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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / February 2008consensual pedophilia is ok
If you have engaged in consensual sexual conduct with a minor and have not used force, intimidation, deception, or drugs, then you are innocent of wrongdoing. The pe do philia scare is a fake. It is not harmful. That is why they refuse to allow anyone to discuss the issue openly. It would reveal that there is much evidence that it is harmless and can be beneficial. check out these sources: Anthropologist Gilbert Herdt on the culture of the Sambia people. The Rind Report written by two Temple University psychology professors. http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:5_cDvp1pEkwJ:www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/me taana.pdf+the+rind+report&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=th The work of professor Harris Mirkin: http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/mirkin_rind_text.htm "Harmful to Minors" by journalist Judith Levine "Love Against Hate" by Karl Meninger, M.D. Look at this site for new perspectives: Newgon.com It is even mentioned as common practice in the opera Don Giovanni by Mozart. The sex hysteria is being used as a pretext to distract the people from the failings of the government and to make them fear the government. Have you noticed that NGO's and DA's claim to speak for children, but they never allow the children to speak for themselves? Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way", right? God help us... Eric B. > If you have engaged in consensual sexual conduct with a minor and have > not used force, intimidation, deception, or drugs, then [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Have you noticed that NGO's and DA's claim to speak for children, but > they never allow the children to speak for themselves? >Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as >homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way", >right? Are they diabetic?  SignatureBlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 May 2007 A1c 5.5 Oct 2007 Yellow Belt! Yeah! In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.# <682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B." <bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote: > Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as > homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way", > right? > > God help us... What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'? SignatureDonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack! "There is no moment like the present. The man who will not execute his resolutions when they are fresh upon him can have no hope from them afterwards: they will be dissipated, lost, and perish in the hurry and scurry of the world, or sunk in the slough of indolence." - Maria Edgeworth >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.# ><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'? the original post was not about protecting children from pedophiles which is always a good thing. It was about wrongfully equating homosexuality with pedophilia in an attempt to continue spreading hate towards gays. World wide, the majority of all pedophiles even those males who attack boys are heterosexuals. This fact is rarely discussed amongst those with an agenda of hate. And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen of homophobia. 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In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:50:05 -0500 in Msg.# <att1o3tkvi0s49du3lrdfo7t1o0c595970@4ax.com>, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > the original post was not about protecting children from pedophiles > which is always a good thing. It was about wrongfully equating [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen > of homophobia. Well put. Pedophiles are almost exclusively non-gay men. Gay & straight don't really even relate to pedophile status. And, victims are male & female. And, in some cases, even though pedophiles may have a gender of choice, they will settle for the other gender. The age range may even be more important to them than gender, oddly. But, Mack, I think children go unprotected for many reasons & have for many dozens of years. Another abhorrent one, besides the homophobic smoke screen, is adults not believing children making accusations. SignatureDonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack! "One resolution I have made, and try always to keep, is this: To rise above little things." - John Burroughs (1837-1921) >>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.# >><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B." [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen >of homophobia. Amen brother. I have never met a homosexual male that actively recruited boys to homosexuality. OTOH, as a teen I did become acquainted with a gay boy who was close to three years older than me who others told me if he got a chance he would attempt to seduce me. He did and I told him that I was attracted to only girls. I doubt very much if he did that once he reached adulthood and found out there were places where gay adult men met and socialized. >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.# ><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'? HIistorically, disease takes care of thee problems. On another issue, we have the right to demand others be responsible for their offspring. A few of the billionaire phorn people should have their assets taken and used to support the unfortunate offspring. A strict ,oral code was a problem but now we are seeing the results of it's decay. In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:21:51 -0600 in Msg.# > >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.# > ><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > HIistorically, disease takes care of thee problems. Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course, virii, etc. really don't care who they attack. > On another issue, we have the right to demand others be responsible for > their offspring. > > A few of the billionaire phorn people should have their assets > taken and used to support the unfortunate offspring. Porn?!!! We are going far afield, first disease, now porn. > A strict ,oral code was a problem but now we are seeing the results of it's > decay. I'm in favor of oral health of all kinds, including tooth decay, gum care, etc.. What's that have to do with this? SignatureDonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack! "Resolutions, like the good, die young." - Fulton John Sheen (1895-1979) THINKING LIFE THROUGH [1955] >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course, >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack. What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts, HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know that can and are spread from one woman to another? In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.