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Nick Cramer - 16 Nov 2007 03:41 GMT
FBG was 90. Then I had dinner. Asparagus and fresh cooked crab really go
nice together. Jun used oyster sauce instead of Hollandaise. 1 hour BG was
109.I expected it to be a lot higher because that oyster sauce is so sweet,
but she didn't use much of it.

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Alan S - 16 Nov 2007 05:51 GMT
>FBG was 90. Then I had dinner. Asparagus and fresh cooked crab really go
>nice together. Jun used oyster sauce instead of Hollandaise. 1 hour BG was
>109.I expected it to be a lot higher because that oyster sauce is so sweet,
>but she didn't use much of it.

Yep. Seafood, together with the right ingredients, can be
great. I do a "Singapore Chili Crab" that has no effect at
all on my BG's. Part of the secret is to have it in the
shell so that it takes ages to eat:-)

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Nick Cramer - 16 Nov 2007 06:00 GMT
> <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> all on my BG's. Part of the secret is to have it in the
> shell so that it takes ages to eat:-)

Heh heh! You're a better man than I am, Alan. Jun picks all the meat out
for me. A soft shelled Chesapeake crab sandwich, however, was wonderful 30
years ago.

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Quentin Grady - 20 Nov 2007 07:34 GMT
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>FBG was 90. Then I had dinner. Asparagus and fresh cooked crab really go
>nice together. Jun used oyster sauce instead of Hollandaise. 1 hour BG was
>109.I expected it to be a lot higher because that oyster sauce is so sweet,
>but she didn't use much of it.

G'day G'day Nick,

 Thanks for a timely reminder that certain combinations of foods work
well together and can make T2 diabetic menus attractive for everyone
sharing the meal. Asparagus is a firm favourite at this time of the
year.  We often have meals containing prawn or squid these days. Once
prawns were so expensive here we never had them. Now they are freely
available discounted in supermarkets often cheaper per 100 grams than
many low-fat meats.

Squid was mostly exported and not readily available on the local
market.  One had to prepare the squid gutting it etc oneself.  Now one
can by half kilo (one pound) plastic bags of "pineapple cut" squid
that is a joy to cook and eat.  We add a little szechuan Sauce
chilli/sesame sauce and it is divine.  Like you we have discovered
that often if the sauce has a strong enough flavour one can use a
small amount and are not bothered by the carbohydrate content.
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Nick Cramer - 20 Nov 2007 09:37 GMT
>  On 16 Nov 2007 03:41:32 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
> [ . . . ]

Hi, Quentin. Jun buys the squid at an Asian market. They're not hard to
gut. Hold the body in one hand and grab the tentacles firmly just above the
eyes. With a firm and steady motion pull the body and tentacles apart. Most
of the inner parts will come out easily. Remove the long, thin piece of
cartilage. Reach inside the body and pull out all remaining parts carefully
and completely. Wash the inside of the body under cold, running water 'til
the water runs clear, reaching inside the body to the tip to remove any
remaining residue. Place the tentacles on a cutting board and cut at a
point just below the eyes. Discard the eye portion and wash the tentacles
under cool running water 'til the water runs clear.

The process takes a lot less time than the description. I've done this
numerous times when making Thai stuffed squid. If you're not going to use
them right away, put them in a bowl of ice water, cover and store in your
fridge for no more than one day.

Jun serves me squid in lots of Thai dishes including curries. I also like
the tentacles in pasta with white sauce.

Take care.

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RodS - 20 Nov 2007 09:48 GMT
>>  On 16 Nov 2007 03:41:32 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
>> [ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> point just below the eyes. Discard the eye portion and wash the tentacles
> under cool running water 'til the water runs clear.

And now you expect me to eat :-)
Please don't tell me how to gut a chicken  :-)

I remember now why I don't eat seafood

  (- -)
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RodS T2
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> The process takes a lot less time than the description. I've done this
> numerous times when making Thai stuffed squid. If you're not going to use
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Take care.
Nick Cramer - 20 Nov 2007 10:04 GMT
> >>  On 16 Nov 2007 03:41:32 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
> >> [ . . . ]
> And now you expect me to eat :-)
> Please don't tell me how to gut a chicken  :-)

The nice thing about gutting a chicken is that you get to eat the heart,
liver and gizzard!

> I remember now why I don't eat seafood

I take it you're not a hunter. Never field stripped a deer, wild boar or
kangaroo? Where do you think that crovaced lamb comes from? BTW I love Kiwi
and Aussie lamb. Having it for Thanksgiving!

Take care.

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Quentin Grady - 23 Nov 2007 18:19 GMT
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On 20 Nov 2007 09:37:37 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
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>>  On 16 Nov 2007 03:41:32 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
>> [ . . . ]
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>point just below the eyes. Discard the eye portion and wash the tentacles
>under cool running water 'til the water runs clear.

