Since when did posting to a newsgroup limited who was allowed to respond?

If you wish to have a private conversaiton with guy, I'd recommend to
your consideration a little invention called email.

You're entitled to your opinion of what I was attempting.

I notice you answered fewer of my questions than guy answered of yours
though.

What exactly is it about high-school level science you find
controversial or provocative?

I *did* just post a similar post last week and no one flamed me or
accused me of trolling.  I guess I didn't "get" that the chemcial
structure of carbohydrates was such a hot issue here!

Guy's followup post was full of more of his crotchety rants against
unnamed persons, the post you had problems with was a link to the
chemistry of carbohydrates.  Again, what exactly was your problem with
this link?

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/C/Carbohydrates.html

I'm awaiting your response as to what exactly is controversial about this.

And when you're done with that I have a followup question about what
exactly you find trollish about my response.  At the moment, all I have
is a blanket accusation.

I did not address his motives.  I said:

Which is about *my* uncertainty in observing one of his posts, not about
mind-reading his motivations.

You on the other hand claim to know what I am "attempting".  Pot,
kettle, black.

I'm a newby here (I've been visiting for over a month now)
and I find it an ideal place to gain ideas, lose tension for
the day, listen to advice ... from all quarters.

Male or female, T1 or T2s, American or real people (Hey!
just joshing ya!) visit here ...

Nobody in here is standard, nobody here even TRIES to
impose his/her ideas.  Many remember to add the
precautionary phrase
"I am not a Doctor ... take advice from your doctor...."
kind of thing, but honestly, in this day and age, who really
listens to the advice of a faceless internaute ?

No, this place approaches the "UN of diabetes"... where
else would you get advice that includes 'this may not work
for you, but I got ...'  kind of warnings in most posts with
'life experiences' on dieting for diabetes ?

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...

Alan S wrote in message
<3nl9c39eacr9vfe13lhnei0g25vh8a2f2a@4ax.com>...

And what the Hell is a "positive poster?" Positive as in cheerful,
postive as in tested positive for such and such disease, or positive
as in sure of themselves? Does anyone really come here *expecting*
things from positive posters? I doubt it. :-)

Cheri

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:10:38 +1000 in Msg.#
<3nl9c39eacr9vfe13lhnei0g25vh8a2f2a@4ax.com>, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com>  wrote:

Wha-, you want him to say it louder?!! <G>

It is not your prerogative to tell me how to post.  Just do
not read them. Take care of your own posts

Tom, you have a bit of a double-standard in that you are concerned about
whether people are capable of judging how good a book is, but don't seem
to care if they can judge whether their doctor is any good.

My doctor wasn't in college yet when I was diagnosed with diabetes, he's
a young guy. Even so, he *could* know a lot by now if he chose to study
it, but he hasn't focused on it to the degree I have.  On the other
hand, I was a PhD candidate in biochemistry with access to a medical
library when I was diagnosed.  With my personal interest, I learned a LOT.

I like my doctor and think he's a good doctor for most things, but I
know a lot more about diabetes than he does and he would tell you that
himself.  Furthermore, even if I had an entirely different background,
I'd know more about *my* diabetes than he does because I've been living
with it for twenty years.

To tell someone to pick a doctor they trust and then to do what the
doctor says makes no sense to me.  How do they know who to trust unless
they first educate themselves?

I don't see how someone is supposed to be able to judge whether they
have a good doctor or not short of educating themselves.  And yes,
reading a review book that explains diabetes in laymen's terms is NOT
the same as reading research.  Still, everyone has to begin somewhere.

I recommend Bernstein's book to people all the time.  In fact, I gave
copies of it to my husband's stepmother and uncle for Christmas, along
with a batch of homemade sugar-free chocolate.

I don't care for Bernstein's diet advice which I think is too strict,
and I don't agree with all of his advice with respect to medications
either.  But it's an excellent explanation of diabetes, diabetic
complications and bg control for the layman.

Sure, learning more than that would be great.  But everyone has to start
somewhere.

I don't think it is clear who he is talking about myself.

Though I'd agree if a so-called dietician or nutritionist couldn't
explain to me what a carbohydrate actually *is* I'd be less inclined to
listen to a damn word they said otherwise.

I do not believe in telling people to listen to experts.  It's not like
all the experts agree - and most people are not equipped to judge the
experts.

But I do believe they should get their *own* information.  Not from
books or usenet and not from their doctor or dietician either... but
from their meter.

For instance, no one has to become educated enough to judge the
scientific literature to discover that exercise improves their numbers,
they can *see* it.  They don't have to rely on books to find out how
much exercise is expected to lower their bg, they can see exactly how
much it actually does and adjust their diet accordingly.

Why is this so controversial?  None of us is the "average diabetic" - we
are all individual and our diabetes is at different stages.  What works
for some doesn't work for all.

When I read what the known low-carbing folks here eat, even the known
low-carbers, almost all of them eat way more carb than I do and talk
about eating things that I know would spike the heck out of me.  As far
as I'm able to judge on this newsgroup, I'm one of the more extreme
low-carbers.

Then I go over to Bernstein's web forum and see I eat nearly twice as
much carb as most of those people do and a lot of them are pretty darned
strict about sticking to it.  So over there, I'm very lax.

So am I extreme or lax?  It doesn't matter.  I'm not competing with
anyone here, nor am I competing with anyone there, nor am I competing
with my doctor's advice, nor the "average" diabetic... what matters is
*my* health which I can easily measure for myself by seeing what my
meter says.

And that is how *every* diabetic, regardless of their education, can use
to judge the advice of posters, books or doctors.  Does the advice WORK
in my body?  If so, that's advice to keep, and if not, that's advice to
ignore.  Every diabetic is not going to become an expert, but we can all
discover which of the expert's advice works best for us with our meters.

On Aug 16, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

I drive my truck onto the scales while on the freeway in between the
semi's that get weighed. I drive up before I buy my sandwich and then
after I eat it. Then I know how much I ate because of the weight
difference.