# <6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course, > >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack. > > What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts, > HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know > that can and are spread from one woman to another? Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so small as to be statistically insignificant. None of the others are exclusive to lesbians. SignatureDonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack! "Every man naturally persuades himself that he can keep his resolutions, nor is he convinced of his imbecility but by length of time and frequency of experiment." - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) PRAYERS AND MEDITATIONS >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.# ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians. no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only. Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for many years now. 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If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.# >><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for >many years now. All kind of excuses circulate about sexually transmitted diseases. The truth it is one of the best ways to transmit disease. Millions carry less fatal diseases that were acquired by multiple sex partners, Many more than are generally publicized. Before antibiotics there were syphilis victims that we saw in mental wards with almost complete lack of function of the upper brain. There may be hundreds items not recognized. It very close contact and not one of sexual preference. It is one of multiple sexual contact. With our nature that is almost impossible to control. When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and consider promiscuous women as sewers. The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem today. AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure. End of a lecture that is needed. Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society. I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by a teasing teen. >When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and >consider promiscuous women as sewers. in his case being old did not make him wise. >The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem >today. > >AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure. > >End of a lecture that is needed. no real lecture on any specifics. >Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society. and never should be. >I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by >a teasing teen. Here's the thing about adults and teasing teens. All it takes is for the adult to act like an adult and the teasing teen becomes an irritant not a temptation to give into. The "adult" is supposed to know when to say NO. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and >>consider promiscuous women as sewers. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >The "adult" is supposed to know when to say NO. Mack, all it takes is for all humans to be fair and decent, then the wars will stop. We are talking real world and thing get very complex. By nature I am not inclined to molest children I also worked on atomic weapons tests. The point is that we have a spectrum of people and the variations. The issue of sex drive which is necessary for our existence. As we see here, there is a variation in will power. I have seen several men ruined but I know who is the culprit. Weakness is not a crime.except by our questionable standards. The dividing line is the sexual maturity of the alleged " child". I know the rules and abide with them in almost every way. A sexual deviate is very hard to define, We know damn well sexual desire is easily damaged so we set tight standards. I do agree with them but so often I see hard headed people misusing them. This group that is so adamant probably have some personal problems. This is the group that yells kill them in a unjustified war. Mack, I raise issues to try to create exchanges, preferably diabetic. >>>When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and >>>consider promiscuous women as sewers. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >Mack, I raise issues to try to create exchanges, preferably diabetic. you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not responsible for their own actions. you have in effect stated that what an adult male chooses to do with a teen female is the females fault. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:51:25 -0500 in Msg.# <q876o35hr19bv0m0iuslca4kuonaai6qat@4ax.com>, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not > responsible for their own actions. > > you have in effect stated that what an adult male chooses to do with a > teen female is the females fault. The Lolita myth. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Wow, I'm in a category with some great, great, great actors, fantastic actors, and I'm overwhelmed, really overwhelmed." _ Philip Seymour Hoffman, best actor, CAPOTE, Oscars Mar 2006 > > you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not > > responsible for their own actions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Lolita myth. we should stop this silly argument about whether the male or the female are the dominant element in relationships. Its pretty much equal. Secondly, we should jettison this ugly notion that the adult is always overpowering in a relationship with a minor. This is a projection we get from authorities in goverment and other institutions. They fantasize a mirror image of what they actually do, as some great evil. They project this fantasy onto some innocent group -- like solitary old women during the Inquisition, or pedophiles in 2008 USA -- then imagine some great enemy is menacing them. this is no unlike the paranoid mentality that Plato attributed to the dictator in his book, The Republic. On 1/15/08 8:42 AM, in article 189d9f04-4fae-4da3-ae16-ac3f9d23f296@s27g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "do the research" <dreamfreak10@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not >>> responsible for their own actions. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > this is no unlike the paranoid mentality that Plato attributed to the > dictator in his book, The Republic. So you feel a 2 or 3 year old consents to sex? You are warped. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >So you feel a 2 or 3 year old consents to sex? You are warped. You are oh so right about kids so very young. However, since the laws are so different from one state to another or one country to another, how old should a girl or boy be in order to decide for themselves? Am I in favor of pedophilia? Hell no, but the question remain. My middle daughter at age sixteen married a man that was 62 with her mother's consent and without my knowledge. They had to go to Missouri to do it because it would have been illegal here in Iowa. My personal opinion is the pervert should have gone to prison for statutory rape and my ex-wife should have gone to jail for child abuse. Then when my youngest daughter was only thirteen her mom allowed a man age 42 to move into the bedroom next to my daughter upstairs while she and her husband slept downstairs. When he was charged with statutory rape my ex claimed she had no idea they had been having sex in the house for over four years. At least he did go to prison. >>So you feel a 2 or 3 year old consents to sex? You are warped. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >ex claimed she had no idea they had been having sex in the house for >over four years. At least he did go to prison. even 30 years are often emotionally and mentally immature. However there is nothing unreasonable with making the age of consent the same age that you are a legal adult. They pedophile/criminal mind always whines about, but we are in love and no one should have the right to dictate yafa yada. Guess what, if the two truly are in love, thy will still be in love several years later. Waiting to have sex will NOT harm true love in any way shape fashion or form. On the other hand if they are truly emotionally and mentally immature, then they will not understand this simple concept. If they are criminals and nut cases like pedophiles, they won't care and they will pressure, manipulate and lie to the minor child. Your daughter, if she had been required to wait could have been spared the abuse she went through. But no-one was acting in her best interests. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> > you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not >> > responsible for their own actions. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >this is no unlike the paranoid mentality that Plato attributed to the >dictator in his book, The Republic. the only nut case paranoid in this thread appears to be you, since no one has suggested any of the BS you wrote above. > no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for > some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some > diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only. > Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for > many years now. As much as the media and SIGs have pushed the concept of AIDS being a great threat to hetrosexuals it remains largely a homosexual and bisexual disease. Eric B. >> no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for >> some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Eric B. you are wrong. People like you who lie to yourselves will pay the price eventually. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for >> some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Eric B. From what I have read on the African continent it is mainly a heterosexual disease. So what does that do to your statement? >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.# ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians. I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement. In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.# <lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.# > ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually > related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement. It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would expand on what I was saying. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "You cannot compromise an artist's vision." - Ed Wood >In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.# ><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would >expand on what I was saying. And doesn't that make your past statements another case of stereotyping without justification? In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:47 GMT in Msg.# <r9k7o39i5u43iugufke3dhmakv1u17ppg2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > >In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.# > ><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > And doesn't that make your past statements another case of > stereotyping without justification? I don't know what you mean, Grandpa Chuck. I'm clueless as to what you're thinking of or referring to. Maybe my brain doesn't like even its first 2 steroid pills. <G> You can help me out on it, if you want to explain. Or not. Up to you, of course. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Truly, it is in darkness that one finds the light, so when we are in sorrow, then this light is nearest of all to us." - Meister Eckhart DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message <0ik7o3p0l0qs3ckj30r6d83cqe205efg1m@4ax.com>... >In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:47 GMT in Msg.# ><r9k7o39i5u43iugufke3dhmakv1u17ppg2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck >> >It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need >> >more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >steroid pills. <G> You can help me out on it, if you want to explain. Or >not. Up to you, of course. Well, he could help me out with it too, since I have no idea what he's talking about either, and I'm not taking steroid pills. :-) Cheri In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:50:11 -0800 in Msg.# <vtednd2fJuRaTh7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message > >I don't know what you mean, Grandpa Chuck. I'm clueless as to what [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, he could help me out with it too, since I have no idea what he's > talking about either, and I'm not taking steroid pills. :-) LOL!! Hmm, that gives me an idea. Do you think it would work if I got someone else to take my steroid pills FOR me? Heh heh. Medication by proxy, ... Nyah, never work. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Beware you are not swallowed up in books. An ounce of love is worth a pound of knowledge." - John Wesley >... Nyah, never work. We can never accept certain sexual concepts. The society sets this standard. Any individual or their ideas only is accepted if they fit in. It is so important to our survival. Example---- I have lost a leg. Is it proper for me to demand everyone change to fit me. Hell NO. It is my problem as are most things. I personally can live with other with different problems as long as their behavior does not intrude on me. I have worked with people that my have different standards. As long as they did the job properly, did not bother others. I had no problem. Gaudy or other silly behavior was not accepted. The general standard applied to all. Mack, Teasing is not a good thing. I do see where some things can provoke some to unacceptable behavior. It is so dominant today to make money. The actions taken against the weak are not proper considering the circumstances.. There is too much two faced thinking in the sexual area. There is a two way street here and the use of buzz word will never change facts., I clearly remember the flack I took for factually describing a very warped person that was a major factor in my life via a divorce. I described this person in common language. I do present views that are for effect. Personally I believed the sexual issue has no place here We are so ignorant about diabetes and many warped, non factual information comes here. It will probably kill a few. Finally there are zillions of mental states and the Internet opens it up for all. I preferred the group when a computer cost thousands and excluded most crackpots. But is here and it does serve a good purpose in so many cases. Mack, you are very intelligent and I always read you. I do not know your background but I sense it is parochial. I see so much differently since I grew up in a very mixed society and find so many things are not in concrete but a quick sand. Mack, last week I saw the world as a spinning thing. Strange. Last night my wife found me in the floor when I tied to get in bed and went out. I do not take much serious now. I have about served my sentence in this mess. Some nuts relish dinging others with no concern of their vile statements You and I know the game, Some others are hurt so be careful. A person whose thinking is different should be careful and quit shouting from the roof tops. That behavior will not serve them well in the long run and will fail. Read history. Take this in the context it is offered. In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:47:56 -0600 in Msg.# I had said: > >... Nyah, never work. > > We can never accept certain sexual concepts. Just FYI, "... Nyah, never work.", although you well know it, Guy, it had nothing at all with anyone, anywhere accepting or not accepting any sexual anything! > Take this in the context it is offered. In this thread I could certainly recommend keeping the context when quoting, too, and in more than one instance!! SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Television has a real problem. They have no page two." - Art Buchwald >In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:47:56 -0600 in Msg.# > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >In this thread I could certainly recommend keeping the context when quoting, >too, and in more than one instance!! I find the entire subject line "consensual pedophilia is ok." to be repugnant. In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:55:15 GMT in Msg.# <jimdo35v7k3p1rapu8bjvkpr741jfv99bc@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > I find the entire subject line "consensual pedophilia is ok." to be > repugnant. I do, too, both the subject line and the subject itself. Of course, I tell myself that changing the subject line would likely just give it more life. And, I remind myself that there is NO SUCH THING as consensual pedophilia, ... but, I agree with you. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "It's just I don't know this woman. I mean not really. So, she has a degree in Sociology, big deal, who doesn't?!" - Lynette, DH, 12-19-04 >In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:55:15 GMT in Msg.# ><jimdo35v7k3p1rapu8bjvkpr741jfv99bc@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >give it more life. And, I remind myself that there is NO SUCH THING as >consensual pedophilia, ... but, I agree with you. Donna you brought up a very good point. At what age does consensual sex no longer constitute pedophilia? We have such a patchwork of laws in the United States. For instance if a boy age seventeen is having sex with a girl age fifteen here that is not pedophilia or statutory rape. However if he turns eighteen tomorrow and they have sex he has just committed a felony. He will serve time in prison and then be on the sexual predator list here for the rest of his life. Don't you think we need to have one, and only one, standard for the entire country? My middle daughter married a man sixty-two when she was only sixteen. They had to go to Missouri and her mother had to consent. I said at the time if I had known it ahead of time I would have filed statuary rape charges against the pervert, but by the time I knew the deed was done. I think he still should have been charged even though they were married. In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:50:11 -0800 in Msg.# <vtednd2fJuRaTh7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message > <0ik7o3p0l0qs3ckj30r6d83cqe205efg1m@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Well, he could help me out with it too, since I have no idea what he's > talking about either, and I'm not taking steroid pills. :-) If you figure it out, Cheri, let me know!! SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "You can be up to your boobies in white satin, with gardenias in your hair & no sugar cane for miles, but you can still be working on a plantation." - Billie Holiday OK I will attempt to explain again: I believe you Donna said, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases." Right? Then I went on to mention a number of sexually transmitted diseases that lesbians can get from same sex partners. Next you said, "It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would expand on what I was saying. " And I answered, "And doesn't that make your past statements another case of stereotyping without justification?" I believe you very definitely did stereotype lesbians with your first statement. Now, what is it you failed to understand? It seems very straight forward and easy to understand to me. >>In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.# >><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >And doesn't that make your past statements another case of >stereotyping without justification? In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:17:14 GMT in Msg.