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Zed - 28 Nov 2007 01:06 GMT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
have lost 35 lbs. I'm in better shape now than I've been in over 20
years. My last check up was in March 2007. High cholesterol, high
blood pressure, in the beginning stages of congestive heart failure,
palpitations, tachycardia, excellent candidate for type 2 diabetes
etc. The way things are going,
by March 2008 when I go in for my next yearly physical, I'm expecting
my doctor to be very pleasantly surprised. Perfect BMI, perfect BP,
perfect cholesterol levels, no sign of heart enlargement. Perfect
health. Maximum fitness. What I've learned from Dr. Oz is how to
properly understand health and nutrition. Just as eating poorly,
getting obese and acquiring heath problems was second nature, now
eating healthy, losing 5 lbs. a month (that's 60 lbs. in one year
bringing me to a perfect BMI), and bursting with vitality is now
second ingrained nature. It's become so easy and so natural, It's
becoming hard understand why I had such a problem with eating my
whole
em - 28 Nov 2007 06:55 GMT
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
> Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
> have lost 35 lbs. I'm in better shape now than I've been in over 20
> years.

I did some googling on this guy. He's written a number of books on diet and
longevity. What does he recommend in terms of foods? Low-carb?

> My last check up was in March 2007. High cholesterol, high
> blood pressure, in the beginning stages of congestive heart failure,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> becoming hard understand why I had such a problem with eating my
> whole
Zed - 28 Nov 2007 18:05 GMT
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
> > Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I did some googling on this guy. He's written a number of books on diet and
> longevity. What does he recommend in terms of foods? Low-carb?

To tell the truth, most of what I've learned from him so far has come
by way of his appearances on the Oprah show. One day while I was
channel surfing, I saw this guy in scrubs demonstrating various things
in regard to heath and nutrition. I decided that when I began my
efforts to become physically fit, to go at it piecemeal taking baby
steps, rather than getting all hyped up only to have it fizzle.

Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it". And to that,
seek that which is purely nutritional and beneficial. Dr. Oz goes
through many different types of foods to emphasize their benefits.
Many of these we already know about such as green vegetables like
spinach and broccoli. He also points out foods that are high in
antioxidants and other beneficial things like lycopine found in tomato
based products. As far as carbs go, the emphasis in on only eating
whole grains. Not multi grain, but whole grain. At first I was
eliminating any and all carbs as much as I could, but then learned
about the extreme benefits of whole grains in digestion and
metabolism. I pretty much stick to whole wheat low sodium bread, and
especially whole wheat pasta. Sometimes I use the whole wheat pasta
with Classico Roasted Garlic spaghetti sauce since it is by far the
lowest in sodium compared to all the other regular off the shelf
brands I've checked. Or I use it in stir fry as lo mein. The whole
wheat pasta has a heartier consistency to it, likening it lo mein.
I've also leaned to use canola oil, which in also high in omega 3.
Oils found in canola and flaxseed have tremendous overall benefits in
basically keeping your whole machine lubed. The test for an oil is to
put in the fridge. If it stays clear, then its healthy. If it gets
cloudy it's less healthy. If it turns into a solid mass, like extra
virgin olive oil does, then it's even less healthy.
(but still good for anointing).

