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ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Aug 2007 07:50 GMT
Anyone care to guess WHY there were NO .. deaths .. ?
Where did they hide the bodies .. ?
There HAD to be .. some .. bodies.

The Acord Study seemed to be following the steps of the Procrit study
in which Procrit had 33% increased .. death .. which has led to the
veritable **demise** of .. Amgen .. Procrit was their .. lifeblood.

NOW this Acord Study  is completed .. using another epoetin .. BUT ..
**noone** dies .. NO .. increased .. DEATH .. ?

Same ..  investigational target hemoglobin level of 13.5 grams per
deciliter of blood (g/dL).

The Acord Study compared to the Choir Study.
Choir Study:1,432 patients 72 died at 13.5 g/dL and 56 died at 11.3 g/
dL
Acord Study:172 patients - 0? died at 13.5 g/dL and 0? died at 11.3 g/
dL .. ?
According to calculation:  - 7 died at 13.5 g/dl  and 5 died at 11.3 g/
dl .. ?

This would because of the small study .. and therefore any real
ability to say .. "see" / not enough dead bodies TO count.

Procrit made the mistake of BEING the brunt OF .. a .. large .. study.

<<snip>>
There were no clinically relevant differences in adverse events
between study groups. {Acord Study }
<<snip>>

Two .. people .. not really significant .. multiply that by ..
thousands ..

BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK
Heart Risk Seen in Drug For Anemia
November 16, 2006 Health News
By ALEX BERENSON
A new study suggests that high doses of a best-selling drug used to
treat anemia in dialysis and cancer patients may increase the risk of
heart problems.

--------------------------------------------

Ortho Biotech Products, L.P. Release: Data From Correction Of
Hemoglobin And Outcomes In Renal Insufficiency (CHOIR) Study
Presented
At National Kidney Foundation Meeting

CHICAGO, April 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Final data from an investigational
clinical trial, Correction of Hemoglobin and Outcomes in Renal
Insufficiency, referred to as the CHOIR study, were presented today
at
the National Kidney Foundation (NKF) 2006 Spring Clinical Meetings.

The primary analysis of the composite endpoint showed a statistically
significant higher incidence of composite endpoint events --
consisting
of mortality, stroke, heart attack and hospitalization due to
congestive heart failure -- in the group of patients treated to the
investigational hemoglobin target of 13.5 g/dL, as compared to the
group treated to the hemoglobin target that is consistent with the
current product label, 11.3 g/dL.

One hundred and twenty-eight
patients died during the study and the 90-day study follow-up period:
72 patients in the arm being treated to 13.5 g/dL and 56 patients in
the arm being treated to 11.3 g/dL

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/harvard_univ
ersity/index.html?query=EPOETIN%20(DRUG)&field=des&match=exact


The Anaemia CORrection in Diabetes (ACORD) study aims to investigate
the effects of early anaemia correction with subcutaneous NeoRecormon®
(epoetinbeta) on cardiac structure and function in patients with early
diabetic nephropathy. The ACORD study is an international
multicentre,randomised trial in which diabetic patients who are
anaemic (Hb ≥ 10.5g/dl but less than 13g/dl) are assigned to one of
two treatment groups. The early anaemia correction group start
epoetinbeta therapy immediately to attain a target Hb level of 13–15g/
dl, while the late anaemia correction group only begin treatment once
their Hb has declined below 10.5g/dl, with a target level of 10.5–
11.5g/dl. The results from the ACORD and IRIDIEM trials will provide
additional information regarding the optimal management of anaemia and
risk factors in patients with early diabetic nephropathy. Early
referral and individualised intervention of patients with diabetic
nephropathy is likely to be essential in order to minimise morbidity
and mortality.

<<snip>>
There were no clinically relevant differences in adverse events
between study groups.
<<snip>>

Am J Kidney Dis. 2007 Feb;49(2):194-207. Links
Erratum in:
Am J Kidney Dis. 2007 Apr;49(4):562.
Target level for hemoglobin correction in patients with diabetes and
CKD: primary results of the Anemia Correction in Diabetes (ACORD)
Study.Ritz E, Laville M, Bilous RW, O'Donoghue D, Scherhag A, Burger
U, de Alvaro F; Anemia Correction in Diabetes Study Investigators.
Department of Internal Medicine, University of Heidelberg; Medical
Clinic I, University Hospital Mannheim, Germany. prof.e.ritz@t-
online.de

