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Chris Malcolm - 08 Nov 2007 11:34 GMT
My government pension at age 65!

They hadn't written to me, but a phone call discovered that they'd
been writing to a wrong address because the official street addressing
and post code databases get my address wrong, and they had decided to
overwrite my own personally supplied address with the "obviously" more
correct official version.

When I had a heart attack I struggled on at work because I needed to
build up my pension and pay off my house mortgage. When sundry further
problems culminated in a diagnosis of diabetes I decided I'd rather
stay alive, and took whatever early retirement money was available on
my personal work-related pension and headed for the hills.

My financial boat has been leaking rather worryingly since then, but
the arrival of my govt pension goes a long way to fixing the leak.  

I'd have been satisfied if all I'd been able to do on retiring was to
halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

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Chris Malcolm        cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk              DoD #205
IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Nov 2007 12:28 GMT
> My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
> delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

Such are the blessings from GOD...

... wonderful.

Hunger is wonderful.

It is when all our needs have been met that we are hungriest :-)

Many more blessings to you on your birthday, Chris.

Please know that when you receive these from GOD, you will be
hungrier :-)

"Blessed are you who hunger **now** for you will be satisfied." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Nov 2007 19:09 GMT
> My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
> delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

Such are the blessings from GOD...

... wonderful.

Hunger is wonderful.

It is when all our needs have been met that we are hungriest :-)

Many more blessings to you on your birthday, Chris.

Please know that when you receive these from GOD, you will be
hungrier :-)

"Blessed are you who hunger **now** for you will be satisfied." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Witchy Way - 08 Nov 2007 20:07 GMT
happy birthday and congratulations chris!
;-)
enjoy and best of health to you in the up coming year!

witchy
Ozgirl - 08 Nov 2007 20:24 GMT
Well done and Happy Birthday!

> My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
> delighted by how much my health has improved :-)
Cheri - 08 Nov 2007 21:06 GMT
>My financial boat has been leaking rather worryingly since then, but
>the arrival of my govt pension goes a long way to fixing the leak.
>
>I'd have been satisfied if all I'd been able to do on retiring was to
>halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
>delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

Good for you Chris, I'm very happy for you. :-)

Cheri
DonnaB shallotpeel - 08 Nov 2007 21:07 GMT
Very Happy Birthday & improved Retirement-ability!!

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DonnaB shallotpeel, T2 since June 06, USA, last HbA1c 5.3

"Run. People are coming. They must not catch us here Definitionless in this
strict atmosphere." - Gwendolyn Brooks

W. Baker - 29 Nov 2007 16:56 GMT
: Very Happy Birthday & improved Retirement-ability!!

Like she said!  Welcome to the wonderful world of pensions:-)  
It couldn't happento a nicer guy.

Wendy
Nicky - 08 Nov 2007 22:53 GMT
>My government pension at age 65!

Happy Birthday :D   Is that all you Scots get at that advanced age? :P

Nicky.  
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Tiger Lily - 08 Nov 2007 23:21 GMT
Happy Birthday Chris ! ! !

do you get 'gold cards' now? :-)

kate

>>My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Chris Malcolm - 09 Nov 2007 10:30 GMT
> Happy Birthday Chris ! ! !

> do you get 'gold cards' now? :-)

Not sure what a "gold card" is. I've a free bus pass card since I was
60, which also gets me all sorts of discounts when I flash it.

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Chris Malcolm        cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk              DoD #205
IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Andy H - 09 Nov 2007 00:41 GMT
> Happy Birthday :D   Is that all you Scots get at that advanced age? :P

They are also allowed to start wearing something under their kilts.
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Andy H (Type 2 in Greater Vancouver, Canada)

Nicky - 09 Nov 2007 12:54 GMT
>> Happy Birthday :D   Is that all you Scots get at that advanced age? :P
>>
>They are also allowed to start wearing something under their kilts.

Given Chris' climbing hobbies - let's hope he got early dispensation
:P

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Chris Malcolm - 09 Nov 2007 10:28 GMT
>>My government pension at age 65!

> Happy Birthday :D   Is that all you Scots get at that advanced age? :P

You can take your work or personal pension at any age, of course more
than pro-rata reduced, unless you can take advantage of a special
early retirement deal (which I was lucky enough to be able to do).

At age 60 we Scots get free medical prescriptions and a free bus pass
to anywhere in Scotland, any time. Women get their state govt pension
at 60, men at 65, although you can defer it if you like, in which
case it increases.

Pensioners often get discounts to other services and purchases. I
think it's mandatory to offer pensioner discount if your organisation
gets any public funding. I've just discovered for example that I get
useful pensioner discounts on the photographic facilities offered by a
local studio and gallery, in some instances such as printing and
mounting as much as 50%.

A particular difference from English health care is that in England a
lot of just helping an old person such as with shopping and dressing
is counted as not nursing and the old person has to pay for it unless
they've already bankrupted themselves, whereas in Scotland it's
counted as nursing care and is free.