My diet, and I haven't read a single diet book or followed anyone's
exact plan, so far has been: Mainly fish only (mostly Tilapia and
Salmon). Regular vegetables; broccoli, green beans, spinach, carrots,
peas, corn etc. An apple or two a day. And whole wheat. My desire for
junk food has been replaced by my desire for nutritional food. All
that junk is just plain addictive the same as cigarettes IMHO. I very
slowly weaned myself off of it and turned to wholesome home made
foods. I find the stuff I used to enjoy eating not particularly
appetizing anymore. And since I no longer relay on food as a comfort,
an indulgence, a reward etc. I of course eat a lot less. However, I
expect it to take at least 12 to 18 months for this to begin to become
a fully and permanently ingrained lifestyle behavior.  Mehmet Oz is
just such and appealing down to earth and compassionate guy, coupled
with being vastly knowledgeable and highly skilled, you can't help but
want to follow his advice. Sometimes he utilizes shock tactics as well
by actually displaying the diseased body parts of those who died
untimely deaths as a result of poor lifestyle (but he manages to be
quite endearing as well as entertaining in the process). The most
dramatic demonstration I've seen so far, was him performing a bypass
on a patient who had a high fat high cholesterol diet with no exercise
her whole life. Her heart needless to say was horrifying to look at;
over sized, sluggish and covered with lumpy fat. I've also learned to
boost my vitamin intake of A, B, C, D and E as well. Man oh man, do I
feel good.
No fads. No techniques. Just a growing knowledge and understanding of
really good basic nutrition. I'm not even trying to lose weight at
this point. Excess body fat loss is now just a natural result of
healthy living, just as excess body fat gain was a result of unhealthy
living. The sad thing is, I used to think I took reasonably good care
of myself. I blamed my excess 60 lbs of body fat on a slow metabolism.
And of course I had a slow metabolism, because I was fueling it so
poorly. I took the Real Age Test here http://www.realage.com/doctorcenter/intro.aspx
and received lots of helpful tailored info (without receiving a
boatload of SPAM).
Jo Anne - 28 Nov 2007 21:59 GMT
>Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
>LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
...

>I've also leaned to use canola oil, which in also high in omega 3.

Canola oil is a genetically engineered man-made product.

Jo Anne
Tiger Lily - 28 Nov 2007 22:17 GMT
Rapeseed that expressed the 'best' of the plant's essences were brought
together to make what is now known as Canola in the fields

and this is dangerous?? HOW?

>>Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
>>LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
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>
> Jo Anne
Zed - 28 Nov 2007 22:47 GMT
> >Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
> >LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Canola oil is a genetically engineered man-made product.

Oops, sorry Jack. I don't carry that "if man made it, don't eat it"
philosophy to the nth degree, at least not yet anyway. I tend to apply
it more to processed junk foods.
Ozgirl - 28 Nov 2007 23:01 GMT
>>Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
>>LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Canola oil is a genetically engineered man-made product.

Not true.
wifezilla@gmail.com - 28 Nov 2007 23:07 GMT
Canola oil is considered "healthy" because it is low in saturated
fats. Since we now know that saturated fat ISN'T the problem, why use
canola oil?

Well, it's cheap.
Tiger Lily - 28 Nov 2007 23:50 GMT
Canola oil is a GOOD source for Omega 3 oils

THAT is why we use it

> Canola oil is considered "healthy" because it is low in saturated
> fats. Since we now know that saturated fat ISN'T the problem, why use
> canola oil?
>
> Well, it's cheap.
Kaz Kylheku - 29 Nov 2007 00:10 GMT
> Canola oil is a GOOD source for Omega 3 oils

Yes, the plant seeds actually are, and this is preserved in fresh,
cold-pressed, unrefined canola oil.

Alpha-linolenic acid is very sensitive. It won't survive a process
involving chemical extraction, heating, bleaching, deodorizing, etc.

Under these processes, some of it turns into trans fat!

This is what Mary Enig writes about canola oil in an article titled
the ``The Great Can-Ola Scam, Part 2'':

``[...] because canola oil is high in omega-3 fatty acids, which
easily become rancid and foul-smelling when subjected to oxygen and
high temperatures, it must be deodorized. The standard deodorization
process removes a large portion of the omega-3 fatty acids by turning
them into trans fatty acids. Although the Canadian government lists
the trans content of canola at a minimal 0.2 percent, research at the
University of Florida at Gainesville, found trans levels as high as
4.6 percent in commercial liquid oil.24 The consumer has no clue about
the presence of trans fatty acids in canola oil because they are not
listed on the label.''

The cited reference #24 is this:

S O'Keefe and others. Levels of Trans Geometrical Isomers of Essential
Fatty Acids in Some Unhydrogenated US Vegetable Oils. Journal of Food
Lipids 1994;1:165-176.

