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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2008WD 40???
I have been busy and here very little yesterday. But I did smile at the WD40 thing. At least it was fun and did no harm. I have continued to research my problem. Went thru Pub MED and related data banks. I did find that a common dry cleaning item was the standard treatment for hook worm external lesions around 1910. I think it was found to damage the liver in 1950's We used for cleaning up of electronic assemblies and they took it away from us. *************** The important thing here is that more people become aware of this problem. The doc seem to be very deficient on this problem. **************** Early in the game, a few pills will eliminate it. Later it is a big bear and you can get liver damage from the intensive treatment. I did not know these things existed until I was in horrible shape. But when I had the first clue, I started an intensive research effort. The results were discouraging seeing how I had been handled by a few docs. My arms looks like a moon scape. Very scarred. I was unable to sleep for a long period. A bit here and there. So a few think I am unfair with docs. At least one has a financial interest in the doc issue and does not count.. The posting is worthwhile if it helps one person. As far as the WD40 guesses. Keep guessing. At least it gets attention. convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote: > I have been busy and here very little yesterday. But > I did smile at the WD40 thing. At least it was fun and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > found to damage the liver in 1950's We used for cleaning up of > electronic assemblies and they took it away from us. It is likely that you are referring to carbon tetrachloride. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword >I have been busy and here very little yesterday. But >I did smile at the WD40 thing. At least it was fun and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >As far as the WD40 guesses. Keep guessing. At least it gets >attention. no that's ok. If I ever have that problem, I will go to the doctor. >>I have been busy and here very little yesterday. But >>I did smile at the WD40 thing. At least it was fun and [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >no that's ok. If I ever have that problem, I will go to the doctor. If you would have followed the issue you would know i saw about ten doctors. I was shocked by the ignorance, You must find the correct doctor. But here you are not allowed to complain about docs. Any one that even suspects parasite problems need to do a careful selection of a doc. You may not able to find the proper one. The real issue seems to be ignored here but my post on a $1.25 cure , which is relief, not a cure was a tongue in cheek thing seems to have caught attention. Next time a doc says to use soap and water be sure he is right. If he give you a pin worm dose of the proper drug, make sure he is right. Go to the i Internet and review the extensive data. My problem was really solved by a 70 old doc that spent adequate time and had faced the problem before. The problem is to cure a case that was ignored too long. There may be a message here somewhere. In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:55:32 -0600 in Msg.# > >no that's ok. If I ever have that problem, I will go to the doctor. No kidding! This is ASD, not Alt.Tease.Diabetics > If you would have followed the issue you would know i saw about ten > doctors. Right, I have followed it, in the many times you've posted about it without giving the data involved in the actual endstage. So, yes, I know you saw multiple docs. I would have guessed a dozen. > ... But here you are not allowed to complain about docs. Are you kidding?!!! People here complain about docs all the time. I know I have. I know others have. The only single person I have ever seen chastise people for doing so is Kurt. So, a minority of one here doesn't like it when people take issue with their medical care. Let's don't put that on the majority! > Any one that even suspects parasite problems need to do a careful > selection of a doc. You may not able to find the proper one. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > There may be a message here somewhere. IOW, if you have this problem, go through what I went through, on your own. Tough luck, toots.  SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUKDMNZIox0 "You can be up to your boobies in white satin, with gardenias in your hair & no sugar cane for miles, but you can still be working on a plantation." - Billie Holiday On Feb 26, 4:05�pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote: > In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:55:32 -0600 in Msg.# > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > people take issue with their medical care. Let's don't put that on the > majority! There have been others here besides just me that feel there are a vocal few who spend way too much time doctor bashing. I don't chastise people for complaining about their doc, but I do defend the medical profession in general against what I consider the conspiracy theories and the mean spirited attacks that a few seem to preach from their bully pulpit. It's as if they are trying to undermine doctors so that the more gullible here will turn to them for their diabetes diagnosis and treatment. If a person has a negative experience with a doctor they should find another doctor. IMO, most doctors are caring professionals who, despite popular thinking in this newsgroup, know more about the human body than we do. The problem with many of the disparaging remarks I read here is that we never get to hear the doctor's POV. And I believe that when it comes to most stories, there are always two sides. Kurt In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0800 (PST) in Msg.# <29ad7d3f-a6c2-4b49-901b-af89413ebe75@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com>, Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 4:05?pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > There have been others here besides just me that feel there are a > vocal few who spend way too much time doctor bashing. Okay, perhaps I have missed their comments or simply aren't thinking of them. Who, for example? If you can recall, I mean. If you cannot, I take you at your word that there are others. Would you agree that it still remains a minority here? Would you agree that this is not some place where people 'are not allowed to complain about docs'? > ... And I believe that when it comes to most stories, there > are always two sides. I can certainly agree with that although I would add that often there are more than just two sides. Obviously there are things that you think about people in this NG that I don't agree with. I deleted them, without comment, other than this, simply to note that they still exist between us. It's not a problem to disagree. However, I am tired of people here judging each other. This is supposed to be a support newsgroup. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUKDMNZIox0 "Yes, each new day in suburbia brings with it a new set of lies. The worst are the ones we tell ourselves before we fall asleep. We whisper them in the dark, telling ourselves we're happy or that he's happy, that we can change or that he will change his mind. We persuade ourselves we can live with our sins or that we can live without him. Yes, each night before we fall asleep we lie to ourselves in the desperate, desperate hope that come morning it will all be true." - Mary Alice, DH, 'Impossible,' 2-20-05 >Okay, perhaps I have missed their comments or simply aren't thinking of >them. Who, for example? If you can recall, I mean. He never can and he never provides evidence or links. Just statements of his belief. