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CindyB - 26 Nov 2007 06:48 GMT
Hi all,
How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
3-4 hours ago, my number was 221, and then an hour later it was 210
and then it was 197 and now, four hours later it is 150.  I feel like
hell, my head is pounding and I am sooooo tired. What would 220 be
converted? I think over here they want my number between 70 and 140.
I
am rarely at 140, that would be on a day I didn't eat much.  My
doctor
hasn't put me on any medicines so it is strickty food only and I am
really struggling with this.  I haven't been on here in a while as it
seems to go up no matter what I eat and I am frustrated and I feel
like I am totally failing at this and it sucks to feel like that.
Anyway, how do you convert the number? How do you know if you need to
be on medicine? What is the medicine like? Any side effects? I am
really scared, to be honest, and just don't know what to expect. But,
if I am headed that way, I should get prepared.  Please don't be too
harsh as I feel like hell and am kind of down right now. :(
Cindy
www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com
Julie Bove - 26 Nov 2007 07:13 GMT
> Hi all,
> How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Cindy
> www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

Divide your numbers by 18 to get the other kind of numbers.

What sorts of meals have you been eating?

Your numbers do sound like you need meds as well.  Metformin is usually the
one they start with.  Most common side effect is stomach upset so they
usually give you a low dose and ramp it up.  Other meds have other side
effects.  I've yet to have any side effects from meds, except for some
hypos.
Alan S - 26 Nov 2007 07:13 GMT
>Hi all,
>How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Cindy
>www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

My bad - you'll have to read my answer for your first
post:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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DonnaB shallotpeel - 26 Nov 2007 08:00 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:48:38 -0800 (PST) in Msg.#
<06e086ee-19b8-4e80-89e0-4f3219b7667e@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, CindyB
<ski4cindy@yahoo.com>  wrote:

> Hi all,
> How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> if I am headed that way, I should get prepared.  Please don't be too
> harsh as I feel like hell and am kind of down right now. :(

Cindy, you're in the US, right? If so, you don't need to convert your
numbers unless you specifically want to compare with non-USers.

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Nick Cramer - 26 Nov 2007 10:13 GMT
> Hi all,
> How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Cindy
> www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

Sorry you're feelin' not so good, Cindy. Hope ya feel better tomorrow.

To convert #'s, check out:

http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/converter.htm

Take care.

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Nicky - 26 Nov 2007 19:44 GMT
>I
>am rarely at 140, that would be on a day I didn't eat much.  My
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>seems to go up no matter what I eat and I am frustrated and I feel
>like I am totally failing at this and it sucks to feel like that.

Cindy, when you're diagnosed you're likely in a kind of glucose
poisoning. You've got to get your numbers low enough for long enough
to throw that off - and then you have a chance of staying under that
level, and feeling well full-time!

But I hate to say it - you're not going to get there eating pizza and
fast food. You gotta take care of yourself, gal!

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Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Helen Back - 27 Nov 2007 08:52 GMT
>>I
>>am rarely at 140, that would be on a day I didn't eat much.  My
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> But I hate to say it - you're not going to get there eating pizza and
> fast food. You gotta take care of yourself, gal!

This is what Cindy is having problems with - I dont think she can get her
head round the kinds of foods she should be eating, and maybe portion sizes?

Online advising and menu/recipe direction pointing are all well and good,
but a nutritionist sat in the same room with Cindy would be a more
productive idea by the sounds of it.

I dont want to insult Cindy by spelling it out to her - but if she is
willing - we could all spend some time giving her the basic does and donts.
I dont know!!!??!!!

*IF* recently dx simply dont *get it* - is meds the only option, then?
Alan S - 27 Nov 2007 10:37 GMT
>*IF* recently dx simply dont *get it* - is meds the only option, then?

Sometimes they do, but don't admit it initially.