Yes, that jug of tasteless, clear, cheap canola oil that you can keep
unrefrigerated on the shelf for years and use for deep frying has
little omega 3, and as much as 4% trans fat.
Oleg Lego - 29 Nov 2007 04:15 GMT
>Canola oil is a GOOD source for Omega 3 oils
>
>THAT is why we use it

That, and I'll probably be growing a field of it next year. :-)

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DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Last A1c 8.1 (at DX)

Kaz Kylheku - 28 Nov 2007 23:37 GMT
> >Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
> >LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Canola oil is a genetically engineered man-made product.

That's not exactly true. It's the product of selective breeding, not
genetic engineering.

The biggest problem is that the majority of the canola oil
commercially available to consumers is garbage.

Real alpha-linolenic acid has to be refrigerated and consumed quickly
because it oxidizes. (And it cannot be used for cooking).

Whereas the typical store-bought canola oil can be kept on the shelf
for months.  That's wrong, and it shows that the alpha-linolenic acid
in the original oil has been destroyed by processing.

In other words, this type of canola product has zero biologically
useful omega-3.

You want fresh, cold-pressed, unrefined canola oil. And of course, you
want to avoid using it for cooking; heat destroys the omega-3 fatty
acid.

Mehmet Oz should know all this.
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 00:11 GMT
> > >Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
> > >LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".
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>
> Mehmet Oz should know all this.

Actually he was very specific about keeping it refrigerated and not
heating it.
Kaz Kylheku - 29 Nov 2007 01:53 GMT
> > Mehmet Oz should know all this.
>
> Actually he was very specific about keeping it refrigerated and not
> heating it.

That doesn't make sense with the widely available refined canola oil,
which was heated during processing, and isn't kept refrigerated in the
supermarket. You're locking the barn door after the horse has fled.
The horse, of course, being a metaphor for all traces of nutrition.

Does Oz make all of that clear?

I wouldn't bother with the cold-pressed, unrefined canola oil simply
because, well, it has competition. If I could find it, why would I
spend money on that instead of flax oil? Price? I don't consume enough
of this type of stuff to worry about cost. The daily tablespoon is
pennies.
Zed - 29 Nov 2007 05:49 GMT
> > > Mehmet Oz should know all this.
>
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> supermarket. You're locking the barn door after the horse has fled.
> The horse, of course, being a metaphor for all traces of nutrition.

I think it might have had to do with freshness. They keep mayonase on
the shelf un refrigerated for weeks or months too -- but after you
open it...

> Does Oz make all of that clear?

I dunno, I don't keep track of his every word and deed. All I know is
his general guidance has helped towards my loosing 35 lbs. and I think
he's a cool dude.

Here I am!
I stand at the door and knock.
If anyone hears my voice
and opens the door, I will come in
and eat with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:20
Cubit - 29 Nov 2007 19:28 GMT
> Anyways, what I've learned in terms of food, is pretty much what Jack
> LaLanne has always said: "if man made it, don't eat it".

I love that quote.

I had not heard that quote before.
w - 01 Dec 2007 08:36 GMT
> Excess body fat loss is now just a natural result of
> healthy living, just as excess body fat gain was a result of unhealthy
> living.

Body fat gain is overconsumption, loss is balanced or underconsumption
(relative to your overeating). That's it, period.
Chris Malcolm - 01 Dec 2007 11:12 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes w <loverlyvagina@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Excess body fat loss is now just a natural result of
>> healthy living, just as excess body fat gain was a result of unhealthy
>> living.

> Body fat gain is overconsumption, loss is balanced or underconsumption
> (relative to your overeating). That's it, period.

It seems to have escaped your notice that not only can we change how
much we eat, but we can also change how much we need to eat. Therefore
it is possible to change from weight loss to weight gain (or vice
versa) without changing how much you eat.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Dec 2007 11:18 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes w <loverlyvagina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> it is possible to change from weight loss to weight gain (or vice
> versa) without changing how much you eat.

