypo at 11, eat biscuits and peak again, and so
on through the day, you may have a better A1c than someone who
consistently never goes above, say 7.5 (135) all day, but also never
gets down below 5.5 (100).  The latter is certainly better for your
health long-term.  And the numbers are not consistent for the last
three months, as the emphasis will be on the last month, with the last
couple of weeks as the most obviously represented.  So it is perfectly
possible to have good A1c numbers while eating all the wrong foods,
except in the couple of weeks before the test.  Most doctors don't
understand this either.  Mine didn't want me to test just after
Christmas (so I think he does understand) but as I don't do Festival
Food, I did, and the number was unchanged.  (5.9, could do better. )
He has decided that I am doing better for me than he can, so is
leaving me to play at present... Good man...

So, please don't sweat the day-to-day too much.  All the illnesses are
probably because you have a disordered hormone system (which we know
you have) and a damaged immune system (all those years of high
numbers), and it will all take a while to settle.  The common reaction
amongst many diabetics seems to be "I didn't fix it in a minute, so I
won't bother any more".  This leads to blind amputees on dialysis, and
as you will have realised, this crampos one's style immeasurably...

You spent years getting ill, may have to take a while to control, and
will be doing this forever - patience!

Keep up the good work

Helen Howes
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:10 GMT
> Doctors like A1c numbers, because they are small and tidy, and they
> can tell patients to "work towards" them without specifying how...
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>
> Helen Howes

Reassuring words.  Thank you, Helen :))
Trinkwasser - 07 Mar 2008 20:41 GMT
>Doctors like A1c numbers, because they are small and tidy, and they
>can tell patients to "work towards" them without specifying how...
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>consistently never goes above, say 7.5 (135) all day, but also never
>gets down below 5.5 (100).  

That would be me, on both counts: identical A1c, widely different
variance.

Here's some stuff on the A1c (the whole FAQ is worth a read)

http://75.126.69.23/faqs/diabetes/faq/part2/
Robert Miles - 06 Mar 2008 11:46 GMT
> Hi guys,
>
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> Hope my post makes sense, I think I fried my brain with all these
> colds!

The recent weeks tend to have more effect on it than a similar time
earlier, so make sure you tell your doctor about the change in
your bG readings.
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:10 GMT
On 6 Mar, 11:46, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
wrote:

> > Hi guys,
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Robert.  I will tell him! :))
krom - 06 Mar 2008 11:58 GMT
They claim recent weeks wont count but when i had a sinus infection mine
went from a 5 to a 6 and my endo redid the test cause its a diff office from
Gp  and it was back to 5.5 so i dunno <shrug>

Just keep eating right and workign on overall health and dont sweat the
number tooo much..of course if its crazy high and your  numbers are good it
could be your running high as you sleep or somthing..im which case you could
try a timed released met or somthing..no big deal.

KROM

> Hi guys,
>
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> Hope my post makes sense, I think I fried my brain with all these
> colds!
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:21 GMT
Thanks Krom.  I'll do my best to not get myself onto meds - if I can
keep to diet and exercise alone, I will be one happy bunny.  But, yes,
if my viral condition deems it necessary then I will discuss it with
the doc.  Cheers! :))

> They claim recent weeks wont count but when i had a sinus infection mine
> went from a 5 to a 6 and my endo redid the test cause its a diff office from
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ray - 06 Mar 2008 16:05 GMT
> Hi guys,
>
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> numbers from dx to up to 8 weeks ago will show up, as opposed to these
> bad numbers in the last two months?

Used to be that A1C was considered an average over the last 90 days or
so. As I understand it, as a better understanding of the underlying
mechanisms has emerged, it is now considered to be indicative of the last
month or so, heavily weighted to the last one or two weeks.

> I'd hate to think my A1C is higher due to ill health, when the majority
> of time since dx, my bg numbers have been brilliant.
>
> Hope my post makes sense, I think I fried my brain with all these colds!
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:23 GMT
> > Hi guys,
>
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> mechanisms has emerged, it is now considered to be indicative of the last
> month or so, heavily weighted to the last one or two weeks.

At least I have a good excuse, *if* the A1C is higher than I wanted it
to be.  I am now curious as to know what will show up! Thanks
Ray.  :)))
bj - 06 Mar 2008 17:28 GMT
> I'd hate to think my A1C is higher due to ill health, when the
> majority of time since dx, my bg numbers have been brilliant.

Your A1c will reflect what's been going on in recent weeks, & if illness is
the reason for the higher bgs (& thus A1c) it's not a character judgment!
It's just a fact of life that sometimes things happen that throw us off
track and we can't always control either the events or the fall-out.

Your medical team *should* understand & not badger you over it;
they might even be surprised it's not "worse" & congratulate you.
I hope you get to feeling better!
bj
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:25 GMT
> > I'd hate to think my A1C is higher due to ill health, when the
> > majority of time since dx, my bg numbers have been brilliant.
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> I hope you get to feeling better!
> bj

If I get badgered, I'll shove my meter up the doc's nose!  It proves
how brilliant my bg levels have been for at least 6 months!!  And if I
am *judged* on a few weeks apparent slippage, then I will cough over
him too!! :)))

Thanks bj :)))
Nicky - 07 Mar 2008 22:51 GMT
>If I get badgered, I'll shove my meter up the doc's nose!  It proves
>how brilliant my bg levels have been for at least 6 months!!  And if I
>am *judged* on a few weeks apparent slippage, then I will cough over
>him too!! :)))

ROFL! You go, girl :D

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Helen Back - 11 Mar 2008 11:17 GMT
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:25:31 -0800 (PST), Helen Back
>
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>
> ROFL! You go, girl :D

LOL - this dx has made me very assertive of late!! :P
bj - 09 Mar 2008 18:18 GMT
> If I get badgered, I'll shove my meter up the doc's nose!  It proves
> how brilliant my bg levels have been for at least 6 months!!  And if I
> am *judged* on a few weeks apparent slippage, then I will cough over
> him too!! :)))

You Go Girl!

Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint. It's how you do well over a way
longer period than a few weeks that matters. There *will* be these little
blips to contend with. Always a Learning Experience.
bj
Helen Back - 11 Mar 2008 11:18 GMT
> > If I get badgered, I'll shove my meter up the doc's nose!  It proves
> > how brilliant my bg levels have been for at least 6 months!!  And if I
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> blips to contend with. Always a Learning Experience.
> bj

Thanks bj - I do need a kick sometimes, reminders that I dont have
control over everything - nature is nature!!

Cheers :))))
Tiger_Lily - 06 Mar 2008 21:43 GMT
> Hi guys,
>
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> Hope my post makes sense, I think I fried my brain with all these
> colds!
yes, your A1c will be higher if your bg levels have been higher for the
last 2 months

the red blood cell lasts about 3 months to 120 days....... and the
glycation of those red blood cells is what is measured....... however,
the measurement also reflects more towards the last 4 weeks of this 120
day period

there is no failure in not having a great A1c when you have been
sick.... it's just something that happens, so don't let it get you down

take care
kate
Helen Back - 07 Mar 2008 09:28 GMT
> > Hi guys,
>
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>
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Cheers Kate.  I know that although we have to take our condition
seriously, that sometimes we can whip ourselves when things go awry
for short periods of times.  I guess I am simply feeling sorry for
myself with this constant sniffle thing!  And my glandular fever bout
was 'orrible - I felt like death warmed up!

I know I havent failed - it just took you lovely people to make me see
it! :))

Thank you.
 
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