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Silver in foot wear can help the diabetic

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jfowler@acor.com - 07 Feb 2008 20:09 GMT
While foot odor is rarely discussed around the water cooler, it is an
embarrassing problem that affects millions of people. Your feet harbor
millions of organisms and bacteria. Our feet can produce over a cup of
moisture per day, and the heat and moisture build up in our shoes to
create an active source for these organisms to develop and grow.

Foot odor occurs when various bacteria, primarily corynebacteria and
micrococci, break down denatured proteins found on the skin and
footwear, resulting in undesired smells from the feet. The feet are
the places where odors most commonly occur because they provide a
warm, moist breeding ground for odor-causing bacteria. Fortunately,
eliminating the bacteria usually eliminates the odor.

There are many "cures" for stopping foot odor from charcoal filters,
to scents that mask the odor and other artificial chemical substances.
One of the most recent uses of destroying foot odor is the element
silver spun into the weave of the fabric. Silver has been used for
over 4000 years as an anti-bacterial agent and is still commonplace in
hospitals today. Scientists were unable to bond the silver permanently
to thread until the last century. With the problems associated with
bacteria and the foot, why wouldn't this natural element find a place
in the footwear industry?

So, what is silver? Silver is a chemical element on the periodic table
that has the symbol Ag (from the traditional abbreviation from the
Latin, Argentum). It is a soft, white lustrous transition metal;
silver has the highest electrical and thermal conductivity of any
metal. Silver has traditionally been used in coins, tableware, and
jewelry. In medicine, it is the first medicine introduced to a newborn
baby's eyes (as in silver nitrate), colloidal silver is used as a
liquid anti-bacterial, and silver sulfadiazine is used as a topical
cream for burn victims.

Silver is now also being used in the footwear industry for shoes,
insoles and socks. There are many benefits beyond foot odor that these
products offer. Below is a short description of these features:

Anti-Odor: A common misconception is that antimicrobial is synonymous
with anti-odor. Silver offers both antimicrobial and anti-odor
benefits. Bacteria are only one cause of body odor. Ammonia and
denatured proteins are also significant contributors to odor in
footwear. Incredibly, both ammonia and denatured proteins bind most
readily with silver. Because silver is on the outside of the fiber,
this allows for immediate binding with these odor causing agents -
resulting in instant odor reduction!

Anti-Bacterial: The anti-microbial performance of silver has proven to
have distinct performance advantages. It has been proven to eliminate
99.9% of bacteria on the material in less than one hour of exposure.
Silver will also kill bacteria and fungi faster as the temperature in
your footwear rises due to activity because its anti-microbial
properties are activated with heat.

Temperature Control: The biophysics of footwear has become an area of
significant interest in recent years. It is now possible to use the
existing energy of the body and the environment to actively regulate
temperature through heat transfer. Silver footwear enhances the
natural movement of moisture through evaporation. Silver accelerates
the evaporation of moisture. As a result, it transports the moisture
away from the body faster, allowing for a more comfortable environment
and less potential for convective heat loss. In warm weather, silver-
lined footwear addresses evaporation by dissipating the amount of
moisture in contact with your feet. What's more, because heat and
moisture are being dispersed over the entire surface of the shoe or
insole, hot spots and blisters are greatly reduced!

In conclusion, silver in footwear, is a logical response to anyone who
might suffer from foot odor, has a specific medical problem - such as
diabetes, in which the foot would benefit from bacteria being
eliminated, or with people who have problems with blisters and hot
spots on their feet. Silver-lined footwear: A new treatment using an
old cure.

If you would like to find out more about this, please go to www.footdefense.com
where you can find more information on silver and foot problems that
affect the diabetic.  Thanks!
anon - 07 Feb 2008 20:35 GMT
I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
anyway.

I had a terminal case of foot odor, if I removed my shoes it would clear the
room. My granddaughter gave me 3 pair of x-static diabetic socks. I started
wearing them and in 2 days foot odor was a thing of the past. The socks even
removed the odor from my shoes. I bought 6 more pair and wouldn't wear
anything else. Amazon.com has them at a reasonable price.

Anon

> While foot odor is rarely discussed around the water cooler, it is an
> embarrassing problem that affects millions of people. Your feet harbor
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> where you can find more information on silver and foot problems that
> affect the diabetic.  Thanks!
Uncle Enrico - 07 Feb 2008 20:04 GMT
> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
> anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Anon

Thanks for the tip, Anon. I've been looking for good socks. Are they
comfortable?
Robert Miles - 08 Feb 2008 00:18 GMT
>> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
>> anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for the tip, Anon. I've been looking for good socks. Are they
> comfortable?