BACKGROUND:
Patients with diabetes and anemia are at high risk of cardiovascular
disease. The Anemia CORrection in Diabetes (ACORD) Study aimed to
investigate the effect of anemia correction on cardiac structure,
function, and outcomes in patients with diabetes with anemia and early
diabetic nephropathy.
METHODS:
One hundred seventy-two patients with type 1 or 2 diabetes mellitus,
mild to moderate anemia, and stage 1 to 3 chronic kidney disease were
randomly assigned to attain a target hemoglobin (Hb) level of either
13 to 15 g/dL (130 to 150 g/L; group 1) or 10.5 to 11.5 g/dL (105 to
115 g/L; group 2). The primary end point was change in left
ventricular mass index (LVMI). Secondary end points included
echocardiographic variables, renal function, quality of life, and
safety.
RESULTS:
Median Hb level and LVMI were similar in groups 1 and 2 (Hb, 11.9 and
11.7 g/dL [119 and 117 g/L]; LVMI, 113.5 and 112.3 g/m(2),
respectively). At study end, Hb levels were 13.5 g/dL (135 g/L) in
group 1 and 12.1 g/dL (121 g/L) in group 2 (P < 0.001). No significant
differences were observed in median LVMI at month 15 between study
groups (group 1, 112.3 g/m(2); group 2, 116.5 g/m(2)). Multivariate
analysis showed a nonsignificant decrease in LVMI (P = 0.15) in group
1 versus group 2. Anemia correction had no effect on the rate of
decrease in creatinine clearance, but resulted in significantly
improved quality of life in group 1 (P = 0.04). There were no
clinically relevant differences in adverse events between study
groups.
CONCLUSION:
In patients with diabetes with mild to moderate anemia and moderate
left ventricular hypertrophy, correction to an Hb target level of 13
to 15 g/dL (130 to 150 g/L) does not decrease LVMI. However,
normalization of Hb level prevented an additional increase in left
ventricular hypertrophy, was safe, and improved quality of life.

PMID: 17261422 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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carwools - 17 Aug 2007 22:38 GMT
no care
Anyone care to guess WHY there were NO .. deaths .. ?
Where did they hide the bodies .. ?
There HAD to be .. some .. bodies.

The Acord Study seemed to be following the steps of the Procrit study
in which Procrit had 33% increased .. death .. which has led to the
veritable **demise** of .. Amgen .. Procrit was their .. lifeblood.

NOW this Acord Study  is completed .. using another epoetin .. BUT ..
**noone** dies .. NO .. increased .. DEATH .. ?

Same ..  investigational target hemoglobin level of 13.5 grams per
deciliter of blood (g/dL).

The Acord Study compared to the Choir Study.
Choir Study:1,432 patients 72 died at 13.5 g/dL and 56 died at 11.3 g/
dL
Acord Study:172 patients - 0? died at 13.5 g/dL and 0? died at 11.3 g/
dL .. ?
According to calculation:  - 7 died at 13.5 g/dl  and 5 died at 11.3 g/
dl .. ?

This would because of the small study .. and therefore any real
ability to say .. "see" / not enough dead bodies TO count.

Procrit made the mistake of BEING the brunt OF .. a .. large .. study.

<<snip>>
There were no clinically relevant differences in adverse events
between study groups. {Acord Study }
<<snip>>

Two .. people .. not really significant .. multiply that by ..
thousands ..

BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK
Heart Risk Seen in Drug For Anemia
November 16, 2006 Health News
By ALEX BERENSON
A new study suggests that high doses of a best-selling drug used to
treat anemia in dialysis and cancer patients may increase the risk of
heart problems.

--------------------------------------------

Ortho Biotech Products, L.P. Release: Data From Correction Of
Hemoglobin And Outcomes In Renal Insufficiency (CHOIR) Study
Presented
At National Kidney Foundation Meeting

CHICAGO, April 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Final data from an investigational
clinical trial, Correction of Hemoglobin and Outcomes in Renal
Insufficiency, referred to as the CHOIR study, were presented today
at
the National Kidney Foundation (NKF) 2006 Spring Clinical Meetings.

The primary analysis of the composite endpoint showed a statistically
significant higher incidence of composite endpoint events --
consisting
of mortality, stroke, heart attack and hospitalization due to
congestive heart failure -- in the group of patients treated to the
investigational hemoglobin target of 13.5 g/dL, as compared to the
group treated to the hemoglobin target that is consistent with the
current product label, 11.3 g/dL.

