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Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 11/28/07.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Nov 2007 18:22 GMT
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/37665.html

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 01:31 GMT
> http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/37665.html
[Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 11/28/07.
Any doctor who advises a patient to lose weight by dieting and
exercising instead of eating less is suffering from the delusion that
hunger is bad:]

Don't mean to be argumentative, but doesn't dieting mean eating less?
I don't get what you're trying to convey. All i know is that my
doctor's advice and Dr. Oz's advice has taken my BMI from 33 to 26 and
dropping, my waist size from 40 to 34, and my BP from 138/80 (pulse
84) to 115/66 (pulse 68). Can't wait to see my cholesterol levels. I
was going to wait until my next scheduled physical in March 2008, but
I'm just too excited - am scheduling blood work for next week.
I would say that hunger is bad where malnutrition is concerned,
especially when demonstrated in anorexia. Also it seems a foregone
conclusion that even if a person eats 50 to 75% less junk food,
there're still subsisting on junk food and robbing themselves
nutritionally, to which I'm sure you'll agree. What I had to do
personally, was to retrain my brain regarding food. Today I felt
famished. But instead of filling myself up with a burger, fries and a
soda etc, I felt famished for specific things, namely protein and
carbs, as I'm putting all my extra energy into strength training and
running. I satisfied that craving with some nice tilapia and whole
wheat linguini with my own "pesto" sauce of basil, garlic and onion
and a spinach side salad with balsamic vinegar and canola oil. I guess
I've become a food snob when I come to think of it; I'll only eat the
best stuff now. Try to get me to eat a cheeseburger these days, I'll
turn my nose up at it. Didn't bother to weigh any of it, but I know it
was considerably less food than I used to have to consume to feel
satisfied.

For it is by grace you have been saved,
through faith -- and this not from yourselves,
it is the gift of God -- not by works,
so that no one can boast.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Nov 2007 02:12 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
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>
> Don't mean to be argumentative, but doesn't dieting mean eating less?

No.

Dieting is changing what we are eating rather than simply eating less.

Suggested reading:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

Http://HeartMDPhD.com/StrongMan

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 07:28 GMT
> > Andrew wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Dieting is changing what we are eating rather than simply eating less.

Ok. I've always interpreted dieting as eating less as well as
switching to nutritional foods.
I remember a comic strip I read years ago called Bloom County, where
one character was blathering out various weight loss fads and
gimmicks, and the other character kept replying "how about just eating
less and exercising?"
As for myself, my only motivation in eating these days is gaining
nutritional benefit, so the rest pretty much takes care of itself.
That's why I don't want to follow any type of  written diet regimen
too closely. I didn't follow any sort of detailed plan when it came to
poor eating habits, so I want good eating habits to be just as matter
of course. March 2007, 6' tall and 230 lbs. - November 2007, 193lbs. -
by March 2008, 170 lbs. (15 lbs. of which will be mussel weight),
after more than 20 years of weighing over 200 lbs. By my 46th birthday
in late April 2008, 165 lbs.

If any of you lacks wisdom,
he should ask God, who gives
generously to all without finding fault,
and it will be given to him.
James 1:5
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 07:36 GMT
> (15 lbs. of which will be mussel weight)
Oops, not much into shellfish. Although I'm sure eating mussels during
strength training will help one gain extra muscle, I'll stick with
tilapia and salmon.

"I tell you the truth, whoever hears
my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life and will not be condemned;
he has crossed over from death to life."
John 5:24
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Nov 2007 11:59 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Ok. I've always interpreted dieting as eating less as well as
> switching to nutritional foods.

Those who are "selling" their respective commercial diets will deny
the former.

> I remember a comic strip I read years ago called Bloom County, where
> one character was blathering out various weight loss fads and
> gimmicks, and the other character kept replying "how about just eating
> less and exercising?"

Eating less, down to the optimal amount, is not possible for those who
do not know how much they are eating...

... just as slowing down, down to the optimal speed, is not possible
for those who have a broken speedometer.

Bottom line:

Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.

> As for myself, my only motivation in eating these days is gaining
> nutritional benefit, so the rest pretty much takes care of itself.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> and it will be given to him.
> James 1:5

Yes, GOD is the Source of all wisdom and knowledge.

HE also is the only One able to drive satan's lies about hunger out of
our hearts.

Once HE has done this, HE instructs us to be the "strong man" that
guards his house (heart):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/StrongMan

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 19:20 GMT
> Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
> to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.

There's nothing new about this. My mom was weighing out servings per
someone's plan as far back as the 70's. And yeah she'd slim down, and
then put away the food scale after achieving "success". She was still
obese most her life, and died of congestive heart failure at 79. She
was a self described "foodaholic". Maybe if she had been trained how
to think differently about eating, as I have, she might have had a
chance.
Zen Cohen - 29 Nov 2007 20:49 GMT
>> Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
>> to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.
>
> There's nothing new about this. My mom was weighing out servings per
> someone's plan as far back as the 70's.

