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Julie Bove - 04 Mar 2008 18:42 GMT
That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.  Luckily
it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It was low
last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.
John - 04 Mar 2008 18:52 GMT
> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.  Luckily
> it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It was low
> last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.

Julie, what were your numbers?

John C.
Julie Bove - 04 Mar 2008 19:05 GMT
On Mar 4, 1:42 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had. Luckily
> it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice. It was low
> last time I was in there. She also told me to drink more water.

Julie, what were your numbers?

Today 100/80.  To me that's not all that low.  I have had much lower
numbers.  Like 80/65.  I feel really unwell and faint at those numbers.
John - 04 Mar 2008 19:10 GMT
> On Mar 4, 1:42 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
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> Today 100/80.  To me that's not all that low.  I have had much lower
> numbers.  Like 80/65.  I feel really unwell and faint at those numbers.

I bet. 100/80 sounds pretty darn good to me. Mine are running about
110/78 or so, but I'm on a beta blocker.

When I was on a higher dose of beta blocker plus Altace, I was
dropping to 80/42 after exercise. I didn't feel faint, but I was a
little dizzy. That's when the doc lowered the BP meds.

John C.
Julie Bove - 04 Mar 2008 19:35 GMT
On Mar 4, 2:05 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John" <jcarne...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
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> Today 100/80. To me that's not all that low. I have had much lower
> numbers. Like 80/65. I feel really unwell and faint at those numbers.

I bet. 100/80 sounds pretty darn good to me. Mine are running about
110/78 or so, but I'm on a beta blocker.

When I was on a higher dose of beta blocker plus Altace, I was
dropping to 80/42 after exercise. I didn't feel faint, but I was a
little dizzy. That's when the doc lowered the BP meds.

Beta Blockers are usually contraindicated in diabetics.  I'm on a fairly
high dose of an Ace inhibitor because of protein in my urine.
Andy - 04 Mar 2008 19:13 GMT
Julie Bove said...

> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
> Luckily it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It
> was low last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.

Julie,

You should buy a blood pressure monitor so you don't accidentally go
overboard! Mine lives on the kitchen table and I use it just about every
time I enter.

Do you know what exactly is the underlying cause of your low BP?

Andy
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Julie Bove - 04 Mar 2008 19:36 GMT
> Julie Bove said...
>
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>
> Do you know what exactly is the underlying cause of your low BP?

I have one.  And the reason is the high dose of Ace inhibitor I am on for
protein in my urine.
Bill - 04 Mar 2008 21:29 GMT
> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.  Luckily
> it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It was low
> last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.

I'd ask to see a cardiologist pronto if it concerns you.  At least a
second opinion at some other GP.  

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Julie Bove - 04 Mar 2008 23:13 GMT
>> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
>> Luckily
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> I'd ask to see a cardiologist pronto if it concerns you.  At least a
> second opinion at some other GP.

Nope.  Doesn't concern me.
GysdeJongh - 05 Mar 2008 01:13 GMT
> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
> Luckily it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It
> was low last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.

Hi Julie Bove,
my numbers are about the same.

Just my 2 cents :
I started to exercise
I took Quentins advice and add wallnuts => more Magnesium.
I took Ozgirl's advive and changed to fresh vegetables => more Potassium
I deleted all processed foods like pizza , cookies , potato chips => less
Sodium
I start cooking myself , no more take-away food => less Sodium
This lowered my heath rate and blood pressure

The normal range is 85/130 and I only found the suggestion to contact my
dokter if standing up causes dizziness.I see this as a beneficial side
effect of my new lifestyle and I would not dream of adding back sodium.

Did you tell your dokter that you might have a better diet than he expects
:)
Gys
Julie Bove - 05 Mar 2008 04:52 GMT
>> That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
>> Luckily it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It
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> Did you tell your dokter that you might have a better diet than he expects
> :)

My diet is really good.  I am not on BP meds because of BP that is too high.
I am on them to protect my kidneys because there was protein in my urine.

Because I have food allergies, I can not eat much in the way of processed
food, even if I wanted to.  I do not know exactly what take-away food is.  I
am picturing something like fish and chips.  The only food we sometimes
bring home is freshly made hummus and falafel or salad bar from Central
Market or an occasional meal from Taco Time.  What we get there is made to
our specifications and they cook their food fresh from scratch daily.

My Dr. did not tell me to add sodium back into my diet.  She said to add
salt.  But now that I think about it, restricting salt didn't lower my BP
when it *was* too high (although I did smoke back then), so perhaps adding
it in won't help me.

