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Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 04:58 GMT
A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...

Microalbumin is 50.0 and should be <18.0.  Urine Creatinine 45.6.  No range
given for that.  Microalbumin/Creat Ratio 110 and should be <30.  30-300
mg/g Increased risk for diabetic nephropathy.  Two of three
Microalbumin/Creatinine Ratios in this range indicate micoalbuminaria and
diabetic nephropathy.

Dr. made a note to increase Lisinopril from 10 mg to 20 mg.  However...  I
am already taking 30 mg so I have to call him and get that straightened out.
I had to do this same thing before.  Somehow he must not have changed my
numbers in his computer or something.

TSH 1.49.  Range is 0.40-5.00.
Diana - 27 Sep 2007 05:07 GMT
> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>
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>
> TSH 1.49.  Range is 0.40-5.00.

Julie congrats on your A1c coming down. Good work girl. :-)

When they do a Microalbumin on me and it is elevated it is a kidney
infection.

Could you have one or does those things mean kidney damage?
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 05:13 GMT
>> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>>
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>
> Could you have one or does those things mean kidney damage?

Nobody has said what it could mean.  I don't seem to have signs of an
infection, but...  My friend had an infection and no signs.  She went into
the hospital for a nosebleed that didn't stop and found out she had a whole
bunch of stuff wrong with her.

This has been going on for a while with me.  I think I had a problem twice,
then no problem then a problem again.  But I might have the sequence wrong.
Don't feel like going back through my labs.
Diana - 27 Sep 2007 06:21 GMT
>>> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>>>
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> twice, then no problem then a problem again.  But I might have the
> sequence wrong. Don't feel like going back through my labs.

I am really sorry for your friend having so many problems.

I hope yours is nothing serious. I know when I had the microalbumin urine
done it was to see if I had kidney infection and I did. I didn't have any
symptoms either. This time I did though so that was good.

If you should want to read up on it here is a link for you.

http://diabetes.webmd.com/Microalbumin-Urine-Test

Another helpful link I hope for you is this one.
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/microalbumin/test.html

Best of health Julie. I am sorry you have all these health issues.
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 07:02 GMT
> I am really sorry for your friend having so many problems.
>
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>
> Best of health Julie. I am sorry you have all these health issues.

Thanks!
Diana - 27 Sep 2007 07:36 GMT
>> I am really sorry for your friend having so many problems.
>>
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>
> Thanks!

You are more than welcome :-)
Ozgirl - 27 Sep 2007 07:21 GMT
>>> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>>>
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> twice, then no problem then a problem again.  But I might have the
> sequence wrong. Don't feel like going back through my labs.

I'm a bit concerned here. You have microalbuminaria and an A1c in the "fair"
range and the doctor doesn't prescribe something immediately? I hope this
wasn't an endo. I am also concerned that he just wanted to up the ACE med
(even though you are over the dose he was going to up it to anyway). An ACE
isn't a magic pill that prevents end-stage renal disease. Like diabetic
meds, it is their to assist. A diabetic can over ride any med.

Kidney disease can begin with bg's lower than those that cause other
diabetic complications. I would not be letting this situation go on for much
longer.
Diana - 27 Sep 2007 07:38 GMT
>>>> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>>>>
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> diabetic complications. I would not be letting this situation go on for
> much longer.

I am concerned too. Thanks Jan for putting into words I could not come up
with. Please Julie ask lots of questions to the doctor and get this taken
care of. Those numbers are just way too high. We care about you alot.
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 08:55 GMT
> I'm a bit concerned here. You have microalbuminaria and an A1c in the
> "fair" range and the doctor doesn't prescribe something immediately? I
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> Like diabetic meds, it is their to assist. A diabetic can over ride any
> med.

Yes, this is an Endo. and purportedly the best in the area.  I don't know
what other meds I should be on but I will ask.  The problem with upping the
ACE is it's going to make my already sometimes too low BP even lower.  I
have fainted a couple of times from this already.  His solution?  Stop
taking the diuretic.  But when I do that I just get puffy feet and ankles
and that is painful.

> Kidney disease can begin with bg's lower than those that cause other
> diabetic complications. I would not be letting this situation go on for
> much longer.

He has not said I have actual damage.  And I don't know what other tests
would be done to check for this.  But I will ask.
Nicky - 27 Sep 2007 09:01 GMT
>A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>
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>I had to do this same thing before.  Somehow he must not have changed my
>numbers in his computer or something.