One hundred and twenty-eight
patients died during the study and the 90-day study follow-up period:
72 patients in the arm being treated to 13.5 g/dL and 56 patients in
the arm being treated to 11.3 g/dL

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/harvard_univ
ersity/index.html?query=EPOETIN%20(DRUG)&field=des&match=exact


The Anaemia CORrection in Diabetes (ACORD) study aims to investigate
the effects of early anaemia correction with subcutaneous NeoRecormon®
(epoetinbeta) on cardiac structure and function in patients with early
diabetic nephropathy. The ACORD study is an international
multicentre,randomised trial in which diabetic patients who are
anaemic (Hb ? 10.5g/dl but less than 13g/dl) are assigned to one of
two treatment groups. The early anaemia correction group start
epoetinbeta therapy immediately to attain a target Hb level of 13-15g/
dl, while the late anaemia correction group only begin treatment once
their Hb has declined below 10.5g/dl, with a target level of 10.5-
11.5g/dl. The results from the ACORD and IRIDIEM trials will provide
additional information regarding the optimal management of anaemia and
risk factors in patients with early diabetic nephropathy. Early
referral and individualised intervention of patients with diabetic
nephropathy is likely to be essential in order to minimise morbidity
and mortality.

<<snip>>
There were no clinically relevant differences in adverse events
between study groups.
<<snip>>

Am J Kidney Dis. 2007 Feb;49(2):194-207. Links
Erratum in:
Am J Kidney Dis. 2007 Apr;49(4):562.
Target level for hemoglobin correction in patients with diabetes and
CKD: primary results of the Anemia Correction in Diabetes (ACORD)
Study.Ritz E, Laville M, Bilous RW, O'Donoghue D, Scherhag A, Burger
U, de Alvaro F; Anemia Correction in Diabetes Study Investigators.
Department of Internal Medicine, University of Heidelberg; Medical
Clinic I, University Hospital Mannheim, Germany. prof.e.ritz@t-
online.de

BACKGROUND:
Patients with diabetes and anemia are at high risk of cardiovascular
disease. The Anemia CORrection in Diabetes (ACORD) Study aimed to
investigate the effect of anemia correction on cardiac structure,
function, and outcomes in patients with diabetes with anemia and early
diabetic nephropathy.
METHODS:
One hundred seventy-two patients with type 1 or 2 diabetes mellitus,
mild to moderate anemia, and stage 1 to 3 chronic kidney disease were
randomly assigned to attain a target hemoglobin (Hb) level of either
13 to 15 g/dL (130 to 150 g/L; group 1) or 10.5 to 11.5 g/dL (105 to
115 g/L; group 2). The primary end point was change in left
ventricular mass index (LVMI). Secondary end points included
echocardiographic variables, renal function, quality of life, and
safety.
RESULTS:
Median Hb level and LVMI were similar in groups 1 and 2 (Hb, 11.9 and
11.7 g/dL [119 and 117 g/L]; LVMI, 113.5 and 112.3 g/m(2),
respectively). At study end, Hb levels were 13.5 g/dL (135 g/L) in
group 1 and 12.1 g/dL (121 g/L) in group 2 (P < 0.001). No significant
differences were observed in median LVMI at month 15 between study
groups (group 1, 112.3 g/m(2); group 2, 116.5 g/m(2)). Multivariate
analysis showed a nonsignificant decrease in LVMI (P = 0.15) in group
1 versus group 2. Anemia correction had no effect on the rate of
decrease in creatinine clearance, but resulted in significantly
improved quality of life in group 1 (P = 0.04). There were no
clinically relevant differences in adverse events between study
groups.
CONCLUSION:
In patients with diabetes with mild to moderate anemia and moderate
left ventricular hypertrophy, correction to an Hb target level of 13
to 15 g/dL (130 to 150 g/L) does not decrease LVMI. However,
normalization of Hb level prevented an additional increase in left
ventricular hypertrophy, was safe, and improved quality of life.

PMID: 17261422 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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ironjustice@aol.com - 18 Aug 2007 04:52 GMT
>> On Aug 17, 2:38 pm, "carwools" <carwo...@aol.com> wrote: no care <<

You must not have any shares IN the .. company .. ?

I wonder why they went a 'wee' bit .. off label .. ? They MUST have
killed someone.

