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Diabetic rip-offs
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hlmw - 15 Nov 2007 03:18 GMT The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: Sugar-free frozen green peas? How do they get the sugar out of green peas? Fat-free Jello? When did Jello ever contain fat? Breakfast cereals are a mine-field of weird advertising. How's this for a catchy phrase on an organic product package: "Nurturing, nature, people and spirit". There is also a poem by Ben Johnson about health, the cost of having it or not having it. What is really weird is that it is on the bottom of the package where no one is likely to see it. Ho-hum, Lorna
Cheri - 15 Nov 2007 03:48 GMT hlmw wrote in message ...
>The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being >conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Ho-hum, >Lorna Boy, that's the truth. I am moving further and further away from most of it, due to the vile taste of some things, as well as ridiculous advertising and prices.
Cheri
Nico - 15 Nov 2007 04:36 GMT > Boy, that's the truth. I am moving further and further away from most > of it, due to the vile taste of some things, as well as ridiculous > advertising and prices. "Diabetic" fudge and cookies: gaaaaaccckkkk! It's unfortunately difficult to keep well-meaning friends and relatives from gifting you with those.
If you're going to eat a treat, eat a small amount of a good one. Don't waste your money and taste buds on the fake ones.
Peter G. (Bigbird) - 15 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT >> Boy, that's the truth. I am moving further and further away from most >> of it, due to the vile taste of some things, as well as ridiculous [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you're going to eat a treat, eat a small amount of a good one. > Don't waste your money and taste buds on the fake ones. The one that really cheeses me off are the "no sugar added" pies and the "sugar free" layer cakes I see go through the food bank and how the admitted diabetics think they're ok to pig out on.
BigBird
Cheri - 15 Nov 2007 20:27 GMT Peter G. (Bigbird) > wrote in message ...
>The one that really cheeses me off are the "no sugar added" pies and the >"sugar free" layer cakes I see go through the food bank and how the admitted >diabetics think they're ok to pig out on. > >BigBird Yes, it's very sad, but true.
Cheri
Jeffrey Kaplan - 15 Nov 2007 06:02 GMT Previously on alt.support.diabetes, hlmw said:
> The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being > conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: If you think that's bad, compare the diabetic-specific foods to the regular "sugar free" alternatives. Brands like Fifty-50 are at least 1/3 more expensive than the regular mass market items with the same (lack of) ingredients.
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hlmw - 15 Nov 2007 06:44 GMT > Previously on alt.support.diabetes, hlmw said: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 1/3 more expensive than the regular mass market items with the same > (lack of) ingredients. Yes, that is it, charging more for less. I can not eat the horrible stuff. Another ingredient of so-called organic low fat, low everything was organic sea salt. What? And one more thing, the flax etc., cereal I bought tastes like something swept up off the floor of a barn. The package is lovely though, shiny white with lots of bright red lettering and a huge sunflower. Aaaah.. Lorna
Tecknomage - 15 Nov 2007 11:54 GMT > > Previously on alt.support.diabetes, hlmw said: > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > white with lots of bright red lettering and a huge sunflower. Aaaah.. > Lorna What bugs me in the sugar-free snack-food-world there's the microscopic print "may have laxative effect." Since one of my diabetic meds make me sensitive for diarrhea, that warning = "will have laxative effect."
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Jeffrey Kaplan - 15 Nov 2007 16:53 GMT Previously on alt.support.diabetes, hlmw said:
> Yes, that is it, charging more for less. I can not eat the horrible stuff. > Another ingredient of so-called organic low fat, low everything was > organic sea salt. > What? Huh? Last I checked, salt, sea or otherwise, is a mineral.
> And one more thing, the flax etc., cereal I bought tastes like something > swept up off the floor of a barn. The package is lovely though, shiny > white with lots of bright red lettering and a huge sunflower. Aaaah.. Isn't linen made from flax?
