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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Beer (seriously, beer)
If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the Michelob Ultra Light for it's cat piss taste.. but, and this was a big surprise, since I always drank Heinekens (pre-diabetic) and only changed to the Mich because of the big difference in carbs - last night, having only one Mich in the house (I always have 2 when I grill), I ran up to the store to get another one before firing up the grill. I decided, what the hell, I'll have a little treat and get a Heinekens. During the course of the grilling (after finishing the Mich) I opened the Heinekens and took a big swig. Guess what.... yep, you got it. Anyway, if you've steered clear of the Mich (3 carbs) because of the taste, don't worry. In a few months you'll be drinking cat piss and lovin it. Still, please don't tell any of my macho friends that I drink it. John Can you not get any REAL beers ? Only Michelob, Heineken, Schlitz, Blatz, Flotz . ? You'd love Belgian beers ... "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... > If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on > Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John > Can you not get any REAL beers ? > Only Michelob, Heineken, Schlitz, Blatz, Flotz . ? > > You'd love Belgian beers ... .....carbs? I couldn't begin to count the number of beers we can get. John In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:01:35 +0200 in Msg.# <46c26c95$0$24313$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c> wrote: > Can you not get any REAL beers ? > Only Michelob, Heineken, Schlitz, Blatz, Flotz . ? > > You'd love Belgian beers ... I love some beers like that but the carbs in them are out the roof. So, drinking them is very special occasion for me. Have I mentioned that I finally found a light beer, that is actually low carb, that actually tastes like beer & is good?!! I'm so excited. 5 carbs. Corona Lite. I like it with lime. It's still a sometime thing, though, not a regular drink like water, tea or diet Pepsi. <G>  SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 ..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3 On Aug 14, 8:14 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote: > Have I mentioned that I finally found a light beer, that is actually low > carb, that actually tastes like beer & is good?!! I'm so excited. 5 carbs. > Corona Lite. I like it with lime. It's still a sometime thing, though, not a > regular drink like water, tea or diet Pepsi. <G> *sigh* If you have to put fruit in a beer to make it drinkable, its a bad beer! No fruit in beer! MANLAW! ;) Home brewer since 1999 Sean In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:10:55 -0700 in Msg.# <1187151055.251420.30480@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sean <spk_gbv@msn.com> wrote: > On Aug 14, 8:14 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ;) You don't have to put anything in it at all if you don't want to. <G> It really tastes like beer, not like ... Michelob Ultra, ... if you know what I mean. If you don't, then the low-carb beer taste test quest isn't somewhere you've gone yet, huh? <BG> SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream." - Frank Zappa, on a postcard from Rykodisc On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote: > In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:10:55 -0700 in Msg.# > <1187151055.251420.30...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sean [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I dunno. I used to like Corona (with a lime, of course..) but then I got spoiled on local microbrew in a keg--(Sierra Neveda Crystal Wheat) (or Butte Creek Organic Pilsner). Then one day the keg ran out, and we had to go on a beer run. We got a case of Corona. The lime really is needed. After the first two you don't mind the taste. But when you first taste it, no lime and slightly warm--it tastes like fishguts, or warm aquariuam water. I highly recommend chilling them to near freezing, if one is to drink them at all. I know, there's hell to pay with carbs and micobrews, but if you low carb it already, hey--enjoy your guilty pleasure. Andrew, T2 D&E, microbrew (on the weekends), nookie and low-carb A1c 5.5 (again) On Aug 14, 10:16 pm, hood...@yahoo.com wrote: > fishguts, or warm aquariuam water. I highly recommend chilling them > to near freezing, if one is to drink them at all. I know, there's > hell to pay with carbs and micobrews, but if you low carb it already, > hey--enjoy your guilty pleasure. Well there's the other part of it. The colder it is the quicker it desensitizes the taste buds. It's like Jaegermeister. The only way people drink it is just above freezing, because it tastes like crap otherwise. And in answer to Donna (saving virtual paper here ;) I've decided to apply the same advice I got on this group as to Ice Cream. I rarely ever drink beer anymore (last year it was because of the dialysis, now because of the diabetis) but on the rare occasion when I do decide to have one or two (max), I pick a very good flavorful micro or homebrew, and sacrifice other daily carbs in it's place. I'm still confused as to why beer isn't the perfect diabetic drink. So much information I've seen says that since alcohol may lower your BG you may need to consume a bit of carbs along with it. So beer, carbs and alcohol, seems like there might be some symbiotic balance there... Maybe? ;) Sean > On Aug 14, 10:16 pm, hood...