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If you want to ban all semi-automatic machine guns, then you will     vote for Barack Obama

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georgeching2008@gmail.com - 10 Jan 2008 05:27 GMT
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

This is why Barack Obama is the man to vote for, as a young black man
who grew up in the violent urban ghetto, he alone has a unique
perspective regarding the violence perpetrated with illegal guns.
Here are five points that Mr. Obama addresses at the link above and my
endorsement of those positions.

1. Keeping all guns out of inner cities

This is a no-brainer.  Everyone who lives in such areas knows that gun
violence is a way of life.  Every city that has a population exceeding
100,000 loses nearly 1% of that population every year to illegal
gunfire.  IMO, this does not go far enough, an across the board ban is
necessary to eliminate the skyrocketing gun violence crime rate that
has been plaguing the United States.

2. Ban all forms of semi-automatic weapons

There is no legitimate use for any gun that automatically chambers
round after round so that you can fire as quickly as the finger can
squeeze them out.  All these military machine guns are good for is
toting a bunch of them up into an observation tower and opening fire
on innocent neighborhoods.  Millions of these machine guns are sold
every year to people who go on shooting rampages.  Anyone who doesn't
surrender their machine guns should be jailed, all their assets
seized.  We need to crack down hard on these violent people who
disobey the law.

3. Increase restrictions on other firearms

There should be a 100% tax on all new gun purchases as well as yearly
licensing fees based on 100% of the original purchase price (or
current assessed value) whichever is higher.  This will force gun
huggers to pay the price for their violence and the violence of their
gun hugging buddies, the funds will be used to build prisons and
supply dollars to legal funds for suing manufacturers and the families
of criminals who commit gun crimes.  A person applying for a gun
permit should also be required to pay for their own background
investigation and every new and seperate purchase needs to have a new
and seperate background investigation followed by yearly followup
investigations.

4. Require all guns to be child proofed

If a gun cannot be effectively child proofed then it needs to be
banned.  One dead child is one too many, the ridiculous
misinterpretation of the Second Amendment by gun huggers be damned.

5. Continue to insure that manufactures are sued for gun crime

The levy that should be imposed under item number 3 should help fund
lawsuits against gun manufacturers.  When a company like Colt or
Remington produce a gun, they know that there is a chance that gun
could be used in a crime and that makes them complicit and an
accessory.  Every single time a gun crime is committed, the
manufacturer should be sued, the gun lobby should be sued, and the
family of the perpetrator should be sued.

You can save yourselves the pain of all this now and relent to having
guns banned.  If there are no guns, there are no gun crimes, and there
is no need to sue you for being a proponent of violence.

Barack Obama '08 - no more guns in America
Ankylosaurus - 10 Jan 2008 05:30 GMT
> http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
>
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>
> Barack Obama '08 - no more guns in America

You and he will burn in HELL!
nc@gntbcr.com - 10 Jan 2008 11:45 GMT
>> http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

>> 1. Keeping all guns out of inner cities
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> necessary to eliminate the skyrocketing gun violence crime rate that
>> has been plaguing the United States.

This is for iching.

Hey IDIOT,  Washington DC has the worst murder record in the U.S. and
guns are BANNED there.  And their murder rate is 60 per one hundred
thousand.  About twenty times LESS than the idiocy you posted.

Go learn math.
Grandpa Chuck - 11 Jan 2008 02:57 GMT
What a line of pure hate filled this entire thread is and it has no
place whatever in ASD.
krom - 11 Jan 2008 06:37 GMT
Not to get political but what i saw pre NH primary was similar to the harold
ford TN election where the white candidate ran adds of a white woman saying
in a sexy way "hi harold call me!" to the camera ignighting the old racial
fears of a black man with a white woman..even though the ad was a lie..and
so what if he did date a white woman?..but the ad worked..he lost.

Well the day after barack won iowa the news channels spamed the so called
obama girl every five minutes and hilary crying...so a  moron who just
stumbles across the news would get the subliminal message the naughty black
man with his young trollip made tho old sad white woman cry..

The women who voted for hiliray were asked why and many  said they did so
because they felt barack was a bully and picking on hilary..which was far
from true in fact was the reverse so we can see how the media can skew
things.

I personally felt her tears were in frustration that we all did step in line
to her whims as shes used to..NOT because she so strong for change and the
other candiates were not as she claimed.

But that my opinion only..lol

<shrug>

KROM

> What a line of pure hate filled this entire thread is and it has no
> place whatever in ASD.
Lobby Dosser - 10 Jan 2008 05:34 GMT
> http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
>
> This is why Barack Obama is the man to vote for, as a young black man
> who grew up in the violent urban ghetto,

The closest he ever got to a violent urban ghetto was flying into LA.

FOOL!
gatt - 10 Jan 2008 15:27 GMT
How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
guns"?

-c
Seth Hammond - 10 Jan 2008 17:10 GMT
> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
> guns"?
>
> -c

Any rifle made to hold multiple rounds is easily converted to full
automatic.  All you need do is file off the sear.  One touch to the trigger
will fire all rounds in RAPID succession.  Have fun....
Bill Shatzer - 10 Jan 2008 18:51 GMT
>>How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>guns"?