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: ACCORD, Foxes and Grapes >On Feb 26, 4:05?pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Kurt you defend an institution from having it's feelings hurt for the actions of it's members. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >On Feb 26, 4:05?pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Kurt Kurt, I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get a lot of training in an extended period of time. Most are taught to observe high ethics. That was almost always true when I was young. The doc was regarded as almost gods and most deserved that respect Today I frequently get shocks I think it may be due to the time limits but I am not sure that it is proper. I do believe unlimited respect is a recipe to a disaster. The statement about "what is Ceaser's" still applies. The world ratings of medical care still applies. You know who can do something about it is the docs themselves. I suspect some mandatory periodical training is a must. Years ago, when as a student i did audio visual work and observed a lot about ethics. I do know being a doc is tough. As a pilot I was only allowed a certain number of hours of work. I do know the AMA used to work hard to limit the doctor--patient ratio. Limit the number of docs We do need to assure docs of proper income and start paying for all medical training. That is the community obligation.. The medical profession should be far removed from the used car operations. I am placing my life in their hands. As we see it is very hard to remove titles. >Kurt, I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get >a lot of training in an extended period of time. Most are taught >to observe high ethics. only 1 of the three statements above are true. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . On Feb 26, 6:32�pm, M�ck�� <I...@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > >Kurt, I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get > >a lot of training in an extended period of time. �Most are taught > >to observe high ethics. > > only 1 of the three statements above are true. Only in your uneducated opinion. However, that's never stopped you before from making declarative statements as if they were fact. But thanks for proving my point that the loudest jackasses here are the one's who bash doctors the most. Kurt In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:38:14 -0800 (PST) in Msg.# <672df410-e4f0-4f7f-9f3c-e9de1bcc5850@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 6:32?pm, M?ck?? <I...@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > > >Kurt, I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > But thanks for proving my point that the loudest jackasses here are > the one's who bash doctors the most. I would seriously doubt that anyone could prove or that most would even assert at this point that candidates for med school are carefully picked. ??? It has mostly to do with how many slots there are, how people are ranked on standardized tests - and we all know what an excellent job they do of actually evaluating people - and where you went to school! And, they take classes that have to do with ethics, with the law, etc. but it's skewed according to what may be going on in their industry with malpractice, etc. They're not per se training grounds for observing high ethics. That's one of the reasons you get such a wide range of applications of those 'ethics' classes. It's not a study of pure ethics, but instead it's a study of current medical ethics, IOW, whatever is the industry standard, which is no better nor worse than any training in any industry about what can get you sued & what cannot. Doctors are not gods or better people than the rest of us nor have they been trained to be so. They're just ordinary people, who cut class just like anyone else did sometimes, who have received many many hours of specialized training, which becomes out of date by the day they get their degree, who have an inordinate amount of power. Some wield that power for good, to whatever capability they can manage. Others do not. And, Mack's one of the last people here who I would find to be uneducated. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUKDMNZIox0 "You *didn't* spend your Spring Break with Bill Moyers!" - Lorelai Gilmore, aghast that Rory & Paris were watching "The Power of Myth" instead of getting tanned, drunk or tattooed in Fort Lauderdale, FL, Gilmore Girls 4/13/04 > I would seriously doubt that anyone could prove or that most would even > assert at this point that candidates for med school are carefully picked. They are; 1. Academic results, 2. daddy or mummy is already a doctor, 3. stacks of money to pay for the course, 4. prior study in the field were the four that I remember being te new criteria for a news med school a few years ago. > And, they take classes that have to do with ethics, with the law, etc. but Frankly, lucky to be 30minutes in their decade of training. >On Feb 26, 6:32?pm, M?ck?? <I...@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: >> >Kurt, I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Kurt and you have shown no proof that what I wrote, without any sort of volume (your voices are causing you problems again) is in anyway wrong. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > I don't >chastise people for complaining about their doc, but I do defend the >medical profession in general against what I consider the conspiracy >theories and the mean spirited attacks that a few seem to preach from >their bully pulpit. Why? Why is that your mission? They have the AMA and a whole lot of lawyers for that so why have you made it your aim in life to be the self-appointed defender of the all doctors regardless of competence, AMA and ADA here? Incidentally, it's a strawman attack anyway. Apart from Bill, who you just praised, I haven't noticed any "conspiracy theories and the mean spirited attacks" on doctors here. If so, provide links to those threads please. Here are some of Bill's excellent views on doctors and dieticians, just to remind you. One of the rare moments today when he and I are in agreement. "My dietician is clueless about diabetes. She thinks I should be eating lots of carbs and hold my calorie intake down to 1800 per day (yeah right, like I think 1800 is high)." later: "My dietician is only concern about be dropping 20 lbs (and I weigh 230 lbs and I am 6'1"). Dropping down to 210 lbs doesn't bother me so much (and I am not going to make it at the end of this month), it is just she don't seem to know much about diabetes that bothers me the most." later: " But I believe they... well as what you said in the beginning. "Bill, a good half of my own personal experience with the medical community nearly killed me. The other half helped me escape from them. There's no scientific community that has discovered everything yet." I currently see almost everything they have done for me as mostly negative. I was sick when I was 4 years old that they might have actually saved my life. I don't recall it, but I have been told the odds were I was going to die. I believe it was Scarlet Fever, Yellow Fever, or something like that. Does that sound right in the 60's or late 50's? Anyway I lived and I can't think of a single thing since then that I can be thankful of medical science. Well Omeprazole (aka Prilosec) has been a godsend since the 90's. And maybe insulin has saved my butt in the far future. I am not too sure. As it has been so a double edge thing. I mean stopping me from going too high is a very good thing (and the need for beer has basically stopped). Although the lows that comes with it has been just horrible." Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: ACCORD, Foxes and Grapes > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0800 (PST), Kurt > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > life to be the self-appointed defender of the all doctors > regardless of competence, AMA and ADA here? Probably for the same reason you and a few others seem to make it your mission to discourage people from listening to their doctors or the ADA and following your amateur advice instead. Although, I wouldn't call mine a mission and "aim in life" as much as trying to provide some balance. Now that I've answered your question perhaps you will answer one for me. Why are you so opposed to anyone offering an alternative opinion to yours? Especially considering the fact that you have so many kindred spirits echoing your ideals. Certainly your side is more than represented. Kurt >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0800 (PST), Kurt >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Kurt Show me a case where I was opposed to anyone offering an alternative opinion to mine. I may have debated their opinion, or disagreed with it, or even hotly disputed it. At some times I may mention it is inappropriate in context (such as in the newby thread today) but I have no problem with them offering it. And sometimes the alternative opinion was presented well enough for me to change my own opinion. I exclude scammers and spammers from that. Rather the reverse. One reason I prefer usenet is that our anarchy is also our strength. These days I probably post as much on the ADA boards and Yahoo groups and others as I do here but I have to bite my tongue or couch replies in diplomatic terms when someone comes on and states something idiotic (If you're reading here Bob, you know what I mean). I just posted the link to Taubes "Big Fat Lies" video. That should be an interesting thread. Or I thought it would be - two hours and no response yet:-( http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=22765.1&webtag=adatype2 On usenet I can call a twit like you a twit and no-one will eject me. And you can come back and give your opinion of me without anyone ejecting you. So if I oppose you or vice versa then others can see the debate and form their own opinions of the validity of each side's argument. That is a quite different situation to being opposed to alternative opinions being offered. In a moderated group then censorship, no matter how benign, is present; here it is not unless you break ISP TOS and even then it doesn't stop the spammers and ABC. That gives honesty, and that is more important when contentious statements are made. Because here someone will respond asking for cites, references or cogent argument as to why they make the claims they do. And many of us learn from those strong arguments, especially when the more learned people like Frank or Quentin or Gys or Chris or so many others start debating matters. I've yet to see a cite from you apart from your tedious post-officing of ADA news. Including a cite to support your comment. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: ACCORD, Foxes and Grapes > I just posted the link to Taubes "Big Fat Lies" video. That > should be an interesting thread. Or I thought it would be - > two hours and no response yet:-( Is this avaialbe in text? (Have better things to do than download videos). >> I just posted the link to Taubes "Big Fat Lies" video. That >> should be an interesting thread. Or I thought it would be - >> two hours and no response yet:-( > Is this avaialbe in text? > (Have better things to do than download videos). He's written a good book about it :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >> I just posted the link to Taubes "Big Fat Lies" video. That >> should be an interesting thread. Or I thought it would be - >> two hours and no response yet:-( > >Is this avaialbe in text? >(Have better things to do than download videos). Sometimes, it's worth spending an hour. However. A version in the NYT six years back, so the video is later and updated: http://tinyurl.com/b7myu or http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754 C0A9649C8B63 And there is his book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" but that will take a little more than an hour. Think days:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes > Sometimes, it's worth spending an hour. However. The NYT articles took far less. > A version in the NYT six years back, so the video is later > and updated: http://tinyurl.com/b7myu or > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754 C0A9649C8B63 Thanks. Good reminder of stuff I'd read but forgotten. > And there is [Taubes'] book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" but that > will take a little more than an hour. Think days:-) Worth every minute of it, and every bit of effort it takes. This is an extraordinary book. I recommend it highly. Adam Becker Sr : > And there is [Taubes'] book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" but that : > will take a little more than an hour. Think days:-) : Worth every minute of it, and every bit of effort it takes. This is : an extraordinary book. I recommend it highly. : Adam Becker Sr I agree. It was a very tough read fo rme, but much that I had to really work at to understand is staying with me. in addition, it is great mental exercise for an older diabetic(72) with not ots of scienc or chemestry background who wants to increase th flexibility of her brain:-) It really was learning new things for me, from physiology to biochem. Wendy > : > And there is [Taubes'] book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" but that > : > will take a little more than an hour. Think days:-) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wendy I too am finding it a slow read. I've been working on it about a month and I'm about 3/4 the way through. I spend a lot of time ruminating about what I've been reading... Vicki Now kurt thats a outright lie and i gotta call you on it.. never has anyone said dont listen to thier doctor..except of course if the advice given was very bad such as a GP giving bad DM info..or a diatician who is not a diabetic specialist and often not doctors at all giveng bad food choices to a diabetic...then its a persons duty to suggest they may wish to seek a different doctor or seek advice elsewhere....but there again they are saying see a different doctor..NOT listen to me and ignore all doctors. In almost every post by alan and others they give the disclaimer of what "works for me might not for you" ..so lets keep a bit of honesty here..these blanket claims about the group arent helpful nor are they remotely true. Most all i see bashing doctors arent bashing all doctors but relating a bad experience they personally had and then go on to say that they found a GOOD one most will say they love the current doctor and thier numbers speak volumes for thier success. Think of it like the catholic priest deal...sure theres many many great priests out there, but of course those hurt by the bad ones are going to be vocal about it. Would you then tell them they are wrong to complain about what they suffered because your priest is a great guy? I personally related how the GP in my clinic chastised the nurse for sending me to the ER with a fasting BG of 480..he claimed that i was probably not even sick...keep in mind i was sleeping 22 of 24 hours and nearly urinating myself and in terrible pain and covered in skin rashes.. The ER staff told me he was a idiot and that it was good i came in when i did. He then the next day acts confused when i asked about a meter and told me he doubts i will ever go below 200 or somthing like that..i was horrified and scared out of my mind..he also said