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Oleg Lego - 15 Nov 2007 19:45 GMT >Previously on alt.support.diabetes, hlmw said: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Huh? Last I checked, salt, sea or otherwise, is a mineral. Yeah, but it was made without additives, preservatives, or petrochemical fractionating. No wonder it's so good for you! You know it doesn't cause water retention like regular iodized, non-organic salt, dontcha? [1]
>> And one more thing, the flax etc., cereal I bought tastes like something >> swept up off the floor of a barn. The package is lovely though, shiny >> white with lots of bright red lettering and a huge sunflower. Aaaah.. > >Isn't linen made from flax? Yes it is, though from a part of the plant that does not end up in the cereal box.
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Broderick Crawford - 15 Nov 2007 14:57 GMT > The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being > conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ho-hum, > Lorna Where is my fat free, sugar free, cholesterol free chocolate cake with white frosting? Can't they make it out of sea weed?
Robert Miles - 15 Nov 2007 19:00 GMT >> The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being >> conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Where is my fat free, sugar free, cholesterol free chocolate cake with > white frosting? Can't they make it out of sea weed? Not and make it taste worth buying.
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Nov 2007 01:41 GMT >>> The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being >>> conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Not and make it taste worth buying. According to my peers, health food is a major rip off based on appeals to our imagination. It does change ever few years.
When vitamins were discovered they immediately became the solution of all health issues.
If a person sticks to the qualified agencies for unbiased info they will probably be better off. The are a few special cases where they are best handled with qualified doctor's advice.
We do need a wide range of biochemicals to act as building blocks. The stomach reduces most food to a sloppy mess, which we have survived on for eons. Most of the fads ignore some necessary biochemical. Most claims are based on imagination or speculation.
A well balanced diet has been around a long time. Today we have so many mechanical assists we do not need the quantity of food as we needed in the past.
The use of less gasoline might do wonders for your health. It might help the climate as a bonus.
RodS - 16 Nov 2007 02:11 GMT > A well balanced diet has been around a long time. Today > we have so many mechanical assists we do not need the quantity of > food as we needed in the past. According to a friend of mine a "well balanced diet" consists of a pizza in one hand and a beer in the other. :-)
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Big_I - 17 Nov 2007 19:24 GMT > g...@consolidated.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > RodS T2 > Australia I just look at the car. content and go from there. Low carb, high fiber is my fate in life. Most products that say sugar free add extra carbs for taste.
If it taste good I will buy it. If it taste like "S" I just walk on by.
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ray - 15 Nov 2007 15:56 GMT > The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being > conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: > Sugar-free frozen green peas? How do they get the sugar out of green peas? > Fat-free Jello? When did Jello ever contain fat? Frankly, I give a rat's a.s about fat - the sugar free Jello has zero carbs - good product.
> Breakfast cereals are a mine-field of weird advertising. How's this for > a catchy phrase on an organic product package: "Nurturing, nature, > people and spirit". Read the nutrition label - Kellog's Special K High Protein is about as low in carbs as you'll find - of course it's not terribly tasty.
> There is also a poem by Ben Johnson about health, the cost of having it > or not having it. > What is really weird is that it is on the bottom of the package where no > one is likely to see it. > Ho-hum, > Lorna Freckles - 15 Nov 2007 17:30 GMT >> The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being >> conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Ho-hum, >> Lorna I agree with Ray. I eat both the Jell-O and Kellogg's Special K.
I guess when it comes to truth in advertising, the manufacturer is damned no matter what they have printed on their labels..
By the way, the cereal will taste much better if you add some vanilla, or cinnamon, and of course a packet or two of Splenda.
Loretta Eisenberg - 15 Nov 2007 19:02 GMT Lorna, that advertising is for people who are not smart enough to know that jellow has no fat that the peas should say no sugar added and so on.
We all have to be our own truth in advertising investigators.
Loretta
DonnaB shallotpeel - 15 Nov 2007 21:00 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:49 -0500 in Msg.# <24399-473C97D9-55@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>, sassybklynlady@webtv.net
> Lorna, that advertising is for people who are not smart enough to know > that jellow has no fat that the peas should say no sugar added and so > on. But, there is real Fat Free Jello Pudding.
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MÄck©® - 15 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT >In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:49 -0500 in Msg.# ><24399-473C97D9-55@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>, sassybklynlady@webtv.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >But, there is real Fat Free Jello Pudding. Jell-O and Jello Pudding though made by the same company are 2 different things.