> Any rifle made to hold multiple rounds is easily converted to full
> automatic.

Well, certainly not a Mauser 98K nor a 1903 Springfield.

> All you need do is file off the sear.  One touch to the trigger
> will fire all rounds in RAPID succession.  Have fun....

In theory, yes.  In practice, highly doubtful.

I won't go into the gory details but that approach is most unlikely to
work for a number of reasons. Basically, you'll likely ruin a perfectly
good gun.

There is a reason why full auto weapons have an automatic sear. Having
the hammer going forward at the same time the bolt is doesn't work. Or
works sufficiently sporadically as to be practically useless.

Peace and justice,
Seth Hammond - 10 Jan 2008 19:44 GMT
>>>How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>>guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> In theory, yes.  In practice, highly doubtful.

Keep your theory if you like.  I've done the practice.  YMMV.

> I won't go into the gory details but that approach is most unlikely to
> work for a number of reasons. Basically, you'll likely ruin a perfectly
> good gun.

Or hear one looong Bang!

> There is a reason why full auto weapons have an automatic sear. Having the
> hammer going forward at the same time the bolt is doesn't work. Or works
> sufficiently sporadically as to be practically useless.
>
> Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer - 11 Jan 2008 00:52 GMT
>>>>How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>>>guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Keep your theory if you like.  I've done the practice.  YMMV.

Ya' gotta be careful 'bout what you post ya' know.

Unless you've got a license to manufacture machine guns, you could be
getting a five year vacation at a federal institution for doing that
sort of thing - if it would work.

But it won't and you don't and you didn't. So you're safe from the ATG
jackbooted thugs.

>>I won't go into the gory details but that approach is most unlikely to
>>work for a number of reasons. Basically, you'll likely ruin a perfectly
>>good gun.

> Or hear one looong Bang!

Proally not that.

>>There is a reason why full auto weapons have an automatic sear. Having the
>>hammer going forward at the same time the bolt is doesn't work. Or works
>>sufficiently sporadically as to be practically useless.

Noting again, there IS a reason why fully automatic weapons have a
second automatic sear.  Filing off the regular trigger sear won't get
you where you claim to have gone.

Peace and justice,
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 06:02 GMT
> Peace and justice,

Lies and shatzie,
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 17:18 GMT
> Peace and justice,

Bam and your a.s!
nc@gntbcr.com - 11 Jan 2008 02:36 GMT
>>>>How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>>>guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Keep your theory if you like.  I've done the practice.  YMMV.

Oh, thanks for that.  Nothing like having an idiot admit to violating
FEDERAL LAW.  Care to post your current location?

>> I won't go into the gory details but that approach is most unlikely to
>> work for a number of reasons. Basically, you'll likely ruin a perfectly
>> good gun.
>
>Or hear one looong Bang!

Let me guess.  You also like loading black powder into pipes with
screw caps on both ends.
mrmcafee - 11 Jan 2008 15:32 GMT
>>>>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>>>> guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Let me guess.  You also like loading black powder into pipes with
> screw caps on both ends.

Seth uses a MIG welder to secure the caps. Threads are for sissies.

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     Mesa, AZ
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Seth Hammond - 11 Jan 2008 16:50 GMT
>>>>>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic
>>>>>> machine guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Seth uses a MIG welder to secure the caps. Threads are for sissies.

50 years or so ago, my friend Jerry built a black powder pipe bomb wrapped
tightly in fine wire.  He took it to the middle of a small lake/large pond
and lowered it to the bottom, trailing detonation wire to shore.  He set it
off with a car battery.  The resulting tidal wave damaged several boats on
shore.  Jerry had a police record at age 12.
gatt - 11 Jan 2008 17:17 GMT
> 50 years or so ago, my friend Jerry built a black powder pipe bomb wrapped
> tightly in fine wire.  He took it to the middle of a small lake/large pond
> and lowered it to the bottom, trailing detonation wire to shore.  He set
> it off with a car battery.  The resulting tidal wave damaged several boats
> on shore.  Jerry had a police record at age 12.

Marine EODs call that "Du Pont fishing."

-c
Seth Hammond - 11 Jan 2008 18:01 GMT
>> 50 years or so ago, my friend Jerry built a black powder pipe bomb
>> wrapped tightly in fine wire.  He took it to the middle of a small
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Marine EODs call that "Du Pont fishing."

Calling fish by old wall phones is even easier.  Rotenone also works well.
gatt - 11 Jan 2008 17:16 GMT
>> Let me guess.  You also like loading black powder into pipes with
>> screw caps on both ends.

WhoTF doesn't?!

Baby food jars and those little 12-gram CO2 canisters are great too.
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
> Peace and justice,

Guns and Ammo,
gatt - 11 Jan 2008 00:51 GMT
>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>> guns"?

> Any rifle made to hold multiple rounds is easily converted to full
> automatic.  All you need do is file off the sear.  One touch to the
> trigger will fire all rounds in RAPID succession.  Have fun....