# <nnh8o31bvai2ii4j04nere546b524t371j@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > OK I will attempt to explain again: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Now, what is it you failed to understand? It seems very straight > forward and easy to understand to me. I'm sorry. All you've done is restate what just happened. I still have no idea what you're talking about. If it seems easy to understand to you, then perhaps that's why you just restated it. Let me try. Do you mean that you think I was stereotyping lesbians in a positive light by saying, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course, virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.", in the context I was replying to & given the further expansive comments I made afterward in the thread. [I mean we know & understand what kind of attacks were being made, regardless of actual information, against gays & lesbians, and we know that much has been made in one-liner form in the past that lesbians must surely be the people of God if one believes blah blah since lesbians have the lowest transmission of HIV of any such definable group. Was that your question? Was I stereotyping lesbians in a positive manner? SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Success didn't spoil me. I've always been insufferable." - Fran Leibowitz >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:17:14 GMT in Msg.# ><nnh8o31bvai2ii4j04nere546b524t371j@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Do you mean that you think I was stereotyping lesbians in a positive light >by saying, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Yes. >Was that your question? Was I stereotyping lesbians in a positive manner? Very much so. Donna and what is wrong with stereotyping lesbians in a favorable way. it is not my choice, but there should be no negativity to being gay. It is what it is and whatever a person is they just is. i dont know why this is even being brought up. "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... > Donna and what is wrong with stereotyping lesbians in a favorable way. > it is not my choice, but there should be no negativity to being gay. It > is what it is and whatever a person is they just is. > > i dont know why this is even being brought up. And WHY, pray, Loretta do you NOT object to this thread being labelled 'OT' ? OOPS Frank I missed this. I object that this thread has not been marked OT Loretta >OOPS Frank I missed this. I object that this thread has not been marked >OT > >Loretta Hi Loretta. I did not add OT to the subject line of any I commented on because I figured it would get lost in the shuffle. Actually, I don't think it ever should have been discussed in ASD. In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:19:58 GMT in Msg.# <kvj2p31fm0898jva4dbflplm763n63m7ic@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: > Hi Loretta. I did not add OT to the subject line of any I commented on > because I figured it would get lost in the shuffle. Similar to my prior reason for not doing so, to try to keep from giving it more life! > Actually, I don't > think it ever should have been discussed in ASD. The other day, after I mistakenly thought it was finally dead here, I accidentally stumbled upon the original post of this in a long-handled bunch of quotations in another NG. I have no idea, however, how many NGs may have been in its original cross-posting! Oy vey, y'all! It's January 18th, for crying out loud, does anyone know when it began? I only know it was while I was on holiday. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel, T2 since June 06, USA >In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:19:58 GMT in Msg.# ><kvj2p31fm0898jva4dbflplm763n63m7ic@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >It's January 18th, for crying out loud, does anyone know when it began? I >only know it was while I was on holiday. At times these groups work very well for a relatively long time. People seen to find a niche, But many time they turn into a haven for people not interested diabetes. The group usually has returns to a goods thing when some long timers make it less nice place and the misfit find a new haven. The posting get less and then return to an acceptable mode. A few are on a long term mode of misfit posting. Some settle down when the geoup settles down. Some want a group of a good nature. That requires care when posting., As per an old doc almost all diabetics do have some emotional problems. Diabetes is a not easiy accepted problem.. . >. guy I hope you understand that when you post a subject line then include a blank line ending in a single period (.) as the only text of the body, that means you are in agreement with the subject line. I hope you simply screwed up and are not actually saying hat. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I hope you simply screwed up and are not actually saying hat. I did not screw up. I had nothing to say about this OT crappy subject. Guess I night have a problem. At 54 I married a much younger woman. Mona was 52. When I was single, I could date girls as young a 26. I was adult enough to see the folly of the 26 year old.scene. Mona , who sent two son's through college when her husband died early from heart surgery. Living with a broken diabetic has proven to not be a an easy job But she is still here and she is able to leave any day. Hope you were kidding but thank you for giving me a chance to tell the Mona story again, She is a real gem. MY post was an exact statement about the header, I had nothing to say. I think it deserved about twenty blank posts. >>>. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I did not screw up. I had nothing to say about this OT crappy >subject. Then you did screw up. >Guess I night have a problem. At 54 I married a much younger woman. >Mona was 52. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Hope you were kidding but thank you for giving me a chance >to tell the Mona story again, She is a real gem. Cute story but it has nothing to do with what the subject line says. >MY post was an exact statement about the header, I had nothing to say. > >I think it deserved about twenty blank posts. a period (.) is not a blank post. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>. >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >I think it deserved about twenty blank posts. Sure it did. Let us just use as much bandwidth on every subject line we disagree with and have no real opinion on. What a waste. Màck©® wrote in message ... >guy I hope you understand that when you post a subject line then >include a blank line ending in a single period (.) as the only text of >the body, that means you are in agreement with the subject line. > >I hope you simply screwed up and are not actually saying hat. Learn something new every day. I did not know that. Cheri In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:58:39 -0800 in Msg.