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DonnaB shallotpeel - 15 Nov 2007 22:01 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:51:00 -0500 in Msg.#
> >In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:49 -0500 in Msg.# > ><24399-473C97D9-55@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>, sassybklynlady@webtv.net [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Jell-O and Jello Pudding though made by the same company are 2 > different things. Completely true.
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hlmw - 15 Nov 2007 22:27 GMT > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:51:00 -0500 in Msg.# > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Completely true. It is Jell-O I am referring to. You know, it jiggles when you shake it. (There's an opening for Frank). I do use it. Where does gelatin come from? Lorna
DonnaB shallotpeel - 15 Nov 2007 22:38 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:27:00 GMT in Msg.#
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:51:00 -0500 in Msg.# > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (There's an opening for Frank). I do use it. > Where does gelatin come from? Horse hooves.
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Loretta Eisenberg - 19 Nov 2007 18:24 GMT Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs.
Loretta
Frank t2 - 20 Nov 2007 02:48 GMT "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ...
> Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs. > > Loretta Because pigs have scales ?
Julie Bove - 20 Nov 2007 03:00 GMT > "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... >> Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs. >> >> Loretta > > Because pigs have scales ? They do?
I thought Jell-O came from cows but I don't know for sure.
Julie Bove - 20 Nov 2007 03:01 GMT > "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... >> Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs. >> >> Loretta > > Because pigs have scales ? Okay, I was partly right about the cow.
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W. Baker - 20 Nov 2007 15:09 GMT : "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a ?crit ... : > Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs. : > : > Loretta
: Because pigs have scales ? Only sacales with fish or seafood issues. For meat we only eat meat from animals that both have cloven hooves and chew their cud (ruminants). Pigs have cloven hooves, but don't chew their cud. Cows, sheep, goats, even deer are acceptalbe if slaughtered by Jewish law, "properly" drained of blood, soaked and slated adn come from the front part of the animal because the sciatic nerve is forbiden and is very difficult to remove from all those good rear cuts like le of lamb, sirloin steakd, rump roaast, etc. It may seem kind of limiting but has worked for several thousand years:-) If you ae interested, the reason we don't eat the sciatic nerve comes form the story of jacob wrestling with an angel. He won, but was left iwth a limp from damage to the sciatic nerve(I feel his pain). We don't eat this in memory of jacob and his encounter with God. His new name, Yisrael, means God-wrestler. The Jewish people are called the cildren of Israel, so are all regared as Jacob's children.
Rather a long winded explanation to a short remark.
Wendy
Frank t2 - 22 Nov 2007 02:45 GMT "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> a écrit ...
> : "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a ?crit ... > : > Jello brand is not kosher because I was told it comes from pigs. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wendy Thank you SO MUCH, Wendy. As an explanation, it was quite complete. As I am sure you could tell, I was pretty ignorant on these matters.
Frank
Loretta Eisenberg - 19 Nov 2007 18:28 GMT Just checked, Gelatin is collagen removed from either cows or pigs bones, hooves. The gelatin from cows is kosher and from pigs not
ted rosenberg - 20 Nov 2007 16:27 GMT > Just checked, Gelatin is collagen removed from either cows or pigs > bones, hooves. The gelatin from cows is kosher and from pigs not > > Well, Not true Gelatin comes from bones - all kinds, often fish.
It is not a food derived from the source anymore than you can tell (or care) what type of tree went into charcoal. ,. Also, bones and hides are not meat. The argument that bones or hides may somehow make the product non kosher is based on a theory that the bones and hides MIGHT have some meat on them. even some some authorities don't think that means anything.