It is difficult/impossible to dissuade people from their favorites
foods for the rest of their lives.

Numerous examples abound in the archives of ASD.

Thankfully, folks using the 2PD-OMER Approach can continue eating
their favorites, just less :-)

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Zed - 01 Dec 2007 16:23 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes w <loverlyvag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it is possible to change from weight loss to weight gain (or vice
> versa) without changing how much you eat.

I've found that for me personally, that eating less now just comes
naturally. Now that I view food as nutrition instead of an indulgence,
I don't have the desire to stuff my belly like I used to. I'd say I
eat at least 40% less than I used to, because I no longer have that
drive to feel stuffed. I'm no longer seeking foods that stick to my
ribs, I'm seeking nutrition. If it's not nutritious, it's unappetizing
to me. Once I've taken in enough nutrition, I'm satisfied. But it's
still good eats, people who sample my cooking think it's delicious.
But these days I'm more interested in what's in it and how it's going
to benefit me nutritionally, than just how it tastes.
MU - 02 Dec 2007 06:39 GMT
> In alt.support.diabetes w <loverlyvagina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> it is possible to change from weight loss to weight gain (or vice
> versa) without changing how much you eat.

It seems to have escaped your notice that when you change how
much you eat, you invariably change how much you need to eat. Therefore
it is impossible to change from weight loss to weight gain without changing
how much you eat once at 2 pounds per day.
Oleg Lego - 02 Dec 2007 15:59 GMT
>> In alt.support.diabetes w <loverlyvagina@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>it is impossible to change from weight loss to weight gain without changing
>how much you eat once at 2 pounds per day.

Sock puppet.

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DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Last A1c 8.1 (at DX)

MU - 03 Dec 2007 02:07 GMT
>>>> Body fat gain is overconsumption, loss is balanced or underconsumption
>>>> (relative to your overeating). That's it, period.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sock puppet.

*plonk*
Zed - 01 Dec 2007 15:59 GMT
> > Excess body fat loss is now just a natural result of
> > healthy living, just as excess body fat gain was a result of unhealthy
> > living.
>
> Body fat gain is overconsumption, loss is balanced or underconsumption
> (relative to your overeating). That's it, period.

Exactly. Unhealthy living was my natural lifestyle. The problem with
diet plans for me, is that they require strained living, where I have
to dogedly follow a forced regimen. The ingrained predilection towards
an unhealthy lifestyle is still there, it's just being repressed by
the forced regimen. When I lose a certain amount of weight under those
conditions and a goal is finally reached after a tough uphill battle,
the drive to keep up the forced regimen starts to wilt, and the
ingrained desire for the good 'ol days of over eating and junk food
takes command again.

I'm losing 5 lbs. a month very easily and pleasantly because I
retrained my brain (which is something I originally learned to do in
order to cope with severe tinnitus) to regard food in an entirely
different way. Each and every day I think just a tiny bit more like a
"fitness nut". I read or listen to just a little bit of something by
people like Dr. Oz or Jack LaLanne and use them/it as a role model and
learning tool, to very slowly reshape my way of thinking. I don't
count calories or weigh anything or follow a written out structured
regimens or keep a journal, because I'm developing good eating habits
as second nature. Something that I don't have to think about or keep
track of, it just happens of its own accord. Unhealthy living required
no perceived effort, likewise healthy living should require no
perceived effort if it's to last me a lifetime.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Nov 2007 14:02 GMT
Wiser to make LORD Jesus Christ your hero:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

GOD is the Source of all healing:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
> Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> becoming hard understand why I had such a problem with eating my
> whole
Zed - 28 Nov 2007 18:23 GMT
> Wiser to make LORD Jesus Christ your hero:

Jesus is my Master and Savior. Dr. Oz is my hero only rhetorically
speaking, of course.
gvk2six@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2007 19:03 GMT
> > Wiser to make LORD Jesus Christ your hero:
>
> Jesus is my Master and Savior. Dr. Oz is my hero only rhetorically
> speaking, of course.

