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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / February 2008Ketosis Leads to Increased Methylglyoxal Production
Please note that ketosis (via Atkins, Taubes recommendations) might lead to increased methylglyoxal. This stuff is bad news to everyone including especially to diabetics. See: http://www.biochemsoctrans.org/bst/031/1400/0311400.pdf Ketosis Leads to Increased Methylglyoxal Production on the Atkins Diet BENJAMIN G. K. BEISSWENGER, ELIZABETH M. DELUCIA, NANCY LAPOINT, REBECCA J. SANFORD AND PAUL J. BEISSWENGER Sections of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Metabolism, Department of Medicine, Dartmouth Medical School, Hanover, New Hampshire 03756, USA Address for correspondence: Paul J. Beisswenger, M.D., Professor of Medicine, Dartmouth Medical School, Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, 1 Medical Center Drive, Lebanon, NH 03756.Voice: 603-650-8630/1808; fax: 603-650-2240/1808. paul.j.beisswenger@dartmouth.edu In the popular and widely used Atkins diet, the body burns fat as its main fuel. This process produces ketosis and hence increased levels of ß-hydroxybutyrate (BOB) acetoacetate (AcAc) and its by-products acetone and acetol. These products are potential precursors of the glycotoxin methylglyoxal. Since methylglyoxal and its byproducts are recognized as a significant cause of blood vessel and tissue damage, we measured methylglyoxal, acetone, and acetol in subjects on the Atkins diet. We found that by 14-28 days, methylghyoxal levels rose 1.67-fold (P = 0.039) and acetol and acetone levels increased 2.7- and 6.12-fold, respectively (P = 0.012 and 0.028). Samples from subjects with ketosis showed even greater increases in methylglyoxal (2.12- fold), as well as acetol and acetone, which increased 4.19- and 7.9- fold, respectively; while no changes were seen in samples from noncompliant, nonketotic subjects. The increase in methylglyoxal implies that potential tissue and vascular damage can occur on the Atkins diet and should be considered when choosing a weight-loss program. Key Words: Atkins diet * ketosis * methylglyoxal * acetone * acetol > Please note that ketosis (via Atkins, Taubes recommendations) might > lead to increased methylglyoxal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ketosis Leads to Increased Methylglyoxal Production on the Atkins > Diet Articles citing this article - http://tinyurl.com/2g9gz6 Quite a bit has been written about the precursors to advanced glycation end-products (AGE). Accumulation of AGE is a normal part of aging and particularly bad for diabetics. Cooking methods influence the content of AGE precursors in foods. The A1c test does not measure the accumulated AGE in various body tissues. Some people like to carmelize foods - bad news. advanced+glycation+end+products+AGE+tissues - http://tinyurl.com/yv9tvu All this information on AGE points out the serious need for AGE inhibitors and breakers. The are numerous AGE inhibitors including metformin. "The Maillard or browning reaction between sugars and proteins leads to the formation of chemical modifications and cross-links in proteins, known as advanced glycation end-products (AGEs)1 (1). These products contribute to the age-dependent chemical modification of long lived tissue proteins (2), and accelerated formation of AGEs during hyperglycemia is implicated in the development of diabetic complications (1, 2). Consistent with the AGE hypothesis, AGE inhibitors, such as aminoguanidine (AG) (3) and pyridoxamine (PM) (4), inhibit the formation of AGEs in various proteins in vitro and in collagen in vivo (5, 6) and retard the development of diabetic complications in animal models." Chelating Activity of Advanced Glycation End-product Inhibitors - http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/276/52/48967. This article has been cited 94 times - http://tinyurl.com/2a8vfy. Frank so basicallly everything we eat is going to kill us? >so basicallly everything we eat is going to kill us? from the moment of birth you are start the process of dying. Don't sweat it, no-one get's out of life alive.  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SignatureBlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 May 2007 A1c 5.5 Oct 2007 Yellow Belt! Yeah! >>so basicallly everything we eat is going to kill us? > >Yes! Stop eating immediately!! hey > Please note that ketosis (via Atkins, Taubes recommendations) might > lead to increased methylglyoxal. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Key Words: Atkins diet * ketosis * methylglyoxal * acetone * acetol so.............. if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, regardless of what diet you are on this must mean that losing weight is dangerous ????????? what is your conclusion? kate >so.............. if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, >regardless of what diet you are on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >kate Susan! Where is Susan? Man I'm so tired, gotta go sleep, been working 10 days straight. I hope Susan sees this. >>so.............. if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, >>regardless of what diet you are on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Susan! Where is Susan? Man I'm so tired, gotta go sleep, > been working 10 days straight. I hope Susan sees this. I saw it and ignored it, the only appropriate response to Randy's posts on the topic, IMO. Susan >I saw it and ignored it, the only appropriate response to Randy's posts >on the topic, IMO. > >Susan Ah, thanks, I'm too tired right now to have much mental focus. Back to Zzzzzzz..... > ra...