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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2007ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which is supported by Bernstein. http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/results.php?storyarticle=5299 "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets? Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its recommendations of getting most of our calories from carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that taking more medications rather then reducing the carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients with diabetes? Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances," has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are so far not showing the ill effects that were feared. Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect advances in the scientific understanding of how best to treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008 document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets can be helpful some diabetics. We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue of the journal Diabetes Care." end quote. Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One less brick in the wall. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now? Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. KROM > Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which > is supported by Bernstein. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. > "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message >> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling >> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is >> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a >> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One >> less brick in the wall. So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma. (- -) =m=(_)=m= RodS T2 Australia >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg >> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> -- >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com >> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts mmm..12 grains of rice... Beats my none..lol. Altho i had some chinese a while ago that had some of wifes rice from her meal spilled in and i did fine... I do miss general tso chicken with wgite rice. Im gonna have to creat a good sub for it..maybe using almond flour to deep fry the chicken for the crisp coating and make the sauce with splenda... KROM >> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com >>> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma. 12 grains of (brown) rice 11 sips of milk 10 mls of juice 9 bites of oatmeal 8 licks of ice cream 7 grains of sugar 6 grams of potato 5 goldennnnn corns 4 orange segments 3 tater tots 2 quarters of grain bread and 1 zero-fat diet. >>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >2 quarters of grain bread >and 1 zero-fat diet. and a partridge in a Pear tree... Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >>>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >>>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. stay away from the pear tree but enjoy the partridge.  SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always >>>> advocated [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > and a partridge in a Pear tree... Does partridge have fat in it? mmm...grilled partridge! eccept for the red haired kid..be he tastes gross! KROM > and a partridge in a Pear tree... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com > Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >mmm...grilled partridge! > >eccept for the red haired kid..be he tastes gross! > >KROM have you seen him on his live show? SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > >> and a partridge in a Pear tree... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com >> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 2 quarters of grain bread > and 1 zero-fat diet. I kind of like that! :) > >> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > >> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 2 quarters of grain bread > and 1 zero-fat diet. This simply illustrates how without weighing, folks are clueless about how much they are eating. Suggested reading: http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/0803717a.html It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Our armchair diatition opines: "This simply illustrates how without weighing, folks are clueless about how much they are eating." Silly, knowing ones dinner weighs 1 pound tells nothing about carb content. Nutritional content for foods by serving or volume or numberetc. is easily found on packaging. If one wants, it can also be weighed but that would be a redundent activity. Additional evidence that the source can and should be ignored. God bless. >>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 2 quarters of grain bread > and 1 zero-fat diet. ...... and a partridge in a pear tree John "RodS" <fred@fred.com> a écrit ... >> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated >> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma. ... when it used to be 5 loaves and 2 fishes ? > Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and > follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now? I will still recommend newbies work with a dietitian. > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. I agree, just because I do better on a diet higher in carbs does not mean I do not control the amount I eat. My diet from day 1 has motivated me to become more active which in the long run is much better for my body and mind. Nice troll and you will be happy to know that comments like yours have always been welcomed against fellow diabetics that post here. It is also why I strongly recommend the message boards at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. I still post there but being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others. Nice troll tho. