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Quentin Grady - 04 Mar 2008 07:25 GMT
G'day G'day Folks,

While looking for a table we created here on ASD to ensure folks could
assess whether they were getting enough zeaxanthin to protect their
fine vision, I came across this post I made.  

Sometimes it takes a bit of effort to get information into a form that
is simple to use.  Hopefully it is worth it.

The idea is eat one serving from each of the four categories to supply
sufficient carotenoids, the yellow, orange or red stuff in fruit or
vegetables that protects important things like eyes and arteries.
If you have excess fat you will need more because some will dissolve
in the fat and be diverted away from where it is really needed.

Of course each category will contain some carotenoids from other
categories.  The assumption is that one will do the whole thing.

Category 1              Amount           Available
Lutein (6 mg)            to eat                carb
Item                                g                  g
Spinach, cooked              90                1
Spinach, raw                    30                0
Kale, cooked                    65                4
Kale, raw                          65                5
Turnip greens, cooked      70                1
Turnip greens, raw            55                2
Beet greens, cooked         70                 0
Beet greens, raw               40                 2
Broccoli, cooked            310                 5
Broccoli, raw                  265               11

Category 2                 Amount         Available
Lycopene (10 mg)        to eat           carb
Item                                g                 g
Tomatoes, raw               370               8
Tomatoes, canned          180               6
Tomato juice                  120               5
Tomato sauce                 125               7
Spaghetti sauce               125             16
Ketchup                           60              15

Category 3                 Amount    Available
Zeaxanthin (0.6 mg)     to eat     carb
Item                                  g              g
Corn, canned                   190           32
Corn, fresh                      125  
Corn, frozen                    125            21
Corn, on the cob              115            22
Cornmeal                          95             66
Orange peppers               180               5
Tangerines                       170             20
Mandarin oranges            190              22
Persimmons                     170             25

Category 4                  Amount    Available
Beta-carotene (11 mg)   to eat         carb
Item                                 g                 g
Apricots, raw                 105              10
Apricots, canned            130                6
Carrots, raw                   120                8
Carrots, cooked               80                4
Cantaloupe, raw              135              10
Pumpkin, raw                  115               7
Pumpkin, canned             120               6
Sweet potatoes, cooked   165             25

Hints on interpreting the table.  
 The smaller the number the better.
 Eat widely and you'll eat wisely.  

Original carotenoid data is from Table 2.
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/10/3117/

Grams of available carbohydrate were calculated from USDA figures.

My table has some shortcomings.  

No allowance has been made for differences in glycemic index.  The
carb content is so low for most greens that participants in trials are
unwilling to eat enough to get 50 grams of carbs. I assume most T1s
don't bother with glycemic index anyway when calculating insulin
dosage.

Interestingly, when vegetables are cooked they often lose some
carbohydrate but glycemic index increases markedly.  

A simple, viable, rough rule for T2s is to take available carb as what
ends up pushing up post prandial levels for cooked foods.
Use HALF or a THIRD the figure quoted for raw foods.  

Best wishes,
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Màck©® - 04 Mar 2008 23:23 GMT
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>Cornmeal                          95             66
>Orange peppers               180               5

what kind of peppers? hot or bell peppers?

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>Tangerines                       170             20
>Mandarin oranges            190              22
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Tiger_Lily - 04 Mar 2008 23:56 GMT
>> G'day G'day Folks,
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> what kind of peppers? hot or bell peppers?

orange bell peppers (capsacium? to Quentin)
Quentin Grady - 16 Mar 2008 10:29 GMT
>orange bell peppers (capsacium? to Quentin)

G'day G'day Kate,

 Large bell peppers as big as a fist and bright, bright orange.  

While the word capsicum applies to any member of the family, hot or
sweet we commonly reserve the word for the sweet bell peppers.

Even among the bell peppers there are ultra sweet ones for salads and
non-hot ones for cooking.  The ultra sweet bell peppers are known here
by their varietal name Neptune or as salad peppers. Orcona sell them.

Most of the commercial bell peppers will have been bred in the USA.

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Wes Groleau - 16 Mar 2008 22:19 GMT
>> what kind of peppers? hot or bell peppers?
>>
> orange bell peppers (capsacium? to Quentin)

I have to remember what is meant sometimes.
In California, I learned to equate Capsicum
with Cayenne (which also has health benefits).

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Quentin Grady - 16 Mar 2008 10:17 GMT
>>Category 3                 Amount    Available
>>Zeaxanthin (0.6 mg)     to eat     carb
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>what kind of peppers? hot or bell peppers?

G'day G'day Mack,

  This refers to the orange bell peppers.  They are in season at the
local Farmers' Market at the moment.  There is plenty of competition
so the prices are very reasonable.

While its none of my business I'm disinclined to believe you'd attempt
180 grams of hot peppers so you'd be regarding peppers as bad source
if hot peppers were required.  

For T2 diabetics orange bell peppers are an ideal source of zeaxanthin
thanks to their low carbohydrate content.  It allows more flexibility
in the diet. One can have other foods that contain carbohydrate if one
wants or needs.  

Naturally they provide other benefits such as vitamin C.

Best wishes,
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Mar 2008 13:09 GMT
32 ounces of food per day (Exodus 16:16).

Truth is simple.

It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

May the following parable help promote understanding if you are wise
and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

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