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > carbs and alcohol, seems like there might be some symbiotic balance > there... Maybe? ;) Good point, Sean. And beer is made with whole grains....sorta kinda. :)When I do drink, beer is my beverage of choice. Some beer snobs will condescendingly criticize American light beers, but my response to their Uber beers is "I like to eat oatmeal, not drink it." Here's a good chart that tells calories, carbs, and other info about popular beers. Even the carb challenged should be able to handle some of these without too much worry. http://www.beer100.com/beercalories.htm And, oh yeah, drink responsibly! Kurt "From the land of skyblue waters" Them's ain't beers .. them's "Colonial copioes" ... Who is the idiot who started talk about beers ? Oh, I know ... it started with what to lace a babys bottle with ... - Beer, no longer just a breakfast drink ! "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> a écrit ... > Here's a good chart that tells calories, carbs, and other info about > popular beers. Even the carb challenged should be able to handle some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kurt Kurt wrote in message <1187157099.894310.319470@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>... >Kurt >"From the land of skyblue waters" Mmmmmm Hamm's, my favorite beer of all time. :-) Cheri > Kurt wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mmmmmm Hamm's, my favorite beer of all time. :-) Their commercial always reminded me of that comedy piece by Firesign Theater "Bear Whiz Beer." That's no downstream beer! But I suppose if you add soem tomoato juice to it then it would kill the taste. :) Kurt Kurt wrote in message <1187205430.094061.156760@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>... >> Kurt wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Kurt I haven't had tomato beers for quite some time now, but I do love them. I hope you're well Kurt. Cheri This is the chart on low carb beers that I have posted here before: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art14302.asp SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "The right time to eat is: for a rich man when he is hungry, for a poor man when he has something to eat." - Mexican Proverb In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:34:22 -0700 in Msg.# <1187156062.953187.241410@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, Sean <spk_gbv@msn.com> wrote: > And in answer to Donna (saving virtual paper here ;) I've decided > to apply the same advice I got on this group as to Ice Cream. I > rarely ever drink beer anymore (last year it was because of the > dialysis, now because of the diabetis) but on the rare occasion when I > do decide to have one or two (max), I pick a very good flavorful micro > or homebrew, and sacrifice other daily carbs in it's place. I hear ya. It's just not what I do. > I'm still confused as to why beer isn't the perfect diabetic drink. > So much information I've seen says that since alcohol may lower your > BG you may need to consume a bit of carbs along with it. So beer, > carbs and alcohol, seems like there might be some symbiotic balance > there... Maybe? ;) I don't find it confusing at all since beer is carby. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "On stage, I make love to 25,000 different people, then I go home alone." - Janis Joplin (1943-1970) Total FYI, I was trying to remember what the name is of the beer I really like, just for the sake of itself, standing alone, as a sheer pleasure, and only something I indulge in on very very special occasions. I can always remember sorta what the name might be. I know it's served in a glass that has a little elf like guy on it. So, I went to look & try to find it's name, for the heck of it. http://www.brickstorepub.com/bottledbeer.html And, it is (I think): d'Achoufe McChouffe scottish ale 11.2oz 8.5% $8.50 amber, malty, vanilla & brown sugar, gnomish SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "I do not want to arrive at the end of my life and then be asked what I made of it and have to answer: 'I acted.' I want to be able to say: 'I loved and I was mystified. It was a joy sometimes, and I knew grief. And, I would like to do it all again'" - Liv Ullmann, Quotations from Women On Life, Compiled by Rosalie Maggio, 1997 On Aug 14, 11:11 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote: > Total FYI, I was trying to remember what the name is of the beer I really > like, just for the sake of itself, standing alone, as a sheer pleasure, and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > to do it all again'" - Liv Ullmann, Quotations from Women On Life, Compiled > by Rosalie Maggio, 1997 That's what I'm talkin' about---If yer gonna be bad, go beefy. I got some tri-tip I'm gonna que up soon. I've been keepin it lite with chicken and red wine--time to get funky with the beef and brews. Andrew T2 D, E, B, T and N In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:29:51 -0700 in Msg.# <1187159391.829988.141150@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hoodyup@yahoo.com wrote: > > d'Achoufe McChouffe scottish ale > > 11.2oz 8.5% $8.50 > > amber, malty, vanilla & brown sugar, gnomish > > That's what I'm talkin' about---If yer gonna be bad, go beefy. LOL. That's the thing: If I'm gonna be bad, I'm not going to use that on beer. <G> SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "The wreckage of man's repeated attempts to control the universe is strewn along the sordid beaches of history." - Theatre graffiti in Ichan City, Jongleur, DUNE: HOUSE CORRINO, Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson [2001] > Total FYI, I was trying to remember what the name is of the beer I really > like, just for the sake of itself, standing alone, as a sheer pleasure, > and > only something I indulge in on very very special occasions. Well, when I have beer, I just say what the Hell and get what I like... Among my favorites, are Bass Ale, Guiness, Heinekin, Carlsburg, San Miguel, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, St. Pauli Girl, Beck's Dark, Beck's Light, Tücker, Tuborg, Turbo Dog, Tusker, and Mooshead. Serious beer drinkers say screw the carbs, full speed ahead.... Since diabetes, I have really slowed down on beer, though, and get serious every only once in a while. Will, T2 In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:17:17 GMT in Msg.