i would be insulin dependant and if i was so all fired worried he would put me on it. Now i had some knowledge of diabetes from my mom and even my cat ..so it didnt ring tru to me that id never get under control and that over 200 was fine and why worry about it..so i asked if i should see a specialist and he shrugs and tells em to ask the nurse..i do and in the same bldg is my current doc a Diabetic specialist who i love..not because she <gasp> listens to me..but because she is current with all the latest info and was the first person to suggest it was possible to maintian non diabetic numbers. The GP's last cours on DM was 40 years ago in school..so yeah im not going to listen to him..but i did find sombody i trust and my numbers show the results. Kurt your so fired up to bash the group you come across alot worse then those you accuse..so ya might wish to rethink tone and making souch blanket statements just because theres 3 or 4 people in a group of hundreds you for whatever reason dislike. Jus my 2 copper coins KROM you and a few others seem to make it your mission to discourage people from listening to their doctors or the ADA and following your amateur advice instead. Krom, Ever since I've started reading and posting to this newsgroup there has been a central vocal core of people who attack and paint the medical profession with a broad stroke of incompetency. It's as if the professional medical association is some sort of evil empire and those who post here are Jedi knights who fight that evil with their mostly anectdotal offerings. Look at the website that was created by a few of these people. You will not find one link to professional organizations or legitimate sources for advice or methods. What you will find are links to amateur diabetes advice. I think that speaks volumes about the general attitude here. When a newbie enters this newsgroup, Alan will jump in and give them two links only - both put together by amateurs, and one of them a direct link to his blog. What's wrong with that picture? This "doctor's are bad, listen to us instead" feeling permeates the newsgroup like a bad stench. There have been others here who have smelled the strong odor and are mostly gone for good now and no doubt others who never bothered to stop. It's as faint as snobbery, and as strong as outright lies. The same can be said about the attacks and outright lies about the ADA. In the real world, most doctors and an organization like the ADA are heroes, in here they are villains. If you expect me to stop defending them against the lies and unwarranted attacks I can tell you, it ain't gonna happen. Because those kinds of misrepresetations easily become fact when said often enough. I realize I will never change the opinions of those who attack them, but hopefully some whose minds aren't made up yet will at least hear a differing point of view and not just assume that is the way it is. Surely you can't be so obtuse as to not see that my comment to Alan was in response to the broad swipe he took at me, which was a lie itself . Exaggerated to match his exaggeration. Yet you chose to get indignant about only what I wrote. Next time try looking at both sides of what you are responding to before being so quick to jump on the "discussion." I'd appreciate that. Kurt > Now kurt thats a outright lie and i gotta call you on it.. > never has anyone said dont listen to thier doctor..except of course if the [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > mission to discourage people from listening to their doctors or the > ADA and following your amateur advice instead. Kurt wrote in message <3b0c1490-1b02-478d-a246-391b70682ed2@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>... Krom, Ever since I've started reading and posting to this newsgroup there has been a central vocal core of people who attack and paint the medical profession with a broad stroke of incompetency. It's as if the professional medical association is some sort of evil empire and those who post here are Jedi knights who fight that evil with their mostly anectdotal offerings. Look at the website that was created by a few of these people. You will not find one link to professional organizations or legitimate sources for advice or methods. What you will find are links to amateur diabetes advice. I think that speaks volumes about the general attitude here. When a newbie enters this newsgroup, Alan will jump in and give them two links only - both put together by amateurs, and one of them a direct link to his blog. What's wrong with that picture? This "doctor's are bad, listen to us instead" feeling permeates the newsgroup like a bad stench. There have been others here who have smelled the strong odor and are mostly gone for good now and no doubt others who never bothered to stop. ********************* That might be your perception Kurt, but that feeling has never permeated my senses at all. People have shared their experiences with *some* doctors. As to your statement..."others who never bothered to stop" I just have to LMAO. If we're going to make things like that up, how about this...no doubt there are others who didn't bother to stop because they saw some posts cheering the ADA, and didn't like the stench or strong odor of the bullshit in those posts. Cheri > Kurt wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > because they saw some posts cheering the ADA, and didn't like the > stench or strong odor of the bullshit in those posts. I respect your opinion, Cheri and stand by my own. I'll leave it at that. Hope you have a good day. Mine is about to get very busy and I really should get up, up, and away from my computer.:) Kurt Kurt wrote in message <97951fe2-8ecc-4b4f-9567-10b6f1c15dd9@t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>... On Feb 27, 10:48�am, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Kurt wrote in message <3b0c1490-1b02-478d-a246-391b70682...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>... > Krom, > > Ever since I've started reading and posting to this newsgroup there > has been a central vocal core of people who attack and paint the > medical profession with a broad stroke of incompetency. �It's as if > the professional medical association is some sort of evil empire and > those who post here are Jedi knights who fight that evil with their > mostly anectdotal offerings. �Look at the website that was created by > a few of these people. �You will not find one link to professional > organizations or legitimate sources for advice or methods. �What you > will find are links to amateur diabetes advice. �I think that speaks > volumes about the general attitude here. �When a newbie enters this > newsgroup, Alan will jump in and give them two links only - both put > together by amateurs, and one of them a direct link to his blog. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > because they saw some posts cheering the ADA, and didn't like the > stench or strong odor of the bullshit in those posts. I respect your opinion, Cheri and stand by my own. I'll leave it at that. Hope you have a good day. Mine is about to get very busy and I really should get up, up, and away from my computer.:) Kurt ************* Yes, Kurt...I hope you have a good day too. I appreciate the fact that we can have differences of opinion and still be civil to each other with a little added humor here and there....In the meantime, we must join hands and stand against "junior" the usurper to the throne. ;-) Cheri > Kurt wrote in message > <3b0c1490-1b02-478d-a246-391b70682ed2@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > because they saw some posts cheering the ADA, and didn't like the > stench or strong odor of the bullshit in those posts. Exactly. I've been to some bad Drs. and I've been to some good ones. Really all it takes is one bad Dr. for you to start questioning every new Dr. you see. Might this one be bad too? Even when they seem to know what they are doing, you still might question them. I think that's a very normal reaction. That doesn't mean we think they are all bad but it DOES mean we don't just blindly trust people just because they are Drs. >That might be your perception Kurt, but that feeling has never >permeated my senses at all. People have shared their experiences with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >because they saw some posts cheering the ADA, and didn't like the >stench or strong odor of the bullshit in those posts. Yes well YOU actually read the newsgroup others use it in write-only mode > >That might be your perception Kurt, but that feeling has never > >permeated my senses at all. People have shared their experiences with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > others use it in write-only mode I read the newsgroup and 99% of the posts in it...even your "I've been away for a while so let me respond to everything that's been written in the past year" posts. Keep up the good work, at least your fingers are getting exercise. :) Kurt LOL..thats sigline material there! :-D KROM > Yes well YOU actually read the newsgroup > > others use it in write-only mode > When a newbie enters this >newsgroup, Alan will jump in and give them two links only - both put >together by amateurs, and one of them a direct link to his blog. >What's wrong with that picture? Good point. Amplify. What's wrong with that picture? Keep in mind that this appears in oversize red font at the top of every single page of my blog: "Ideas based on my personal experiences in learning how to manage type 2 diabetes. I stress that I am a diabetic, not a doctor nor a dietician. I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Nothing written here is intended as medical advice, and any ideas you may decide to use should be discussed first with your doctor." Also keep in mind that people usually come here AFTER they have seen their doctor and often their dietician. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes Seems to me a newly dx person would FIRST goto the ada website as its first up in any search and the most well known and what all the pamplets in the docs waitng room point ya too. I suspect what happens is people give what the doc and ada say to do and found a lack of success..why?..well as the ada admits to they give very lax advice for fear that people wont follow tight control or even make much if any change from thier pre dx ways of eating and living. So a few people seek somthing better and discover a greoup of people striving not for 7-8 a1c's but the goal of non diabetic numbers as much as possible..People who post the various ways they achieve this goal..be it diet or exerrcise or meds or a combo..and so yes by the time they discover this group they very well may have rejected the ADA standards for tight control and i see nothing wrong with that. The ADA serves those who need it and this groups serves those of us who need it and others will find thier help elswhere. Thats why i find it silly for people to mad that people make thier own choice as to what works for them. As long as we meet our goals thats all that matters. KROM >> When a newbie enters this >>newsgroup, Alan will jump in and give them two links only - both put [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes > Seems to me a newly dx person would FIRST goto the ada website as its > first up in any search and the most well known and what all the pamplets [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lax advice for fear that people wont follow tight control or even make > much if any change from thier pre dx ways of eating and living. Exactly. When I was first diagnosed with GD, I was given a bad photocopy of a diet plan and I couldn't make anything out. I had an appointment with a dietician but in the meantime I wanted to know what to do. So I did a search and the ADA website was one of the sites I found. I found it to be of no use to me whatever, nor were the cookbooks I got from them. > So a few people seek somthing better and discover a greoup of people > striving not for 7-8 a1c's but the goal of non diabetic numbers as much as > possible..People who post the various ways they achieve this goal..be it > diet or exerrcise or meds or a combo..and so yes by the time they discover > this group they very well may have rejected the ADA standards for tight > control and i see nothing wrong with that. Yes. > The ADA serves those who need it and this groups serves those of us who > need it and others will find thier help elswhere. Yes. > Thats why i find it silly for people to mad that people make thier own > choice as to what works for them. Exactly. > As long as we meet our goals thats all that matters. Our own personal goals. I believe this can be different for everyone and just because it's different doesn't make it wrong. krom wrote in message ... >I suspect what happens is people give what the doc and ada say to do and >found a lack of success..why?..well as the ada admits to they give very lax >advice for fear that people wont follow tight control or even make much if >any change from thier pre dx ways of eating and living. Yes, and I know many of them IRL, who know it's not working, toes being amputated etc., and still follow the same tired advice from dietitians using ADA guidelines, or their Doc said something ridiculous like under 200 is fine blah blah blah. Hell, all you have to do is look at who the "proud sponsors of the ADA" are, to know why it doesn't work for many. Cheir Hell, all you have > to do is look at who the "proud sponsors of the ADA" are, to know why > it doesn't work for many. It's as if the ADA is just an untaxed advertising arm of the drug, cereal and sugar manufacturers. I have some hopes for the ADA under Dr. Buse, but note with some chagrin that he's actually been on board in various capacities for quite some time, during some scandalously irresponsible years at the organization. Susan My sub to the mag is up in april...they called me everyday for a week ..with me saying i will re-sub when get to it and i dont do things over the phone..keep in mind i never gave them my phone number or permission to contact me. About the 7th time they called insisting i either resub now or make a donation i told em where to stick it and i will not be resubbing. idiots KROM > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan > krom wrote in message ... > >I suspect what happens is people give what the doc and ada say to do [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cheir So you're French now? :) Keirt Kurt wrote in message <928cfdbc-5be3-4880-b439- > Cheir So you're French now? :) Keirt LOL, thanks for the laugh. :-) Cheri >Seems to me a newly dx person would FIRST goto the ada website as its first >up in any search and the most well known and what all the pamplets in the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >As long as we meet our goals thats all that matters. Someone else who actually reads the ACTUAL group Current average A1c is what? About 9? Current average A1c *here* can't be far above 6, even including the Type 1s with hypo problems and the newbies. Current rate of *drop* of A1cs here is little short of astonishing, just read the posts of newbie after newbie over the last few years. Number of people who have NOT improved their numbers (not just the A1c but for Type 2s the lipids and BP) by following suggestions here over professional recommendations from the ADA, DUK and less clueful doctors = 1 Right this groups results and mine personally for that matter speaks volumes to the success of the groups ideals of tight