G'day G'day Nick,

 I've processed fresh squid on a number of occasions though not as
expertly as you.  At the moment the preprocessed packaged ones appeal.
They are easy to store in the deep freeze and there is no squid gut to
dispose of waiting in the wheelie bin till collection day.

>The process takes a lot less time than the description. I've done this
>numerous times when making Thai stuffed squid. If you're not going to use
>them right away, put them in a bowl of ice water, cover and store in your
>fridge for no more than one day.

I'm impressed by your expertise.  It takes me back to the days when I
could go out fishing.  There is something about freshly caught fish
that cannot be emulated.

We found with the squid that is was most important to remove the
transparent film. Otherwise it would tighten and make the flesh
rubbery as it cooked.

>Jun serves me squid in lots of Thai dishes including curries. I also like
>the tentacles in pasta with white sauce.
>
>Take care.

Best wishes,
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Alan S - 23 Nov 2007 22:49 GMT
> At the moment the preprocessed packaged ones appeal.
>They are easy to store in the deep freeze and there is no squid gut to
>dispose of waiting in the wheelie bin till collection day.

Digressing with a little tip that we do. When I'm preparing
foods I usually end up with two kinds of waste. All
vegetable waste goes in the compost bin in the back-yard.
All animal waste such as fat trimmings, bones, fish guts and
heads, prawn heads and shells etc are drained and wrapped in
plastic and stored in a dedicated section of the freezer
until garbage day, then put in the bin just before
collection.

That may not be necessary in cooler climates but is
essential in our warm climate. And the bin never has an
odour problem.

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W. Baker - 24 Nov 2007 21:34 GMT
: > At the moment the preprocessed packaged ones appeal.
: >They are easy to store in the deep freeze and there is no squid gut to
: >dispose of waiting in the wheelie bin till collection day.

: Digressing with a little tip that we do. When I'm preparing
: foods I usually end up with two kinds of waste. All
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: until garbage day, then put in the bin just before
: collection.

: That may not be necessary in cooler climates but is
: essential in our warm climate. And the bin never has an
: odour problem.

: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

My brother used t do someting somewhat similar but without the freezer.  
he composted vegetable scraps and took the meat scraps and put them in 1
qt left over ogurt plastic containers that had a tight top.  These went
into the trash covered waiting for the weeklypick-up.  Of course, he lived
in upstate NY, not OZ.

Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Nov 2007 00:21 GMT
Very good numbers Nick,  The dish sounds so delicious.  i love
asparagus.  and never thought of putting it together with crab.  Do you
have the recipe.

Loretta
Big_I - 25 Nov 2007 01:11 GMT
On Nov 24, 7:21 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
wrote:
> Very good numbers Nick,  The dish sounds so delicious.  i love
> asparagus.  and never thought of putting it together with crab.  Do you
> have the recipe.
>
> Loretta

Our family feasts on popcorn squid.

Ira
Nick Cramer - 25 Nov 2007 01:37 GMT
> On Nov 24, 7:21 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
> Our family feasts on popcorn squid.

We love squid here. Jun cooks it lots of different Thai ways. Stuffed squid
is a rare, but wonderful, treat. I always get the tentacles to put in a
white sauce with Linguini. ;-)

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Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Nov 2007 03:37 GMT
Thanks guys, but I will absolutely pass on the squid.  Is Calamari squid
because I eat that.

but not the heads
Cheri - 25 Nov 2007 04:17 GMT
Loretta Eisenberg wrote in message
<27666-4748EDEC-1680@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>...
Thanks guys, but I will absolutely pass on the squid.  Is Calamari
squid
because I eat that.

but not the heads

Yes, calamari is squid.

Cheri
Nick Cramer - 25 Nov 2007 04:41 GMT
> Thanks guys, but I will absolutely pass on the squid.  Is Calamari squid
> because I eat that.
>
> but not the heads

Calimari is squid, in Italian and Spanish. Called Pla Muug in Thai. The
head, from in front of, to behind, the eyes and mouth is generally
discarded. I love the tentacles in Linguini Salsa Bianca!

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Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Nov 2007 13:43 GMT
Nick, one word yuck, no heads no tentacles.  I like the pieces that are
cut up in little circles and deep fried.

with marinara sauce

Loretta
Nick Cramer - 26 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT
> Nick, one word yuck, no heads no tentacles.  I like the pieces that are
> cut up in little circles and deep fried.
>
> with marinara sauce

OK! OK! I like those squid rings, too,  and Jun uses them in lots of
dishes! I like the tentacles sauteed in EVOO, butter and garlic, then
either put in a white pasta sauce or just plain. Have you ever tried them?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Nov 2007 04:07 GMT
> > On Nov 24, 7:21 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> is a rare, but wonderful, treat. I always get the tentacles to put in a
> white sauce with Linguini. ;-)

One of my favorites too. Makes me hungrier thinking about it so I know
it's good :-)

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

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J666 - 25 Nov 2007 22:59 GMT
On Nov 24, 10:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
One of my favorites too. Makes me hungrier thinking about it so I know
it's good :-)

This is great - eat all you want and then think about asparagus and
crabs which makes you hungry which is good.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Nov 2007 23:27 GMT
> Andrew in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > One of my favorites too. Makes me hungrier thinking about it so I know
> > it's good :-)
>
> This is great

"Blessed are you who hunger **now** for you will be satisfied." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

> - eat all you want

Wiser to eat only the amount you need in order to become even
hungrier:

http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/35279.html

> and then think about asparagus and
> crabs which makes you hungry which is good.