And it's not that meds are the only option either. They are
just a tool that may not succeed if the diet is excessive
and the exercise is inadequate.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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hlmw - 26 Nov 2007 22:37 GMT
> Hi all,
> How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Cindy
> www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

Cindy, as they say, been there, done that. I had the same worrisome
doubts about dieting and measuring blood glucose levels. I had some
tremendous spikes up to 225 while trying out different kinds of food. It
really is trial and error. I tried to follow what others on this group
were doing, but it didn't always work for me. It really does take weeks
of working through the different kinds of foods. The main ones
recommended to me, with a fancy little booklet showing amounts were:
sugars, fats, and salt, dairy, starches. Carbs fitted in there
somewhere, however, I did not try to to do adapt to them them all at
once. I set carbs aside for a while.
I soon realized that breakfast was a problem, (too much brown bread) as
was the evening meal when I tended to load up and just sit instead of
exercising.
What I realized. finally, was that it was the portions that counted as
much as kinds of food. Think portions! That is what I was told and
virtually ignored the advice.
I then went on the roller-coaster of cutting back and cutting down. I
lost 15 lbs in a few months and became malnourished. I was lacking
needed protein.
Keep at it Cindy. It is very frustrating for a newbie. A lot of the help
here is useful, some isn't. Bear in mind that you are you and not
everybody's diet will work for you.
Here is the address of the Conversion Monitor from Joslin Diabetes
Centre. http://joslin.org/Beginners_ Guide_524.asp (watch out for the
underscores).
According to my chart, 70 (3.9) is far too low, no wonder you are tired
and lethargic.  140 (7.8) would be an acceptable reading for me in the
evening 2 hours after eating. My count drops fairly quickly and I need a
snack before bed.
It is a lot to absorb. Keep at it. Dieting does work. Numbers do come down.
Take care of yourself and think portions!
Lorna
Helen Back - 27 Nov 2007 14:52 GMT
>> Hi all,
>> How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> Take care of yourself and think portions!
> Lorna

Hear! Hear!

An example of portions:  Instead of one or two slices of bread - cut it to
one or even half.  If you are hungry, then bulk it up with loads of green
salad.

And a secret is to not mix your carbs with your proteins, i.e.  slice of ham
with potatoes.  Eat the ham with salad, and leave the spuds til another
meal.
And try to incorporate vegetable proteins like lentils - I make a wicked
lentil curry and once in a while, for a treat, I will add a few chunks of
potato.  But Ive stopped using refined (white) basmati or long grain rice.
I stick to brown basmati and wholemeal rice - which spike me if I put too
much on my plate.  So... its down to portion sizes again.

I'm not saying this works for everyone.... we are all different -  but I got
my bg numbers down quite dramatically within a few weeks of being taking all
the good advice and support from the lovely people in a.s.d.  and Ive lost
over two stone (28lbs) in weight - which I needed to do because of the
cholesterol/triglyceride side of things - having a family history of
congential heart disease.

I rarely go above 5.7 (102.6) unless I overload on portions and mixtures.  I
do use the treadmill twice a day and walk as much as I can too - it all
helps!!

Cindy - we all get our low days and sometimes want to throw all the good
work away and say "oh, just for today, I'll be bad" - but stick with it and
enjoy your food.  But, if you want a naughty food, just cut the portion
right down.

You can do it, girl! :)))
Jackie Patti - 27 Nov 2007 17:01 GMT
> Hear! Hear!
>
> An example of portions:  Instead of one or two slices of bread - cut it to
> one or even half.  If you are hungry, then bulk it up with loads of green
> salad.

This is a good idea for a thread.

One *can* eat when having pizza with friends.  Eat the toppings, or if
you can handle a single slice, load it up with the toppings off another
couple slices.

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DonnaB shallotpeel - 27 Nov 2007 18:01 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:01:34 -0500 in Msg.#
<474c4d6d$0$27028$470ef3ce@news.pa.net>, Jackie Patti <jpatti@ccil.org>
wrote:

> > Hear! Hear!
> >
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> you can handle a single slice, load it up with the toppings off another
> couple slices.

Eat thin crust pizza.