I do use some salt in my cooking.  The only overly salty foods I eat are
popcorn, pretzels and olives.  I don't eat these things every day.  I do
drink a lot of diet soda which is probably where the bulk of my sodium comes
from.  I don't like to add salt to most foods and I find most overly salty
foods off-putting.  I was shocked the other night to discover how salty the
Western Family Small Red Beans were.  They are canned.  I bought them for my
husband after he told me they have the most anti-oxidants of any food.  I
had eaten them prior in some Spanish rice and didn't notice their saltiness
then.  But straight from the can they were horrible.  If I ever eat them
again like that I will have to rinse them or I won't be able to stand them!
Nicky - 05 Mar 2008 19:38 GMT
>My Dr. did not tell me to add sodium back into my diet.  She said to add
>salt.  But now that I think about it, restricting salt didn't lower my BP
>when it *was* too high (although I did smoke back then), so perhaps adding
>it in won't help me.

I add salt when cooking, and often at the table; I'm not on a
low-sodium diet by any means, but my bp is still consistently around
the 90/60 range, soaring to 100/70 with white coat syndrome : )

Nicky.
Julie Bove - 06 Mar 2008 03:47 GMT
>>My Dr. did not tell me to add sodium back into my diet.  She said to add
>>salt.  But now that I think about it, restricting salt didn't lower my BP
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> low-sodium diet by any means, but my bp is still consistently around
> the 90/60 range, soaring to 100/70 with white coat syndrome : )

Well, phooey.
Quentin Grady - 06 Mar 2008 04:35 GMT
>That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.  Luckily
>it was low when I was in there so now it's on record, twice.  It was low
>last time I was in there.  She also told me to drink more water.

G'day G'day Julie,

  My blood pressure is regularly low.  It doesn't bother me and my GP
isn't bothered about it either.  Low blood pressure is generally
regarded as much safer than high blood pressure.  Were you
experiencing some unpleasant or unsafe symptoms?

FWIIW,  increasing salt intake doesn't always raise blood pressure.
For some people it does. Yes, it is a genetic thing.  For others it
doesn't.  Their kidneys simply deal with it.   It will be interesting
for you to discover whether in fact it has any appreciable effect for
you.

Best wishes,

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Julie Bove - 06 Mar 2008 04:35 GMT
>>That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
>>Luckily
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> regarded as much safer than high blood pressure.  Were you
> experiencing some unpleasant or unsafe symptoms?

Yes.  Passing out.

> FWIIW,  increasing salt intake doesn't always raise blood pressure.
> For some people it does. Yes, it is a genetic thing.  For others it
> doesn't.  Their kidneys simply deal with it.   It will be interesting
> for you to discover whether in fact it has any appreciable effect for
> you.

I'm thinking it won't for me.  When it was high and I tried a low sodium
diet, it didn't help me at all.  In fact it made me quite grouchy.
Quentin Grady - 07 Mar 2008 22:30 GMT
>> G'day G'day Julie,
>>
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>
>Yes.  Passing out.

Thank you.  That is so important in putting together the big picture.
When I have low blood pressure I don't experience such symptom.
We often say YMMV, your mileage may vary and it does in so many ways.

>> FWIIW,  increasing salt intake doesn't always raise blood pressure.
>> For some people it does. Yes, it is a genetic thing.  For others it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I'm thinking it won't for me.  When it was high and I tried a low sodium
>diet, it didn't help me at all.  In fact it made me quite grouchy.

It is likely there are others who've had similar experiences. They'll
be glad to know they aren't alone.

Best wishes,
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hemyd - 06 Mar 2008 20:20 GMT
>>That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
>>Luckily
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>
> Best wishes,

G'day Quentin,

Never having previously had high blood pressure, I developed it about ten
years ago, and now am on the maximum does (10mg) of Tritace, an ACE
Inhibitor. To me, salt is a major high bp trigger. Eating a tin of soup or a
large amount of salted nuts (neither of which I fortunately like doing), or
having a particularly salty Chinese meal, will override the medication and
shoot my bp up.

Henry Mydlarz
Julie Bove - 06 Mar 2008 22:41 GMT
>>>That's what my GP told me today to counteract the low BP I've had.
>>>Luckily
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> or having a particularly salty Chinese meal, will override the medication
> and shoot my bp up.

Canned soup (certain kinds only because of allergies) is one meal that I can
easily digest.  It doesn't cause BP problems for me.
Quentin Grady - 07 Mar 2008 22:23 GMT
>G'day Quentin,
>
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>
>Henry Mydlarz

G'day G'day Henry,

  ASD is an amazing place where diabetics and those who love them can
share their experiences freely.  Why is this so important?   Well in
sharing our experiences freely we get the chance to notice that there
are similarities and there are differences.  For some such as yourself
salt is a powerful trigger.  For others it is not.  

If we could only share information with a few neighbors or work
colleagues we might obtain a more distorted perception of what is
likely to be true for ourselves.

Thank you for helping build the "big picture"

Best wishes,
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