# <1187180118_1445@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote: > Serious beer drinkers say screw the carbs, full speed ahead.... I'm not a serious beer drinker. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "There are obvious pressures of working in an environment where one isn't likely to survive even the smallest mistake." - Count Hasimir Fenring, The Rewards of Risk, written in exile, DUNE: HOUSE CORRINO, Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson [2001] >Serious beer drinkers say screw the carbs, full speed ahead.... Since >diabetes, I have really slowed down on beer, though, and get serious every >only once in a while. My German b-i-l is very serious about his beers; but not about his heart problems. I tend to reverse that philosophy; but I still have the occasional Guinness or a good bitter. Now, if we were discussing wines... Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >> Total FYI, I was trying to remember what the name is of the beer I really >> like, just for the sake of itself, standing alone, as a sheer pleasure, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >diabetes, I have really slowed down on beer, though, and get serious every >only once in a while. Sorry guys, I forgot Fosters.... an Aussie beer! It comes in an extra large can, though, which as a hardy party man, I used to always appreciate... Will, T2 "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ... >> And in answer to Donna (saving virtual paper here ;) I've decided >> to apply the same advice I got on this group as to Ice Cream. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I hear ya. It's just not what I do. Religious or financal reasons ? >> I'm still confused as to why beer isn't the perfect diabetic drink. >> So much information I've seen says that since alcohol may lower your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I don't find it confusing at all since beer is carby. So which would you prefer to do ... Eat a potato or drink a pint of beer ? I'm not sure there isn't something sacreligious about your post ... especialy as it attacks a weak beer ... ;))) In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:56:13 +0200 in Msg.# <46c2dbd1$0$24941$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net>, " Frank t2" <a@b.c> wrote: > "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> a écrit ... > > > > I hear ya. It's just not what I do. > > Religious or financal reasons ? Neither, dietary. > >> I'm still confused as to why beer isn't the perfect diabetic drink. > >> So much information I've seen says that since alcohol may lower your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Eat a potato or drink a pint of beer ? There's a local tavern where many friends congregate so we are drawn there, too, for that & for the ambience & food & drink. They have very good burgers. They have good salads. They have incredibly good potato rounds, which some would call cottage fries, etc. ... maybe other names. They have a wide variety of beers. They serve mixed drinks, as well. Their menu covers more foods than I have listed. Sometimes I go & have a beer & a salad, or a beer & a burger with a side salad where I don't eat most of the bun. But, what I usually get is a burger (where I don't eat most of the bun) and potato rounds. That's about the only way I eat potatoes any more, not a regular thing, just at times. I'd guess that answers your question. <G> > I'm not sure there isn't something sacreligious about your post ... > especialy as it attacks a weak beer ... ;))) You've lost me completely. SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "Those who are half-alive demand what is missing in them ... but deny it when it is presented to them. They fear the proof of their own insufficiency." - attributed to Saint Serena Butler, Apocrypha of the Jihad, DUNE: HOUSE CORRINO, Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson [2001] I'm with you there, Sean. The principal argument for a quality beer is as a reducer of blood pressure. Drink beer and you lower your blood pressure, so it HAS to be medicinal ... I just never understood why my doctor would not prescribe it for me. I supppose some doctors never get out enough to appreciate the world. "Sean" <spk_gbv@msn.com> a écrit ... > Well there's the other part of it. The colder it is the quicker it > desensitizes the taste buds. It's like Jaegermeister. The only way [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Sean > On Aug 14, 10:16 pm, hood...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Sean Beer always lowers my BG (I don't ever drink anything else), however, I also drink a low carb beer--Miller Lite. I was drinking it before I had BGs problems due to the lower calorie count. Always wondered why sometimes I felt like I was going to pass out when I wasn't really drunk. Now, my glucometer explains why! So I take the opportunity to indulge in a few chips--something I would never eat otherwise. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise It is alleged that Sean claimed: > And in answer to Donna (saving virtual paper here ;) I've decided > to apply the same advice I got on this group as to Ice Cream. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > carbs and alcohol, seems like there might be some symbiotic balance > there... Maybe? ;) The info I got on this, from the Diabetes Educator, is that it's not just the carbs in the beer, it's the alcohol and the liver. The liver helps regulates blood sugar. The liver also removes alcohol from the blood. But it cannot do both at the same time. So when drinking, it works on the alcohol, which lets the blood sugar climb. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "Down in Washington they're playing with Social Security like it's some kind of government program!" - George W. Bush on the NBC Nightly News Jeffrey Kaplan wrote in message ... >The info I got on this, from the Diabetes Educator, is that it's not >just the carbs in the beer, it's the alcohol and the liver. > >The liver helps regulates blood sugar. The liver also removes alcohol >from the blood. But it cannot do both at the same time. So when >drinking, it works on the alcohol, which lets the blood sugar climb. Your diabetes educator is misinformed on that. Alcohol usually lowers BG, it's usually the mixers, if they aren't sugar free, that cause a rise. Also, beer is rather carby, where the hard liquors like bourbon, scotch, vodka etc., aren't. This is not counting the flavored liqueurs of course. Cheri "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> a écrit ... > The info I got on this, from the Diabetes Educator, is that it's not > just the carbs in the beer, it's the alcohol and the liver. There's liver in Beer ? > The liver helps regulates blood sugar. The liver also removes alcohol > from the blood. But it cannot do both at the same time. So when > drinking, it works on the alcohol, which lets the blood sugar climb. Darned fool liver that can't do just a couple of things at the same time. Especially as beer makes you more intgelligent ! But you all knew that. >The info I got on this, from the Diabetes Educator, is that it's not >just the carbs in the beer, it's the alcohol and the liver. > >The liver helps regulates blood sugar. The liver also removes alcohol >from the blood. But it cannot do both at the same time. So when >drinking, it works on the alcohol, which lets the blood sugar climb. Your educator appears to need some education. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > The info I got on this, from the Diabetes Educator, is that it's not > just the carbs in the beer, it's the alcohol and the liver. > > The liver helps regulates blood sugar. The liver also removes alcohol > from the blood. But it cannot do both at the same time. So when > drinking, it works on the alcohol, which lets the blood sugar climb. It's the other way around. When the liver is busy dealing with alcohol, it is too busy to release glucose (which is it's fucntion in regulating bg). Therefore bg drops with alcohol consumption; the risk with overindulging is of having a hypoglycemic incident. Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ > On Aug 14, 10:16 pm, hood...@yahoo.com wrote: > > fishguts, or warm aquariuam water. I highly recommend chilling them [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sean If you are going to limit yourself to an occasional special beer and you used to home brew, try a good fermented Belgian style beer. A high quality small brewery with several lines that are available in quality stores across North America is Unibroue, in Quebec. My brother is a competitive home brewer, and has spent time with the brew masters there, as well as several similar breweries in Ontario. As far as I am concerned, my "new" kidney deserves to be pampered with only the best. ;-) I love their Maudite and Chambly beers, and besides, you are starting to talk about some serious brews that are made as well as any fine wine, and are just as enjoyable with a good meal. I can also buy them at almost any Brewers' Retail outlet (government beer store) in Ontario, which is very convenient. http://unibroue.com/ http://tinyurl.com/24mtsy Dennis (Type 2, Kidney Transplant 1995) In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:16:27 -0700 in Msg.# <1187154987.036373.222400@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hoodyup@yahoo.com wrote: > On Aug 14, 9:16 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > hell to pay with carbs and micobrews, but if you low carb it already, > hey--enjoy your guilty pleasure. I have other pleasures that are far more important to me than beer, though, you see. I prefer beer cold, as a general rule & wouldn't like anything lukewarm I don't think. And, I just don't agree with you about either fishguts or warm aquarium water. Want to review Michelob Ultra or any other low-carb beers? Because I find Corona Light with lime the best of the bunch, by far. However, if you're not interested in drinking low carb beers, I understand completely *that* you're not interested in what I posted about, which, hey, is entirely your choice, ya know? <G> SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "On stage, I make love to 25,000 different people, then I go home alone." - Janis Joplin (1943-1970) If you like lagers, you should try Amstel Light. I love the taste, and it's 5g/carb a bottle. In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:08:27 -0500 in Msg.