How comfortable are you that he's treating possible kidney damage so
conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
your insurance, but this guy doesn't sound very proactive...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 09:06 GMT
>>A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>>
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> conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
> your insurance, but this guy doesn't sound very proactive...

He hasn't said one way or the other what it does mean.  I did ask if it
meant kidney damage and he said not necessarily.

There are no Endos. in the city where I live.  This guy is in another city
and I have to get a ride there because it is too far for me to drive.  He is
recommended by my Dr. and also by the diabetes educator that my dad goes to.
My dad does not see an Endo.  There is an Endo. in the city where my dad
lives, but I've heard he is no good.
bj - 27 Sep 2007 17:34 GMT
>> How comfortable are you that he's treating possible kidney damage so
>> conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
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> goes to. My dad does not see an Endo.  There is an Endo. in the city where
> my dad lives, but I've heard he is no good.

How about having at least one consult withe a kidney specialist?
bj
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 17:40 GMT
>>> How comfortable are you that he's treating possible kidney damage so
>>> conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
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>
> How about having at least one consult withe a kidney specialist?

I suppose I could try to find one of those.  Not sure there are any around
here.  My friend who had kidney failure had to go to the U of WA, but there
might have been extenuating circumstances.
Ozgirl - 27 Sep 2007 23:01 GMT
>>>> How comfortable are you that he's treating possible kidney damage so
>>>> conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
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> here.  My friend who had kidney failure had to go to the U of WA, but
> there might have been extenuating circumstances.

If you have microalbumineria you have kidney damage. If the bg's can be
brought back into line quickly (and BP if it is high - you says yours isn't
though) then there is a good chance of reversal. A good chance - not a
definite. It can be a rapid progression to dialysis! Get a second opinion
and I suggest it be ASAP. As much as you may hate this, you may have to
start re thinking the foods you dislike as you have allergies to the foods
that can help bring down bg. I joined the yahoo gastroparesis list by the
way to get an idea of what others are doing. Have you seen that list? It's
looks ok.
Julie Bove - 27 Sep 2007 23:35 GMT
> If you have microalbumineria you have kidney damage. If the bg's can be
> brought back into line quickly (and BP if it is high - you says yours
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> list by the way to get an idea of what others are doing. Have you seen
> that list? It's looks ok.

I can not eat much of what is on that list because of the allergies.  I am
in that group, but most of those people are on feeding tubes, so I don't
feel like I have anything in common with them.  When my stomach is acting
up, I am pretty much limited to Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal, a bit of
chicken breast, chicken broth and white rice.  Anything else comes right
back up.  When my stomach is cooperating, I can eat the raw vegan diet, but
must severely limit my portion sizes.

When it comes to food, it's not just a matter of disliking it.  I can't eat
goitrogenic foods for two reasons.  One being the goiter and another that
they are too high in fiber for my stomach.  I can't do most meats because I
throw them up.  Once in a while I have a small amount of bacon or some
hamburger.  I seem to be able to do dried beans with no problems.

Green smoothies have been recommended to me, but they are really high in
carbs because they contain bananas and assorted juices.  Also, any time I've
tried to drink a smoothie, I gag on it so that's not good.

I will see what I can do.  My Dr. didn't call me back.  His assistant did.
I did look up diabetic nephropathy and it does appear that an ACE is
standard treatment.

I also heard back from the gastroenterologist's assistant.  She told me to
try Maalox or Mylanta.  Hopefully they won't cause those sick migraines.  I
am getting over yet another one.  They make me so sick to my stomach that I
can't keep any food down other than the cereal and chicken, broth and rice.
Uncle Enrico - 29 Sep 2007 08:02 GMT
> How comfortable are you that he's treating possible kidney damage so
> conservatively? I know you have problems finding docs who will take
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> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25

The UCLA kidney researchers who visited my support group told us that
GFR (glomeruler filtration rate) was the best way to judge kidney function.
You need your serum creatinine level from your most recent lab test. The
urine creatinine level is not usable in this test.

The GFR assesses how rapidly your kidneys are clearing creatinine from
your blood. Creatinine is a byproduct of muscle activity. The more
muscle mass one has affects the calculation:

http://www.davita.com/gfr_calculator/

There are several GFRs on the web, but this one gives the grade scale.
Uncle Enrico - 29 Sep 2007 08:06 GMT
> There are several GFRs on the web, but this one gives the grade scale.