@val.com wrote: > > Please note that ketosis (via Atkins, Taubes recommendations) might [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Atkins diet and should be considered when choosing a weight-loss > > program. >if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, > regardless of what diet you are on > > this must mean that losing weight is dangerous Sorry but this is incorrect. You can burn fat via the Krebs Cycle (well known biochemical pathway) that does not involve the production of ketone bodies. This is what usually happens when people loss fat on negative calorie diets. You can also burn fat via the production of ketone bodies in ketosis. Regards Randy This post not CC'd by email On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:06:15 -0700, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote: >so.............. if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, >regardless of what diet you are on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >kate G'day G'day Kate, I recall reading on a website (one Irish sounding name and one Jewish sounding name) that published a more sensible version of low carb dieting that in their experience people lost weight faster when they were NOT actually in ketosis. OK, they were nearly in ketosis. That seemed to be optimal point with their clients. The point was that according to them being in ketosis seemed to slow down weight loss. Unfortunately we live in a world that still seems to equate ultra low carb diets with Atkins and for his beliefs to persist. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > G'day G'day Kate, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that according to them being in ketosis seemed to slow down weight > loss. And they, like everyone else in the diet wars who play only one note, were wrong to make such a blanket assertion, if that's what they did. > Unfortunately we live in a world that still seems to equate ultra low > carb diets with Atkins and for his beliefs to persist. Atkin's diet is meant to be an eating plan for life. It's only ultra low carb by design for two weeks, and even then, includes more veggies and leafy stuff per day than most folks on the SAD eat in a week. WRT the GO diet claim about ketosis, it's a miracle for many morbidly obese folks for whom it turns down the appestat like nothing else. In their case, weight loss will progress better because they find it easier to eat much less. But for too many folks with something to sell, they may be ignoring complexity. To a hammer, everything's a nail. Susan Hey Quentin: It surprised me that you did not say anything in this thread about turmeric (curcumin) as an inhibitor of methylglyoxal. ;) If ketosis results in methylglyoxal production there are plenty of ways to inhibit this and other AGE precusors. Methylglyoxal and Advanced Glycation Endproducts: New Therapeutic Horizons? - http://tinyurl.com/2l5s65 turmeric+oxidative+stress - http://tinyurl.com/32llb9 Frank > I recall reading on a website (one Irish sounding name and one > Jewish sounding name) that published a more sensible version of low [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that according to them being in ketosis seemed to slow down weight > loss. Frank Wrote: > say anything in this thread about > turmeric (curcumin) as an inhibitor of methylglyoxal. ;) If ketosis > results in methylglyoxal production there are plenty of ways to inhibit > this and other AGE precusors. Thanks Frank, Thats a usefull contribution!! Randy > >so.............. if you are losing weight, you are in ketosis, > >regardless of what diet you are on Not when hungrier. Hyperketonemia kills hunger. > >this must mean that losing weight is dangerous Again, not when hungrier by eating less down to the optimal amount. > >????????? what is your conclusion? Hunger is wonderful. > >kate > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that according to them being in ketosis seemed to slow down weight > loss. In our collective clinical experience, hyperketonemia does halt loss of the black inside fat (VAT) when it kills the hunger. > Unfortunately we live in a world that still seems to equate ultra low > carb diets with Atkins and for his beliefs to persist. This is happening because of the powerful delusion arising from the false belief that hunger is starvation. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > Please note that ketosis (via Atkins, Taubes recommendations) might > lead to increased methylglyoxal. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Key Words: Atkins diet * ketosis * methylglyoxal * acetone * acetol Instead of dieting, it remains wiser to simply eat, less down to the optimal amount, thereby losing the "black inside fat" curing insulin resistance and often also curing the type-2 diabetes: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy Illustrative case example from alt.support.diabetes: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/565dcf43b835714d? This completely free Approach comes with free cardiologist support via usenet plus an unprecedented two million dollar guarantee whose details have been freely posted and discussed in sci.med.cardiology as archived by Google: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight Hunger is wonderful :-) It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish however: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 12:35 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > ra...@val.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How's the job? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > ra...@val.