# <46c2a780$0$7400$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>, "Bob Dobbs" <butterflavored@gmail.com> wrote: > If you like lagers, you should try Amstel Light. I love the taste, and it's > 5g/carb a bottle. Thanks for the recommendation. Maybe I'll try it. <G> SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "The more tightly packed the group, the greater the need for strict social ranks and orders." - Bene Gesserit Teaching, DUNE: HOUSE CORRINO, Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson [2001] It is alleged that hoodyup@yahoo.com claimed: > I dunno. I used to like Corona (with a lime, of course..) but then I > got spoiled on local microbrew in a keg--(Sierra Neveda Crystal Wheat) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fishguts, or warm aquariuam water. I highly recommend chilling them > to near freezing, if one is to drink them at all. I know, there's Proper beer does not have to be cold to be drinkable. Proper beer is perfectly drinkable, and better tasting, at "cellar temperature", approximately 55~65F. The only reason I refrigerate my beers is so I can keep them longer. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #78. I will not tell my Legions of Terror "And he must be taken alive!" The command will be "And try to take him alive if it is reasonably practical." Jeffrey Kaplan wrote in message ... >Proper beer does not have to be cold to be drinkable. Proper beer is >perfectly drinkable, and better tasting, at "cellar temperature", >approximately 55~65F. Proper beer, is beer that you like, at the temperature you prefer. :-) Cheri Now THERE'S an educated woman ! "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> a écrit ... > Jeffrey Kaplan wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheri In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:07:35 -0700 in Msg.# <ucGdndlAbeuGwV7bnZ2dnUVZ_sytnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Proper beer, is beer that you like, at the temperature you prefer. :-) Whoo Hoooo! [whistling, stamping feet] SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "One face to the world, another at home makes for misery." - Amy Vanderbilt (1908-1974) NEW COMPLETE BOOK OF ETIQUETTE [1963], Part VI, "Introduction" >Proper beer does not have to be cold to be drinkable. Proper beer is >perfectly drinkable, and better tasting, at "cellar temperature", >approximately 55~65F. > >The only reason I refrigerate my beers is so I can keep them longer. You've never been out my way, I take it? "Proper" beer, indeed. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on > Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John Out of curiosity, where do you get info on carbs in various beers? I always assumed that 'lite' beer was simply watered down - less carbs, less alcohol, less taste. I find that a 'regular' beer works fine for me. BTW - my criteria is usually "what's cheapest" - usually Molson. > > If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on > > Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > alcohol, less taste. I find that a 'regular' beer works fine for me. BTW - > my criteria is usually "what's cheapest" - usually Molson. I knew I could be useful in this group. Bill http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php SignatureS Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid lol ... And the site is named "realbeer" too ... oh my aching sides ... "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> > If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on >> > Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > -- Peanuts and beer: the perfect diabetic snack! Carbs, blood-sugar lowering alcohol, and protein !! *This message was not approved by the ADA.* --- I don't have a separate self. But I do have diabetes. T1 since 1995 > Peanuts and beer: the perfect diabetic snack! Carbs, blood-sugar > lowering alcohol, and protein !! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't have a separate self. But I do have diabetes. > T1 since 1995 A martini and some cheese works pretty well, too. ray wrote in message ... >A martini and some cheese works pretty well, too. But, I hate martinis. :-) Cheri > ray wrote in message ... >>A martini and some cheese works pretty well, too. > > But, I hate martinis. :-) > > Cheri I believe it is an 'acquired taste' ;) > ray wrote in message ... >>A martini and some cheese works pretty well, too. > > But, I hate martinis. :-) > > Cheri I have no clue as to how or when I started drinking martinis. I would think the taste would be nasty the time you try one but I don't remember my first one. I do love them before dinner though. John >> > If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on >> > Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php Thanks for that. Unfortunately, no Molson's, and no carbs on several other vaieties I often use, but it's enough to get a general picture any way. I appreciate that. > I knew I could be useful in this group. > >Bill > >http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php The "missing" carbs on some of that list indicate a lack of information, not a lack of carbs. If you use the rule-of-thumb of 10-15 gms per US12oz glass for full-strength beers and half that for light beers you will be fairly close. As to whether the alcohol will balance the carbs for BG's - only your meter can show that. Personally I suspect that equation will change as excessive drinking leads to an excess in both alcohol and carbs, so the effect after one beer could be very different to the effect after a drunken state is reached with alcohol messing up your system for several hours. Another source: US http://www.beer100.com/beercalories.htm Imports http://www.beer100.com/beercaloriesimports.htm Again, missing details don't indicate zero carbs. For UK readers, keep in mind that a British pint is 60% more than a US 12oz. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > > I knew I could be useful in this group. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The "missing" carbs on some of that list indicate a lack of > information, not a lack of carbs. DUH. Is This Guy Alan the local Guru? Bill SignatureS Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> > I knew I could be useful in this group. >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Is This Guy Alan the local Guru? Pretty much, Bill. Why, do you want us to change him ? > "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pretty much, Bill. Why, do you want us to change him ? If you want to be enslaved it is your choice. Bill SignatureS Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid >> "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Bill Wow. What did I do to upset you Bill? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>> "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >>> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, Try to keep it down to 2 syllables or less, Alan :-) John >> "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Ain't nobody around here 'enslaved'. But Alan is a square shooter and usually knows what he's talking about. He's a good guy. >> "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Enslaved by what..... knowledge? John > "William Wagner" <-----williamwag@gmail.com> a écrit ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pretty much, Bill. Why, do you want us to change him ? I would magine he's already potty trained. John > Is This Guy Alan the local Guru? HI Bill, Alan is a much loved and well respected long-time member of asd.... I would not say he is a guru, as such, but he really is an OK and very smart guy.... Before you jump in on individuals and personalities, you might want to simply take some time and observe the culture and relationships at work in this group. This is a very well-established group, with its own dynamics at work. If you have ever studied psychology in depth, or considered issues of organizational behavior, then you will get what I mean. Thanks for your link, by the way. It was interesting, although lacking in completeness.... Unfortunately for me, as a world traveller, many of my favorite beers are completely missing. Will, T2 In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:22:57 -0400 in Msg.# <-----williamwag-64F376.18225715082007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > I knew I could be useful in this group. > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is This Guy Alan the local Guru? Only this week. It's someone else's turn next week. SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 ..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3 "Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice." - Benedict de Spinoza (1632-1677) THEOLOGICAL-POLITICAL TREATISE [1670] >Only this week. It's someone else's turn next week. Yep. I've forgotten - is it you or Nicky next week? Or is it Frank's turn now? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. In all humility (as there is another Frank in here), I don't yet have my license to practise in here ... I think it's back to Nicky , then Alan, then Will ... "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ... >>Only this week. It's someone else's turn next week. > > Yep. I've forgotten - is it you or Nicky next week? Or is it > Frank's turn now? > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >> If you just have to drink a beer, occasionally (or ritually... say, on >> Monday nights), this might be helpful. I know I've been slamming the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > alcohol, less taste. I find that a 'regular' beer works fine for me. BTW - > my criteria is usually "what's cheapest" - usually Molson. Check back in this thread... the info site is in one of the posts. I saw Milwaukee's Best Light on the list as having few carbs... I'm with you on the cheapest, which would probably be the above, I think I'll try it next time I buy. The Mich is about 7 bucks. John >Anyway, if you've steered clear of the >Mich (3 carbs) because of the taste, don't worry. In a few months you'll be >drinking cat piss and lovin it. Still, please don't tell any of my macho >friends that I drink it. Know the feeling - I used to be a bitter drinker (proper British beer : ) - Cobra lite is the other one I drink now. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>Anyway, if you've steered clear of the >>Mich (3 carbs) because of the taste, don't worry. In a few months you'll [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > : ) - Cobra lite is the other one I drink now. > Nicky. When I worked in the Bahamas (about a year) I got hooked on Watneys Red Barrel Ale (a little cooler than room temp). When I got back to the states I couldn't drink American beer at all for a long time.... it was gross to me. John >When I worked in the Bahamas (about a year) I got hooked on Watneys Red >Barrel Ale (a little cooler than room temp). When I got back to the states I >couldn't drink American beer at all for a long time.... it was gross to me. Yeah - and just think, we only export the 2nd rate stuff :D Mind you, the nicest beers I have ever tasted, bar none, was at a microbrewery we stopped at by chance in north Florida one year. They did a taster tray of a dozen shot-sized glasses, then you could have a full glass of your favourite - all with a delicious meal, complementing it. It was after dx, I remember being reasonably pleased with the pp test result - but we stopped at the next motel, I was in no state to drive! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 |
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