control..healthy eating and exercise. Why the "professional" organisations cant suck it up and just let those who dont wish to be healthybe mad at them rather then giving into the pressure of giving the most lax advice because "people wont stick to it". Even if thats true that people wont comply..there point should be to push people to TRY! Nobody here is saying you must follow any one plan but to strive to find what WORKS for the person. I have read the ada mag and website a year solid now and rarely do i see them give anything but the same old advice...altho they are changing some which is good..but for me this group did me and still does..the most good for being healthy. KROM >>Seems to me a newly dx person would FIRST goto the ada website as its >>first [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > professional recommendations from the ADA, DUK and less clueful > doctors = 1 > In the real world, most doctors and an organization like the > ADA are heroes, in here they are villains. Neither hero nor villain. Just misguided in certain areas and passing on that poor guidance. You might find it illuminating to browse through some of the rather surprising (to me) responses to my "Big Fat Lies" post on the ADA forum. http://tinyurl.com/3d6gan or http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=adatype 2&tid=22765 In the real world. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes >>In the real world, most doctors and an organization like the >>ADA are heroes, in here they are villains. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > post on the ADA forum. http://tinyurl.com/3d6gan or > http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=adatype 2&tid=22765 I took a look at the responses. The people are at different points of the learning curve, but they seemed receptive to Taubes point of view as much as they were able to understand it. It was worth the few minutes it took to read the responses. Frank >>>In the real world, most doctors and an organization like the >>>ADA are heroes, in here they are villains. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Frank I've been there for a while now. I've forgotten when I started but I must admit to going with an attitude. Bob, the moderator, lurks here occasionally and he would remember. Yes, at that time I did find a preponderance of people believing in "low-fat high-carb" and "do what I'm told by the dietician" and test occasionally; but I also found several with more open minds than I expected. Including the moderator and a few who post here (hi Morris:-). That was just under 2000 posts ago in the type 2 forum and a little over 600 in the newly diagnosed forum. The majority of those posts were pretty much as Kurt complains of here - advising folks to test, test, test in one form or another. The responses you saw are not the ones I would have expected back when I arrived there. That's gratifying to me, even if I had nothing to do with it and it just reflects the changes in the real world. Annette used to tell me to keep chipping away at the wall. She would sign off emails to me with chip, chip, chip. So I'll keep chipping:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes On Feb 27, 10:09�pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> > Yes, at that time I did find a preponderance of people > believing in "low-fat high-carb" and "do what I'm told by > the dietician" and test occasionally; but I also found > several with more open minds This is the kind of misrepresentation you post here all the time. There are hundreds of studies and many years of research that shows eating less fat is healthier. As far as you describing something as "high carb" that could be as little as 100-125 carbs per day so that is another misrepresentation on your part. What most are advised to follow is a lower-fat, lower calorie, and moderate carbohydrate diet. Also, since you left exercise out of the equation as usual, that is also part of what medical professionals say is an important part of good health. Your description of the diet and the people you think are wrong because they listen to medical experts is just one example of what I think goes on in here by you and others. Kurt >On Feb 27, 10:09?pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Kurt Politely as I can Kurt - bulldust. Read it again Kurt. And read what I say over there. That's all I'll say on it to you. What I actually wrote is recorded here on google and there in 2500+ posts no matter which way you wish to distort the interpretation. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes >>On Feb 27, 10:09?pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes I have to ask.......... What do I eat if I am discharged from the hospital, and am told by a nurse, reading from the discharge paper, to eat "2000 calorie according to the ADA diet." There *may* be a word off the exact statement there, and if so, I can get the paper and type it 100% correctly, but 2000 cal, according to the ADA diet plan was specified. I read at the ADA forum long before you started posting there, posted VERY few times, but the atmosphere was exactly as you have stated. When I was diagnosed, my doctor knew of my computer experience, and he urged me to get on my computer, and go searching for anything I could find. When I dropped my a1c to 6, he asked "What did you do? Tell me so I can tell other patients." This was back in 2002 or 03. It was from what I found here, and testing. I got the same blessing for the group from my endo a few years later when working on getting my pump. Now I'm working on getting the sensors, but I've not been able to be as compliant as I'd like to be; maybe that will improve soon. *s* Didn't mean to write like this, but it just *bugs* me to see so much time, energy, bandwidth (if that *really* is a problem overall), etc., on a non-issue issue when there are *real* issues in the world around. It would not hurt to discuss some slightly non-diabetic issues that might *slightly* affect diabetics if some would drop their facades. Coping with a chronic illness pops into my mind immediately. Oooooh, my, Alan, I think I feel a blog entry forming..... *smile* Had not thought along this way before. I'm getting more in store than I ever thought possible. Talking about needing more hours in the day! This mom needs them to go blogging, read newsgroups (added the prostate cancer one now), read personal mail, wipe the tears when they roll uncontrolled/unwanted, sleep, send text messages......... thank you IVIGs. Do not have much improvement in the ring and pinkie fingers for typing, and I have double vision again :( and that slows down my online work, but I'm learning how to get things done with less ability. You CAN teach an old dog new tricks!! I'm learning to lift the foot on the gas pedal, and slow 'er down a bit. Less frustration that way, to work within the boundaries. Keep on keeping on, Alan. I'm doing my thing where I need to do it. Don't think I have all of my ummmm..... Britishers' full blessings with my references and such not being ....... awww well, it doesn't matter does it? The forum is moderated so I cannot say anything there, have to use my blog. I'm not well-suited for apologies to the chairman, if you know what I mean. Just keep my mouth shut. I've just recently learned how to open it, and need some open space in which to try it out. haha Sounds like a nice place to go right now, in fact. Need to stay off these tangents!!!! Have a VERY good day!!! Ragdoll Billie on the Road to Remission http://andlifegoesononedayonestepatatime.blogspot.com/ http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/billiewages Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis http://www.myasthenia.org/amg_whatismg.cfm >Have a VERY good day!!! I will thanks Billie. Frantically making final arrangements to fly out next Thursday. Glad to see you're sounding chipper:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes >>On Feb 27, 10:09?pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >recorded here on google and there in 2500+ posts no matter >which way you wish to distort the interpretation. Since I wrote that, I happened to write a post on the ADA forum about the definiton of low-fat high carb. You can read it there, or as the latest entry on my blog. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: The Quality of ADA Dietary Advice > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:18 -0800 (PST), Kurt > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > In the real world. Is that supposed to be representative of the real world? It's been obvious to me for some time now that Taubes, like Atkins and Bernstein, has many disciples. Not a surprise that his high powered PR campaign is working. There is much money to be made from his book. Why is it surprising to you that there are other anti-carb people who are supporting him so vociferously? And it has little to do with my point that the medical profession and the ADA in general get a bad rap here. Kurt >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:18 -0800 (PST), Kurt >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >It's been obvious to me for some time now that Taubes, >like Atkins and Bernstein, has many disciples. I went back and checked the headers - yep, this was from Kurt. That was a thread on the ADA forum Kurt. I wrote the opening post but not the replies. You're now saying that the ADA forum is not part of the real world of diabetes? Unbelievable. > Not a surprise that his high powered >PR campaign is working. There is much money to be made from his book. >Why is it surprising to you that there are other anti-carb people who >are supporting him so vociferously? And it has little to do with my >point that the medical profession and the ADA in general get a bad rap >here. Weren't you the one mumbling about conspiracy theorists? Do you have a lock on your coffee-jar in your locked fridge Kurt? You're starting to sound just a wee bit paranoid. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes : > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:18 -0800 (PST), Kurt : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : > : > In the real world. : Is that supposed to be representative of the real world? It's been : obvious to me for some time now that Taubes, like Atkins and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : point that the medical profession and the ADA in general get a bad rap : here. : Kurt Interestingly, all the doctors I have spoken to aobut the book have said they are not reding it because they already agree that there is something very wrong with standard advice and they don't follow the low fat-high carb way of living for themselves (non-diabetic, mostly, but 1 diabetic among the group) two, the diabetic and one other have followed low carb diets to sucessful weight loss and maintanance. There seems to be an assumption tht the standard diet advice is not working nor correct, Wendy > Interestingly, all the doctors I have spoken to aobut the book have said > they are not reding it because they already agree that there is something [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diets to sucessful weight loss and maintanance. There seems to be an > assumption tht the standard diet advice is not working nor correct, That's what I've been told too by every Endo. I've seen and even the GP I just had that is no longer there. Will have to see what the new GP says (if anything) when I see her next week. Kurt, what a long diatribe........ typical of you, all words and NO content please post URL's to where people here have bashed a Dr who is doing the RIGHT thing for their patient what is this issue you have with Alan? so, he posts his blog...... that has links to other sites with lots of information on them....... what constitutes a 'legitimate' site for you? and then you argue with Mack, over every post he makes it seems that you have come to this newsgroup to FIGHT........ when everyone else is here to HELP why is that? kate > Krom, > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >> mission to discourage people from listening to their doctors or the >> ADA and following your amateur advice instead. > Kurt, what a long diatribe........ typical of you, all words and NO >content I guess I could just tell people to "f.ck off" like you do, but I don't have your hair-trigger temper and I prefer to be a little more articulate with my dicussions. > and then you argue with Mack, over every post he makes Look again, Kate. I usually only respond when he has taken a shot at me first. It might be hard since he has recently taken to non- archiving, but that's when the arguments begin. > it seems that you have come to this newsgroup to FIGHT You couldn't be more wrong. However, if you view having a differing opinion and not just accepting the mobspeak as "fighting" then I can see why you feel that way. >........ when > everyone else is here to HELP LOL. You've got to be kidding. You can't seriously believe that. Do you consider your posts to me and others as helpful? Do you consider Mack's constant attacks and snide remarks to me and many others helpful? Do you think the recent treatment of Guy is helpful? Or your personal feud with Reisa? The misrepresentation of the ADA is helpful? Come on... Kurt Kurt wrote in message <15d5d7eb-7bc2-43c0-8e98- I guess I could just tell people to "f.ck off" like you do, but I *********** Is that the equivalent of " NOW GET OUT" if you use your Victoresque voice? ;-) Cheri > Kurt wrote in message <15d5d7eb-7bc2-43c0-8e98- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheri yes, Cheri........used on spammers and people who are having an ongoing arguement in the newsgroup...... one word replies to each other i generally ignore Kurt i refuse to let rk run off newbies with her foul mouth and ill temper Dont get all defensive man im talking to you not fighting with ya. When its just between you and mack and you and alan i leave it to you peeps to sort it out yourselfs..but you included the entire group in you argument with alan and THAST where i call foul. Alan and mack are not the entire group so when you fight them leave the group out as i have said in my response to you that i cna count maybe 6 people you regularly fight with out a of a group of thousands..many who choose to not post but read the group..much as i did months before i found this server that allowed posting. So my best advice to you is argu with them all ya like but dont make broad swipes at the group as a whole because it is A. untrue and B. uneccesary. Even if you felt this group was just the 6 you fight with and thier sockpuppets there always could be a lurker who could benifit from advice and info..post with them in mind and you will come across less obsessed with fighting the group when you claim to be fighting a few. KROM "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote Surely you can't be so obtuse as to not see that my comment to Alan was in response to the broad swipe he took at me, which was a lie itself . Exaggerated to match his exaggeration. Yet you chose to get indignant about only what I wrote. Next time try looking at both sides of what you are responding to before being so quick to jump on the "discussion." I'd appreciate that. Kurt >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0800 (PST), Kurt >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Probably for the same reason you and a few others seem to make it your >mission to discourage people from listening to their doctors. that's a lie. 