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > How's the job? Doing what GOD wants me to do is wonderful work that does not feel like a job :-))) http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight On Jan 14, 12:31 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > ra...@val.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I mean the employment. Found any paying work yet? > > > How's the job? > > Doing what GOD wants me to do is wonderful work that does not feel > > like a job :-))) > I mean the employment. Found any paying work yet Perhaps it works like this: "Blessed are the unemployable, For they shall recieve job skills, and get jobs in high growth industries." Perhaps: "Blessed are the sociopaths, for they shall be recieved into Heaven's society and treated well." gawd made me a celiac and good people want me to eat the staff of life. On Jan 15, 12:33 pm, "fellaj.s." <" jsfk.dhimi001"@mailnull.com> wrote: > gawd made me a celiac > and good people want me to eat the staff of life. ouch.... poignant on so many levels.... fellaj.s. wrote: > gawd made me a celiac > and good people want me to eat the staff of life. Carbs can be from non-wheat (non-gluten) sources such as rice. Truth is simple: http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight > fellaj.s. wrote: >> gawd made me a celiac [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight Idiot. Rice *contains* plenty of carbohydrates, you don't magically make carbs "out of" rice. Or did you just copy someone else's notes in organic chemistry, like you seem to have failed to actually learn anything about nutrition? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > fellaj.s. wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Idiot. Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > Rice *contains* plenty of carbohydrates, you don't magically > make carbs "out of" rice. Suspect your brain is malfunctioning because of hypoglycemia. Glucose is essential for normal brain function. Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about this. Simply print out a copy of this post to guide your doctor(s) so that s/ he will know to check your blood glucose and make appropriate adjustments in your oral hypoglycemic medications to prevent possible future occurrences of hypoglycemia. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > I mean the employment. GOD has me working as an employer at the moment. > Found any paying work yet? Being an employer is more fun... ... simply ask your boss :-))) Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be smart: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Prounced > Being an employer is more fun... > > ... simply ask your boss :-))) OAF Satan especially has sinister fun employing all his shoe and sock puppets. Living the 2 PD OMER Approach is blessed and defeats Satan Andres B. Chinga President Of OMER Productions (POOP) OMER Approach Facts (OAF) is Part of OMER Productions satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Satan especially has sinister fun employing all his shoe and sock > puppets. Your masterbation is not employment, satan. Bottom line: You remain that liar and murderer you have been from the outset as it is written in Scripture. May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity in the manner and with the time HE wants: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful :-) It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish however: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Our Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD did spurt out > Your masterbation is not employment, satan. OMER Approach Facts (OAF) Satan and his puppets and followers do masturbate and so their seed is flushed down the toilet instead of "going forth and multiplying" There is much good discerning to show that masturbation can make you blind and even bald in later life. If you look at the pictures of our Lawful Steward, you will see he has a full head of hair and does not wear glasses. What more do we need to know in our discerning hearts that Dr. Chung is not associated with Satan at all. Plant your seed where it will grow and flourish Andres B. Chinga President Of OMER Productions (POOP) OMER Approach Facts (OAF) is Part of OMER Productions > Our Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD did spurt out > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > President Of OMER Productions (POOP) > OMER Approach Facts (OAF) is Part of OMER Productions The rumors that Dr. Chung had hair transplants and Lasek eye surgery to hide the fact that he masturbates are the work of Satan and his puppets and are false. A benefactor has offered 5 million dollars to anyone who can prove those Angry Blasphemous Charges (ABC) against Andrew B. Chung are true. Insert your seed where it will multiply Andres B. Chinga President Of OMER Productions (POOP) OMER Approach Facts (OAF) is Part of OMER Productions > > Our Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD did spurt out > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > to hide the fact that he masturbates are the work of Satan and his > puppets and are false. That wasn't Cato from The Green Hornet? >>> Our Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD did spurt out >>>> Your masterbation is not employment, satan. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > That wasn't Cato from The Green Hornet? No, no, Cato had that thing going with Robin. More seriously, or not, do not mock Bruce Lee (the actor who played Cato on television). > >>> Our Lawful Steward Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD did spurt out > >>>> Your masterbation is not employment, satan. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > More seriously, or not, do not mock Bruce Lee (the actor who played Cato on television). Only question is, when did he fall in with OJ Simpson? On Jan 15, 4:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > - Show quoted text - So you haven't found work since you were fired, eh? On Jan 17, 3:56 pm, Tunderbar > So you haven't found work since you were fired, eh? I am God's coworker. (2 Corinthians 6:1, 1 Corinthians 3:9) On Jan 14, 1:31 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > Doing what GOD wants me to do is wonderful work that does not feel > like a job :-))) You're a goldbrick. We figured that out eight months ago. On Jan 16, 4:13 pm, Ferd Farkel <frdf...@yahoo.com> > You're a goldbrick. > > We figured that out eight months ago. The Magi presented Jesus with gold, frankincense and myrrh. These gifts were very prophetic for they spoke of our Lord's offices of King, Priest, and Savior. GOLD: This carries obvious significance. It's precious and worthy across all cultures and times. It's a gift fit for royalty. It says to the Christ child, You will be a King On Jan 16, 8:54 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 16, 4:13 pm, Ferd Farkel <frdf...@yahoo.com> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > across all cultures and times. It's a gift fit for royalty. It says to > the Christ child, You will be a King A box of Huggies and a rubber duckie would be far more appropriate (and cheaper) shower gifts, don't you think? On Jan 17, 9:24 pm, Ferd Farkel > A box of Huggies and a rubber duckie would be far > more appropriate (and cheaper) shower gifts, don't you > think? Speak what would be appropriate for yourself. Matthew 2:1-12 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. On Jan 17, 10:42 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 17, 9:24 pm, Ferd Farkel > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Speak what would be appropriate for yourself. Three Vicodin and an embalming fluid chaser. > On Jan 16, 8:54 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On Jan 16, 4:13 pm, Ferd Farkel <frdf...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > more appropriate (and cheaper) shower gifts, don't you > think? Umm. This was 2000 years ago. Bedclothes for the baby, and some nice nails for his father the carpenter to make his crib when they get home. But money is always for families of newborns, and nice ointments are good. Dateline Mableton Georgia In a surprise President Bush accompanied Moses Wüste and the Third Tablet with the 11th Commandment which says THOU SHALL NOT BE HUNGRY. President Bush announced that nationally January will be HUNGER IS NOT GOOD month. We have tried to contact Dr. Chung to get his comments but he was not able to make a comment at that time. We do have a picture of how he is handling this situation. Andres B. Chinga, who is President of OMER Productions (POOP) said this is how the Lawful Steward, Dr. Chunga deals with facts and truths with which he disagrees. Mr Chinga said Dr. Chung uses the sand as it is like being in the desert with Moses when God instructed him about an omer of manna a day. http://alexkoritz.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/head-in-sand.jpg Updates to follow > Dateline Mableton Georgia > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Updates to follow I think "Chunka" would be funnier than "Chinga". But that's just my taste. On Jan 18, 10:51 am, Nico Kadel-Garcia > I think "Chunka" would be funnier than "Chinga". But that's just my taste. In Spanish Chinga is used like "f.ck." http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Que+La+Chinga Many other names have been based on German words http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Wüste, like in Moses Wüste, is German for desert and others have not been as complimentary. > On Jan 18, 10:51 am, Nico Kadel-Garcia >> I think "Chunka" would be funnier than "Chinga". But that's just my taste. > > In Spanish Chinga is used like "f.ck." > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Que+La+Chinga Well, use. Puedo hablar Espan~ol See the "Garcia" in my last name? It's a really rude word, and I think that calling him a big "Chunka" would be funnier. > Many other names have been based on German words > > http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en > > Wüste, like in Moses Wüste, is German for desert and others have not > been as complimentary. On Jan 18, 3:58 pm, Nico Kadel-Garcia > Well, use. Puedo hablar Espan~ol See the "Garcia" in my last name? It's a really rude word, and I think that calling him a big "Chunka" would be funnier. Yes it is, but still commonly used by many, and went with Andres as a first name. It is certainly not the first time it has been used in SCM and will probably not be the last. Ok, who has been feeding the trolls? You know if you leave food out they never go away!!! > Ok, who has been feeding the trolls? satan's sockpuppets (corporeal demons) are fed by satan. > You know if you leave food out they never go away!!! Wiser to simply rebuke satan and move on: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan <>< May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful :-) It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish however: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. After a lavish banquet and speeches and an official presentation of the Third Tablet with the 11th Commandment which says THOU SHALL NOT BE HUNGRY, the festivities ended. Helmut Fischer the German Angelfish mogul who developed the new way of trolling for angelfish supplied the angelfish for all the guests. Individual Angel food cakes, in the form of a tablet on a bed of sand ground up nuts like sand in the desert were made for