There's probably a few extra benefits I now qualify for at age
65. It'll take me some time to find out. For some reason it's
difficult to find out what these are, and difficult to claim them when
you have. That probably explains why so many old people fail to claim
them. You don't think They could have done that on purpose, do you?
:-)

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IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Loretta Eisenberg - 08 Nov 2007 23:29 GMT
Happy Birthday Chris.  What a wonderful gift to be eased of financial
worries.

Loretta
Alan S - 09 Nov 2007 01:51 GMT
>My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
>delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

Glad to see you got it. Mine won't come due for another 4
1/2 years, but when it does I suspect that my Superannuation
from my RAAF years will be just enough to cancel it out;
ours is means-tested.

But it does give a few discount benefits.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
Chris Malcolm - 09 Nov 2007 10:34 GMT
>>My government pension at age 65!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
>>delighted by how much my health has improved :-)

> Glad to see you got it. Mine won't come due for another 4
> 1/2 years, but when it does I suspect that my Superannuation
> from my RAAF years will be just enough to cancel it out;
> ours is means-tested.

Mean Bastards! I've always wondered why they call mean testing means
testing :-)

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Chris Malcolm        cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk              DoD #205
IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Alan S - 09 Nov 2007 12:03 GMT
>Mean Bastards! I've always wondered why they call mean testing means
>testing :-)

Agreed. Paid taxes since I was 16; but some years ago they
worked out that the baby boomers were going to retire in
this decade and they got even more parsimonious.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
Chris Malcolm - 09 Nov 2007 13:58 GMT
>>Mean Bastards! I've always wondered why they call mean testing means
>>testing :-)

> Agreed. Paid taxes since I was 16; but some years ago they
> worked out that the baby boomers were going to retire in
> this decade and they got even more parsimonious.

Impressively far sighted bureaucracies you've got there. Ours mostly
freak when when the baby boom generation hits them, claiming that
nobody had told them it was coming.

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Chris Malcolm        cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk              DoD #205
IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Alan S - 09 Nov 2007 01:52 GMT
>My government pension at age 65!

And Happy Birthday!

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
Frank t2 - 09 Nov 2007 05:43 GMT
Well done, enjoy it for many, many years, Chris.

I hope you go out, live life to the full. No need to
live life conservatively .. go on cruises, holiday to
exotic places ... do walk abouts ...
Get out from under the smog and dank, unhealthy air over there ...

And tell us all about the fun you have

Oh yes, and get a good camera to allow you to show
off the photos of places you have enjoyed !

Very best wishes,

Frank

- I'm 2 years away from it now ?? what can I expect as a decent
  retirement pension ?

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> a écrit ...
> My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> halt the degeneration of my health. In fact I've been surprised and
> delighted by how much my health has improved :-)
Chris Malcolm - 09 Nov 2007 11:16 GMT
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> a ecrit ...

>> My government pension at age 65!

> Well done, enjoy it for many, many years, Chris.

> I hope you go out, live life to the full. No need to
> live life conservatively .. go on cruises, holiday to
> exotic places ...

Cruises and exotic holidays are out, can't afford them.

> do walk abouts ...

Yup, walking is within my financial budget :-)

> Get out from under the smog and dank, unhealthy air over there ...

I live in Edinburgh, Frank. Frequent rain and wind keeps the air
pretty clean for a city :-)

> And tell us all about the fun you have

> Oh yes, and get a good camera to allow you to show
> off the photos of places you have enjoyed !

I've already got a good camera. I'm lucky to live in a city very
plentifully blessed with such amazing views that in many places if
they had just one of them they'd organise bus tours to it. Here you
just have to walk round the corner to find another one :-)

Here's a recent sunset from the city centre:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1673808197&size=l

Here's a view taken a hundred yards from that one which was used in a
local travel guide:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1377101834&size=l

And here's one of my favourite views on one of my favourite local
walks. It's best viewed in the original size to appreciate the full
sweep of the amazing perspective.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1015860455&size=l

I'm also only a mile from the seaside (and a few miles from this place):

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=737534888&context=set-72157602392643777&
size=l


or a few miles and several hundred feet up to the views from the top of
the biggest hill in the city:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=487104840&context=set-72157602392643777&
size=l


So you see, I don't need to travel to an exotic place, because I
already live in one :-)

> - I'm 2 years away from it now ?? what can I expect as a decent
>    retirement pension ?

The standard full govt pension if you've paid the full entitling
amount of National Insurance contributions for men currently runs at
119 pounds a week (approx $238). The UK Govt pension web site will give
you a free personal pension quotation if you give them your NI number.

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Will, T2 - 09 Nov 2007 11:50 GMT
>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> a ecrit ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>119 pounds a week (approx $238). The UK Govt pension web site will give
>you a free personal pension quotation if you give them your NI number.

