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CHOCOLATE LOVER - 04 Mar 2008 17:39 GMT
Eat chocolate and get healthy - unprocessed chocolate without
fillers, waxes, preservatives -  Extremely high in antioxidants,
caffeine free, low sugar, with acai berry.  Diabetic Friendly.
AND have a home-based business building cash flow.
For more information.write or go to our website at
www.chocolatehealthdiet.com.
Blessings and good health,
Màck©® - 04 Mar 2008 21:21 GMT
>Eat chocolate and get healthy - unprocessed chocolate without
>fillers, waxes, preservatives -  Extremely high in antioxidants,
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Jim Chinnis - 05 Mar 2008 03:47 GMT
CHOCOLATE LOVER <info@chocolatehealthdiet.com> wrote in part:

>Eat chocolate and get healthy - unprocessed chocolate without
>fillers, waxes, preservatives -  Extremely high in antioxidants,
>caffeine free, low sugar, with acai berry.  Diabetic Friendly.
>AND have a home-based business building cash flow.
>For more information.write or go to our website at

It can't be unprocessed if it's caffeine free.
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Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 05 Mar 2008 08:48 GMT
> CHOCOLATE LOVER <info@chocolatehealthdiet.com> wrote in part:
>
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>
> It can't be unprocessed if it's caffeine free.

Chocolate starts off being low in caffeine.  Many folks mistakenly
think the theobromine which is the major alkaloid in chocolate is
caffeine:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/btngjuv213c9u0rr/

Still smarter to simply eat less, down to the right about rather than
diet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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Andy - 05 Mar 2008 12:06 GMT
Jim Chinnis said...

> CHOCOLATE LOVER <info@chocolatehealthdiet.com> wrote in part:
>
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> --
> Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA

And it can't be chocolate unless it's processed. Chocolate doesn't grow on
trees.

I do miss my 85% cocoa dark chocolate bars. Just a 1" square x 1/4" piece
every other day was like eating a whole box of cookies, it was so rich and
satisfying! :(

Best,

Andy

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Alan S - 05 Mar 2008 12:45 GMT
>Jim Chinnis said...
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>Andy

Why miss them? Do it. I try to eat a small square of high %
(70 or 85) daily. Chocolate in moderation is good for you.
It's sticking to moderation that is the hard part.

A 200gm block lasts me at least two weeks so I average about
10-15gms a day. I can live with that, and so can my heart,
my pancreas and my arteries.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Andy - 05 Mar 2008 13:48 GMT
Alan S said...

>>Jim Chinnis said...
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>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Alan,

I enjoyed the "Valrhona Le Noir Extra Amer" 85% cocoa bar. Each square
(40g) has only 5g of sugar which is acceptable but the 12g of sat. fat. is
not, for my diet, putting me over my daily limit. I suppose one square,
averaged out over a week or more, it's probably not so bad.

I'll buy a bar. Maybe as a Sunday treat. It IS good stuff. It can live
safely in the fridge forever (maybe). ;)

Best

Andy
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Ozgirl - 05 Mar 2008 22:33 GMT
"Andy" <q> wrote in message

> I enjoyed the "Valrhona Le Noir Extra Amer" 85% cocoa bar. Each square
> (40g) has only 5g of sugar which is acceptable but the 12g of sat. fat. is
> not, for my diet, putting me over my daily limit. I suppose one square,
> averaged out over a week or more, it's probably not so bad.

What other sat fat are you having? I find my sat fat intake on most days is
almost zero. 12 gr daily would fit into my regimen. I found 85% incredibly
unpalatable though, 70% is my limit.
Andy - 06 Mar 2008 11:33 GMT
Ozgirl said...

> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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> is almost zero. 12 gr daily would fit into my regimen. I found 85%
> incredibly unpalatable though, 70% is my limit.

Ozgirl,

I can't report that from my diet software but mostly it's from chicken
tenders, "Smart Balance" Omega 3 peanut butter, whole natural almonds,
avocado, buffalo, pork tenderloin and other stuff. No cheese, no butter, no
milk, no mayo, etc., etc.