They said in the study they took them TO .. 15 g/dL  and this
NeoRecormon label says **NOT** to go by  ..13 g/dl .. ?

We found in the Choir Study THEY found people started falling at 13.5
g/dL ..

Soooo .. this either PROVES their drug is SOOOO .. much .. better ..
obviously .. OR .. someone is hiding bodies .. ?

Sooo .. since they are not promoting THIS fact ..  increased
survival .. then I would bet there ARE .. dead bodies around
somewhere.

Let's hope not .. because .. ? .. it was already known the outcome of
high hemoglobin in those with predialysis kidney disease .. and THAT
was .. ? .. death.

Soooo .. now .. I believe THESE guys for SURE knew the risks of ..
death .. and STILL continued IN their .. 'research' .. dubious ..
dubious .. 'research'.

"were randomly assigned to attain a target hemoglobin (Hb) level of
either
13 to 15 g/dL (130 to 150 g/L; group 1) or 10.5 to 11.5 g/dL (105 to
115 g/L; group 2)."

<<snip>>
Treatment with NeoRecormon is initiated when patients' haemoglobin
level is 11 g/dl or below and given to maintain a haemoglobin level of
up to 13g/dl.
<<snip>>

http://www.roche.com/med-cor-2007-01-10

Basel, 10 January 2007

NeoRecormon gains European approval for convenient once weekly
treatment of anaemia in patients with solid cancers

Roche announced today that it has received European marketing approval
for a simple and convenient once weekly subcutaneous injection of
NeoRecormon (epoetin beta) 30,000 IU for the treatment of anaemia in
patients with solid cancers receiving chemotherapy. This expansion of
the product label means that patients will no longer have the burden
of three injections per week and their anaemia can be managed in a
more convenient way.

Anaemia affects up to 95% of cancer patients receiving chemotherapy.1
It can develop as a result of the cancer itself or as a consequence of
its treatment. For most patients anaemia manifests itself as an
extreme and overwhelming fatigue that makes the impact of cancer even
more devastating.

NeoRecormon 30,000 IU once weekly is proven to effectively2 and
rapidly3,4 correct anaemia irrespective of the type of chemotherapy
patients receive. It also reduces the need for blood transfusions by
at least 50% compared to standard care5,6 and has been shown to
significantly increase the time until patients need a first
transfusion.7 Patients treated with NeoRecormon often experience an
improvement in their quality of life8 and an increase in their daily
energy levels.6,9

Key supportive data for the new label came from the BRAVE (BReast
cancer - Anaemia and the Value of Erythropoietin) study, which was
conducted in women with metastatic breast cancer receiving
chemotherapy5,7,10 and the NAUTICA study conducted in patients with a
wide range of cancer types also receiving chemotherapy.3

About NeoRecormon
NeoRecormon is prescribed for the treatment of symptomatic anaemia in
patients with cancer. Treating anaemia increases red blood cell
(haemoglobin) numbers and oxygen levels allowing the body to function
effectively, which improves patients' quality of life and reduces
morbidity.

NeoRecormon is one of Roche's leading biotechnology achievements and
market leader in the countries in which it is sold.

With the label expansion announced today NeoRecormon 30,000 IU once
weekly is now indicated for the treatment of symptomatic anaemia in
adult patients with solid and lymphoid cancers receiving any form of
chemotherapy. Treatment with NeoRecormon is initiated when patients'
haemoglobin level is 11 g/dl or below and given to maintain a
haemoglobin level of up to 13g/dl.

About Roche
Headquartered in Basel, Switzerland, Roche is one of the world's
leading research-focused healthcare groups in the fields of
pharmaceuticals and diagnostics. As a supplier of innovative products
and services for the early detection, prevention, diagnosis and
treatment of disease, the Group contributes on a broad range of fronts
to improving people's health and quality of life. Roche is a world
leader in diagnostics, the leading supplier of medicines for cancer
and transplantation and a market leader in virology. Roche employs
roughly 70,000 people in 150 countries and has R&D agreements and
strategic alliances with numerous partners, including majority
ownership interests in Genentech and Chugai. Additional information
about the Roche Group is available on the Internet (www.roche.com).

All trademarks used or mentioned in this release are protected by law.