Ooops....should have read  "There are several GFR calculators on the
web, but this one gives the grade scale."
Julie Bove - 30 Sep 2007 06:18 GMT
>> There are several GFRs on the web, but this one gives the grade scale.
>
> Ooops....should have read  "There are several GFR calculators on the web,
> but this one gives the grade scale."

Well, I don't think they tested for that.  At least it doesn't show on my
labs.
krom - 27 Sep 2007 10:59 GMT
Good to hear the a1c is dropping some for ya.

Lisiniprol gave me a bad cough and water on the lungs..sigh...just now
starting to recover.
The say it can happen as far as a year out.

KROM

> A1c down to 7.1 from 7.8 so no insulin at the moment.  But...
>
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>
> TSH 1.49.  Range is 0.40-5.00.
Diana - 27 Sep 2007 11:39 GMT
> Good to hear the a1c is dropping some for ya.
>
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>>
>> TSH 1.49.  Range is 0.40-5.00.

That is true Krom. My cough and water lasted at least a year. Since August
06 and have only quieted down from the cough about two weeks now. Oh such a
relief too.
krom - 28 Sep 2007 08:21 GMT
I am lucky!... its been about 2 weeks off the lisinopril and on the new
med..forget the name..has a heart on it..lol..but im coughing less now which
is awsome..i felt like the girl on utube with perma hicups..i was coughing
every two seconds i coulnt eat cause id cough as i chewed...

KROM

>> Good to hear the a1c is dropping some for ya.
>>
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> 06 and have only quieted down from the cough about two weeks now. Oh such
> a relief too.
Diana - 28 Sep 2007 08:49 GMT
Hey that is great news Krom !!! I am taking a med with a little heart too
and it is called Avapro and I really like it. I hated having that cough from
the Lisinopril. Glad you are doing better.

>I am lucky!... its been about 2 weeks off the lisinopril and on the new
>med..forget the name..has a heart on it..lol..but im coughing less now
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>> August 06 and have only quieted down from the cough about two weeks now.
>> Oh such a relief too.
krom - 28 Sep 2007 13:51 GMT
hey thats the one!..i had to get it because the one the endo prescribed the
insurance wouldnt cover.
i was told it might produce a slight cough but man that was crazy!
My chest and stomach were hurting bad from all the coughing..its like clear
blue skies and angels singing to be getting rid of it...lol.

KROM

> Hey that is great news Krom !!! I am taking a med with a little heart too
> and it is called Avapro and I really like it. I hated having that cough
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>>> August 06 and have only quieted down from the cough about two weeks now.
>>> Oh such a relief too.
Diana - 28 Sep 2007 16:34 GMT
I agree. I longed for those clear blue skies and Angels singing my cough was
so bad and then wallahhh it was gone and I finally slept.  No one told me
what would happen. My realtor is on Lisinopril so I should tell him as he
coughs too but not as much as I did.

Glad you got a good one. Now you rest that safe and restful sleep sleep
sleep. Uh oh wrong commercial :-)

> hey thats the one!..i had to get it because the one the endo prescribed
> the insurance wouldnt cover.
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>>>> August 06 and have only quieted down from the cough about two weeks
>>>> now. Oh such a relief too.
DonnaB shallotpeel - 27 Sep 2007 15:09 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:59:10 -0500 in Msg.#

> Good to hear the a1c is dropping some for ya.
>
> Lisiniprol gave me a bad cough and water on the lungs..sigh...just now
> starting to recover.
> The say it can happen as far as a year out.

Thanks for the heads up on that long-term initial onset for that
complication.

And, I'm so sorry you've had to suffer through this yuck for so long.

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º Why isn't phonetically spelled that way?

krom - 28 Sep 2007 08:23 GMT
Thnx..as i told diana im very lucky in that after two weeks off im
recovering..still coughing alot but at least i get a few minutes rest
between now.
I was shocked because i was fine for months and like i say the complication
can hit as far as a year out from starting it..

KROM

> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:59:10 -0500 in Msg.#
>
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>
> And, I'm so sorry you've had to suffer through this yuck for so long.
Diana - 28 Sep 2007 08:50 GMT
Not to worry. The cough will finally disappear after about another week or
two. Mine did. Now I cough only because of my constricted airways from the
Chronic Bronchitis. I am one happy camper not to be coughing every second of
every day LOL.

> Thnx..as i told diana im very lucky in that after two weeks off im
> recovering..still coughing alot but at least i get a few minutes rest
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>>
>> And, I'm so sorry you've had to suffer through this yuck for so long.
 
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