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Kurt - 14 Aug 2007 22:19 GMT
http://tinyurl.com/yw7293

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SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian researchers Wednesday said they had
developed a world-first treatment which could save hundreds of
thousands of smokers and diabetics from undergoing leg amputations.

The procedure involves pumping blood at high pressure into limbs dying
of vascular disease to stimulate the growth of new blood vessels, the
researchers said, and has saved the leg of the first patient to be
treated.

"This is a significant advance for the 340,000 patients in the Western
world who lose a leg to surgical amputation every year due to
peripheral vascular disease," said inventor and vascular surgeon
Rodney Lane.
guys@consolidated.net - 15 Aug 2007 02:45 GMT
>http://tinyurl.com/yw7293
>
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>peripheral vascular disease," said inventor and vascular surgeon
>Rodney Lane.

This may be applicable to the normal cases where circulation is the
problem.  It is the most difficult to deal with.  The micro
circulation is where to leg gets as dark appearance.  Before there
used to the use of high pressure Oxygen but I rarely saw it used.

A case like mine was Osteomylitis (bone infection).   It
is a bacterial infection.  You have to be exposed to this pathogen
and poor circulation may be a factor.

Medical facilities are great places to be exposed.

The proper treatment of an foot or leg lesion is a proper thing to
do.
I think my entry point was a fungus lesion in my big toe.

Nearing ten years in a wheel chair make me think the prompt treatment
of any lower limb is good medicine.

Not all docs practice it.  Any questions--- get a second opinion
promptly.NOW.
Get rid of a doc that says a fungal infection is minor.  There
are effective drugs for this problem.
                                        Guy
Will, T2 - 15 Aug 2007 03:26 GMT
> A case like mine was Osteomylitis (bone infection).   It
> is a bacterial infection.  You have to be exposed to this pathogen
> and poor circulation may be a factor.

Hi Guy,

Also, a week or two ago, there was a series of posts about persistent drug
resistant staph infections that went to bone... and which led to amputations
and deaths....

These sorts of infections are on the upswing. Just ask Michelle C. of our
group.

Will, T2
guys@consolidated.net - 15 Aug 2007 04:03 GMT
>> A case like mine was Osteomylitis (bone infection).   It
>> is a bacterial infection.  You have to be exposed to this pathogen
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Will, this has been a problem for tens of years in many areas.  People
I know place,e a lot of it on poor conduct of medical personnel.

When I was young, when a person developed pneumonia  you
prepared for the funeral.  The Uncle I thought a was great died this
way in 1937.  I watched the weeks in an oxygen tent, on and on.

DR Fleming's discovery and WW2---   to prompt development really
changed things,   You should research the history.

Then it was found some reduction in the effectiveness of some drugs.

I saw a busiess report on a company that claims they have an item
that twart the transfer of resistance which happen fromr bacteria to
bacteria.   We will see.

I just was on an IV for two weeks to administer a new antibiotic
that cannot be used orally.   A young urologist found the bladder
infection that others had overlooked.

Using a catherer for two weeks is not nice.

I see others that could inform us about much more if
the groups went to the proper mode.
                                      Guy.  
Will, T2 - 15 Aug 2007 04:23 GMT
> When I was young, when a person developed pneumonia  you
> prepared for the funeral.

Pneumonia.... I do know about that, Guy. It is horrible, beyond belief. I
had something of a case of that for about six weeks, from mid May, until
after July 4.

I could hardly breathe....

Will, T2
Alan S - 15 Aug 2007 05:21 GMT
>I see others that could inform us about much more if
>the groups went to the proper mode.

What would that be?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Jackie Patti - 15 Aug 2007 05:29 GMT
> When I was young, when a person developed pneumonia  you
> prepared for the funeral.  The Uncle I thought a was great died this
> way in 1937.  I watched the weeks in an oxygen tent, on and on.

People who lived through those times are EXTREMELY strong, they must
have the most amazing immune systems.

My grandmother was born in 1902, so just turned 105 this month.  It
seems she is going to last forever.

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Kurt - 15 Aug 2007 04:28 GMT
On Aug 14, 6:45?pm, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:19:25 -0700, Kurt
>
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> Get rid of a doc that says a fungal infection is minor.  There
> are effective drugs for this problem.

Good advice, Guy.  I know that I am much more aware about that
possibility because of what you have posted in this newsgroup. Thanks
for sharing the details of your unfortunate ordeal and pointing to the
warning signs. It may well save others a lot of grief down the road.

Kurt
guys@consolidated.net - 15 Aug 2007 04:45 GMT
>On Aug 14, 6:45?pm, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
>>
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>
>Kurt
Thank ytou , Kurt for bringing this article to the
attention of the group.  I hAVE NOTED YO DO A GOOD JOB HERE.

Up to the finding of MHD in yhe mid90's thw lack of diabetic
info was sad.