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Quentin Grady - 28 Nov 2007 08:45 GMT
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:48:38 -0800 (PST), CindyB
<ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>How do you convert the 10 or 11 in the other numbers. Tonight, about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>converted? I think over here they want my number between 70 and 140.
>I am rarely at 140, that would be on a day I didn't eat much.  

G'day G'day Cindy,

Delighted you've come back to asd.  It seems that for the moment you
are a bit out of sorts. That makes it a good time to take stock of
your assets and believe me you have already shown quite a few.

Firstly I notice that you are measuring your blood glucose levels
frequently.  That is a very positive step.  

Secondly you show concern for others.  Why else would you be
interested in finding out how to convert the US numbers to the
International numbers?  Many people become absorbed in their own
distress and don't think of such things.

Thirdly you are taking advice from some health professional.
 

Let's deal with the two systems for measuring blood glucose levels
since it is simple to do. The US system is the one that has the larger
numbers like the 221 you mentioned.  Everyone reading ASD will
understand these numbers so there is no need to convert them to the
International system. If you did, you'd divide the US numbers by 18.

You say they want your numbers between 70 and 140.  
I'm guessing "they" refers to a diabetic nurse, your GP or other
health professional.

The upper figure of 140 is quite ambitious.  

It is usually obtainable for T2 diabetics though not immediately and
not always without taking some medication.  

At the moment you could be suffering from what is called "glucose
intoxication."   What this means is you've had high levels of blood
glucose for a while and it takes a while before they behave normally
again.  

Or it could be that your choices of food contains too much
carbohydrate.  The problem isn't you. Its the choice of food and
knowing how to use the blood glucose readings constructively.

For this there is IMHO nothing better than Jennifer's guidance to the
newly diagnosed.  It worked for many, many people.  I have used it and
it worked for me.  

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

The lower figure of 70 is basically a lower warning level.  
It is for most people a level they would wish to avoid.

>My doctor hasn't put me on any medicines so it is strickty food only and I am
>really struggling with this.  

This is a sensible strategy adopted by many doctors today. At one time
there was a tendency to put patients on medication immediately and
give some advice on nutrition.  What they found happened was the
patients were lulled into a false sense of security by the
improvements obtained by the medication and did nothing to change
their lifestyle which was often the major contributor to T2 diabetes
in the first place.

Put simply, it is important to bring about improvements with a
lifestyle change whether you're on oral medication or not.  

This should involve exercise.  
That is the most important starting point.

And a change in diet to one that places less demand on the pancreas.
That means some restriction in carbohydrate.

Other aspects such as smoking cessation are also important if
relevant.

>I haven't been on here in a while as it
>seems to go up no matter what I eat and I am frustrated and I feel
>like I am totally failing at this and it sucks to feel like that.

OK, when we eat, blood glucose will go up almost regardless of what we
eat. Some things though will make it go up more than others.  That's
the sort of thing to notice.  Jennifer does it so well I'd like to
leave the initial discussion to her.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

However, I'll a make a comments that you might find helpful.

Vegetables have a high water content.  Water is absolutely calorie
free. Water is carbohydrate free.  Water will not bump  up your blood
glucose.  So if one eats those parts of vegetables that aren't used by
the plant for storage then you'll find it easier to control blood
glucose.  As a simple example the part of a cauliflower that we eat is
a part of a plant that is not used for energy storage.  The potato
that we eat is the part that the potato plant uses for energy storage.
By replacing potato with cauliflower one greatly reduces the risk of
high blood glucose levels.  

Put simply, one cup of potato is equal to five cups of cauliflower.

Or, cauliflower is five time safer than potato when it comes to
choosing a safe portion.

Some plant use grain as seed with an energy store for the next
generation.  Food made from flour is always a tricky choice when it
comes to controlling blood glucose.  

Bread for instance has 35% carbohydrate.  
A strawberry has something like 7%  

It is much, much safer to eat strawberries than to eat bread.
In fact strawberries are five times safer when it comes to getting the
portions correct.  