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web Site. http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=index&webtag=amdiabetesz&redi rCnt=1 Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association www.diabetes.org Information on Specific Types of Fat. http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/foodlabel/specific-fats.jsp > KROM > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com >> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted every so often >also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted >every so often It was posted for the first time in "Diabetes in Control" yesterday. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted >>every so often [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. I am not surprised that I would read something like that on a site that has Atkins and Bernstein ads but not on the ADA web site. this is not the first time a post was made here saying the ADA is changing its thinking. I did not say the other posts and I don't have the time to find them but I will save this post. as for me I will continue telling newbie's they have a choice on what kind of diet to follow but strongly suggest they get help from a dietitian. We all have different needs and those needs change as our bodies change. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web Site. http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=index&webtag=amdiabetesz&redi rCnt=1 Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association www.diabetes.org Information on Specific Types of Fat. http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/foodlabel/specific-fats.jsp >>>also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted >>>every so often [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >strongly suggest they get help from a dietitian. We all have different >needs and those needs change as our bodies change. Tom, this may seem like a novel concept to you, but it can be very useful to actually read the information at the web-site when someone posts a url. Usefel in the sense that you then know what the discussion is about before commenting on it. My opening words in the initial post were: "Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which is supported by Bernstein. http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/results.php?storyarticle=5299 "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets? " Now you write: >>>also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted >>>every so often followed by, when told it was only published this week: >>I am not surprised that I would read something like that on a site that has >>Atkins and Bernstein ads but not on the ADA web site. Do you ever feel you're missing something? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King Jr. > also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted > every so often Um... Oooooookay. >also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted >every so often the article posted came from this issue: Diabetes in Control.com Newsletter The Newsletter for Professionals in Diabetes Care "November 21, 2007 - Issue #391 So how and when was it posted before? SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted > every so often WTF? The ADA have never, prior to this time, ever made a statement even remotely like that. > news:fi0vv4$f1m$1@aioe.org... > > > Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and > > follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now? > > I will still recommend newbies work with a dietitian. I do, too. Most people who are newly diagnosed with diabetes know very little about the disease. It's a complicated one and working with a professional is key to starting to understand the many lifestyle changes that someone has to make. A doctor, preferably and endo, along with a nurtitionist, CDE, and attending some diabetes groups...in person not on the Internet...will provide a foundation upon which a newly diagnosed diabetic can build. It's not a disease where someone learns all they need to know in a couple of months and then moves on. For me, as with most diabetics, learning about the disease is an ongoing lifelong "adventure." > > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > which in the long run > is much better for my body and mind. Knowing the ADA they won't be so foolish as to give a specific "eat this many carbs" a day mandate. What really constitutes low carb anyway? Many people would call what I eat "low carb" but in this newsgroup I have been labeled an ADA high carber. :) Whatever changes they make to their dietary recommendations I would be willing to wager it won't be anything extreme and it won't be enough to satisfy the low carb advocates in here or other sites. Hopefully, the ADA will continue to drive home the point that everyone is different and we each must work with a professional to determine what our particular needs are. > Nice troll and you will be happy to know that comments like yours have > always been welcomed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others. > Nice troll tho. I took the bait in this case because I think so many things about the ADA get misrepresented or joked about that there needs to be at least a couple of opinions that are contrary to the majority anti-ADAspeak that gets posted here. I have no problem with any "side" proclaiming what they feel is the right approach to diabetes, but in turn I expect those people to allow an alternate viewpoint. In my opinion, one change the ADA might consider is separating the "Weight Loss & Exercise" button on their opening page. Both are extremely important and shouldn't be lumped together. It dilutes the importance of each one. But I do like what they have to say about exercise and how important it is to all diabetics. My thoughts on a Wednesday. Kurt >It is also why I strongly >recommend the message boards >at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. I >still post there but >being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others. You do? I must have missed you. You must use a totally different style there. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >>It is also why I strongly >>recommend the message boards [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >You do? I must have missed you. You must use a totally >different style there. not to mention a different name. but hiding behind another name after getting in trouble under a known name is not unusual for sushiboy aka howmany names now? SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and > follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now? Eat my carbs, same as before. > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. Nope. Enjoy your 5 grams of carbs per day. > KROM > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and > follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now? > > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol. Or that they always advocated "never question or criticize the experts." SignatureWes Groleau http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/ For lovers of language and learning > Or that they always advocated > "never question or criticize the experts." "He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." SignatureWes Groleau Don't get even -- get odd! The ADA's dietary advice is to work with a dietitian they dont want newbies to create a diet based on what is on their page. They have for a very long time supported diets ranging from 40% fat way down to ultra low fat for some people. they do not believe in the one size fits all that is in many books. While what is written on their page may some day change. they never said ALL diabetics should eat 65% carbs but to work with a dietitian. also while others here know this but it does not work well in when they do their finger pointing. I have always felt diabetics should have a choice between low fat or high fat diets. For me tho low carb is not the way to go. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web Site. http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=index&webtag=amdiabetesz&redi rCnt=1 Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association www.diabetes.org Information on Specific Types of Fat. http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/foodlabel/specific-fats.jsp > For me tho low carb is not the way to go. Tom, glad you've found what works for you. How did you control your bg levels when you were laid up all that time with a bad back ? cheers Paul >The ADA's dietary advice is to work with a dietitian they dont want newbies >to create a diet based on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >ALL diabetics should eat 65% carbs but >to work with a dietitian. every dietician I have worked with has always ignored the ADA basic guidelines and had me work for a diet that did not require me to increase insulin simply to eat more. Which meant moderate carb intake. >also while others here know this but it does not work well in when they do >their finger pointing. >I have always felt diabetics should have a choice between low fat or high >fat diets. since you are not a diabetic dietician, and you have only followed your wife's diet created for her needs, (by your own admission), your opinion about what a dietician would say for a diabetic is dubious. >For me tho low carb is not the way to go. Good for you, no one is preventing you from following your own choices. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . <stuff> not relevant to my question. Mack, please excuse the hijacking of this part of the thread, but there is an important question I have to ask. Could you have a look at http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.support.diabetes/browse_thread/thread/28c1d125 2e3fe523/7dbfd3e8e425f932?hl=en&lnk=st&q=%22Thermodynamics%2C+again%22+group%3Aa lt.support.diabetes#7dbfd3e8e425f932 If that wraps, try http://tinyurl.com/18r or, if you want to preview the target, http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r It's a Google Groups search result for a message, seemingly from you, in the thread entitled "Thermodynamics, again". On that page, do a search for "On Nov 20, 4:59 pm" This will take you to a post by Randy, followed by a post from you, in which a URL is quoted from Randy's message, but is modified, and which takes you to a porn site. Thanks. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) ><stuff> not relevant to my question. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Thanks. already answered. the site he posting a link to is a scam site selling a weight loss book. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >><stuff> not relevant to my question. >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >the site he posting a link to is a scam site selling a weight loss >book. Fine, but the way to counter that is to tell folks it's a scam, not to change the URL to a porn site index. You disappoint me, Mack. You really do. I thought you were better than that. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) >>><stuff> not relevant to my question. >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >You disappoint me, Mack. You really do. I thought you were better than >that. it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the address. even with the typo it does not come up with anything linking to porn when I click on it. jumping to false conclusions and then telling me are disappointed in me because of action I did not take, doesn't bother me. many people jump to conclusions without facts. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>><stuff> not relevant to my question. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >address. even with the typo it does not come up with anything linking >to porn when I click on it. 1. You obviously don't know don't how DNS works 2. You obviously don't realize that the actions of a site when a file is not found, are under the control of the contents of that site as provided by the web site's authors. Frankly, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when it came to the way the address was munged, but I am becoming less inclined to do so as you say more, because you don't seem to realize that your action was inappropriate. >jumping to false conclusions and then telling me are disappointed in >me because of action I did not take, doesn't bother me. many people >jump to conclusions without facts. I did not jump to a false conclusion. You changed a the contents of a quoted posting, and that is totally unacceptable. This is an accusation that you have admitted to, and is, therefor, not a false one. I am indeed disappointed in you, but not because of the resulting destination of the URL, but because you presented it as another participant's words. That, sir, is dishonest. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) >I did not jump to a false conclusion. You changed a the contents of a >quoted posting, and that is totally unacceptable. This is an >accusation that you have admitted to, and is, therefor, not a false >one. it is a practice that has been in use for a very long time. And Not just by me in this group and others. just because you do not like it, does not mean a thing to the rest of he world. >I am indeed disappointed in you, but not because of the resulting >destination of the URL, but because you presented it as another >participant's words. That, sir, is dishonest. no sir it is not. changing the url to something sarcastic is simply being sarcastic. I hope you choose to have a better day. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software >> is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the >> address. even with the typo it does not come up with anything linking >> to porn when I click on it. Giving Mack _and_ Oleg the benefit of the doubt, probably the address happened to have pron put on it after Mack posted it, but discovered and deleted by the hosting company after Oleg clicked on it. Still, perhaps changing a scam site's URI to "(harmful scam deleted)" is better than merely altering it. But _either_ is better than reposting garbage like so many people do! SignatureWes Groleau Change is inevitable. We need to learn that "inevitable" is neither a synonym for "good" nor for "bad." -- WWG >>> it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software >>> is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but discovered and deleted by the hosting company after Oleg >clicked on it. No, it's still there. And yes, I do know how to make the page reload. >Still, perhaps changing a scam site's URI to >"(harmful scam deleted)" is better than merely altering it. Yes indeed. >But _either_ is better than reposting garbage like so many people do! I disagree. Changing another person's words and presenting them as a quote is dishonest and abhorrent. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) > I disagree. Changing another person's words and presenting them as a > quote is dishonest and abhorrent. When it's done so we know they've been changed, it's not dishonest. And how can altering abhorrent material be abhorrent? SignatureWes Groleau ----------- "Thinking I'm dumb gives people something to feel smug about. Why should I disillusion them?" -- Charles Wallace (in _A_Wrinkle_In_Time_) >> I disagree. Changing another person's words and presenting them as a >> quote is dishonest and abhorrent. > >When it's done so we know they've been changed, it's not dishonest. > >And how can altering abhorrent material be abhorrent? There are plenty of ways to get your point across without altering another poster's words and presenting them as if quoted. Snipping the actual link, noting that it's been snipped, and presenting an altered link as your own words, comes immediately to mind. Anyway, enough. I've killfiled Mack. I am done with trying to get him to see the error of his ways, and I'n sure not going to spend much time on anyone who can't see that what he did is unacceptable. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) >Anyway, enough. I've killfiled Mack. I am done with trying to get him >to see the error of his ways, and I'n sure not going to spend much >time on anyone who can't see that what he did is unacceptable. your control issues aside, did even bother to read the pdf file from the scammer's web site then read the opening page of the scammer's web site and see how both are little more than just a mirror image of the other? I hope you are having a better day. I'm getting ready to pack everything up in the cars and head over to the kid's house. Hope you are not spending your day alone. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>Anyway, enough. I've killfiled Mack. I am done with trying to get him >>to see the error of his ways, and I'n sure not going to spend much >>time on anyone who can't see that what he did is unacceptable. > >your control issues aside, No control issues. I just don't have time to deal with dishonesty. > did even bother to read the pdf file from >the scammer's web site then read the opening page of the scammer's web >site and see how both are little more than just a mirror image of the >other? Yes, but it has nothing to do with you changing another poster's words and presenting them as his. >I hope you are having a better day. I'm getting ready to pack >everything up in the cars and head over to the kid's house. Hope you >are not spending your day alone. I never spend my days alone. Slightly changing your name is a rather childish thing to do. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) >> did even bother to read the pdf file from >>the scammer's web site then read the opening page of the scammer's web >>site and see how both are little more than just a mirror image of the >>other? > >Yes, so was it or was it not what I said it was. if not, why not? SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>Anyway, enough. I've killfiled Mack. I am done with trying to get him >>>to see the error of his ways, and I'n sure not going to spend much [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No control issues. I just don't have time to deal with dishonesty. No, time???? You seem to have PLENTY to obsess over nothing much! Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No, time???? I started to say "I have no time to continue to deal with dishonesty", but went to change it to "I don't have the patience...". So sue me >You seem to have PLENTY to obsess over nothing much! I am completely amazed at the apathy I find here when it comes to issues like this. It teaches me that I should keep my opinions to myself, lest I step on someone's pet theory and become a target of an "anything goes" regular. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) > >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > myself, lest I step on someone's pet theory and become a target of an > "anything goes" regular. Don't let a few vocal bullies run you off, Larry. You have just as much right to post here as anyone else and hearing an alternative opinion to the mobspeak is not only welcomed, it's necessary. If you want to see obsession, stick around and watch the obsession over the ADA, low carb diets, amateur advice over professional, doctor bashing, something Tom wrote years ago taken out of context of what happened back then, and on and on. You've been chastised for not letting this go after just a day and a half. Yeah, that's obsession. :) Like I said in a previous post(s) the majority of people in the newsgroup are very supportive and helpful. And this is a good and unmoderated forum in which people exchange diabetes information. Don't let a couple of jerks get in the way of participating. I look forward to your continued involvement. Kurt >> >x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >Don't let a couple of jerks get in the way of participating. I look >forward to your continued involvement. O, I won't be running off. I'll just not bother to argue with anyone who would (or who would condone), browbeating, personal attacks, misquoting, and so on. Funny thing is, I pretty much agree with the low-carb crowd, because it seems to work for me. That being said, however, I sure have seen some bad behaviour on the part of those who think the same. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) > Funny thing is, I pretty much agree with the low-carb crowd, because > it seems to work for me. That being said, however, I sure have seen > some bad behaviour on the part of those who think the same. Agreeing with someone on one point does not necessarily mean you'll agree with them on others. More importantly, liking people and agreeing with them are not necessarily correlated. Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ Jackie Patti wrote in message <474745ff$0$27014$470ef3ce@news.pa.net>... >More importantly, liking people and agreeing with them are not >necessarily correlated. A big huge ditto on that one Jackie. Cheri >>> >x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > it seems to work for me. That being said, however, I sure have seen > some bad behaviour on the part of those who think the same. As you can tell from my posts, with a couple of notable objections, I pretty much get along with everyone. I don't try to browbeat or pretend that MY viewpoint is the one that matters. That being said, I have gone back and checked out where Mack has done the things you describe. To be honest, I see nothing disingenuous or malicious. To me, what he does is parody. Some of them are kind of funny actually. Do you think any of Weird Al's parodies were done with malicious intent? IMHO, you should look at them in the spirit they were intended. You are free to do as you please of course, but sometimes you just have to look at things with different eyes. SignatureT2 - DX Oct. '96 - Lantus, oral meds, and diet Remember...the only stupid question is the one you DIDN'T ask. You know what to do with the addy, to reply by email > I am completely amazed at the apathy I find here when it comes to > issues like this. It teaches me that I should keep my opinions to > myself, lest I step on someone's pet theory and become a target of an > "anything goes" regular. Not at all. You should just stop being so concerned about how others behave on usenet and forget about trying to modify their behavior, using kill files if that fails. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >usenet and forget about trying to modify their behavior, using kill >files if that fails. When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument from authority, and so on. This is not confined to usenet. Rather it is the basis of civilized disagreement and debate. I can and will use killfiles. I remain appalled at the acceptance of argument by deliberate misquote. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I can and will use killfiles. I remain appalled at the acceptance of > argument by deliberate misquote. I saw nothing wrong with what he did. > When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which > are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can and will use killfiles. I remain appalled at the acceptance of > argument by deliberate misquote. I do, too, but I don't think that was a point in debate, I think it was mistinterpreted as such. It's not a practice I engage in nor endorse, please understand, just one that's not uncommon among those who feel particularly vigilant about policing commercial links on usenet, and not one it's worth expending time an energy discussing. IMO, of course. Susan >When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which >are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I can and will use killfiles. I remain appalled at the acceptance of >argument by deliberate misquote. Larry, you seemed like a reasonable bloke until this thing came up. You've made your point. Ad nauseum. The horse is well and truly dead and turned into chevalburgers, flogging it further is pointless. Would you please do whatever you have to do, killfile those you feel you need to, and then get on with it. Eventually you may find your killfiles redundant if those in your kf already have you in theirs. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts >>When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which >>are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >truly dead and turned into chevalburgers, flogging it >further is pointless. I have tried to stop flogging it, Alan, and posts like yours, as well as those from a few others, are in the way of me doing that. >Would you please do whatever you have to do, killfile those >you feel you need to, and then get on with it. Eventually >you may find your killfiles redundant if those in your kf >already have you in theirs. SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) > >>When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which > >>are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >you may find your killfiles redundant if those in your kf > >already have you in theirs. And you don't want to end up in Alan's killfile because he'll keep you there till just seconds before your next post hits his screen. And that could be devastating to him because replying would be as irresistible as a tub of pasta after 24 hours offline. Bob >>>When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which >>>are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I have tried to stop flogging it, Alan, and posts like yours, as well >as those from a few others, are in the way of me doing that. Other people are in control of your life? so brilliant, yet so powerless. By the way, I didn't make this post because of you, I made it because I chose too. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>>When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which >>>>are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > By the way, I didn't make this post because of you, I made it because > I chose too. THIS IS MY QUOTE HE WHO HIDES BEHIND AN EMAIL IS FULL OF CRAP >>>>>When arguing a point of view, there are a number of techniques which >>>>>are considered to be dishonest. "Strawman, personal attack, argument [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > THIS IS MY QUOTE > HE WHO HIDES BEHIND AN EMAIL IS FULL OF CRAP Sounds like you don't know the difference between email and a newsgroup post, and the difference in the advisibility of using correct return addresses in the two. Looks like you don't know that posting in ALL CAPITALS is treated the same as shouting, and likely to get you ignored. Maybe you have an extreme case of constipation. > HE WHO HIDES BEHIND AN EMAIL IS FULL OF CRAP We who are enlightened should hide the email from he who is full of caps. SignatureWes Groleau Promote multi-use trails in northeast Indiana! http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/ >> HE WHO HIDES BEHIND AN EMAIL IS FULL OF CRAP > >We who are enlightened should hide the email >from he who is full of caps. Gee, thanks, Wes - now I have some nice Shiraz on my keyboard : ) Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >> HE WHO HIDES BEHIND AN EMAIL IS FULL OF CRAP > > We who are enlightened should hide the email > from he who is full of caps. tinw >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I can and will use killfiles. I remain appalled at the acceptance of >argument by deliberate misquote. so in this post you prove yourself a liar since you had no problem with randy's "punk a.s bitch" language. your so called value system is apparently inconsistent. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:02 -0600, in alt.support.diabetes <879ek3th46o24mtbtju7rs0oof32b4av2d@4ax.com> Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> wrote: > I started to say "I have no time to continue to deal with dishonesty", > but went to change it to "I don't have the patience...". So sue me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > myself, lest I step on someone's pet theory and become a target of an > "anything goes" regular. I thought you had already put this away & I was a day late? Oops, huh? Far from apathetic ... SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "A skilled writer is always aware of how he wants his readers to feel at any given moment in the story. Mastering the art of setups and payoffs will help ensure that whoever reads your work will keep asking for more - and this is how literary careers are built." - William Kowalski, The Writer, April 2007 >On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:02 -0600, in alt.support.diabetes ><879ek3th46o24mtbtju7rs0oof32b4av2d@4ax.com> Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I thought you had already put this away & I was a day late? Seems I am not being allowed to put it away. >Oops, huh? > >Far from apathetic ... SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Last A1c 8.1 (at DX) In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:25:06 -0600 in Msg.# <htgfk39gbpl97u7n6qgng7chbm5pue3gkf@4ax.com>, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> wrote: > >On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:02 -0600, in alt.support.diabetes > ><879ek3th46o24mtbtju7rs0oof32b4av2d@4ax.com> Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Seems I am not being allowed to put it away. Really?!! I can't imagine how anyone could prevent you via Usenet. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel, T2 since June 06, USA, last HbA1c 5.3 "A little simplification would be the first step toward rational living, I think." - Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) US first lady >I am completely amazed at the apathy I find here when it comes to >issues like this. It teaches me that I should keep my opinions to >myself, lest I step on someone's pet theory and become a target of an >"anything goes" regular. hook, line and Wes Wrote: > When it's done so we know they've been changed, it's not dishonest. > And how can altering abhorrent material be abhorrent? The link to the pdf I posted is neither spam or "abhorrent". Justifying Mack behavour on this point groundless. I'd welcome Frank,s view on this as he acutally read the pdf. He also a fair guy that usually disagrees with me. Randy . Hi Randy: > Wes Wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Randy I suspect that a lot of people know more about netiquette than I do. I have seen Mack's post since about the Fall of 2002 and he is generally a protector of the diabetes newsgroups from spammers, trolls, and psychopaths. Some of them like Chung and Ironjustice just won't go away. I did read Chapters 1 to 3 of the so called critique. The guy was spamming his book no doubt. Yet as I mentioned before and this is conditional since I have never read anything to my recollection written by Michael Eades. The chapter 2 critique of Eades in regard to comparing Keyes' study to a more recent one with quite different subjects and much less calorie restriction was valid. This not to say that I don't have problems with Keyes use of rabbits in his cholesterol studies, i.e., rabbits while mammals are not omnivores. Both spammers and trolls are a big pain in this media. I did not get a porno site with the link that appeared to me, yet I would agree with the general consensus that the link could have been just as easily omitted. I suspect the author of the critique was not that knowledgeable of the biological sciences and I would not have used him as a source myself. You have not done a lot of posting that has been archived with your e-mail address that you have used here. Most of your posts elsewhere have been related to computers, but this changed in 2007 - http://tinyurl.com/2r2t63. In alt.support.diabetes Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> wrote: >>>> it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software >>>> is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>but discovered and deleted by the hosting company after Oleg >>clicked on it. > No, it's still there. And yes, I do know how to make the page reload. >>Still, perhaps changing a scam site's URI to >>"(harmful scam deleted)" is better than merely altering it. > Yes indeed. >>But _either_ is better than reposting garbage like so many people do! > I disagree. Changing another person's words and presenting them as a > quote is dishonest and abhorrent. That's not what happened here. It wasn't words that were changed, but an URL which was believed to be a scam, and it was changed to insert the word "scam" into it. If more people had paused and looked again before posting then 95% of what has been posted on this topic wouldn't even have been written. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > That's not what happened here. It wasn't words that were changed, but > an URL which was believed to be a scam, and it was changed to insert > the word "scam" into it. It's one thing to go cyber cop on anonymous hit-and-run spammers and it's another to purposely change a link posted by a known poster. Randy has been posting in this newsgroup for some time and has established himself. Altering his link was wrong no matter how someone, and their buddies, try to justify it. Most sites come with some sort of "spam" if you really want to call it that. Someone posted a Gretchen Becker article the other day and it contained advertisements...why not protect us from that spam? Blog sites are posted here all the time and if you go to them there are a number of advertisements on them...why not protect us from that spam? I'll tell you why, because ads are a part of a getting free information. You don't have to buy the books advertised or click on the links that take you to pay services. Just read the info and move on. Easy. Randy deserves an apology and to anyone with a modicum of objectivity he is not a spammer and did not deserve what was done to him. The fact that people are justifying the hostile act towards him speaks volumes about the mob mentality that permeates this newsgroup by a vocal few. It's just plain wrong. Kurt >> That's not what happened here. It wasn't words that were changed, but >> an URL which was believed to be a scam, and it was changed to insert [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >someone, and their buddies, try to justify it. Most sites come with >some sort of "spam" if you really want to call it that. the only real reason you joined in on this is the same reason you always do, to argue against the anyone you do not like and to egg on arguments between posters while you sit back and laugh at everyone involved including Randy. The issue with the site he quoted wasn't spam, as they(the people who run the site) weren't spamming us. It was that Randy, as brilliant as he thinks himself to be, was quoting a scam site/ SCAM, and he actually believed it was a legit and trustworthy source of info. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > >> it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software > >> is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > neither a synonym for "good" nor for "bad." > -- WWG The link I posted was not spam. Period. All justifications on Mack behavour based on this supposition is false I would welcome Frank's (Jefferson's) input oh this as he actually took the time to read the PDF, and is fair minded. Randy Look, people have had ample time to consider this & digest it. [cough, cough, ahem, late after Turkey Day] And, people have reached their own conclusions about what was or wasn't spam & what was or wasn't appropriate munging of a spam URL. Things have devolved into repetition. Why not just put it away? Top posting, unusually, for cause. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel, T2 since June 06, USA, last HbA1c 5.3 "A good cup of tea is better than sex." - Boy George In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:24:42 -0600 in Msg.# <t28ak3l3c3v9bsnibduva5lh1vi1v6mlgf@4ax.com>, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> wrote: > >><stuff> |
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