I have avoid a number of experiences from the postng
of good data here.by people that take diabetes as a
serious disease.
hemyd - 15 Aug 2007 08:11 GMT
> On Aug 14, 6:45?pm, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
>>
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>
> Kurt

Since being diagnosed Type 2 in 1995, I have always had recurring fungal
infections on my feet. It is almost wholly thanks to Guy's writings that I
decided to tackle those infections very diligently. By daily application of
a miniscule of anti-fungal cream to both my feet, I now rarely get an
outbreak. The outbreaks may start off as small brown raised spots, but they
soon develop into ugly masses, and no doubt would become quite dangerous
sores.

Henry Mydlarz.
Will, T2 - 15 Aug 2007 13:27 GMT
I get something similar, Henry, except mine sometimes seem purplish... I
spray both feet each day, and that keeps the fungus away.

Will, T2
guys@consolidated.net - 15 Aug 2007 16:05 GMT
>I get something similar, Henry, except mine sometimes seem purplish... I
>spray both feet each day, and that keeps the fungus away.
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Will, the best way to identify fungus is a Woods Lamp.
A doc treating diabetes should have one.

It is a ultraviolet lamp and fungus in a wound will
glow a identifiable color.

I had small persisant wounds on my legs   The
woods lamp showed a glow around the edges
of the wound.  The proper use of a drug
like Sporonax  started a normal healing process.

These drugs are prescription and should be
controlled.

Unfortunately the limb loss process was well under way.

Today, my remain limb is almost normal.  It was the one
I was expected to lose.    The doc was obsessed with
microcirculatoion which was probably not an issue in
my case.  Diabetes--micro circulation.  One reason I
am so cynical.  I always say pick a GOOD doc.

MIcorcirculstion  is important and is what Kurt was coverng.
I ave no experience there except a misdiagnosis..

When the damage is done it is done.  

Quite a few here know what a wheel chair feels like.
Hurt feeling  I will take any day if I had a choice.

Thank you for  being here.
                             Guy
Alan S - 15 Aug 2007 22:44 GMT
>MIcorcirculstion  is important and is what Kurt was coverng.
>I ave no experience there except a misdiagnosis..

Kurt didn't cover anything; he posted a link.

The TV report here was very interesting and positive, with
interviews with patients who were thrilled at the response
and improvement. The treatment is very promising and looks
effective - but they agree that it is still in the early
stages of assessment.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Aug 2007 00:36 GMT
>>MIcorcirculstion  is important and is what Kurt was coverng.
>>I ave no experience there except a misdiagnosis..
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>d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

What is the difference. you love to dominate
too much.

A few years from now if your legs ache and feel tired
it may a micro circulation problem.  It is where the limbs
small blood vessels start to close. and the cells lose
their "food supply"  They start to die.

As of now there is no real remedy.

Watched a good friend lost a finger, then another and then finally
his legs   Then Chung's god showed him some mercy
and he died in his sleep.

Up to the end, he was building his mobility items,
Crawling around on his stubs and limited use of his
hands.

He was a T2 but there is no way to determine what role
it played

Some limb parts were very black.  Many surgery interventions,

This post/link is so important

Much more important that some cock mannie
diet which the stomach reduces to slop to be
absorbed in the intestine.

People with no real world experience tend to
nit pick or jump on Chung as entertainment
Not good traits.

Cheri - 16 Aug 2007 01:31 GMT
guys@consolidated.net wrote in message ...

>What is the difference. you love to dominate
> too much.

As they say in your part of the country, you're acting quite ugly guy.

>A few years from now if your legs ache and feel tired
>it may a micro circulation problem.  It is where the limbs
> small blood vessels start to close. and the cells lose
>their "food supply"  They start to die.

I'm sure most of us are aware of that.

>As of now there is no real remedy.

Heading it off before it happens with diet and excercise, and meds if
need be, goes a long way though.

>Watched a good friend lost a finger, then another and then finally
>his legs   Then Chung's god showed him some mercy
> and he died in his sleep.

Hopefully, we all die in our sleep after a long life.

>Up to the end, he was building his mobility items,
>Crawling around on his stubs and limited use of his
> hands.

That's very sad.

>He was a T2 but there is no way to determine what role
>it played

If it was before meters, and some common sense dietary guidelines that
we now know, we can pretty much guess it played a large role.

>Some limb parts were very black.  Many surgery interventions,

That had to be horrible for him.

>This post/link is so important

I agree the link is important.

>Much more important that some cock mannie
>diet which the stomach reduces to slop to be
>absorbed in the intestine.

Total disagreement there. The proper *cockamamie diet* would no doubt
have warded off some of the problems before they started. I don't
understand why you are so down on people controlling diabetes with
food plans that work, excercise, and meds if needed. Those things are
important too.

>People with no real world experience tend to
>nit pick or jump on Chung as entertainment
>Not good traits.

People with lots of real world experience tend to nit pick or jump on
Chung as well. Sometimes, when bad information is being given, they
can be very good traits.
There is lots of good information in this group, but you seem to be
the major nit picker these days. I can only conclude that you're not
feeling well, and just generally cranky. I hope you feel better soon.
Take care.