70% dark chocolate is decent. Probably contains more sugar? I forget.

Best,

Andy
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Julie Bove - 06 Mar 2008 16:07 GMT
> Ozgirl said...
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> 70% dark chocolate is decent. Probably contains more sugar? I forget.

Less sugar that regular chocolate.
Tiger_Lily - 05 Mar 2008 16:20 GMT
> Jim Chinnis said...
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> Andy

Andy, 85% dark chocolate is one of the things we can eat in moderation
(your size of square sounds good)

why have you had to give it up?

kate
Andy - 05 Mar 2008 16:58 GMT
Tiger_Lily said...

>> Jim Chinnis said...
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> kate

kate,

My fat is divided (based on a 2300 calorie daily intake):

Percent of calories from fat: 30%

Total Fat: 78g/daily
 Saturated fat: 10% (8g)
 Mono-unsaturated fat: 70% (54g)
 Poly-unsaturated fat: 20% (15g)

One square of 85% dark chocolate is 12g sat. fat. An instant daily
overdose. I have to spread it around, carefully.

Best,

Andy
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Ozgirl - 05 Mar 2008 22:26 GMT
> Tiger_Lily said...
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> One square of 85% dark chocolate is 12g sat. fat. An instant daily
> overdose. I have to spread it around, carefully.

Why not just go by the RDA recommended amount. Do you lose weight on 2300
calories?
Màck©® - 06 Mar 2008 06:38 GMT
>> One square of 85% dark chocolate is 12g sat. fat. An instant daily
>> overdose. I have to spread it around, carefully.
>
>Why not just go by the RDA recommended amount. Do you lose weight on 2300
>calories?

I eat between 1800 and 2000 to maintain weight.

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Andy - 06 Mar 2008 12:10 GMT
Ozgirl said...

>> Tiger_Lily said...
>>
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> Why not just go by the RDA recommended amount. Do you lose weight on 2300
> calories?

Ozgirl,

I never eat close to 2300 calories a day. It's a software/metabolism/weight
calculation that fluctuates daily. I'm usually only eating 1,500 calories a
day and with exercise, am more fit and strong for it.

I have a long history of bad cholesterol and triglycerides excesses to
bring into acceptable range. "Drastic measures for drastic times" or so it
may seem.

A bright side is my blood pressure is better so that I only need to
medicate every other day usually. It's the plaque in my veins, not sodium
causing my high blood pressure. And to think I didn't eat cheese or eggs
until I was out of college, only a lion's share of plain hamburgers.

Pop and his heart attacks and gout and Pop-Pop and his diabetes pretty well
explains me. 50-years-old, no heart attacks and no diabetes meds yet. I'm
super careful/anal lately about diet.

I'm overdue for bloodwork. I'm sure it's better than before! I didn't lose
48 pounds for nothing! :)

Best,

Andy
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Nicky - 06 Mar 2008 22:32 GMT
>I'm overdue for bloodwork. I'm sure it's better than before! I didn't lose
>48 pounds for nothing! :)

Do you get a full lipid panel? The lower/better carb diet-and-exercise
our meters dictate often have a hugely beneficial effect on all the
right things.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Andy - 06 Mar 2008 23:04 GMT
Nicky said...

> Do you get a full lipid panel?

Of course!!!

Best,

Andy
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Ozgirl - 07 Mar 2008 04:40 GMT
> Nicky said...
>
>> Do you get a full lipid panel?
>
> Of course!!!

Where I live the doc just writes on the request form as the reason for the
tests - "Type 2 Diabetic". The labs just automatically test for everything
to do with that.
Nicky - 07 Mar 2008 08:24 GMT
>> Nicky said...
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>tests - "Type 2 Diabetic". The labs just automatically test for everything
>to do with that.

<envy> - I can only get one every 5 years as a matter of course over
here. The T2 panel only tests total chol; if I ask nicely I can
sometimes get HDL added.

Still, I hope yours is a nice surprise, Andy!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Oleg Lego - 07 Mar 2008 14:35 GMT
>>> Nicky said...
>>>
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>here. The T2 panel only tests total chol; if I ask nicely I can
>sometimes get HDL added.