The "Glatt kosher" people won't use most gelatin . The poorer the part of Poland you came from, the more fanatic you will be. Sephardi and other kosher authorities will accept just about ANY gelatins. My family came from Romania, the Ukraine, and Holland, so we don't recognize the authority of Chelm
Julie Bove - 20 Nov 2007 23:21 GMT >> Just checked, Gelatin is collagen removed from either cows or pigs >> bones, hooves. The gelatin from cows is kosher and from pigs not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > from Romania, the Ukraine, and Holland, so we don't recognize the > authority of Chelm I buy kosher gelatin from the health food store. Not sure what it is made of though.
ted rosenberg - 21 Nov 2007 03:29 GMT > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > of though. > You are getting gelatin made from veggies. Unless you are a super vegan, get the cheaper kind at any food store. chemically there is NO difference
Julie Bove - 21 Nov 2007 04:05 GMT > You are getting gelatin made from veggies. Unless you are a super vegan, > get the cheaper kind at any food store. chemically there is NO difference At the time I bought it, it was the only kind they had. They are just around the corner from me, so I'd rather go there to buy whatever I need than go to the grocery store. At the time I bought it, I was trying to do a vegan diet, but I'm not all that strict about it. I can't be. I wear a leather coat, have a leather purse, leather shoes and am sitting in a leather chair as I type this.
DarkSentinel - 21 Nov 2007 11:13 GMT >> You are getting gelatin made from veggies. Unless you are a super vegan, >> get the cheaper kind at any food store. chemically there is NO [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > leather coat, have a leather purse, leather shoes and am sitting in a > leather chair as I type this. I have a knee length, hooded leather coat. At 6'3", that's a whole lot of damn cow...rofl
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W. Baker - 21 Nov 2007 21:33 GMT : >> Just checked, Gelatin is collagen removed from either cows or pigs : >> bones, hooves. The gelatin from cows is kosher and from pigs not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : > from Romania, the Ukraine, and Holland, so we don't recognize the : > authority of Chelm
: I buy kosher gelatin from the health food store. Not sure what it is made : of though. Sme is from kosher amimal bones an d some is form agar agar or other vegetble gels. it doesn't jell as well as the non-kosher varietes, but sets softer and doesn't work in some situations which I am, of course forgetting right now.
Wendy
DarkSentinel - 21 Nov 2007 01:28 GMT >> Just checked, Gelatin is collagen removed from either cows or pigs >> bones, hooves. The gelatin from cows is kosher and from pigs not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > from Romania, the Ukraine, and Holland, so we don't recognize the > authority of Chelm Guess that means no pork rinds huh? ;)
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ted rosenberg - 21 Nov 2007 03:31 GMT > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > well I am not exactly observant, but I DO know what the rules are..
In any case chicken gribchen are MUCH tastier than any pork rind. No one makes them commercially, you have to render chicken skin yourself to get them
W. Baker - 21 Nov 2007 21:40 GMT : > : >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] : > : well I am not exactly observant, but I DO know what the rules are..
: In any case chicken gribchen are MUCH tastier than any pork rind. No : one makes them commercially, you have to render chicken skin yourself to : get them Stop stop!! You are making my mouth water:-)
Wendy
Alan S - 21 Nov 2007 21:57 GMT >: In any case chicken gribchen are MUCH tastier than any pork rind. No >: one makes them commercially, you have to render chicken skin yourself to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Wendy OK. Method please:-)
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W. Baker - 22 Nov 2007 03:43 GMT : >: In any case chicken gribchen are MUCH tastier than any pork rind. No : >: one makes them commercially, you have to render chicken skin yourself to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : > : >Wendy
: OK. Method please:-)
: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. You take the ft globules you remove from the chickens( I collect them in the freezer until there is enough to be worth while making this.) and yu take cut off pieces of fatty skin that you remove in cleaning the chicken and , well this is the modern way, you microwave the dickens out of them in a large , preferably glass container unil most of the fat is rendered from th econnective tissue and skin. then yo ad som every finely sliced onions and some salt, if desired, and continue microwaving until all the fat is renderd and th fat and onions have turned quite brown, but not burnt. I cover a large (2 qt) measuring cup) with plaxtic wrap to do this operation. One this nice brown stuff has been achieved, you dexanct the fat into a nice glass jar with a nice tight cover and refrigerate(or freeze ) the rendered fat until you want to use it for frying or flavoring foods like mashed fauxtatoes, mashed in with hard boiled eggs, etc. The browned onins and bits of skin and connective tissue that remain are the gribenis(or grivenis). They are delicious to snack on in a greasy way or to put into foods to flavor them or just on a cracker.