Some bread is safer than others.  It is called low GI bread.  In New
Zealand Burgen bread is of this type. When you get your blood glucose
under reasonable control then you might consider this. IMHO though it
is worth putting first things first and holding off the bread for the
moment if you can.  Test and find out what is true for you.  For some
people bread is never safe.  For me, sensible choices make it possible
in restricted amounts.

You might like to read the following and answer some the questions for
yourself.  Yes, I wrote it.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/D&E.htm

>Anyway, how do you convert the number?

Divide the US numbers by 18.

>How do you know if you need to be on medicine?

You doctor will have to make that decision.  Mine put me onto oral
medication immediately.  I don't know why he made that particular
decision.  For some people it is only a temporary thing to get them
past the "glucose intoxication" phase.  I was never that bad.  I've
been happy with his decision and have never had side affects
attributable to it.  

FWIIW, some medications such at metformin are reputed to have other
POSITIVE side effects such as lowering the risk of heart attacks.

>What is the medicine like? Any side effects? I am
>really scared, to be honest, and just don't know what to expect.

Each oral medication has its own affects.  Some that are used in New
Zealand where I live aren't used in the USA.  If your doctor puts you
on an oral medication I'm sure you'll find some folks here on the same
meds who can back up the information you receive from your doctor and
particularly the pharmacist with their own experience.  

>But, if I am headed that way, I should get prepared.  

Way to go.  I like the proactive attitude.

>Please don't be too harsh as I feel like hell and am kind of down right now. :(

Cindy, from a zillion miles away I'm impressed.  You might well be
scared but you're not so scared that you can't admit it.  You have
come out here and told it to us like it is.  To me that is an
invitation for admiration not harsh words.

>Cindy
>www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

Hoping you'll continue to post and ask questions.  As you learn you
support others who also want to learn but as yet are too shy to post.

Best wishes,
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Helen Back - 28 Nov 2007 12:31 GMT
A wonderfully informative and kind post!  I do hope Cindy reads it!!

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Quentin Grady - 29 Nov 2007 08:45 GMT
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>A wonderfully informative and kind post!  I do hope Cindy reads it!!

G'day G'day Helen,

 Thank you.  I started out writing from the hip as I'm sure many of
us are tempted to do.  Then I was called away.  

While away from the computer I began to reflect on what I had written
and wasn't pleased with where my reply was going. So I came back and
started again. It is not often that one receives acknowledgement when
one decides one can do better and gives it a go, so thank you Helen.
Point appreciated.

FWIIW the year I was diagnosed with multiple myeloma (a bone marrow
cancer unrelated to diet and lifestyle) coincided with me teaching
some life skills in a time management course.  For the course I put
together a page of principles for living successfully.  It behooved me
to put them into practice there and then since my life hung in the
balance since MM is a terminal illness. I had little to lose and a lot
to gain. Students are very astute at discerning when someone is
putting what they are teaching into practice so I could be confident
of being kept on track. <grin>

One simple dictum I taught was that if a situation needed some fixing
then first one had to find out what was A-OK. It is what an technician
does naturally on a repair job.  

When something doesn't work FIRST FIND OUT WHAT IS WORKING.  

When people have problems they present a text of all that is wrong
because everything FEELS as though it is going wrong.  Yet people are
remarkably resourceful and most other days cope splendidly.  With that
belief it took only a couple of minutes to notice that Cindy was
indeed a resourceful and capable person who was having some "bad hair
days" as it were finding herself in a situation she didn't yet fully
understand and have control over.  It would be only a matter of time.

******************************************************************

Today before reading your reply Helen, I reflected on what I'd said to
Cindy and there is a point I'd like to put right.

>> The upper figure of 140 is quite ambitious.
>>
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>> glucose for a while and it takes a while before they behave normally
>> again.

On reflection I think "glucose intoxication" is a bit on the dramatic
side for a description of what is likely to be happening. Drama isn't
something Cindy needed. The term is usually reserved for T2s that are
given a short course of insulin in order to get their blood glucose
down into the normal range where diet, exercise and perhaps oral meds
are all that are needed.  Her doctor would have taken such steps if
"glucose intoxication" as the term is more commonly used was a
possibility.  