But she was probably also paying attention to things like the nutritional
and caloric content of the food as well. And she probably used her common
sense in figuring an appropriate serving weight based on her own body,
goals, etc. This is unlike our Dr Chung who rigidly adheres to a
one-weight-fits-all notion of food consumption and bases it on irrational
"science" and bizarre interpretations of the bible.  And on top of that, he
'convicts' those who disagree to eternity in a lake of fire. The ones whose
criticism is especially trenchant (eg, yamatanka) are quickly promoted to
satan status (who hiss their common sense through a corporeal sockpuppet).

BTW congrats on your weight loss. I recently went from 220 to 165 and my
health and sense of well being has improved immensely, so I know how you
must feel.
MU - 30 Nov 2007 08:03 GMT
> But she was probably also paying attention to things like the nutritional
> and caloric content of the food as well. And she probably used her common
> sense in figuring an appropriate serving weight based on her own body,
> goals, etc.

Calorie counting is so inexact that it is practically worthless.
Zed - 30 Nov 2007 16:52 GMT
> >> Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
> >> to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sense in figuring an appropriate serving weight based on her own body,
> goals, etc.

Oh I'm sure, she was a very studious and meticulous person. But like
most of us she was in love with food, and viewed food as a treat, a
reward, a fix. I wish someone had come out with some block buster book
on how to retrain your brain, rather than the usual eat less of this
take more of that forced regimen going against basic ingrained
instincts routine.

> This is unlike our Dr Chung who rigidly adheres to a
> one-weight-fits-all notion of food consumption and bases it on irrational
> "science" and bizarre interpretations of the bible.  And on top of that, he
> 'convicts' those who disagree to eternity in a lake of fire. The ones whose
> criticism is especially trenchant (eg, yamatanka) are quickly promoted to
> satan status (who hiss their common sense through a corporeal sockpuppet).

As far as I'm concerned a person can come up with any diet plan they
want to. And they can base it on anything they want to. I wouldn't be
the least bit surprised if an MD came up with a diet/nutrition plan he
said was given to him by extraterrestrials. I remember hearing a joke
when I was a kid regarding a particular MD, that the MD stood for
Marbles Dislodged. That's why we are always told to run things past
our own doctor who is familiar with our personal medical history. Find
out what he/she has to say about it. If it's all nonsense then that's
what you doctor will tell you, even if the person who wrote it has
several PhD's and won couple of Nobel Prizes. If your doctor says it's
a practical plan, then it's practical despite what it's based on. If
you want to make double sure, first consult your physician, then
consult a nutritionist.

Personally when I read someone posting nonsense then I just dump them.
I don't care if they're an ordained minister, a board certified
physician, an accredited this or a certified that. Nonsense is
nonsense and doesn't deserve the attention it always receives on
Usenet.

> BTW congrats on your weight loss. I recently went from 220 to 165 and my
> health and sense of well being has improved immensely, so I know how you
> must feel.

Congrats to you too. It does indeed feel great.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Nov 2007 22:10 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
> > to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.
>
> There's nothing new about this.

The optimal amount (omer) was not known prior to being empirically
determined in 1997.

> My mom was weighing out servings per
> someone's plan as far back as the 70's. And yeah she'd slim down, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to think differently about eating, as I have, she might have had a
> chance.

She needed to read the following:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
MU - 30 Nov 2007 08:04 GMT
> There's nothing new about this. My mom was weighing out servings per
> someone's plan as far back as the 70's. And yeah she'd slim down, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to think differently about eating, as I have, she might have had a
> chance.

Sorry about your Mom. Yes, training, or de-training might have been very
helpful to her longevity.
MU - 30 Nov 2007 08:02 GMT
> Eating less, down to the optimal amount, is not possible for those who
> do not know how much they are eating...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Telling someone to "eat less" is meaningless if you do not teach them
> to weigh their meals and teach them what is the optimal amount.

More than that, it reinforces the excuse mechanism.

"I ate less, I never lost any weight."
"How much less"
"I quit having a bowl of ice cream before going to bed"
"OK, how much less *in the whole month* did you eat?"
"The same but no ice cream.
"And the proof is

"I GAVE UP ICE CREAM AND GAINED WEIGHT, THE DIET DOESN'T WORK".

oh thx
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Nov 2007 08:56 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> oh thx

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

... to squelch all the excuses, thereby ending the U.S. obesity
epidemic.

May all thanks, praises, and glory be given to GOD, our beloved
Creator.

"Do good things so that they will praise your Father in heaven." --
LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

May GOD bless you in HIS might way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
 
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