Yeah, but, how many "machine guns" are "semi-automatic?"   I'm just
sayin'...  if the guy can name one, I might have a cause for concern.
Otherwise, they can have my phasers when they pry them from my cold, dead,
titanium Terminator hands.

-c
Seth Hammond - 11 Jan 2008 16:58 GMT
>>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic
>>> machine guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Otherwise, they can have my phasers when they pry them from my cold, dead,
> titanium Terminator hands.

The M-2 Carbine was not only selectable from full automatic to
semi-automatic, it was also the US Army's fastest firing weapon in full
auto.
nc@gntbcr.com - 11 Jan 2008 02:34 GMT
>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>> guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>automatic.  All you need do is file off the sear.  One touch to the trigger
>will fire all rounds in RAPID succession.  Have fun....

Don't know sh.t about guns do you?  Yah, filing off the sear will make
the gun slam fire.  Works OK on 22's.  Once you pull the trigger, all
the rounds come out.  So you have in effect a single shot weapon that
can't be aimed.  

Now, you try that with an AK or AR15, you will get an open bolt fire.
Without the bolt being held in place, like it was DESIGNED, the bolt
slams back, maybe thru the back of the receiver and into your face, if
you were using the sights instead of firing "gangsta" style or the
early ignition ignites the other rounds in the magazine.

How many "gun conversions" aka machine guns, do cops and the feds
ACTUALLY get in a year?  Maybe 100 in the entire U.S.?

Go prop up another straw man.
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
> guns"?
>
> -c

All Thompsons, Brens, most modern assault rifles, etc.
gatt - 11 Jan 2008 00:52 GMT
>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>> guns"?
>>
>> -c
>
> All Thompsons, Brens, most modern assault rifles, etc.

Those aren't "machine guns" though, are they?

(A Thompson, for example, is a submachine gun.)
-c
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 06:01 GMT
>>> How many weapons would be outlawed if they banned "semi-automatic machine
>>> guns"?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Those aren't "machine guns" though, are they?

Not Gattling style anyway.

> (A Thompson, for example, is a submachine gun.)
> -c

Fair definitive, but it functions similarly.
Ankylosaurus - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
>> http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> FOOL!
"...flying into los angeles...bringing in a  couple of keys..."
Lobby Dosser - 11 Jan 2008 05:15 GMT
>>> http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> FOOL!
> "...flying into los angeles...bringing in a  couple of keys..."

mister don't check my luggage, please ...
mrmcafee - 10 Jan 2008 06:33 GMT
Is a "semi-automatic machine gun anything like a single shot repeating
rifle?

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gatt - 10 Jan 2008 15:27 GMT
> Is a "semi-automatic machine gun anything like a single shot repeating
> rifle?

"Phased-plasma rifle in the 40-watt range..."
"Hey, just what you see, pal."      -Terminator
Seth Hammond - 10 Jan 2008 17:05 GMT
> Is a "semi-automatic machine gun anything like a single shot repeating
> rifle?

sh.t for brains hoplophobes don't know one gun from another.  They've proven
it over and over.  Pay no attention to their wild maunderings - aside from
laughing at them.
Don Homuth - 10 Jan 2008 17:08 GMT
>sh.t for brains hoplophobes don't know one gun from another.  They've proven
>it over and over.

Clearly there are some gun fondlers who aren't aware that there are no
"semi-automatic machine guns" either.
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
>> sh.t for brains hoplophobes don't know one gun from another.  They've proven
>> it over and over.
>
> Clearly there are some gun fondlers who aren't aware that there are no
> "semi-automatic machine guns" either.
http://www.auto-ordnance.com/
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
> sh.t for brains hoplophobes

You have become fixated, reboot.
Ankylosaurus - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
> Is a "semi-automatic machine gun

Dolt, it's a Thompson with no full auto - semi-auto only.
Don Homuth - 10 Jan 2008 16:51 GMT
If it's truly a Machine Gun, it's not semi-automatic.

We now return you to your regular ranting, already in progress.
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 00:03 GMT
> If it's truly a Machine Gun, it's not semi-automatic.

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/
nc@gntbcr.com - 11 Jan 2008 02:42 GMT
>> If it's truly a Machine Gun, it's not semi-automatic.
>
>http://www.auto-ordnance.com/

Thanks for posting the ad.  Did you notice that all the RIFLES had 18
inch barrels?  And they are SEMI-AUTOMATIC!  Do you even know what
that means?

BTW, a registered 1927 Thompson SUBMACHINE gun sells for about
$25,000.  Think many gangsta's carry them?
Triceratops - 11 Jan 2008 06:24 GMT
>>> If it's truly a Machine Gun, it's not semi-automatic.
>> http://www.auto-ordnance.com/
>
> Thanks for posting the ad.  Did you notice that all the RIFLES had 18
> inch barrels?  

Yes.

> And they are SEMI-AUTOMATIC!  Do you even know what
> that means?

Mmm hmmm...

> BTW, a registered 1927 Thompson SUBMACHINE gun sells for about
> $25,000.  Think many gangsta's carry them?

Not likely.

Wish I had one though.
 
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