I guess I'm somewhere in between. If I ask for it specifically, he'll
put a lipid on the sheet. Otherwise, he figure once per year when
taking the meds is fine.

>Still, I hope yours is a nice surprise, Andy!

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Chris Hogg - 07 Mar 2008 18:17 GMT
>>> Nicky said...
>>>
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>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25

That's appalling! Must be your GP or Health Authority. In the far SW I
get the full works every six months (HDL, LDL, Trigs and Total chol,
Hba1c, liver functions and urine tests, and foot examination), and I
get all the results told to me if I ask, and retinal examination
annually. And all that except the eye exam at our local surgery (Dr's
Office).

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Lipids:Tot 4.2 HDL 1.4 LDL 2.5 Tri 0.6

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Trinkwasser - 07 Mar 2008 19:34 GMT
>>> Nicky said...
>>>
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>here. The T2 panel only tests total chol; if I ask nicely I can
>sometimes get HDL added.

Annoying isn't it? When she did a thyroid test I couldn't have the
lipids done at the same time. And I have to twist her arm to get the
lipids done at all as she is "not supposed" to check them when
patients are on statins.

I did ask about CRP and homocysteine but again she is "not allowed" to
request them unless the patient has a disease involving inflammation.
Tiger_Lily - 06 Mar 2008 03:53 GMT
> Tiger_Lily said...
>
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>
> Andy
dang........ you count the fat in your chocolate?

i'd never be able to eat chocolate then! :)

i do like one piece a week

kate
Chris Hogg - 06 Mar 2008 20:13 GMT
>> Tiger_Lily said...
>>
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>
>i do like one piece a week

Wikipedia has an interesting entry on chocolate. WRT health risks and
benefits, in particular the fat content, it says:

"Two-thirds of the fat in chocolate comes in the forms of a saturated
fat called stearic acid and a monounsaturated fat called oleic acid.
However, unlike other saturated fats, stearic acid does not raise
levels of LDL cholesterol in the bloodstream.[29]. Consuming
relatively large amounts of dark chocolate and cocoa does not seem to
raise serum LDL cholesterol levels; some studies even find that it
could lower them."

[29] Chocolate:Food of the Gods.. Yale-New Haven Hospital.
http://www.ynhh.org/online/nutrition/advisor/chocolate.html

(the usual caveats with Wikipedia apply!)

I have half a 'square' (5g) of 85% cocoa chocolate per day, and I'm
just beginning to experiment with cocoa in low-fat milk with a
sweetener. From what I read on the label, the cocoa powder (Cadbury's,
UK) has about half the fat content of chocolate, i.e. they've removed
much of the cocoa butter for use in chocolate proper.

But I have to be careful as too much chocolate gives me a migraine.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 05 Mar 2008 03:50 GMT
Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword

> Eat chocolate and get healthy - unprocessed chocolate without
> fillers, waxes, preservatives -  Extremely high in antioxidants,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> www.chocolatehealthdiet.com.
> Blessings and good health,
morris - 07 Mar 2008 08:59 GMT
FWIW, and kind of  humorous in many aspects
http://seventypercent.com/home.asp
the chocolate  connossuer's web site.

For example check out the reviews of bars from around the world by
viewers like you (if you happen to be a wine reviewer), with all kinds
of attention paid to the first impression, the aroma and sound
released by cracking the chocolate, the flavors, the undertones, the
hints of....., the aftertaste, and the ratings--86 for Endangered
Species! Which Lindt bar restores their reputation? How do bars made
with beans from different countries compare?

It's a whole other world out there...

Morris

On Mar 4, 9:39 am, CHOCOLATE LOVER <i...@chocolatehealthdiet.com>
wrote:
> Eat chocolate and get healthy - unprocessed chocolate without
> fillers, waxes, preservatives -  Extremely high in antioxidants,
> caffeine free, low sugar, with acai berry.  Diabetic Friendly.
> AND have a home-based business building cash flow.
> For more information.write or go to our website atwww.chocolatehealthdiet.com.
> Blessings and good health,
 
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