everyone for dessert A motorcade was then formed which moved to the Sacred Place where the 11th Tablet will be stored, To protect it, an honor guard made up of a US service man, a Georgia State police officer and a Mableton Georgia police officer will guard it around the clock. There is still no news about the whereabouts of Dr Andrew B Chung, who advocated the now defunct 2 PD OMER Approach. Today in South Carolina because of the upcoming Presidential primaries, the Democratic candidates held a hot dog eating contest and the Republicans a pecan pie eating contest to see who could eat the most and prove they did not believe in Chung. Amazingly, it was a tie with no clear cut winner because that could have decided the whole nomination process. In the Presidential race, they are thinking of doing away with the debates and just having eating contests. The Food Channel may be the place for political news. Updates about the campaign and the whereabouts of Dr. Chung will come out as needed. Previously in the news > Dateline Mableton Georgia > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Updates to follow On Jan 18, 7:25 pm, J666 > In the Presidential race, they are thinking of doing away with the > debates and just having eating contests. > > The Food Channel may be the place for political news. That is what God wants. "Hunger Sucks" GOD said on the 7th Day of Creation as he realized he did not create all that meat, vegetables and fruit for nothing. > > On Jan 16, 8:54 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On Jan 16, 4:13 pm, Ferd Farkel <frdf...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Umm. This was 2000 years ago. Bedclothes for the baby, and some nice nails for his father the carpenter to make his crib when they get home. But money is always for families of newborns, and nice ointments are good.- Hide quoted text - Thoughts on the street value of frankincense and myrrh, circa 0 AD? I'm thinking like Cocaine in the 70s. Gold is always high (though many experts believe it's overvalued at the moment. Which has no bearing on the street value of Gold, circa 0 AD). > > > On Jan 16, 8:54 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> On Jan 16, 4:13 pm, Ferd Farkel <frdf...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > Umm. This was 2000 years ago. Bedclothes for the baby, and some nice nails for his father the carpenter to make his crib when they get home. But money is always for families of newborns, and nice ointments are good.- Hide quoted text - In a week comes the bris. Will it be catered, and who will pay? Usually, that means the grandparents. > Thoughts on the street value of frankincense and myrrh, circa > 0 AD? I'm thinking like Cocaine in the 70s. Incense and deodorant. A bar of Irish Spring would be cheaper. > Gold is always high (though many experts believe it's overvalued > at the moment. Which has no bearing on the street value of > Gold, circa 0 AD). I'd put my money on technology. If we can regenerate a living rat heart, human limbs aren't far behind. On Jan 18, 11:04 pm, Father Haskell > I'd put my money on technology. If we can regenerate a living > rat heart, human limbs aren't far behind. I can do all things through Christ, who gives me the strength I need. (Philippians 4:13) On Jan 19, 12:53 am, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 18, 11:04 pm, Father Haskell > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can do all things through Christ, who gives me the strength I need. > (Philippians 4:13) I propose a test. Saw off your foot and beg your Jeebly Crust for a new one. Report back. (NO anesthesia. Let Jebus be your Novocaine.) On Jan 19, 1:45 pm, Father Haskell > I propose a test. Saw off your foot and beg your Jeebly Crust for > a new one. Report back. (NO anesthesia. Let Jebus be your > Novocaine.) You do seem to be very cruel for a "Father" - I worry for your children "I am a branch on Christ's vine." [John 15:1,5] On Jan 19, 2:55 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 19, 1:45 pm, Father Haskell > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You do seem to be very cruel for a "Father" - I worry for your > children Young Edward grew up to become vice president of your fair and happy land. He turned out fine, and he'd be the pride of any parent, even the godless baby eating ones. To think he wanted to work on a fishing trawler. > "I am a branch on Christ's vine." [John 15:1,5] I recommend the saw be filed and set prior to commencing the experiment. 8 point, crosscut. Rip teeth will jam on your Achilles tendon, and you'll have to finish with a bypass lopper. Apply the tourniquet FIRST, so you don't bleed to death like a fool amateur. Have a pot of boiling tar ready to cauterize the wound. On Jan 19, 2:33 pm, Father Haskell >Have a pot of boiling tar ready to > cauterize the wound. I will leave it to you for the boiling water as you being in Hell the water is already hot. I am saved by grace through faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9 > On Jan 19, 2:55 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On Jan 19, 1:45 pm, Father Haskell [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > like a fool amateur. Have a pot of boiling tar ready to > cauterize the wound. No, no. Let's not do anything quite so drastic: I don't like wishing such disasters on people, lest they occur accidentally or deliberately and I feel guilty for it. But I've occasionally wished he'd break his thumbs and be unable to type for a few months, to help these groups recover. On Jan 19, 5:45 pm, Nico Kadel-Garcia > No, no. Let's not do anything quite so drastic: I don't like wishing such disasters on people, lest they occur accidentally or deliberately and I feel guilty for it. But I've occasionally wished he'd break his thumbs and be unable to type for a few months, to help these groups recover. Thank you for not being as cruel as "Father" Haskell. Wonder if "Father" Haskell is familiar with [Psalms 117:1-2] O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD. On Jan 19, 8:38 pm, andrewbch...