I apologize for the loose use of the term.  The idea was OK.  

The usage overly dramatic and inappropriate. Sorry.

>> Or it could be that your choices of food contains too much
>> carbohydrate.  The problem isn't you. Its the choice of food and
>> knowing how to use the blood glucose readings constructively.

Much more likely.  It is very common for people to bring their blood
glucose down to below 140 at one hour and 120 at two hours simply by
choosing food items and portions correctly. (It might take some oral
meds as it did in my case or it might not.) If one chooses a diet
predominantly made up of high water content vegetables, lean meats,
fish, nuts, a little olive oil and berries then portions become
largely irrelevant.  These foods also make weight loss easier.  

I felt a strong degree of empathy for Cindy, FEELING that she had
tried EVERYTHING and nothing had worked to bring down her blood
glucose.  Such frustration must be very disheartening.  The point is
when we think of food we think of the food we are familiar with and
really do believe we have tried everything.  

Of course others have been their too and found to their surprise that
when they made changes that had worked FOR OTHERS, they have also
succeeded.  It comes as a real surprise that most of us aren't all
that different. (Though YMMV)

It is called modeling success.  
Do what many others have done to succeed.

Of all the options modeling success has the best success rate.

For this there is IMHO nothing better than Jennifer's guidance to the
newly diagnosed.  It worked for many, many people.  I have used it and
it worked for me.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

>>>Cindy
>>>www.adayinthelifeofcindy.blogspot.com

Thank you Cindy for posting.  Your post is very important to the
success of ASD. Out there in cyber land there are other newly
diagnosed T2 diabetics feeling as confused and frustrated for a while.
As yet they haven't had the courage to post and ask questions as you
have done.  Watching your progress and seeing your success they too
will learn how to go about getting control of their blood glucose.  It
is a doable thing.

Best wishes Cindy

and best wishes Helen,

Thank you for giving me a second chance to put my best foot forward.
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Chris Malcolm - 29 Nov 2007 10:41 GMT
>>> At the moment you could be suffering from what is called "glucose
>>> intoxication."   What this means is you've had high levels of blood
>>> glucose for a while and it takes a while before they behave normally
>>> again.

> On reflection I think "glucose intoxication" is a bit on the dramatic
> side for a description of what is likely to be happening. Drama isn't
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> "glucose intoxication" as the term is more commonly used was a
> possibility.  

> I apologize for the loose use of the term.  The idea was OK.  

> The usage overly dramatic and inappropriate. Sorry.

I interpreted your loose use of "glucose intoxication" as a way of
giving a term to a problem that many of us have mentioned here, and we
don't have a good word or reason for IIRC. As I wrote a few months
ago:

"Reining in wild BGs can be like breaking in a wild horse. It takes
 time and patience before the behaviour settles down into something
 reasonably predictable and controllable."

In other words there can be a period of time, maybe several weeks
long, in which we seem to have tried everything to get our BGs down
without much success. But we go on persevering, and the BGs go on very
slowly coming into better control, without us apparently doing
anything different. It's as though we had to tame them, and apart from
anything else, that sometimes requires just patience and time while
they settle down.

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Quentin Grady - 30 Nov 2007 04:28 GMT
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>>>> At the moment you could be suffering from what is called "glucose
>>>> intoxication."   What this means is you've had high levels of blood
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>anything else, that sometimes requires just patience and time while
>they settle down.

G'day G'day Chris,

Reining in wild BG is indeed rather like breaking in wild horses from
the comments made by some posters. Love the metaphor.  

It does take time for them to settle down.  I especially liked the
point you made that they do come under control in time without us
apparently doing anything different. Perhaps we do make small changes
as we get things fully coordinated. More likely though it takes time
for the system to stabilise. Any sudden change induces instability.
Its as simple as that.  

That can be hard to accept when people are feeling at the end of their
tether with frustration.  Hope reading your comments will help some
newbies feel better about the situation they find themselves in and
encourage them to persevere.

Best wishes and thank you Chris,
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Helen Back - 03 Dec 2007 08:39 GMT
I'm top posting because I didnt want to snip anything! Thank you for the
thank you!!