PITA but very delicious.
Wendy
Alan S - 22 Nov 2007 05:47 GMT >: >: In any case chicken gribchen are MUCH tastier than any pork rind. No >: >: one makes them commercially, you have to render chicken skin yourself to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Wendy Thanks. Will try it next time I get a bulk lot of chicken bits.
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Priscilla H. Ballou - 15 Nov 2007 22:53 GMT > > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:51:00 -0500 in Msg.# > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Where does gelatin come from? > Lorna You don't want to know.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
hooves of horses and cows
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Frank t2 - 15 Nov 2007 23:30 GMT "hlmw" <hlmw1@telus.net> a écrit ...
>>>>> Lorna, that advertising is for people who are not smart enough to know >>>>> that jellow has no fat that the peas should say no sugar added and so [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Where does gelatin come from? > Lorna I just LOVE IT when ladies offer me their openings ...
NOW what do I do ?
MÄck©® - 16 Nov 2007 05:40 GMT >I just LOVE IT when ladies offer me their openings ... after that offer being made.
>NOW what do I do ? and that question being asked, you'll need an instruction with numbered pictures, and even then you still might not figure it out.
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MÄck©® - 16 Nov 2007 05:39 GMT >> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:51:00 -0500 in Msg.# >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >It is Jell-O I am referring to. You know, it jiggles when you shake it. >(There's an opening for Frank). I do use it.
>Where does gelatin come from? >Lorna most people wouldn't want to know.
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Loretta Eisenberg - 18 Nov 2007 14:31 GMT and there is sugar free jello pudding also which is quite good, or is that no sugar added, 7 carbs.
Loretta
krom - 16 Nov 2007 05:04 GMT Yes but does anyone wanna buy my fat free bag of sugar??? Aww comon..its fat free! ;-D
KROM
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:02:49 -0500 in Msg.# > <24399-473C97D9-55@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>, sassybklynlady@webtv.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But, there is real Fat Free Jello Pudding. RodS - 16 Nov 2007 05:24 GMT but is it low carb sugar free ? (- -) =m=(_)=m= RodS T2 Australia
> Yes but does anyone wanna buy my fat free bag of sugar??? > Aww comon..its fat free! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> on. >> But, there is real Fat Free Jello Pudding. guys@consolidated.net - 16 Nov 2007 10:46 GMT There is nothing new about rip offs in diabetes.
Thirty years ago I bought sugar free candy.
Turned out to be sorbitol but in a nice wrapper and high priced.
It still contains the calories but is slower acting. In many cases it leads to severe diaherra. Just an alcohol sugar.
I have not heard much about glycemic index for a while. For me it did not make much difference.
The digestive tract tears most items down to the basics and the difference is not much.
Thieves seem to dominate our society today.
So why not diabetes.
Some local Christians say it is the loss of morals. My history studies says it has always been that way.
As a fellow student told me. It is not a sin to steal, unless you get caught. Last reports said he was worth $800 million. I think he told me that in 1944.
MHD was a reliable source of info at one time.
At times our problems are mostly internal.
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Nov 2007 10:52 GMT >There is nothing new about rip offs in diabetes. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >At times our problems are mostly internal. Added--At one tme the use of encaqpsuated food were touted for diabetics. It was a brief thng and I never heard of it again. What happened?.
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> Yes but does anyone wanna buy my fat free bag of sugar??? > Aww comon..its fat free! > ;-D I began to get a kick out of the irony & absurdity of this kind of thing back when people first began to have concern about dietary cholesterol. Suddenly foods that never had had cholesterol in them were marketed with packaging showing NO CHOLESTEROL!
Any day now maybe we will see bottled water labeled, No Cholesterol, Fat Free, No Sugar Added!
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krom - 16 Nov 2007 10:03 GMT Buy KROM brand water! KROM water is caffine free and low carb..all in one handy bottle...this product is also known to promote good health and general well being and has been shown to prevent some forms of dehydration in some people*
*these statment about water have not approved by the fda and are not intended to treat or diagnose illness. If pregnant please cosult your physician.