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On Feb 27, 5:39�am, M�ck�� <I...@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:36:37 -0800 (PST), Kurt > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > that's a lie. Not really, but what you posted yesterday was. >>I do know that doctors are carefully picked people that get >>a lot of training in an extended period of time. ?Most are taught >>to observe high ethics. > only 1 of the three statements above are true. Instead of worrying about what others say perhaps you should look in the mirror and use your love for criticizing others on Mack. Kurt >On Feb 27, 5:39?am, M?ck?? <I...@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Kurt Kurt, at one time, Mack was a good poster. he had a long history and taught me a lot. Now????????? Kurt, do your thing, you are OK and I do listen to you a lot. guy guys@consolidated.net wrote in message >Kurt, at one time, Mack was a good poster. he had >a long history and taught me a lot. He still is a good poster and has a lot of good information to share, but perhaps you could post some of what he taught you. I'm sure that would be helpful to newbies, as well as fullfilling your wish to keep things diabetes related here. Just a thought. Cheri >guys@consolidated.net wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Cheri Cheri, I know you didn't intend that as irony, but thanks for my morning laugh. I must have missed the post where Kurt shared a lot of good information, please remind me of one of the threads. I don't include re-posting links to the ADA as part of that. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest: Motivation, Likes and Dislikes >>guys@consolidated.net wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > information, please remind me of one of the threads. I don't > include re-posting links to the ADA as part of that. I don't either. We all know how to go to the ADA board. Duh! > >>g...@consolidated.net wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I don't either. �We all know how to go to the ADA board. �Duh! I don't post those links for you or Alan. I post them for the people who may not go to the ADA site because they are being steered away from it, or have heard from so many others how evil the ADA is that they never would think of going there. And be honest, when was the last time you ever went to their site? As far as what constitutes "good information" as Alan put it, neither of you can really claim the blue ribbon for that. Alan mostly posts his blog which is more of the same amateur guessing that he posts here. And you, Julie, other than telling everyone what foods you can and cannot eat or the minutia of your life, what do you contribute? Quit being so judgmental. That's not very nice. Kurt On Feb 27, 3:36?pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote: > "Alan S" <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I don't either. ?We all know how to go to the ADA board. ?Duh! >I don't post those links for you or Alan. I post them for the people >who may not go to the ADA site because they are being steered away >from it, or have heard from so many others how evil the ADA is that >they never would think of going there. And be honest, when was the l>ast time you ever went to their site? And you really think if someone doesn't like the ADA or their site, they will go there just because YOU posted a link? Hahahaha.... I think the last time I went to their site, other than the other day to check and see if it was working when it was down was when I had GD so like...10 years ago. >As far as what constitutes "good information" as Alan put it, neither >of you can really claim the blue ribbon for that. Alan mostly posts >his blog which is more of the same amateur guessing that he posts >here. And you, Julie, other than telling everyone what foods you can >and cannot eat or the minutia of your life, what do you contribute? Did I post anything today about my life or my foods? Yesterday? The day before? I don't think so... I have offered advice when people asked questions. About what? Food, medication, testing, etc. I offered advice to the poster who said his wife was told to eat 4 servings of carbs per meal. I thought that was too much. You on the other hand just seem to like to snipe at people and join in with any other type 1's. >Quit being so judgmental. That's not very nice. >>As far as what constitutes "good information" as Alan put it, neither >>of you can really claim the blue ribbon for that. Alan mostly posts >>his blog which is more of the same amateur guessing that he posts >>here. And you, Julie, other than telling everyone what foods you can >>and cannot eat or the minutia of your life, what do you contribute? Kurt, you really are a piece of low-life. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 I was thinking about this kurt and it would be good if you or other type ones could post more about what they do for control. I seriously have no idea and it would be benificial to all. Sure it can seem the type twos here post all the info..but thats because you and the other type ones never do. Maybe once in a while post what ya do for control..adding of course this is what works for you. I would love to know what ya eat and the exercise you do and what meds you use and when to control you numbers as well as your current labs. Support is more then giveing medical info thats what the med groups for...how people deal and live with this disease is more what a support group is about. Goto any offline support group for anything its more like "hi im krom and im a diabetec and this is what i do for control"..as opposed to "here read this pamplet and ask no questions"... KROM "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote As far as what constitutes "good information" as Alan put it, neither of you can really claim the blue ribbon for that. Alan mostly posts his blog which is more of the same amateur guessing that he posts here. And you, Julie, other than telling everyone what foods you can and cannot eat or the minutia of your life, what do you contribute? Quit being so judgmental. That's not very nice. Kurt > I was thinking about this kurt and it would be good if you or other type > ones could post more about what they do for control. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > a diabetec and this is what i do for control"..as opposed to "here read this > pamplet and ask no questions"... Okay, but you've opened Pandora's Box! :) I've discussed the specifics of my Type 1 diabetes before but you may have missed it, so I'll give you the reader's digest version, and yes this is strictly about my own diabetes and may not reflect other Type 1's. It's about me and what works for me: - I'm Type one and have needed to inject insulin for over 20 years. My insulins have changed over the years, mostly for the better. Although there's been no cure, they have made vast improvements with insulin and testing abilities. I'm still on MDI (multiple daily injections) and have resisted getting a pump. I test anywhere from 6 to 10 times and will bolus if I'm too high, and drink juice if I'm too low. Fortunately I have never had a 911 call. - I use Humalog as my bolus and Lantus as my basal. Not much of each compared to other Type 1's I know, but that's no achievement. One should take as much as they need. - I an very active. Exercise can be tricky with either type of diabetes, but Type 1 is a delicate balance and pretty fickle at times. I have a gym in my home and a personal trainer comes to work with me 2 or 3 times a week, more for motivation than need. In addition I run, walk a lot, and play recreational sports...not very well sometimes, but I |
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