Becoming hungrier is wonderful :-)

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD

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J666 - 26 Nov 2007 03:08 GMT
On Nov 25, 5:27 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

"Wiser to eat only the amount you need in order to become even
hungrier:"

Not needed, just think more about asparagus and crab and become even
more hungry is better. Plaster your walls with pictures of asparagus
and crab and become the hungriest which is best. Therefore, eat all
you want and be the hungriest thinking of asparagus and crab.  I would
recommend you call it the Asparagus-Crab Approach - the thinking
person's Approach.
% - 26 Nov 2007 03:19 GMT
> On Nov 25, 5:27 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> recommend you call it the Asparagus-Crab Approach - the thinking
> person's Approach.

i eat what i want not what you dictate
J666 - 26 Nov 2007 04:50 GMT
"i eat what i want not what you dictate"

--------

Absolutely - the 2 pound OMER and CACA are both absurd.
Pastor Frank - 30 Nov 2007 07:15 GMT
>> On Nov 25, 5:27 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> i eat what i want not what you dictate

   Well, now we know why the old saying goes: Whom the gods want destroyed,
they give him what he wants. Catering to your own wants invariably leads to
death. Only what God wants leads to life.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Nov 2007 03:24 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Not needed, just think more about asparagus and crab and become even
> more hungry is better.

If you have overeaten, thinking more about what you have overeaten
will make you less hungry and not more hungry.

It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

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J666 - 26 Nov 2007 04:47 GMT
On Nov 25, 9:24 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

If you have overeaten, thinking more about what you have overeaten
will make you less hungry and not more hungry.

------

Just follow your own advice about thinking of asparagus and crabs
which makes you hungry so eat all you want and think about asparagus
and crab.

Since studies are not needed, the Chung Asparagus-Crab Approach
(abbreviated  CACA) is just as valid as your 2 pound OMER approach and
can be called CACA.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Nov 2007 04:55 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Just follow your own advice about thinking of asparagus and crabs
> which makes you hungry...

Incorrect.

The thought of our favorite foods makes us hungrier only when we are
already hungry.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly reveal that you have no recent working familiarity
with being hungry.

Such is the sad state of those who are suffering from the delusion
that hunger is bad and are avoiding hunger at all cost by overeating
and accumulating harmful VAT:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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J666 - 26 Nov 2007 05:04 GMT
First wrote:  "One of my favorites too. Makes me hungrier thinking
about it so I know
it's good"

Now writes

"The thought of our favorite foods makes us hungrier only when we are
already hungry."

Quite an error in not pointing that out in your first statement -
wonder what other errors are in your other simple statements -
everything is certainly suspect now.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Nov 2007 05:09 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> First wrote:  "One of my favorites too. Makes me **hungrier** thinking
> about it so I know it's good"

**emphasis** added.

> Now writes
>
> "The thought of our favorite foods makes us hungrier only when we are
> already hungry."
>
> Quite an error in not pointing that out in your first statement -

See **emphasis**

The healthiest people remain the hungriest people.

Truth is simple.

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http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD

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J666 - 26 Nov 2007 05:22 GMT
On Nov 25, 11:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

**emphasis** added.

------

Emphasis was not in your original statement and even with the
emphasis, still does not say anything when you added "only when we are
already hungry."

So your first statement was not completely accurate, and there raises
the question about the accuracy of all your statement.  Lying and
inaccuracies are both wrong.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Nov 2007 05:33 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> emphasis, still does not say anything when you added "only when we are
> already hungry."

It is sufficient for the discerning.

"Blessed are you who hunger **now** for you will be satisfied." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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J666 - 26 Nov 2007 05:47 GMT
On Nov 25, 11:33 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

"It is sufficient for the discerning."

Irrelevant when carrying on a discussion - need the brain, not the
heart unless medical science has changed.

A clear cut sign that you have no answer.
.
Nick Cramer - 25 Nov 2007 01:17 GMT
> Very good numbers Nick,  The dish sounds so delicious.  i love
> asparagus.  and never thought of putting it together with crab.  Do you
> have the recipe.

Hi, Loretta. Thanks. How're ya doing? Better, I hope. I'll ask Jun if she
has a recipe, but I've watched her cook. It's a handful of this, a pinch of
that, a squirt of something, taste, season!

She brought me some Northern Thailand sausages today. Delicioso! As I was
taking my one hour BG (138), my tongue was still tingling! I also had a
little, very little, Thai sticky rice with it.

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