# <59-dnQwSntBVmQzanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Màck©® wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Learn something new every day. I did not know that. But, when you think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it?! SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Experts say you should never hit your children in anger. When is a good time? When you're feeling festive?" - Roseanne Barr (1952-) DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message ... >In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:58:39 -0800 in Msg.# ><59-dnQwSntBVmQzanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >-- >DonnaB shallotpeel Yes. Cheri >Màck©® wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Cheri Cheri, Mack makes up his own rules. Wish he would go back to posting on pumps,etc. The problem with these rules is that they do not exist. >>Màck©® wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >on pumps,etc. The problem with these rules is that they do not >exist. Guy says Mack makes up his own rules while Guy just posts in order to waste bandwidth and say nothing. If Guy disagrees with what Mack said or for that matter what the subject line is about in my opinion he either needs to say so or not reply at all. Oops! Now I'm making up my own rules while everything Guy says is gospel and we are supposed to feel sorry for him because of his conditions. > OK I will attempt to explain again: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Now, what is it you failed to understand? It seems very straight > forward and easy to understand to me. It's pretty clear as far as I'm concerned, Chuck. Donna said that Lesbians do not get STDs and you pointed out that they can get some forms of STDs. Not sure why she is being so obtuse about this. Maybe on purpose, I don't know. Kurt >> OK I will attempt to explain again: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Kurt Kurt I was on the heart lung machine for a quad bypass. I do have legit concern over a clean blood supply. I think there are cases where a person with AIDS tried to donate blood. No sane person would do that. I prefer people that are honest, do what they want as long as they do not potentially affect me. Years ago, I saw a loot of syphilis cases and what happened there. Aids is much more serious and no cure in sight. Not a place to rationalize or simply lie. I get so tired of people trying to win arguments with labels. he facts do not change. >I was on the heart lung machine for a quad bypass. I do have legit >concern over a clean blood supply. I think there are cases where >a person with AIDS tried to donate blood. No sane person would do >that. I prefer people that are honest, do what they want as long as >they do not potentially affect me. if you have proof that this was done intentionally and not just another urban myth being repeated like so many others I have heard in the past, then present it. The truth is, in the USA, all blood donated is required to be tested before it is put into use. In the beginning of the AIDS crisis when the coward Reagan and his administration did nothing and allowed the ignorance and blaming and labeling to go on unchallenged most government agencies were resistant to testing because of cost. In the eyes of government the loss of a few lives in the gay community, or amongst those who needed the most blood transfusions like hemophiliacs were perfectly acceptable losses in order to save a few pennies. If those who were deemed less than human or those who were a drain on society's funds died off, in the long run there would be more available for those who thought of themselves as better than the rest. And more funds available to those who vote themselves raises rather than having to earn them. Most people especially heterosexuals do not know that they are infected and putting others at risk because they do not have themselves tested, if they do not know, they cannot be infected therefore unsafe behavior in their minds is okay to continue. Testing is very common in the gay community, not because we believe we are greater risk of infection, but rather because our past has taught us that knowledge is our best defense and when actually infected it is the best chance of survival. The gay community because of it's experience with ignorance and prejudice world wide is a bit more grounded in reality than most of the heterosexual community. The last heterosexual male I worked with who told me he was HIV positive found out after his wife was diagnosed. Turns out the guy was seeing other women, he got infected and gave it to his wife. She divorced him. He was looking for sympathy and was upset when he didn't get it from me or most of his other coworkers. >Years ago, I saw a loot of syphilis cases and what happened there. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >he facts do not change. True, and the uneducated, those in denial and those who lie to themselves out of hate and prejudice are the ones who are putting themselves and others at risk. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>I was on the heart lung machine for a quad bypass. I do have legit >>concern over a clean blood supply. I think there are cases where [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >themselves out of hate and prejudice are the ones who are putting >themselves and others at risk. I agree but in all groups stupid selfish people exist. The blood supply risk was very real and not an urban myth. The risk exists today like campus killers. There is no stereotype of AIDS. A lot of decent people acquire it. They take extraordinary steps to avoid passing it to others. Mack, the whole issue boils down to the need foe linear sexual contacts. only. i---- a family structure. without cheating. NOT the god damn TV images pushed today for easy money. We do not need to follow crackpots and those that will do anything for a buck. They are responsible for defects in our medical system today. Be thankful they are still a minority. >I agree but in all groups stupid selfish people exist. The blood >supply risk was very real and not an urban myth. The risk exists >today like campus killers. Then you can show proof. >There is no stereotype of AIDS. A lot of decent people acquire it. >They take extraordinary steps to avoid passing it to others. What extraordinary steps? not sleeping with multiple partners? not sharing needles? using common sense universal precautions that anyone and everyone is capable of learning? >Mack, the whole issue boils down to the need foe linear sexual >contacts. only. i---- a family structure. without cheating. and anyone gay or straight can practice this. NOT >the god damn TV images pushed today for easy money. What is on TV today has zero to do with it. Promiscuity and cheating on ones spouse was practiced long before today's TV got the way it is. The primary teacher is the parents. If one or both are abusive, guess what the kids are very likely to become? If one or both are cheaters guess what the kids are likely to become? >We do not need to follow crackpots and those that will do anything for >a buck. They are responsible for defects in our medical system today. >Be thankful they are still a minority. A minority that has done far too much damage. One person in a position of authority over others, in government, in religion or in business can ruin the lives of the majority, when the majority are sheep who do not protect themselves. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:08:09 -0500 in Msg.# <du2ao35cjqbctd2hghekkcv3lie099ijlg@4ax.com>, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > >Mack, the whole issue boils down to the need foe linear sexual > >contacts. only. i---- a family structure. without cheating. > > and anyone gay or straight can practice this. Hmm, looked like a label to me, and a meaningless one, to boot. What in the world is meant by linear sexual contacts? And, if monogamy and exclusivity is meant, why not just say that?!! The words exist & people know what they mean! But, over the course of a lifetime, how many people, no matter how monogamous & exclusive they are, are only going to have sexual relations with one person? Very few. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Would it not be a comfort, just for a time, to believe that we create our own Heavens and our own Hells?" - Lancelot, THE MISTS OF AVALON, mini-series, 2001 >Hmm, looked like a label to me, and a meaningless one, to boot. What in the >world is meant by linear sexual contacts? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >monogamous & exclusive they are, are only going to have sexual relations >with one person? Very few. in the course of my life, that's a number...in the past 18 years, just one. Some of us do keep our wedding vows. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:48:18 -0500 in Msg.# <jo1bo3hejbhvvhmmud3g5rohdi6b616q68@4ax.com>, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote: > >But, over the course of a lifetime, how many people, no matter how > >monogamous & exclusive they are, are only going to have sexual relations > >with one person? Very few. > > in the course of my life, that's a number...in the past 18 years, just > one. Some of us do keep our wedding vows. Very few people are lucky enough to have only one sexual partner in a lifetime, though. However, 18 years, yeah, I can believe that. I had 18 years with a partner. Eventually, it didn't work anymore, though, although no vows were involved in the relationship, much to my dismay. I wanted vows; they did not. Anyway, now I am in a betrothed or married, or whatever one calls it, relationship, and, yes, vows are that important to both of us. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "This dog is a freak show. He ought to be in show biz." - Wallace "You think that's some kind of rare breed or something?" - Veronica "That or a drunk dingo had a 3-way with an ocelot & a porcupine." - Wallace; VERONICA MARS, 'Russkie Business', 02-22-05 >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:08:09 -0500 in Msg.# ><du2ao35cjqbctd2hghekkcv3lie099ijlg@4ax.com>, Màck©® [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >But, over the course of a lifetime, how many people, no matter how >monogamous & exclusive they are, are only going to have sexual relations with one person? Very few. Donna, what you do or think is not my concern. There are reasons for the long developed social rules. They are not perfect but on the whole they are correct. I assure that a lot of my peers are monogamous and dedicate their lives to producing a better next generation. It is not the easy way but the correct way. Look around and see the result of the spoil adult brats we are producing today. This world is easy for a few because so many work their a.s off for many tens of years. Now these warped clowns want what so many have produced. This thinking is ephemeral and the back lash will take over when the pending decline develops. When people are hurting, they become very intolerant. I will not be around that long but I have always had concern for a better world, not a stink hole Is this clear enough for you. Let us be concerned about putting our asset into programs to eliminate the suffering diabetics face . Also ALL diseases. Not some special disease that gets the publicity These groups were formed for diabetic issues. If anyone think they can not be at high risk in close contact with many others for pleasure are dreaming. I have seen people die or be institutionalized with a blank stare for almost as long as I been aware. well back to 1940 when antibiotics did not exist. I was informed in a case where a couple were getting married and took a blood test. She failed the test. She had only been intimate with her potential husband, My friend worked on a health program and tracked these cases. Via her fiancee, she had been exposed to 27 people that could be the source. Do the MATH. Today a simple hospital stay may give any of us a fatal disease with no cure expected. In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:20:14 -0600 in Msg.# > >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:08:09 -0500 in Msg.# > ><du2ao35cjqbctd2hghekkcv3lie099ijlg@4ax.com>, Màck©® [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Donna, what you do or think is not my concern. So you've said, Guy. So you've said. I could only offer that this is a public newsgroup & no matter what you might say, your posts are as much fodder for my replies, even indirectly as this one was, since I replied to Mack's post, as are yours for anyone else's. That's just the way it works. If you are not interested in my posts, I can only suggest that you might consider not reading them. Up to you, of course. > There are reasons for the long developed social rules. > They are not perfect but on the whole they are correct. > > I assure that a lot of my peers are monogamous and dedicate > their lives to producing a better next generation. It is not > the easy way but the correct way. Uh, Guy, you seem to be laboring under the mistaken assumption that I'm not in favor of monogamy & exclusivity. I'm for them both. Reading what people actually do & don't say sometimes helps. You, for example, have not been lucky enough to be with one person your whole lifetime so far. Nor have I. That doesn't mean that either of us isn't for mutually exclusive primary pair bonds. > Look around and see the result of the spoil adult brats we are > producing today. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Is this clear enough for you. No, once again you're talking about things that have zero to do with what was being said. But, hey, if it's just a generalized disconnected Guy rant, then, sure, if that's the kind of clarity you want, which it seems that it is, sadly. > Let us be concerned about putting our asset into programs > to eliminate the suffering diabetics face . Also ALL diseases. Not [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Today a simple hospital stay may give any of us a fatal disease > with no cure expected. And, on you go, ... with no connection. Hey, maybe you'd like to do some math on how many unconnected rants you've made?!! SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Television is a medium of entertainment which permits millions of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and yet remain lonesome." - TS Eliot >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:20:14 -0600 in Msg.# > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >And, on you go, ... with no connection. Hey, maybe you'd like to do some >math on how many unconnected rants you've made?!! Donna I do not care what you think. It seem that my rants are really not for you anyway. They are to water down the nonsense being posted here. For some reason you have to deal in your many biases. You do not like to be told the truth., With a few real world facts It takes more than a one liner to support facts. relevant facts unless one does not want to hear them. This issue should not be on this site, Why do some insist to make it dominate the whole site. My goal is to make it non productive and to discourage it. Want criticism----you are so often non relevant to diabetes and deal in cliches. and gossip. Ever hear about the geometric progression of communicable disease? The math is very clear. it is wise to spread this part of the problem. Money is being spent on indulgences and not enough being spent on diabetes research. I prefer to go to a doctor that has the proper knowledge, Guess you cannot make the connection there. Venereal disease could be eliminated by behavior. We do not have a clue on how to have a control method to avoid diabetes. This is a general issue where personal attacks do not wash. Now you are just yelling. The old attorney joke says when you have nothing left, just yell. In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:37:13 -0600 in Msg.# > >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:20:14 -0600 in Msg.# > > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > Donna I do not care what you think. See above. > It seem that my rants are really not for you anyway. Or for most people who post about them. However, you do at times make exceedingly valuable posts. > They are to water down the nonsense being posted here. I think it's so unfortunate that you feel that there is much nonsense posted here. I don't feel that there is. I think that, on the whole, ASD is an excellent newsgroup. But, as to diluting, I find it hard to believe that you really think that's what you're doing. YMMV, though. > For some reason you have to deal in your many biases. You do not > like to be told the truth., With a few real world facts > > It takes more than a one liner to support facts. relevant facts > unless one does not want to hear them. You're making no sense at all. I deal in facts. I live in the real world. I am constantly & always a seeker after truth. But, of course, I don't deal with many biases at all. I believe that we all grow up with certain biases, of course, but that doesn't mean we can't try to root out our biases & question them in ourselves. None of us is without bias, no, but many of us try to live egalitarian lives of parity & equity. I am one who does. That you seem to think otherwise illustrates what you are missing from what people do & don't say in their posts. > This issue should not be on this site, I wonder who began it here. > Why do some insist to make it dominate the whole site. It? What is it? > My goal is to make it non productive and to discourage it. You've kept it alive. > Want criticism----you are so often non relevant to diabetes and deal > in cliches. and gossip. Actually, I don't believe you are dealing in facts about me. But, if I begin a thread that is OT, I do try to mark it as such, and sometimes I add that marking to threads that others begin. I've not changed anything about the subject line on this - original or this renamed subthread - because I hoped it would go away. > Ever hear about the geometric progression of communicable disease? The > math is very clear. it is wise to spread this part of the problem. I know about the spread of communicable diseases, yes, those that come from intimate contact, those that are more easily spread, etc. I don't see any point in saying the kind of thing that you do over & over again. > Money is being spent on indulgences and not enough being spent on > diabetes research. I prefer to go to a doctor that has the proper [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are just yelling. The old attorney joke says when you have nothing > left, just yell. I haven't yelled here at all. I've stayed out of this with you even though you've gone on & on & made your usual veiled, odd references & then gone on & on some more, until finally, I made a comment in reply to Mack's reply to you, ... and you pounce. I guess you're just waiting for someone to take your bait so you can attack them instead of just ranting in a disconnected way. But, if you do not care what I think, then, why go out of your way to read it or respond to it. That doesn't really compute, you know? If you truly did not care, you'd just ignore me, after all. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel, T2 since June 06, USA "Television does not make a perfectly sane man go out & kill five people. Not even 'Must-See TV'." - Fox Mulder, The X-Files If you get uyour kicks ot of thenternet, Have yoour thing. Maybe it serves some purpose. My purpose is to shut people like you up. so others that need diabetic data can get it with correct info. You seem to have issues and you need to take then to ther correct group. The dangers of sexual misconduct is very know to normal people. I get damn tired of demands I help pay for sexual misxconduct. I have my own problems and I do in one way or another pay for them with a life long productivity. In the 90's the internet seemed to be the only source of dsiabetic information It serve me well. if you think you can shout me down you have a lot to learn. Now I hope you will shut up and stop tryng to dictate to others how to post. The world does not revolve around any one person. These groups are not aboout sexual abberations and the inane gun control issues. It is a diabetic group Or at least it used to be except the NUTS try to take it over with their crap. |
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