The diabetic socks my relatives bought me (probably not that brand,
though) are comfortable.
anon - 08 Feb 2008 23:24 GMT
>> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
>> anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for the tip, Anon. I've been looking for good socks. Are they
> comfortable?

They feel about the same as any other socks. I've been told that after a lot
of washings, the silver plating on the fibers will wear off. I wash them on
gentle cycle in warm water for a short time only.

I got the cheap ones from Amazon.com - Berkshire Diabetic Care X-Static
socks at $3.60/pair.

anon
ted rosenberg - 09 Feb 2008 16:40 GMT
> <snip>
> They feel about the same as any other socks. I've been told that after a lot
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  

notice the name? "x-static"   that, because metallic silver is
conductive, the socks won't get sticky from static electricity
WHY anyone would care is beyond me.
ted rosenberg - 07 Feb 2008 21:08 GMT
> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
> anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> anything else. Amazon.com has them at a reasonable price.
>  
Hey, your opinion is no worse than most of us, and better than many
1) it is not a scam
2) It is not dangerous
3) It is given as your opinion, not as revealed truth

also
it is not
"all natural"
and has not "been used for hundreds of years'

both indications of fraud
> Anon
>
>  
<silver  scam snipped>
bj - 07 Feb 2008 21:56 GMT
> Hey, your opinion is no worse than most of us, and better than many
> 1) it is not a scam
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> both indications of fraud

It's also not a "secret method from <pick exotic locale>"
and it's not "the secret THEY don't want you to know!"
bj
Frank t2 - 07 Feb 2008 22:33 GMT
"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> a écrit ...

>> Hey, your opinion is no worse than most of us, and better than many
>> 1) it is not a scam
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> and it's not "the secret THEY don't want you to know!"
> bj

... So why are we whispering ?
;))
Trinkwasser - 24 Feb 2008 20:16 GMT
>> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
>> anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>  
><silver  scam snipped>

Er, possibly not.

Back when MRSA was relatively new there was a paper by a fairly
well-attested authority on infection control to the effect that
*copper* had local antiseptic effects - bacteria deposited on copper
lived far less long than when deposited on steel or plastic.

Like the silver it makes some sense, copper in other than trace
quantities is quite toxic, as is silver if taken internally.

The point of the paper was that possibly stripping out all the
Victorian brass taps and door furniture from our hospitals and
replacing them with "hygenic" stainless steel and plastics was
actually a retrograde step in terms of limiting transmission by
"fomites".

Though I suspect copper socks would be a non-starter unless you like
green feet
ted rosenberg - 24 Feb 2008 21:42 GMT
<incredibly stupis drivil snipped>

How dumb can people get ??

NO twit, Copper does not cure MRSA, and Silver does not cure anything either
Trinkwasser - 25 Feb 2008 17:16 GMT
><incredibly stupis drivil snipped>
>
>How dumb can people get ??

They get pretty dumb when they sound off like fuckwits BEFORE reading
what they are replying to. And don't use their spellcheckers.

>NO twit, Copper does not cure MRSA, and Silver does not cure anything either

Read again.

I said NOTHING about curing anything.

The research was that copper (and brass which contains copper)
SURFACES were significantly worse at TRANSFERRING live bacteria than
other surfaces such as stainless steel and plastics.

Here they're currently engaged in doing some serious heavy duty
cleaning of hospitals to try to reduce the alarming rates of
hospital-borne infections. Are you now going to say that antiSEPTICS
don't work either?

Sometimes you write sense, but this wasn't one of them.
ted rosenberg - 25 Feb 2008 18:46 GMT
>  
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Sometimes you write sense, but this wasn't one of them.
>  
My apologies but I went back and reread your message.  Now that I know
what you ment, I can see where  I misunderstood you, however you were
sure not clear.
 I think my error was natural because your post was less than clear

Of COURSE Copper has local antiseptic effects - it is a reactive  
metal.  Sodium is even better, and put bacteria on a lithium surface and
they will catch fire and burn brightly.   However they are neither
useful because reactive metals are dangerous. hard to keep clean, and
have other problems

Silver is non-reactive, but is EXPENSIVE and soft.
Trinkwasser - 28 Feb 2008 19:27 GMT
>My apologies but I went back and reread your message.  Now that I know
>what you ment, I can see where  I misunderstood you, however you were
>sure not clear.
>  I think my error was natural because your post was less than clear

Blame the red wine (and the Australians who are civilised enough to
sell it in screw-top bottles <G>)

>Of COURSE Copper has local antiseptic effects - it is a reactive  
>metal.  Sodium is even better, and put bacteria on a lithium surface and
>they will catch fire and burn brightly.   However they are neither
>useful because reactive metals are dangerous. hard to keep clean, and
>have other problems

hehe now there's an idea, lithium socks

Actually silver is so passe, I'm now wearing platinum socks, not only
do they make the toe hair grow back but when you've finished with them
you stuff them in the exhaust of your car and they turn the CO2 back
into diesel

<runs away>
GysdeJongh - 08 Feb 2008 00:07 GMT
>I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
>anyway.