Cheri
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Aug 2007 05:09 GMT
>guys@consolidated.net wrote in message ...
>
>>What is the difference. you love to dominate
>> too much.
>
>As they say in your part of the country, you're acting quite ugly guy.

Thank you for being so nice to me.   Yes, I am being very nasty.

I think it as proper as those demand they be believed when
their info comes from????"

These groups were established with a very different goal.

As I look back, I see where the bull has harmed me so much.

If I want to gossip and show off I would pick the proper forum.

There is a time and place for everything.  There is no place here
for uninformed speculation.

Diabetes is range of diseases.  The best have a limited comprehension
of it.

I have went a long way to be nice here.  To play village idiot.
That is proper.

Today, I am very pissed.  a doc that has not done his job
HE finally accused me of not providing him with the proper samples and
improperly prepared samples.  It never occurred to him that was his
job and he was well paid to do what he failed to do.

It is enough to piss off a saint.

Some jhere demand we accept their plausible answers as
the truth.
Hey gang, you are dealing with the health of others.

Thanks again,  
Alan S - 16 Aug 2007 05:29 GMT
>Hey gang, you are dealing with the health of others.
>
>Thanks again,  

Good and important point. I am very aware that it applies to
me, and I take care to try to warn people that I am a
patient, not a doctor.

It also applies to you.

Alan, T2, Australia.
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Aug 2007 06:54 GMT
>>Hey gang, you are dealing with the health of others.
>>
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>
>Alan, T2, Australia.

Alan, many of used to iclude thefact inour posts.  I
am told I can be eld responsible for what I ost.

The sue brds.-------

Iusually use "my experiences am a bit vague on exact treatment.

Comcept are mostmportant to me.  "How does this work",

This "effect "  is no information unless there is a rational
explanation of the effect.

I have litte information but can point is some diredtion.

In the end we have to depend on the doc but need a GOOD one.
Wingmask - 16 Aug 2007 12:10 GMT
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:09:19 -0500, g...@consolidated.net
> wrote:
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>
> Alan, T2, Australia.

Me too?
Alan S - 16 Aug 2007 12:42 GMT
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:09:19 -0500, g...@consolidated.net
>> wrote:
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>
>Me too?

Yep.

Cheers, Alan
Cheri - 16 Aug 2007 15:20 GMT
guys@consolidated.net wrote in message

>Today, I am very pissed.  a doc that has not done his job
>HE finally accused me of not providing him with the proper samples and
>improperly prepared samples.  It never occurred to him that was his
>job and he was well paid to do what he failed to do.
>
>It is enough to piss off a saint.

I'm sorry to hear this Guy. I knew something was bothering you, and I
can very much see where this would "piss" you off. I hope you have a
better day today.

Cheri
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Aug 2007 17:03 GMT
>guys@consolidated.net wrote in message
>
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>
>Cheri
guys@consolidated.net - 16 Aug 2007 17:36 GMT
>guys@consolidated.net wrote in message
>
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>
>Cheri

I do appreciate you.   The point of these post are intended to offend
a few.   Yes pick you doc carefully.
To be honest with you, I do have incidents.  Just set calmly  for a
while.  I did mow one acre yesterday.  Today rain,a lot of rain

At of good people here. We do agree to disagree but we do
learn. The big decision  the carbs in the mouth or the garbage can.
Will, T2 - 16 Aug 2007 00:56 GMT
> Will, the best way to identify fungus is a Woods Lamp.
> A doc treating diabetes should have one.

Thanks for the info, Guy... I already know what it is, though, because it
has been diagnosed. I have been prescribed various antifungal lotions and
creams. Right now, for maintenance, a simple over the counter daily foot
spray seems to be working best. You may remember I once even tried vaginal
cream, at the suggestion of some of the very kind ladies of asd.

Will, T2
Gantlet - 15 Aug 2007 03:44 GMT
its nice to read things like this Kurt.

> http://tinyurl.com/yw7293
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> peripheral vascular disease," said inventor and vascular surgeon
> Rodney Lane.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Aug 2007 16:53 GMT
> http://tinyurl.com/yw7293

Interesting picture of an "overweight man" that they placed with the
article.

This is what happens when folks overeat (eat until stomach stretched
killing the hunger). Susan would diagnose Cushing's but it most likely
not.

Be hungry... be healthy.. be happy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Port@nospam.invalid - 15 Aug 2007 18:07 GMT
>involves pumping blood at high pressure into limbs dying
>of vascular disease to stimulate the growth of new blood vessels,

-shrug- Who'd a thunk it. And all this time I thought high blood
pressure was a bad thing. I wonder why it doesn't do the same for
upper body parts as well (heart vessels in particular).

Port
Frank t2 - 15 Aug 2007 20:21 GMT
I just need some new knees .. the ones I have are almost done.
My generalist said I have Osteonecrosis ... hips too

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> a écrit ...

> http://tinyurl.com/yw7293
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> peripheral vascular disease," said inventor and vascular surgeon
> Rodney Lane.
 
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