Just curious,  but "what would Jesus eat?" now,  and "what did he
eat?"  then.

We never see a fat Jesus, so perhaps he had some secret.  Then again,
I'm guessing there was lots of walking back
then.
Kaz Kylheku - 28 Nov 2007 23:40 GMT
On Nov 28, 11:03 am, gvk2...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > Wiser to make LORD Jesus Christ your hero:
>
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> Just curious,  but "what would Jesus eat?" now,  and "what did he
> eat?"  then.

Jesus ate a lot of fish. Bread too, but quality stuff. And a little
wine here and there.

> We never see a fat Jesus, so perhaps he had some secret.

Jesus was totally ripped with six pack abs. Look at all the depictions
in Western art---gothic, Renaissance, you name it.

> Then again, I'm guessing there was lots of walking back
> then.

Ultramarathoning from one end of Galilee to the other.

Bad for the muscle mass, though.
Plan.YandZ@yahoo.com - 30 Nov 2007 20:17 GMT
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
> Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> becoming hard understand why I had such a problem with eating my
> whole

Hey --

I started taking Rhodiola based on twenty seconds of Oz on the late-
night airing of Oprah. He was talking about it as a libido enhancer, I
think, but he kept referring to it as an adaptogen. He also said it
reduced cortisol levels.

So I bought some and started taking it and I gotta say I have never
had such a noticeable, gradual improvement in symptoms ( stress
bombed, insomniac, lowwwww energy, foggy thinking) than I have with
this weird little herb. Also my body composition is changing. This
could also be due to diet and exercise, but I was developing sort of a
corticocomplex under my arms, at my bra strap and under my chin which
I knew was due to my weird adrenal meltdown. It's better now. Really a
*lot* better.

:). All from twenty seconds of Oz on Oprah.

c

That Barney Rubble! He sure can run!
Kaz Kylheku - 30 Nov 2007 20:55 GMT
On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, Plan.Ya...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Also my body composition is changing. This
> could also be due to diet and exercise, but I was developing sort of a
> corticocomplex under my arms, at my bra strap and under my chin which

Google: ``Your search - corticocomplex - did not match any
documents.''

You're not just making sh.t up, but creating new words, too!
Plan.YandZ@yahoo.com - 30 Nov 2007 21:20 GMT
> On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, Plan.Ya...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> You're not just making sh.t up, but creating new words, too!

:). hey man, that's how I roll.

Corticocomplex: (n) a composition of fat deposits on the upper
abdomen, upper back, shoulders, biceps, jaw and the back of the neck;
also "moon face" and "buffalo hump" deposits,  reflecting an abnormal
cortisol fluctuation due to disease in the adrenal/pituitary axis or
hormone-modulating drugs such as therapeutic steroids.

Of course there are no documents about this on Google! Doncha know all
the cool people are already on Internet 2?

c
Not that I'm on Internet 2. But I bet they say "corticocomplex" over
there all the time.
Ophelia - 01 Dec 2007 15:00 GMT
>> On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, Plan.Ya...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Not that I'm on Internet 2. But I bet they say "corticocomplex" over
> there all the time.

LOL
b_todten@yahoo.com - 03 Dec 2007 15:08 GMT
On Nov 30, 1:17 pm, Plan.Ya...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
> > Since I started following Dr. Oz's recommendations in April 2007, I
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> That Barney Rubble! He sure can run!

I've been using Rhodiola for quite a long while before Oz had that
brief clip about the herb.
All I can say is "WOW," but I am also glad I didn't do the weird Oz
practice of putting it in vodka.

Instead, we use the one that has all the clinical trials, the Swedish
brand (Swedish Herbal Institute) which you buy off the web and not in
stores. It is sold by their importer here, "ProActive BioProducts," at
www.proactivebio.com, or (reading the box. . . ) 877-282-5366.

C is right. So is OZ. Rhodiola is wonderful.

BT
 
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