Hi anon,
I value your opinion  :)
Nice to see you back
Gys
Alan S - 08 Feb 2008 01:40 GMT
>>I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
>>anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Nice to see you back
>Gys

I value his input too. But only when it is as Anon. Not as
an imaginary young lady.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest: LuckyKat
Terryc - 11 Feb 2008 06:22 GMT
> I know my opinion is not worth 2 cents in this forum, but I'll express it
> anyway.
>
> I had a terminal case of foot odor,

Unless they have redefined the word, it obviously wasn't terminal.
ted rosenberg - 07 Feb 2008 21:03 GMT
jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>

This  stuff is DANGEROUS even more than the Grewytrolls surgery
DonnaB shallotpeel - 07 Feb 2008 21:14 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:02 -0500 in Msg.#

> jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>
>
> This  stuff is DANGEROUS even more than the Grewytrolls surgery

One model of the newer Crocs Rx shoes has silver in it. Are you saying that
having silver in shoes, etc. in that fashion is dangerous? And, if so, why?

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"Love thy neighbor - but build a wall." - Russian Proverb

John - 07 Feb 2008 21:53 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:02 -0500 in Msg.#
> <47AB7206.2030...@iname.com>, ted rosenberg <tedrosenb...@iname.com>  wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> "Love thy neighbor - but build a wall." - Russian Proverb

I think he is referring to colloidal silver, which is ingested, as
being dangerous. And it is. It can cause a condition called Argyria
which can be absolutely hideous.

From Wikipedia:

"Long-term intake of silver products may result in a condition known
as argyria, one symptom of which is a blue or gray discoloration of
the skin.[9] It occurs when sunlight interacts with silver deposited
in the skin, in the same way that silver particles in photographic
film darken when exposed to sunlight. It can occur both via ingestion
of silver, or through topical application of silver to the skin.
[citation needed] While generally considered permanent[10], some have
claimed to have reversed it.[11] Death from argyria has been reported
from as little as four months use of oral colloidal silver[12] , and
cases of kidney damage, stomach distress, and headaches have been
reported, as well as cases of brain and nerve damage.[13][14] [15][16]

Many scientific articles report cases of argyria after ingestion of
colloidal silver."

Here's a pic of a dude with Argyria, it ain't pretty:

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/pharmacy/Images/silver1.jpg

John C.
DonnaB shallotpeel - 07 Feb 2008 23:11 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:53:56 -0800 (PST) in Msg.#
<e0c04bca-e88e-4654-9c1d-948c3b743fe8@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, John
<jcarney44@verizon.net>  wrote:

> > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:02 -0500 in Msg.#
> > <47AB7206.2030...@iname.com>, ted rosenberg <tedrosenb...@iname.com>  wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I think he is referring to colloidal silver, which is ingested, as
> being dangerous. And it is. ...

Thank you. Sounds like 2 different things.

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- proverb

Priscilla H. Ballou - 08 Feb 2008 17:57 GMT
> > I think he is referring to colloidal silver, which is ingested, as
> > being dangerous. And it is. ...
>
> Thank you. Sounds like 2 different things.

They are.  Ted, as usual, has gone off without reading too carefully.  

Priscilla
DonnaB shallotpeel - 08 Feb 2008 22:05 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:57:24 -0500 in Msg.#
<vze23t8n-137F9E.12572408022008@individual.net>, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
<vze23t8n@verizon.net>  wrote:

> > > I think he is referring to colloidal silver, which is ingested, as
> > > being dangerous. And it is. ...
> >
> > Thank you. Sounds like 2 different things.
>
> They are.  Ted, as usual, has gone off without reading too carefully.  

This has been a week of reading - and re-reading - here in ASD for me!!

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winter 1996

jfowler@acor.com - 07 Feb 2008 22:01 GMT
I am interested in your statement that it has not been used for
"hundreds of years" and is not "all natural". The silver used in these
shoes in socks is pure 99.9% silver that is permanently bonded to a
nylon fiber thread and I have a list of studies that support that
statement. The use of silver in wound care is promoted by the FDA and
the EPA. Johnson and Johnson use it in burn care and if you look
online for a product known as X-Static (www.noblefiber.com) you will
find that there are HUNDREDS of studies on the topic.

Silver is an element and is found in nature. We are not chemically
producing an element. It is all-natural.