References
1  Groopman & Itri. Natl Cancer Inst 1999;91:1616-34.
2  Leonard et al. Ann Oncol 2004; 15 (Suppl 3):iii 50 Abstract 188P.
3  Spaëth et al 2006; 17 (Suppl 9): ix294 Abstract 1020P.
4  Boogaerts et al. Anticancer Res. 2006; 26:479-484.
5  Marangolo et al. Eur J Cancer Suppl 2005; 3: 388 Abstract 1347.
6  Ordónez et al. Lung Cancer 2005; 49(Suppl 2): S339 Abstract P-836.
7  Aapro et al. 29th Annual San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium 2006;
Poster 6095.
8  Boogaerts et al. Br J Cancer 2003; 88: 988-995.
9  de Castro et al. Cancer Chemother Pharmacol 2006; Jul 28 (Epub
ahead of print).
10  Marangolo et al. Journal of Clinical Oncology 2005;23: 16S, Part I
of II: 8141.

NeoRecormon, an anti-anemia agent

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<ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Anyone care to guess WHY there were NO .. deaths .. ?
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guys@consolidated.net - 18 Aug 2007 05:51 GMT
>>> On Aug 17, 2:38 pm, "carwools" <carwo...@aol.com> wrote: no care <<
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><ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message

Thanks for this. One of the consequences of diabetes is Anemia.

Ow for mwe there is no alternative to usingsome drug.

They ask an arm and a leg for them.
any of us like new drugs that help us.
But is the cost besides money---  more probems??



>> PMID: 17261422 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Dave - 18 Aug 2007 07:04 GMT
OK.

I have been around since before Epogen.  This is a bunch of bluey.  
First off, any doctor that administers epogen past the recommended upper
limit of 12 Hemoglobin is commiting an act that is tantemount to
malpractice, and in the US, Medicare will not pay for Epogen once
Hemoglobin reaches 12.  What bothers me about this whole thing is that
this drug is a Miracle drug, and these studies pushing past the normally
used ranges is going to get the drug pulled from the market.  Before
there was Epo, a patient would have to get blood transfusions, sometimes
as often as twice a week.  Even with the blood transfusions, you could
barely walk across a room without having to sit and rest.  Used
properly, this drug is safe.  The quality of life improvement provided
by this drug is unbelievable.

The same thing is happening here as happened with Vioxx (?Spelling).  
The studies that got the medias panties in such a knot were performed on
patients who had existing heart problems when they began to take the
drug.  The studies did indeed show an increase in the risk of death in
those patients.  However, there was never any scientific proof that it
caused damage to the hearts of those without pre-existing heart disease.
In fact, there are signs that can be readily checked for that would
indicate that the drug should be stopped  The media, and then the FDA,
took a very narrow study  and extrapolated it to the general population,
which is just bad science.  I can see the same thing happening here, and
then there will be no point to even offering dialysis, as patients will
not be able to live, just exist.

Now there are reasons why the limits were set at 12 Hemoglobin.  For
dialysis patients, it has to do with access preservation.  Higher levels
have shown in studies to significantly increase the risk of blood clots
in the access.  In cancer patients, the problem has to do with the
chemotherapy drugs, which also can instigate a blood clot, which in this
case can cause strokes and/or heart attacks.  This is why these types of
drugs need to be used conservatively, with due diligence being done to
monitor the patient.

And No, I do not currently own any stock in either Amgen or J & J,
although I have owned both at one time or the other.

I am not saying these studies should be ignored, but there needs to be
further studies, especially in regards to those that are maintained
between 11-12 Hemoglobin, the normal range for a dialysis patient.  

Another example of what I am talking about is the fact that extremely
high use of the artificial sweetener saccharine has been shown to cause
cancer in rats.  The fact is, they were force feeding the rats amounts
that would be equal to a human eating fifty pounds (110 KG) of
saccharine a day for years.  I doubt if there has even been one patient
diagnosed with cancer that could be traced to use of artificial
sweeteners.  All I am saying here is that you have to look at the
details of studies, not the interpretation of the Media, which for all
intends and purposes, is scientifically illiterate.  They sensationalize
everything in order to sell more papers or more advertisements.

Well, I've vented enough on this subject for today.

Thanks,

Dave

>>> On Aug 17, 2:38 pm, "carwools" <carwo...@aol.com> wrote: no care <<
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>> 72 patients in the arm being treated to 13.5 g/dL and 56 patients in
>> the arm being treated to 11.3 g/dL

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/h...

>> The Anaemia CORrection in Diabetes (ACORD) study aims to investigate
>> the effects of early anaemia correction with subcutaneous NeoRecormon®
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