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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008ACV
Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found some at the store with added vitamins and Gymenena Sylvestre (probably useless but harmless). I will try these until the plain ACV that I ordered last night arrives. I will report back my findings on these things. They do say to take after eating and an hour after taking any meds. I am hoping they might also help with my GERD. Just a warning though. Don't do what I did and put the pill in your mouth without first having a drink in front of it. Silly me. Thought I got a drink and did not. Eeeeew. Bad taste. Blech! If you exercise after taking it you will sweat vinagar..lol..very stinky! KROM > Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider > Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > put the pill in your mouth without first having a drink in front of it. > Silly me. Thought I got a drink and did not. Eeeeew. Bad taste. Blech! > Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider > Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in your mouth without first having a drink in front of it. Silly me. > Thought I got a drink and did not. Eeeeew. Bad taste. Blech! I started one week ago. It made a big difference for 5 days, but seemed to have tapered off and I am back to mt previous FBG levels. But something changed during those 5 days. Could it be the body just gets used to it ? >> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider >> Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found >> some at the store with added vitamins and Gymenena Sylvestre (probably >> useless but harmless). I will try these until the plain ACV that I ordered >> last night arrives. >I started one week ago. It made a big difference for 5 days, but seemed >to have tapered off and I am back to mt previous FBG levels. But >something changed during those 5 days. Could it be the body just gets >used to it ? I wonder if a pill every two or even 3 days might be better? Or maybe drinking a shot with your breakfast? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > >> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider > >> Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I started a week ago, first 5 days were amazing 6.8 (regular) down to 5.8, 5.4, 4.9, 5.8, 5.6 Then I had an accident, hurt hand, knee and back. Some major swelling. Post accident the numbers were 6.9, 7.0, 6.9, more in line with previous numbers I don't know if the tablets stopped working, if the accident had an impact or if something else last week caused the good numbers. I am trying to figure this out. One difference is last week, during the good numbers, I was painting my condo 3 hours every night. Maybe the moderate effort made a difference ? I will continue to experiment. Someone else made a comment they work for her as well. By the way, I take the ACV tablets with a slice of cheese before bed. There was a study that showed a 6% drop in FBG with this 'formula' >> >> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple >> >> Cider [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > By the way, I take the ACV tablets with a slice of cheese before bed. > There was a study that showed a 6% drop in FBG with this 'formula' I went back through my log and noticed that I was having a piece of dark chocolate the night before with the ACV tablets and a glass of wine. It seems the night before it worked I was doing chocolate + wine + ACV + cheese in the last hour before bed. The last 3 days, where I went back to my regular bad numbers, I did not have the chocolate Do you believe chocolate could make a difference or did I just have a good liver week ? Do many T2s have 'good weeks' now and then or should I be trying to find the thing that made the difference ? >I went back through my log and noticed that I was having a piece of dark >chocolate the night before with the ACV tablets and a glass of wine. It [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Do many T2s have 'good weeks' now and then or should I be trying to find the >thing that made the difference ? In your case there were too many variables. It could be "all of the above"; good numbers from the exercise while painting, bad numbers during the injury-induced infection, good numbers resulting from the bedtime snack, but so many items in the snack it's impossible to say which helped or if it was the combination. The only way to be sure is to test one thing at a time. I don't recommend re-testing the injury effects:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: The Quality of ADA Dietary Advice Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I can narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm going to reproduce the sum of the ingredients that were successful and then eliminate them one by one. I hope I can. I hope I can reproduce those good numbers again My question is does this happen to T2s where they just have a random 'good week' now and then ? >>I went back through my log and noticed that I was having a piece of dark >>chocolate the night before with the ACV tablets and a glass of wine. It [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Latest: The Quality of ADA Dietary Advice >Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I can >narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm going to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >My question is does this happen to T2s where they just have a random 'good >week' now and then ? One of the few things we can guarantee is that every so often you will get weird numbers for a period that seem unexplainable. More often they are bad rather than good. After we've checked for the obvious, such as washing our hands and testing again or checking that the meter is coded correctly after opening a fresh container of test strips, sometimes it seems inexplicable. In my own case, when that has happened, I usually discover a few days later that I've got a cold or flu or something similar. At others I can relate it back to a day or two prior when I had good numbers on the day but ate well but not wisely and my system seems unbalanced for a few days after that. I do tend to advise newbies to concentrate on those immediate post-prandial numbers but I feel that there is also a long-term cumulative effect from good and bad eating habits. But sometimes it's just inexplicably bad or good. So I put those days down to experience and get on with the next day. And over time, those odd occasions occur less and less. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: The Quality of ADA Dietary Advice The one thing about me is I write everything down...what I ate, time, time of excercise, weight, how much water I drank....Hopefully I will be able to replicate the good numbers. If not, I'll just pray a little harder. Be sure of one thing, if I figure something out, I will share it. I appreciate people helping people and hopefully I can do the same at one point. >>Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I >>can [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Latest: The Quality of ADA Dietary Advice > Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I > can narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My question is does this happen to T2s where they just have a random 'good > week' now and then ? Happens to me! >> Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I >> can narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Happens to me! Adding the chocolate didn't help. So tonight I'm going to add the chocolate and paint a room, which is that 3 hours of activity I was doing the last time it worked :-) >>> Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I >>> can narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So tonight I'm going to add the chocolate and paint a room, which is that > 3 hours of activity I was doing the last time it worked :-) The activity is probably what did it. I was so hopeful that eating chocolate would just make it go away :-) >>>> Thank you Alan, completely agree. I will try to experiment and see if I >>>> can narrow it down. It may be a combo of ACV and Choco. So I think I'm [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The activity is probably what did it. : Adding the chocolate didn't help. : So tonight I'm going to add the chocolate and paint a room, which is that 3 : hours of activity I was doing the last time it worked :-) When you finsish you houase, woudl ou like to come and stay with us adn paint our roms? We would be glad to provide you with the exercise:-) Wendy > : Adding the chocolate didn't help. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wendy Come over & do my place & I'll also throw in the chocolate! :-) bj I have a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing there are so many people that want to solve my FBG ;-) >> : Adding the chocolate didn't help. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > :-) > bj >> : Adding the chocolate didn't help. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Come over & do my place & I'll also throw in the chocolate! >:-) And some wine :D Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >Then I had an accident, hurt hand, knee and back. Some major swelling. >Post accident the numbers were 6.9, 7.0, 6.9, more in line with >previous numbers Ah! I wouldn't be surprised if that was the difference. But I wouldn't underestimate the power of chocolate either :P Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider >>> Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I wonder if a pill every two or even 3 days might be better? Or maybe > drinking a shot with your breakfast? I wouldn't want to drink it. And it says to wait an hour after taking meds and to take after eating. So far no difference in BG for me, but it does seem to give me more energy. >> I wonder if a pill every two or even 3 days might be >> better? Or maybe >> drinking a shot with your breakfast? Sorta depends on what the shot consists of. Julie Bove wrote in message ... >I wouldn't want to drink it. And it says to wait an hour after taking meds >and to take after eating. So far no difference in BG for me, but it does >seem to give me more energy. I like it that way, and I do use a shot glass for the measurment. I also add a little NoSalt. In the summer I like it with a packet of equal, in water, with ice. Definitely an acquired taste I think. Cheri >>>> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider >>>> Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and to take after eating. So far no difference in BG for me, but it does >seem to give me more energy. Be a bit careful how you drink it, mother swigged some down neat and undiluted, which made her cough and get it into her lungs. Paramedics, ambulance, oxygen and a major panic ensued . . . >>>>> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple >>>>> Cider [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > undiluted, which made her cough and get it into her lungs. Paramedics, > ambulance, oxygen and a major panic ensued . . . Lovely! I kind of think my mom used to drink it mixed with honey and water. Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when you can take it in a pill? >Lovely! I kind of think my mom used to drink it mixed with honey and water. >Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when you can >take it in a pill? Ah, Apple Cider Vinegar! Sorry, penny drops. I actually rather like it simply diluted with water, and I'd MUCH rather drink it than take a pill - too much extra processing for my liking. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Nicky said... >>Lovely! I kind of think my mom used to drink it mixed with honey and >>water. Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 NODS to Nicky! It's supposedly a tried and true blood pressure rememdy (1 tablespoon daily). Keep that in mind, folks. Andy  SignatureT2 HBP Gout :) > Nicky said... >>>Lovely! I kind of think my mom used to drink it mixed with honey and >>>water. Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> simply diluted with water, and I'd MUCH rather drink it than take a >> pill - too much extra processing for my liking. > NODS to Nicky! > It's supposedly a tried and true blood pressure rememdy (1 tablespoon > daily). Keep that in mind, folks. Is that the American tablespoon, or the British one (which is twice the size)? SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >> Nicky said... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Is that the American tablespoon, or the British one (which is twice > the size)? Jeepers! Even your spoons are different sizes? "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message > Jeepers! Even your spoons are different sizes? Nah, yours are :) On 3/8/08 12:29 AM, in article 13t4jfk4p129t08@news.supernews.com, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: > "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> Jeepers! Even your spoons are different sizes? > > Nah, yours are :) Hi, Guys. How many milliliters to a tablespoon? In Canada it is 15ml. I have always used British tablespoons as the same as ours. I know the British cup is 10 oz. and the US is 8oz. (Sorry for mixing systems but I am not too smart. (Especially today.)) It can be confusing to be Canadian---stuck between two systems! SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > On 3/8/08 12:29 AM, in article 13t4jfk4p129t08@news.supernews.com, "Ozgirl" > <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > smart. (Especially today.)) It can be confusing to be Canadian---stuck > between two systems! Even more confusing here I have 2 recent Australian cookbooks one says standard tablespoon is 15ml the other says standard tablespoon is 20ml, toss a coin. :-) (- -) =m=(_)=m= RodS T2 Australia "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message > Even more confusing here I have 2 recent Australian cookbooks one says > standard tablespoon is 15ml the other says standard tablespoon is 20ml, > toss a coin. :-) Interesting I have always been told it is 20 ml, or 4 X 5ml teaspoons. Maybe yours are Queensland measurements ;) > "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message >> Even more confusing here I have 2 recent Australian cookbooks one says >> standard tablespoon is 15ml the other says standard tablespoon is 20ml, >> toss a coin. :-) > Interesting I have always been told it is 20 ml, or 4 X 5ml teaspoons. Maybe > yours are Queensland measurements ;) I went to my cutlery drawer and did some experiments. I selected spoons which were the oldest and most conventional in design, like those my grandparents used. A dessert or soup spoon was about three teaspoons. A tablespoon was about two soup spoons. A large serving spoon was about two tablespoons. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >> "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >three teaspoons. A tablespoon was about two soup spoons. A large >serving spoon was about two tablespoons. Interesting, I always worked on the basis that a (UK) dessert spoon was two teaspoons (teaspoon = 5ml) and a table spoon was 2 dessert spoons. but I never bothered to measure them. These aren;t Texan spoons? >> "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >three teaspoons. A tablespoon was about two soup spoons. A large >serving spoon was about two tablespoons. The problem with doing that is that the spoons you use for various things are not "measuring spoons". Teaspoons or tablespoons when spoken of as a measure, are fixed sizes. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) >>> "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>three teaspoons. A tablespoon was about two soup spoons. A large >>serving spoon was about two tablespoons. > The problem with doing that is that the spoons you use for various > things are not "measuring spoons". Teaspoons or tablespoons when > spoken of as a measure, are fixed sizes. The problem is that the fixed sizes are nation-dependent. As it happens I also have two sets of kitchen measuring spoons. They try to get round the spoon variation problem by having their sizes engraved as fractions of a cup. Unfortunately one set is based on the US cup measure, and the other the UK cup :-) Wouldn't it be nice if someone invented food volume and weight measurements with an internationally agreed scientific foundation, instead of all these ad hoc measurements based on national kitchen utensils? :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > On 3/8/08 12:29 AM, in article 13t4jfk4p129t08@news.supernews.com, > "Ozgirl" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > smart. (Especially today.)) It can be confusing to be Canadian---stuck > between two systems! No clue. >On 3/8/08 12:29 AM, in article 13t4jfk4p129t08@news.supernews.com, "Ozgirl" ><are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >smart. (Especially today.)) It can be confusing to be Canadian---stuck >between two systems! UK - 5ml tsp; 15ml tbls. We also have different cup sizes within the country, I think - mine has 25cl printed on it. Makes recipe conversion interesting, doesn't it! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > UK - 5ml tsp; 15ml tbls. That does seem to be the modern UK standard. I'm an old old-fashioned guy who grew up in an old fashioned family, and I still have the old fashioned British tablespoons which are serving spoons used on the table to serve onto plates from the serving dishes and are twice that size. 15ml spoons I call dessert or soup spoons depending on shape. These days most people don't serve at the table so table spoons of that kind are no longer part of standard table and kitchen cutlery. I didn't realise I was such an antique until I looked up table spoons on the web :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:29:30 +1100 in Msg.# <13t4jfk4p129t08@news.supernews.com>, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: > "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message > > > Jeepers! Even your spoons are different sizes? > > Nah, yours are :) There is no spoon, Neo. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhlI7BzRO3E "I would rather die a thousand deaths than to see my mother's dress on that spoiled, selfish cow!" - Danielle, EVER AFTER : > Nicky said... : >>>Lovely! I kind of think my mom used to drink it mixed with honey and : >>>water. Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : >> simply diluted with water, and I'd MUCH rather drink it than take a : >> pill - too much extra processing for my liking. : > NODS to Nicky! : > It's supposedly a tried and true blood pressure rememdy (1 tablespoon : > daily). Keep that in mind, folks. : Is that the American tablespoon, or the British one (which is twice : the size)? I did not know that the British one was 6 of our teaspoonsful. A US tablespoon is one liquid ounce, which would be 1/16 of a US pint adn 1/20 of a British one. Wendy >> Be a bit careful how you drink it, mother swigged some down neat and >> undiluted, which made her cough and get it into her lungs. Paramedics, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Not for me. Despise honey and why bother to drink something when you can >take it in a pill? I'd never heard of the pills until just now but I knew it should be diluted with water at least. Yes ISTR an old (American) friend of my old man who swore by apple cider vinegar and honey as a general cure-all. I depise vinegar for some strange reason. Used to like honey though <sigh> >> Somebody here (can't remember who) said that they are taking Apple Cider >> Vinegar pills to lower their BG. I decided to give them a try. I found [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have tapered off and I am back to mt previous FBG levels. But something > changed during those 5 days. Could it be the body just gets used to it ? Hmmm... Thanks! |
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