As for "hundreds of years", I am wrong. Silver has actually been used
for THOUSANDS of years. Sumerians and Egytians spoke of its' "magical"
ability to heal - why? Because silver binds with bacteria, denatured
proteins, and ammonia that make up the building blocks of odor.

Here is a a study on the topic that gives a brief overview of it:
http://dmseg5.case.edu/Classes/emse201/links/silver%20in%20fabrics.doc

Silver is used in numerous products that have Medicare codes. One
quick look on the internet with the keyword X-STATIC will refute this
claim that it is dangerous.

> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:02 -0500 in Msg.#
> <47AB7206.2030...@iname.com>, ted rosenberg <tedrosenb...@iname.com>  wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> "Love thy neighbor - but build a wall." - Russian Proverb
ted rosenberg - 08 Feb 2008 03:09 GMT
> I am interested in your statement that it has not been used for
> "hundreds of years" and is not "all natural". The silver used in these
> shoes in socks is pure 99.9% silver that is permanently bonded to a
> nylon fiber thread and I have a list of studies that support that
> statement. The use of silver in wound care is promoted by the FDA and
> the EPA.

WOW.  A typical quack lie

> Johnson and Johnson use it in burn care and if you look
> online for a product known as X-Static (www.noblefiber.com) you will
> find that there are HUNDREDS of studies on the topic.
>  

None of which seem to exist
> Silver is an element and is found in nature. We are not chemically
> producing an element. It is all-natural.
>  
"All natural"  well if anyone had any doubt, you just PROVED it is quackery
> As for "hundreds of years", I am wrong. Silver has actually been used
> for THOUSANDS of years. Sumerians and Egytians spoke of its' "magical"
> ability to heal - why? Because silver binds with bacteria, denatured
> proteins, and ammonia that make up the building blocks of odor.
>  

Earth to quack?  ever have any chemistry - NO, well THAT is obvious
> Here is a a study on the topic that gives a brief overview of it:
> http://dmseg5.case.edu/Classes/emse201/links/silver%20in%20fabrics.doc
>  

An add ?  and that proves?  That you are pushing a fraud - YES
> Silver is used in numerous products that have Medicare codes. One
> quick look on the internet with the keyword X-STATIC will refute this
> claim that it is dangerous.
>  
Silver is a common element - it shows up in lots of things, mainly
because in metallic form, it is NON REACTIVE, and binds with NOTHING

>  
>> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:02 -0500 in Msg.#
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> "Love thy neighbor - but build a wall." - Russian Proverb
>>    
Alan S - 07 Feb 2008 23:57 GMT
>jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>
>
>This  stuff is DANGEROUS

Agreed

> even more than the Grewytrolls surgery

Bloody unnecessary Ted.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Cheri - 08 Feb 2008 00:59 GMT
>>jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Totally unnecessary Ted.

Cheri
DonnaB shallotpeel - 08 Feb 2008 01:02 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:02:44 -0800 in Msg.#
<tcCdnRifJvfHNDbanZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom>  wrote:

> >>jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Totally unnecessary Ted.

I'm completely confused.

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Frank t2 - 08 Feb 2008 02:04 GMT
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...

>> >>jfowler@acor.com wrote:<colloidal  silver scam snipped>
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I'm completely confused.

Is it reasonable to assume that being a long term member of ASD
is necessary to indersandiong this ?
Or, having searched the archives, maybe.
Cos Grewytrolls means nothing to me ...
Alan S - 08 Feb 2008 02:58 GMT
>"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Or, having searched the archives, maybe.
>Cos Grewytrolls means nothing to me ...

Delete rew troll from Grewytrolls and I think you'll get the
point. And Ted isn't getting it. Which I'm rather sad to
see.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Julie Bove - 08 Feb 2008 03:47 GMT
>>"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> point. And Ted isn't getting it. Which I'm rather sad to
> see.

And I still don't get it.  That leaves...Gy?
Oleg Lego - 08 Feb 2008 03:55 GMT
>>>"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>And I still don't get it.  That leaves...Gy?

Grewytrolls - rew = Gytrolls
Gytrolls - troll = Gys

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DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1

Julie Bove - 08 Feb 2008 04:31 GMT
>>>>"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Grewytrolls - rew = Gytrolls
> Gytrolls - troll = Gys

Oh.  Oops!
John - 08 Feb 2008 18:48 GMT
> Delete rew troll from Grewytrolls and I think you'll get the
> point. And Ted isn't getting it. Which I'm rather sad to
> see.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Sad isn't my reaction. Unsurprised would be more like it.