KROM
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:04:06 -0600 in Msg.# > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Any day now maybe we will see bottled water labeled, No Cholesterol, Fat > Free, No Sugar Added! Chris Malcolm - 16 Nov 2007 13:39 GMT > Buy KROM brand water! > KROM water is caffine free and low carb..all in one handy bottle...this > product is also known to promote good health and general well being and has > been shown to prevent some forms of dehydration in some people* You might be interested in my extremely high purity dehydrated water, guaranteed to contain zero levels of every harmful chemical, bacterium, and virus yet discovered, and in addition zero levels of those that won't be discovered for another ten years.
It's expensive, but so concentrated that shipping costs for enough to supply a large thirsty family's water needs for five years are very low.
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krom - 16 Nov 2007 14:15 GMT ooh...no sorry im allergic...sigh..
KROM
>> Buy KROM brand water! >> KROM water is caffine free and low carb..all in one handy bottle...this [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > supply a large thirsty family's water needs for five years are very > low. Frank t2 - 17 Nov 2007 06:44 GMT Krom, Where are you lving now (which state), where did you school, and in which were you born ?
Frank
"krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> a écrit ...
> Buy KROM brand water! > KROM water is caffine free and low carb..all in one handy bottle...this [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Any day now maybe we will see bottled water labeled, No Cholesterol, Fat >> Free, No Sugar Added! krom - 17 Nov 2007 11:02 GMT A little place called nunya in the county of bidniz...
hehehe
KROM
> Krom, > Where are you lving now (which state), where did you school, > and in which were you born ? > > Frank Jeffrey Kaplan - 17 Nov 2007 18:18 GMT Previously on alt.support.diabetes, krom said:
> A little place called nunya in the county of bidniz... So you must now be living in Cognito.
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Frank t2 - 17 Nov 2007 23:09 GMT "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> a écrit ...
> Previously on alt.support.diabetes, krom said: > >> A little place called nunya in the county of bidniz... > > So you must now be living in Cognito. lol ......
krom - 18 Nov 2007 07:22 GMT Heh..good one!
KROM
> Previously on alt.support.diabetes, krom said: > >> A little place called nunya in the county of bidniz... > > So you must now be living in Cognito. Alan S - 16 Nov 2007 12:42 GMT >I began to get a kick out of the irony & absurdity of this kind of thing >back when people first began to have concern about dietary cholesterol. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Any day now maybe we will see bottled water labeled, No Cholesterol, Fat >Free, No Sugar Added! There is no sugar added to the bag of brown sugar in my pantry. I checked. They said it was one kg. It is one kg. No sugar added.
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Frank t2 - 16 Nov 2007 07:41 GMT Krom,
The mother ship wants you to return ....
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> Yes but does anyone wanna buy my fat free bag of sugar??? > Aww comon..its fat free! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> But, there is real Fat Free Jello Pudding. RodS - 16 Nov 2007 02:05 GMT Yep you notice "No Added Sugar" usually means they have added fats of some description to give it flavor and "Natural Ingredients" most poisons are "natural" mmmmm food for thought here
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> The more I study so-called health foods the more I realize we are being > conned, scammed, ripped off etc. by false packaging lures: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ho-hum, > Lorna DonnaB shallotpeel - 16 Nov 2007 02:15 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:05:22 GMT in Msg.# <CV6%i.13395$CN4.241@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, RodS <fred@fred.com> wrote:
> Yep you notice "No Added Sugar" usually means they have added fats of > some description to give it flavor and "Natural Ingredients" most > poisons are "natural" mmmmm food for thought here Lots of products that are 'No Added Sugar' have plenty of taste without anything being added, ... because they never needed *sugar* added to them in the first place!
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MÄck©® - 16 Nov 2007 05:42 GMT >In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:05:22 GMT in Msg.# ><CV6%i.13395$CN4.241@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, RodS <fred@fred.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >anything being added, ... because they never needed *sugar* added to them in >the first place! Donna is correct and that is all the "no sugar added" label actually means.
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