Hi Chris,

You are truly blessed to live in such a beautiful place! I spent about
a week in Edinburgh one time, and I have personally experienced the
beauty and charm of Edinburgh. Also, I have been to most of the places
in your photos :-)

Will, T2
Chris Malcolm - 29 Nov 2007 13:14 GMT
> My government pension at age 65!

> They hadn't written to me, but a phone call discovered that they'd
> been writing to a wrong address because the official street addressing
> and post code databases get my address wrong, and they had decided to
> overwrite my own personally supplied address with the "obviously" more
> correct official version.

[snip]

> My financial boat has been leaking rather worryingly since then, but
> the arrival of my govt pension goes a long way to fixing the leak.  

I wrote that after the first letter they sent me which was a formal
letter of award telling me how much pension I was going to get.

They then sent me a second letter, which contained pages of warnings
about deductions from my pension which they said might apply to me.
It said that I would later receive my official letter of award which
would include all the deductions which they had imposed. It wouldn't
actually specify any of these deductions, it would just tell me the
total after subtracting them all.

This second letter with all the rules and calculations was to inform
me of all the possible kinds of calculation that might have been done
to reduce the size of my pension. It was apparently so complicated to
decide and explain which actually applied to me that at the time of
writing they hadn't yet done that. But they would have done that when
they sent me my award letter. In order not to make the award letter
confusing they wouldn't include any of the deduction details on that
letter, just the total.

So to clarify the omitted calculations from the letter they were later
going to send me, they were sending all of the missing details from
the second letter in advance in this first letter. Except because they
didn't yet know which details applied to me they were sending the
whole lot which might apply.

But I had actually got my letter of award first, before the second
letter instead of after it! To make things worse the second letter
then said helpfully that it cancelled any previous correspondence I
might have received. So was my first award letter a mistake, or was it
just a mistake that they sent it first? Or was I due to get a second
revised award letter? And how would I ever find out which deductions
had actually in fact been made?

I read both letters several times very carefully. It was impossible to
work out what was going on. I consulted the government pension web
sites. After hours of reading I was still mystified.  I had wanted to
avoid phoning them because you have to listen to music for ages which
they interrupt now and then to tell you how valuable your phone call
is. But I gave up and phoned them. I expect to see just how valuable
my phone call was when I get my next phone bill :-(

They apologised for how busy their phone lines were. They told me that
nobody is able to understand these letters. Goodness me, I wonder if
that might have something to do with how busy the phone lines are?

It seems that the correct thing to do was to ignore the second letter,
which had by mistake been sent after the first letter instead of
before it. According to my apologetic informant that is a very common
mistake which does confuse a lot of people, quite apart from the fact
that the second letter is well known to be incomprehensible anyway. He
said they can't understand it themselves so it's not surprising I
couldn't understand it.

There are two ways of explaining this absurdly incompetent
correspondence I've had from them. The first is that that they're just
a bunch of complete nincompoops who ought to have been pensioned off
on grounds of govt-related-dementia years ago. The second is that they
not only want to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to
discover whether they're getting all the pension they ought to be,
they want to scare them off from even trying to find out.

Hm.

Just as well these people are only doing something unimportant like
deciding pensions instead of something important like running the
country!

Chris Malcolm
Oleg Lego - 29 Nov 2007 17:42 GMT
>> My government pension at age 65!

<much snippage>

>There are two ways of explaining this absurdly incompetent
>correspondence I've had from them. The first is that that they're just
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>deciding pensions instead of something important like running the
>country!

Sometimes I get the feeling that I would, rather than deal with a
government bureaucracy, nail my penis to a burning building. Then I
realize that while it would be less painful, it would not eliminate
the need to deal with the bureaucracy.

Congrats on getting your pension started. I just received my third
monthly cheque today, and the process of applying for it was
surprisingly easy, probably because it was all online and automated.

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Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Last A1c 8.1 (at DX)

Alan S - 29 Nov 2007 20:53 GMT
>>> My government pension at age 65!
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>realize that while it would be less painful, it would not eliminate
>the need to deal with the bureaucracy.

Of course. You'd need a carpenter's tech school diploma, a
building permit, and a local authority Design Approval for
the penis-nailing, including an environmental study,
concurrence from the neighbours on street-scape effect and
likely changes to traffic patterns and parking as expected
spectators come to view the event. Not to mention waiting
until the arsonist gets similar approvals.

>Congrats on getting your pension started. I just received my third
>monthly cheque today, and the process of applying for it was
>surprisingly easy, probably because it was all online and automated.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
Loretta Eisenberg - 29 Nov 2007 19:42 GMT
Chris I have two words

oy vey
RodS - 30 Nov 2007 09:19 GMT
So Sir Humphrey has trained his replacements well then

  (- -)
=m=(_)=m=
RodS T2
Australia

>> My government pension at age 65!
>
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>
> Chris Malcolm
 
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