John C.
ted rosenberg - 08 Feb 2008 03:14 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:02:44 -0800 in Msg.#
> <tcCdnRifJvfHNDbanZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>  
Metallic silver is almost totally non-reactive under normal
circumstances - It is pretty, adds tensile strength, and does NOTHING

Reactive forms of silver (like colloidal silver) are pushed as
disinfectants - They are.  They also react with LOTS of things you don't
want reacted with.  They are  a real danger.
jfowler@acor.com - 08 Feb 2008 03:42 GMT
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:02:44 -0800 in Msg.#
> > <tcCdnRifJvfHNDbanZ2dnUVZ_v-hn...@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Other than being exceedingly rude, you are misinformed. It is easy to
stand on a soapbox when you lack any substance behind your words. Read
it for yourself. Maybe you know better than the people that have
approved this material? In any case, hundreds of companies and
governments all over the world disagree with you. You must be right!
I don't quite get why you keep bringing up colloidal silver. The
process that makes this has nothing to do with colloidal silver. You
can keep shouting "colloidal silver" but it doesn't change anything.

The proof is in the pudding. This stuff does work. The government
knows it. Fortune 500 Companies know it. Read the data. (Note, this IS
NOT Colloidal)

Noble Biomedical
www.noblefiber.com

Johnson & Johnson
http://www.investor.jnj.com/releaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=132736&year=2004

Press Release - The Silver Lining For Diabetes Patients
http://noblebiomaterials.com/pinewsarticles_www.asp?itemid=112&submit=getrecord&
recordid=8


Press Release - The Silver Bullet Against Deadly Staph Infection Isn't
Just An Antibiotic (Silver against MRSA staph)
http://noblebiomaterials.com/pinewsarticles_www.asp?itemid=112&submit=getrecord&
recordid=34


Epicos: eCommerce platform for Aerospace and Defense
http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/
js_panename/News+Information+Article+View;jsessionid=2A48E7DA8B5EA1EFDA1C7E99CB8
5677A.tomcat5?articleid=75065&showfull=false

ted rosenberg - 09 Feb 2008 16:32 GMT
jfowler@acor.com wrote:<drivel snipped>
l.look twit\ikt
posting press release and adds from people pushing silver doesn't show
anything but you are ab idiot or a fraud
jfowler@acor.com - 09 Feb 2008 20:30 GMT
> jfow...@acor.com wrote:<drivel snipped>
>
> l.look twit\ikt
> posting press release and adds from people pushing silver doesn't show
> anything but you are ab idiot or a fraud

Ted:

How do you even function as a viable member of society? "ab idiot" -
genius!
"Ads", as they are called by the rest of the public, are how we in the
world of advertising (you see how the derivitive of that word works?)
make our way. You've since posted no proof to your case and your
basically just jumping up and down to feel important, I'll let you go
back to your foundless rant and I'll go back to promoting a product
that is selling all over the world and all these fine people can go
back to their normal lives.  I am sure you'll get the last word in
(without proof, no doubt, just plenty of - how do you put it? Oh yes,
"drivel"), so go to it, and enjoy your life.

Back to trying to help people,

J.
Alan S - 09 Feb 2008 21:41 GMT
>"Ads", as they are called by the rest of the public, are how we in the
>world of advertising (you see how the derivitive of that word works?)
>make our way.

Fascinating.

A "charter", in the world of usenet, is how people wishing
to conduct conversations about their chosen subject (in this
case, diabetes support) attempt to exclude those with a
different goal.

Thus the charter for this group includes:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Charter.htm
"It is not intended that this group would carry commercial
messages, binaries or HTML."

Piss off you blood-sucking despicable slimy leech.

That's the polite version.

Alan, T2, Australia.
jfowler@acor.com - 10 Feb 2008 17:13 GMT
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:30:18 -0800 (PST), "jfow...@acor.com"
>
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>
> Alan, T2, Australia.

Nice message. I see, like most angry people with an opinion, you only
follow part of the advice:

Thus the charter for this group includes:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Charter.htm
"We ask that posters refrain from obscenities, vulgarities, name-
calling, and any other actions that would be considered out of place
in a public place."

Just because I believe and sell a product, doesn't mean I can't write
something and post it - which I did - and the topic is on diabetes.  I
didn't post prices or even specific products. I just wrote about the
benefits of silver; an element found in nature. Whether you want to
believe in that or not is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I am
not going to drop to the lowest common denominator of to debate you on
it.

I feel sorry that you think that that was necessary...
Alan S - 10 Feb 2008 21:48 GMT
>I feel sorry that you think that that was necessary...

I feel sorry that you don't see why it was. Now slither off
please.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Priscilla Ballou - 10 Feb 2008 22:23 GMT
In article
<9e11d383-6fee-4d11-b18e-ede59945fb09@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

> Just because I believe and sell a product, doesn't mean I can't write
> something and post it - which I did - and the topic is on diabetes.  I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not going to drop to the lowest common denominator of to debate you on
> it.