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 19, 5:45 pm, Nico Kadel-Garcia > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the > LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD. For being the alleged creator of the universe, god sure is a boring writer. > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > For being the alleged creator of the universe, god sure is > a boring writer. GOD did not write that verse but rather HE inspired it. Bottom line: You remain pathologically untruthful. This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForFerd Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Andrew B. Chung, > GOD did not write that verse but rather HE inspired it. I thought god expired. On Jan 26, 6:37 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yeah your'e an MD/PhD and I am the crowned prince of England. You are a kook and know nothing about what you speak. Since I (and millions of others) have been low carbing not only have I experienced weight loss but, but also more mental clarity and much more energy. Also God has nothing whatsoever to do with what you eat, how you eat it, and how healthy you are. Go back to your fantasy land and stay there. On Jan 28, 10:43 am, manatee68 <rockin...@gmail >Since I (and millions of > others) have been low carbing not only have I experienced weight loss > but, but also more mental clarity and much more energy. Also God has > nothing whatsoever to do with what you eat, how you eat it, and how > healthy you are. It seems that God instructed Moses regarding the diet during the Exodus which was good for many people over 40 years. You certainly have the choice to ignore the Word of GOD, but at your own peril. "This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Each one is to gather as much as he needs. Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.' " [Exodus 16:16] > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Yeah your'e an MD/PhD That is how GOD has shaped me. Laus Deo ! ! ! > and I am the crowned prince of England. Ok. > You are a kook and know nothing about what you speak. Your name-calling simply shows that you are projecting and lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special... ... we are simply forgiven: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. OH-BROTHER! I am most definitly a Christian, but ya know this is way over the edge, I think you may need a Psychiatrist. >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay > OH-BROTHER! Were that you were my sister. > I am most definitly a Christian, Many are believers but at this time, few are Jesus' brethren. > but ya know this is way over the edge, I > think you may need a Psychiatrist. Your false witness is forgiven by me. This simply shows that you are not Jesus' brethren. May you come to know GOD... http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD ... by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 28, 10:43 am, manatee68 >Since I (and millions of > others) have been low carbing Yes, as it is written in the Bible Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' " [Matthew 4:4] On Jan 26, 6:37 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > convicted neighbor Ferd Farkel wrote: > > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: > > > convicted neighbor Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: <<< SNIP >>> > Yeah your'e an MD/PhD and I am the crowned prince of England. <<SNIP>> PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL, HE LOVES IT. DON'T HELP HIM. But if you must, please stop cross-posting like a glob of feces dropped on a hard surface from a height. Thank You. On Jan 26, 6:37 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > convicted neighbor Ferd Farkel wrote: > > friend doppleganger (andrewbch...@yahoo.com) wrote: > > > convicted neighbor Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: <<< SNIP >>> > Yeah your'e an MD/PhD and I am the crowned prince of England. <<SNIP>> PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL, HE LOVES IT. DON'T HELP HIM. But if you must, please stop cross-posting like a glob of feces dropped on a hard surface from a height. Thank You. On Jan 28, 11:41 am, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" > "manatee68" > > But if you must, please stop cross-posting like a glob of feces dropped on a > hard surface from a height. > > Thank You. Yes, you do describe the posts of "manatee68" perfectly Look to the Bible. "And God spoke all these words:" [Exodus 20:1] > On Jan 14, 1:31 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > We figured that out eight months ago. I thought he had found the contraption used by Richard Depew, that connected his keyboard keys to his glans deferens. C'mon Randy. Even the reference you posted http://www.biochemsoctrans.org/bst/031/1400/0311400.pdf says that the major danger of methylglyoxal comes from high blood sugars. OK, so methylglyoxal increases under ketosis. But methylglyoxal is only one of many dozens of AGE generating species. This report is an interesting data point, but before I believe your conclusion about Atkins I want to see something that measures the overall AGE- generating environment in ketotic and non-ketotic states. Adam Becker Sr |
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