Sadly, I dont think Cindy reads many of the responses because of her busy
life schedule.  Its a shame, as your posts could be deemed as uplifting and
informative.

Of course, I assume she isnt reading the responses!!!! :))

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> Thank you for giving me a second chance to put my best foot forward.
Quentin Grady - 03 Dec 2007 09:27 GMT
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>I'm top posting because I didnt want to snip anything! Thank you for the
>thank you!!
>
>Sadly, I dont think Cindy reads many of the responses because of her busy
>life schedule.  Its a shame, as your posts could be deemed as uplifting and
>informative.

G'day G'day Helen,

 You appear to know Cindy better than I do.  

I still think about her on occasions though.  Maybe this happens to
other people.  I don't know.  

As I was getting out of the shower this morning I thought
"I bet Cindy can sing much better than I can."

Even in the shower I don't sing that well.   <grin>

When people are having a bad hair day it is easy to forget that they
are highly resourceful and bound to be much more skilled at something
than we'll ever be.

>Of course, I assume she isnt reading the responses!!!! :))

Now that is the point, isn't it.  We may think we know what is
happening for other people but in reality we don't.

Best wishes and thanks Helen,
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Helen Back - 03 Dec 2007 15:41 GMT
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>  You appear to know Cindy better than I do.

Not *that* well... but I remember her saying she leads a busy life with her
children and is also a bit of a greenhorn when it comes to newsgroups and/or
the web in general.

> I still think about her on occasions though.  Maybe this happens to
> other people.  I don't know.

Yes, I think of *strangers* often  - sometimes as much as of those I love
and know very well.

> As I was getting out of the shower this morning I thought
> "I bet Cindy can sing much better than I can."
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> Even in the shower I don't sing that well.   <grin>

I had a giggle here!!!  Who cares if you "dont sing that well"... it's the
*singing* thats important :)))

> When people are having a bad hair day it is easy to forget that they
> are highly resourceful and bound to be much more skilled at something
> than we'll ever be.

I know what I am good at and what could break me - and I am amazed at others
who have conquered adversity in a way that would rip me apart.

>>Of course, I assume she isnt reading the responses!!!! :))
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> Now that is the point, isn't it.  We may think we know what is
> happening for other people but in reality we don't.

Very true.

> Best wishes and thanks Helen,

Best wishes to you and thank you for lovely reading and the odd giggle :))

btw, may I ask............. how is your MM affecting you these days (other
than giving you an ecstatically wonderful philosophy on mostly everything!)?
I apologise if you have updated recently or in the past, I just havent
looked for it!
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>btw, may I ask............. how is your MM affecting you these days (other
>than giving you an ecstatically wonderful philosophy on mostly everything!)?
>I apologise if you have updated recently or in the past, I just havent
>looked for it!

G'day G'day Helen,

 I happened to notice that my oncologist's notes had the following in
large print at the bottom "In remission"   I think it was there as
guidance to the interns I get on some visits.  Apart from the MM, my
blood tests indicate I'm extremely healthy.  

Thalidomide the drug they give me is successful in 60% of cases but
has side effects in 80% of cases.  Its about the best there is.

In general I'm doing better, managing to do more things like people
without MM. Yesterday I painted an outdoor table. The day before a
park bench. However I go through some terrible patches.  I managed to
trap a nerve and had several days of excruciating pain.  Despite that
I managed to come here and stay focused on the needs of posters.  

People have been good to me and I owe something in return.

Best wishes,
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>  I happened to notice that my oncologist's notes had the following in
>large print at the bottom "In remission"

Just two words - but they can mean so much. Wonderful news
Quentin.

>I think it was there as
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>Best wishes,

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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> Best wishes,

Yes, love is a truly wonderful thing.  People being good to us makes us feel
worthwhile and important - and it is important that we feel that way.
"In remission" as AlanS says are two wonderful words.
Bless you....   and keep up the altruistic work - its as good for you as it
is to others.

Thank you Quentin...
 
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