Now it's clear that you're advertising a product you sell, I will join
the chorus to tell you that you are posting off-charter and you should
henceforth get lost, unless you're a diabetic and want to start posting
about your experience treating your diabetes -- without a word about the
product you're pushing.

Priscilla
jfowler@acor.com - 11 Feb 2008 03:08 GMT
> In article
> <9e11d383-6fee-4d11-b18e-ede59945f...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Priscilla

Priscilla:

I am diabetic and have been for 11 years. Silver is one of the ways
that I do help treat my diabetes through proper footwear, orthotics,
and silver socks. Additionally, I use the drugs metaformin and byetta,
twice/daily. Selling a product on here wasn't the main purpose of me
posting to begin with. It was trying to tell people the benefits of
silver to diabetics. That is why I never mentioned the name of my
company, nor promoted any specific products or name brands. While I
haven't had any issues of neuropathy with my feet, I take care of them
and regularly meet with a podiatrist. So, I wrote a blog about this
product and shared it - however, some people just jump all over it.
Note, because I work for a company in the diabetic industry, I still
haven't posted the name or said to anyone "buy this product!".
Personally, I don't care if you buy my product or you buy one from
another company - I feel that silver is beneficial to people with
diabetes who worry about their feet. It is the same reason that Crocs
are starting to use it, as well (Incidentally, Crocs are now
recommended by the AMPA - American Medical Podiatric Association - and
I don't work for that company or the Association, either). It is a
very good, old solution and I urge anyone to look into using silver
for their foot care - from any company out there.

Jim
ted rosenberg - 11 Feb 2008 04:26 GMT
jfowler@acor.com wrote:<droll snipped>
PLEASE take your scam, AND your fraudulent claims and place them in your
posterior orifice, with your feet still attached.
krom - 08 Feb 2008 05:15 GMT
People taking colodial<sp?> silver can actually turn blue like a smurf.
Like everything in life a tiny amount is potentially benificial but of
course human nature as it is people dont know what they are doing and over
do it and do more harm then good.

The human body needs elemental minerals and metals but tiny amounts..when
theres more then needed its potentially very dangerous so its best to avoid
it.

Collodial silver is gotten thru a process that i dont recall but it was
somthing like putting a charge thru it in water to release it into the water
where its drunk.

Worn silver doesnt get absorbed into the skin in the same amounts as a
person drinking it daily...one internal..ones external.

KROM

> I'm completely confused.
DonnaB shallotpeel - 08 Feb 2008 05:54 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:15:16 -0600 in Msg.#

> People taking colodial<sp?> silver can actually turn blue like a smurf.
> Like everything in life a tiny amount is potentially benificial but of
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>
> > I'm completely confused.

Thanks, at that point I was completely confused about Ted's Chewytrolls [?]
hoohah. <G>

But, thanks, also, for more explanation about 'worn silver' since that's the
kind of it that I was trying to inquire about.

(Is there a full moon again already?)

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pepper - not until you chew do you know how hot it is." - Hausa proverb,
Nigeria.

Frank t2 - 08 Feb 2008 07:23 GMT
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...

I'm REALLY wondering how to take that sigline, Donna ...
;))
jfowler@acor.com - 08 Feb 2008 13:01 GMT
> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotp...@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>
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> I'm REALLY wondering how to take that sigline, Donna ...
> ;))

Colloidal silver taken in large doses causes a problem that does turn
the skin blue (argyria). This is caused by large amounts of silver
collecting in the bloodstream, organs, and eyes. Colloidal silver, as
mentioned above is made from having a current run through water and
placing a silver bar in it, called electrolysis.  Colloidal silver was
used by doctors as an antibiotic in such things as nosedrops from the
1800s until 1975, when it was taken out of US drug guidebooks (I don't
know about other countries).  I wouldn't recommend using colloidal
silver and neither does the FDA, but you can still buy it in any GNC.

However, worn silver, especially in the case of X-Static, doesn't wear
off. It is permanently bonded to the fiber that it is attached to. The
type described in the Crocs shoes is the same way - it won't wear off,
absorb into your skin and turn you blue.  The reason a person's skin
turns blue is because ingested silver, not worn silver.
ted rosenberg - 09 Feb 2008 16:34 GMT
jfowler@acor.com wrote:<advertisement snipped>
DonnaB shallotpeel - 08 Feb 2008 22:27 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:23:00 +0100 in Msg.#
<47ac0356$0$32685$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c>
wrote:

> > "Namiji barkono ne. sai a tauna shi a san yajinsa. A husband is like a
> > pepper - not until you chew do you know how hot it is." - Hausa proverb,
> > Nigeria.
>
> I'm REALLY wondering how to take that sigline, Donna ...
> ;))

Pretty straightforward. You don't really know what you've got till you've
got it.

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Frank t2 - 09 Feb 2008 02:51 GMT
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit  ...

>> > "Namiji barkono ne. sai a tauna shi a san yajinsa. A husband is like a
>> > pepper - not until you chew do you know how hot it is." - Hausa
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> Pretty straightforward. You don't really know what you've got till you've
> got it.

Shades of Janis !
DonnaB shallotpeel - 10 Feb 2008 07:46 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 9 Feb 2008 03:51:40 +0100 in Msg.#
<47ad153e$0$9881$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c>
wrote:

> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit  ...
> >
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>
> Shades of Janis !

Uh, ... you lost me there, Frank? Janis?

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Oleg Lego - 10 Feb 2008 07:57 GMT
>In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 9 Feb 2008 03:51:40 +0100 in Msg.#
><47ad153e$0$9881$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c>
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>
>Uh, ... you lost me there, Frank? Janis?

Janis Joplin. _You Don't Know What You've Got 'til it's Gone_

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DonnaB shallotpeel - 10 Feb 2008 08:04 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:57:13 -0600 in Msg.#
<ihbtq3584ked6t0dc6tcgd0j73etnj2lb3@4ax.com>, Oleg Lego  <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

> >In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 9 Feb 2008 03:51:40 +0100 in Msg.#
> ><47ad153e$0$9881$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c>
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>
> Janis Joplin. _You Don't Know What You've Got 'til it's Gone_

Ohhhhhh! Yes, Good one. Thanks.

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Frank t2 - 10 Feb 2008 13:39 GMT
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...

>> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit  ...
>> >
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>
> Uh, ... you lost me there, Frank? Janis?

"You don't really know what you've got till you've got it."

"You don't know what you've got til it's gone ..." {Parking Lot]

Janis Joplin.

But then, I suppose you are much too young to know about her.
;))
Priscilla Ballou - 10 Feb 2008 22:24 GMT
> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
> >
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> But then, I suppose you are much too young to know about her.
> ;))

Janis Joplin did a cover of "Big Yellow Taxi?"  Surely you haven't
confused Joni Mitchell and Janis Joplin?

Priscilla
Oleg Lego - 10 Feb 2008 22:49 GMT
>> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>> >
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>Janis Joplin did a cover of "Big Yellow Taxi?"  Surely you haven't
>confused Joni Mitchell and Janis Joplin?

Drat! Got me, too. I should have known. Joni is a fellow Canadian (as
opposed to "a Canadian fellow").

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DonnaB shallotpeel - 10 Feb 2008 23:00 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:49:47 -0600 in Msg.#
<vqvuq39scqettp87l7a9vts7u5gtsfoeng@4ax.com>, Oleg Lego  <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

> >> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
> >> >
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> Drat! Got me, too. I should have known. Joni is a fellow Canadian (as
> opposed to "a Canadian fellow").

Well, you flipped me on my head, too, and JONI is one of my all-time faves.
Although, of course, I love Janis, and Judi & more, too.

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Frank t2 - 11 Feb 2008 00:49 GMT
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...

>>  Priscilla Ballou posted:
>>
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> faves.
> Although, of course, I love Janis, and Judi & more, too.

Looks like you're to young to know and
I'm too old to remember ... LOL ....
DarkSentinel - 11 Feb 2008 13:59 GMT
>> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>> >
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> Janis Joplin did a cover of "Big Yellow Taxi?"  Surely you haven't
> confused Joni Mitchell and Janis Joplin?

50 points if you can remember what band did a cover of Janis's "Diamonds and
Rust"...:)

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percy - 11 Feb 2008 16:38 GMT
>>> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>> >
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> 50 points if you can remember what band did a cover of Janis's "Diamonds
> and Rust"...:)

Joan Baez composed "Diamonds and Rust", supposedly about Bob Dylan.
Judas Priest did a cover in 1981.

Wikipedia is my friend ;-)

Vicki
Cheri - 11 Feb 2008 17:42 GMT
percy wrote in message ...

>Joan Baez composed "Diamonds and Rust", supposedly about Bob Dylan.
>Judas Priest did a cover in 1981.

One of my all time favorite songs. :-)

Cheri
DonnaB shallotpeel - 11 Feb 2008 17:43 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:42:42 -0800 in Msg.#
<3fednfI0EeasFS3anZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom>  wrote:

> percy wrote in message ...
>
> >Joan Baez composed "Diamonds and Rust", supposedly about Bob Dylan.
> >Judas Priest did a cover in 1981.
>
> One of my all time favorite songs. :-)

I love that album. May have to go listen to it today.

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DarkSentinel - 11 Feb 2008 20:31 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:42:42 -0800 in Msg.#
> <3fednfI0EeasFS3anZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
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>
> I love that album. May have to go listen to it today.

Sin After Sin or Joan's? ;)
DonnaB shallotpeel - 11 Feb 2008 20:51 GMT
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<vg2sj.7641$iB4.1448@newsfe07.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
<darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net>  wrote:

> > In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:42:42 -0800 in Msg.#
> > <3fednfI0EeasFS3anZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
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>
> Sin After Sin or Joan's? ;)

Joan Baez

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DarkSentinel - 11 Feb 2008 20:32 GMT
> percy wrote in message ...
>
>>Joan Baez composed "Diamonds and Rust", supposedly about Bob Dylan.
>>Judas Priest did a cover in 1981.
>
> One of my all time favorite songs. :-)

Which version? :)

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DarkSentinel - 11 Feb 2008 20:22 GMT
>>>> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>>>> >
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>
> Wikipedia is my friend ;-)

Give the young lady fifty points. And you are right, I have no idea WHY I
thought Janis did it. Gotta be the meds...lol

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 Feb 2008 17:50 GMT
> >> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> 50 points if you can remember what band did a cover of Janis's "Diamonds and
> Rust"...:)

Wasn't "Diamonds and Rust" Joan Baez?

Priscilla
DarkSentinel - 11 Feb 2008 20:30 GMT
>> >> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ...
>> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Wasn't "Diamonds and Rust" Joan Baez?

You are indeed right. I have no idea why I thought Janis did it. Probably
someone had told me that sometime in the past. I never cared very much for
that genre (Joan, Janis, etc) so couldn't really tell you who did what, but
Priest IS my favorite band. Rob Halford is my favorite singer as well. I
have everything he and Priest ever put out.

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DonnaB shallotpeel - 11 Feb 2008 20:50 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:30:26 -0800 in Msg.#
<vf2sj.7640$iB4.2132@newsfe07.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
<darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net>  wrote:

> You are indeed right. I have no idea why I thought Janis did it. Probably
> someone had told me that sometime in the past. I never cared very much for
> that genre (Joan, Janis, etc) so couldn't really tell you who did what, but
> Priest IS my favorite band. Rob Halford is my favorite singer as well. I
> have everything he and Priest ever put out.

But, but, but, ... Joan and Janis aren't in the same genre!!! LOL

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DarkSentinel - 12 Feb 2008 03:07 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:30:26 -0800 in Msg.#
> <vf2sj.7640$iB4.2132@newsfe07.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
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>
> But, but, but, ... Joan and Janis aren't in the same genre!!! LOL

Show's you how much I listen to their stuff huh?

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 12 Feb 2008 20:04 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:30:26 -0800 in Msg.#
> <vf2sj.7640$iB4.2132@newsfe07.lga>, "DarkSentinel"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> But, but, but, ... Joan and Janis aren't in the same genre!!! LOL

Thank you.

Priscilla
Priscilla H. Ballou - 08 Feb 2008 17:54 GMT

> Worn silver doesnt get absorbed into the skin in the same amounts as a
> person drinking it daily...one internal..ones external.

Excuse me?  If this were true don't you think there'd be some warning
about silver jewelry?

Priscilla
krom - 09 Feb 2008 05:46 GMT
Anyone can have a reaction to various metals but pure silver is "usallly"
hypo allergenic and very few people react to it as a chemical reaction to
contact..NOT because its absorbed into the skin..were talking apples and
oranges.

Theres a warning on everything these days that doesnt mean much.

KROM

>> Worn silver doesnt get absorbed into the skin in the same amounts as a
>> person drinking it daily...one internal..ones external.
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>
> Priscilla
Terryc - 27 Feb 2008 03:14 GMT
> While foot odor is rarely discussed around the water cooler, it is an
> embarrassing problem that affects millions of people. Your feet harbor
> millions of organisms and bacteria. Our feet can produce over a cup of
> moisture per day, and the heat and moisture build up in our shoes to
> create an active source for these organisms to develop and grow.

Okay, I've found the old family silver service and tried out a knife
spoon and fork at different times. Very uncomfortable and still smells.
What am I doing wrong?
Alan S - 27 Feb 2008 05:52 GMT
>> While foot odor is rarely discussed around the water cooler, it is an
>> embarrassing problem that affects millions of people. Your feet harbor
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>spoon and fork at different times. Very uncomfortable and still smells.
>What am I doing wrong?

You're supposed to use the knife and fork to cut your feet
off and the spoon to clean up the mess. Permanent solution.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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