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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Diabetes as a Hobby
OK. I’m a diabetes hobbyist. Like most hobbies, the diabetes hobby requires knowledge, skill, strategies, tools, activities, practice, a social component, and a sense of identification. In the end, there is the satisfaction of achievement for the motivated hobbyist. I would rather have a hobby than a disease. > OK. I’m a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would rather have a hobby than a disease. Uncle Enrico, you think like me. Reearch of my conditions is what I mean by hobby. This is not my first hobby either. My first was infertility, my second was my orthopedic problems and now diabetes/obesity is my hobby. I now have 3 kids and am out of the wheel chair (was in one intermittently for several years), so my hobbies have paid off quite well for me. Now, I suspect I can get rid of the obesity through this new research hobby, but I am not sure the diabetes will go with it. KC > Uncle Enrico, you think like me. Reearch of my conditions is what I mean > by hobby. This is not my first hobby either. My first was infertility, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > KC KC, You can lose the obesity, but the diabetes will hang on. Some, in the early stages, can handle their diabetes with diet and exercise alone, with regular visits to a doctor, of course. Living life is one big hobby isn't it? Enjoy the hobbies. Uncle >> Uncle Enrico, you think like me. Reearch of my conditions is what I mean >> by hobby. This is not my first hobby either. My first was infertility, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Living life is one big hobby isn't it? Enjoy the hobbies. Living life can be a big hobby ... if you're lucky enough to have that attitude. cheers Paul > OK. I’m a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would rather have a hobby than a disease. My husband has accused me of diabetes being my hobby lately. Since I'm still a semi-invalid, pretty much all I do is read books about diabetes, go on web forums about diabetes and post about diabetes. Well, occassionally I watch a movie... which is generally NOT about diabetes. ;) I've been diabetic for nearly two decades, but insulins are new and I'm gobbling up all the info I can. Gives me something to do until I can get back into my poor weedy garden.  Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ >> OK. Im a diabetes hobbyist. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >gobbling up all the info I can. Gives me something to do until I can >get back into my poor weedy garden. I can assure anyone that diabetes is not a hobby with me. I wish to hell I had no need for these groups and had never heard of them. That is part of the problem here, some are here to have fun or just to be ON. I was around during the days of ham radio and some people relished the idea of being able to communicate. I always preferred the real world of personal socialization. Since the commercialization of diabetes with the insane low threshold so many have never been subject to the real diabetic problems.so they are here for fun. I suspect that diabetes will be the scandal of the medical world some time in the future. The poor understanding of the mechanism involved leads to so many junk theories. The selling of junk medications and associated eating theories. some not worth the paper or screen they appear on. The truth is we do NOT KNOW in so many cases. So any arrogance is plain stupid. These group must be available to all and ALL are not so great. now. If you are called diabetic, you have no choice but to treat the alleged problem. I was in this game when the changes were debated in a Dallas Meeting. Not all there had noble motives. Any group of people will survive if they have an average life span to allow breeding and nurturing. The body is a "determinate" critter and will decline and die. It might be more appropriate if we accepted our place the universe and lived bit along the way. instead we grab and wallow in a juvenile game of "upmanship" and "I am so intelligent" and the rest are dummies with questionable right to share this rock in the sky. All the hell this achieves is zilch. We drive ourselves into depression and insanity so often. FOR WHAT? Added. When I am up late at night I do a number of posts and later take a look and delete them. Takes my mnd off of thngs. When reread this one Idecided to post ts bit of my ramblings. You are stuck with it. I do uderstand RK's postings more than most. the later stages of diabetes is not preferred. It is not a game or a hobby.. Guy > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:36:59 -0500, Jackie Patti <jpatti@ccil.org> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > low threshold so many have never been subject to the > real diabetic problems.so they are here for fun. Yup, I see your point. My myocardial infarction, emergency angioplasty and coronary bypass weren't *real* diabetic problems. Neither is learning how to dose insulins. I'm a dilettante, I'm not *committed* to diabetes like you are. Many pardons. > I do uderstand RK's postings more than most. the later > stages of diabetes is not preferred. It is not a game > or a hobby.. I obviously can't know what you mean, being a newbie and all. I've only been diabetic for two decades after all. I'll come back and post some more in another couple decades. I have to admit, I hadn't realized I wasn't diabetic *enough* for this newsgroup untiil you explained it to me. Thanks for opening my eyes! Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:36:59 -0500, Jackie Patti <jpatti@ccil.org> > >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > I have to admit, I hadn't realized I wasn't diabetic *enough* for this > newsgroup untiil you explained it to me. Thanks for opening my eyes! You know what I personally find sickening? Type 1s who have a holier-than-thou attitude because they have type 1 and a bit of information. Who comes to mind? I'll let you figure that out. Frankly, I've had it easy. It only took 4 1/2 years to get a proper diagnosis, I've only been hospitalized for my diabetes four times in thirteen years, I've only wandered out of the house naked while in the throes of hypoglycemia once, I've only passed out in public a couple of times... How a poster chooses to view and deal with their diabetes is *their* business and *nobody* else's. Hobby, condition, illness, or death sentence, they still come here seeking support. Keep posting, Jackie, I like your style. Ornery indeed!! :-) Vicki >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:36:59 -0500, Jackie Patti <jpatti@ccil.org> > >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >I have to admit, I hadn't realized I wasn't diabetic *enough* for this >newsgroup untiil you explained it to me. Thanks for opening my eyes! The use of the word hobby is very offensive. Typically we see postings of this type from someone worrying abut a blood sugar of 120 and think they can make it a hobby I have lost eight acquantices in the past 12 montrhs to diabetes. Since the post did not reflect your state you are very welcome here. You will learn the people that are of use to you. I do not know much myself. Do not pretend to be any sort of expert but I try. Have to to stay alive. No one owns the group, but many express opinions. They are not endorsed by the "group". This group was setup by a fellow named JUde for support. It does have a charter.. Have you read the Faqs posted on misc.health diabetes biweeekly? > The use of the word hobby is very offensive. Typically we > see postings of this type from someone worrying > abut a blood sugar of 120 and think they can make it a hobby Before I became a semi-invalid, I gardened. Now, I study insulin instead - pretty much in all my free time, which is extensive since I can't work. I've been diabetic for two decades, but have only been on insulin for a few months. It's a learning experience and I have a zillion questions. And yes, it *is* a hobby for me in that it is what I spend almost *all* my free time doing and it's not got anything to do with either my work or my family. It's a rather obssessive hobby lately. > I have lost eight acquantices in the past 12 montrhs to diabetes. I'm very sorry. I have lost two to heart disease recently, which was very scary - both had heart attacks after I did. Talk about having the point driven home. > Since the post did not reflect your state you are very welcome here. My first post in this thread stated that I was a semi-invalid and had been diabetic for two decades; but I'll not nitpick, this *almost* sounds like an apology, after all. > You will learn the people that are of use to you. I do not > know much myself. Do not pretend to be any sort of > expert but I try. Have to to stay alive. I already did learn... I knew you played the role of crotchety old man on the group. I just didn't know you were going to do it to ME. As you can see, I can be a crotchety old lady back. > Have you read the Faqs posted on misc.health diabetes biweeekly? These: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/ - yes. And much else as well. I've been averaging 80-100 hours/week focused on diabetes the past 6-8 weeks or so, quite a few books from the regular library when my husband can get me there (he is on the road working) as well as sites and such. So maybe it's beyond a hobby, it's an obsession. I first got obsessed with diabetes when I was first diagnosed, which was a couple decades ago. I spent rather a lot of time in a medical library at that time as we didn't have the net-as-we-know-it-today. CAS Online was about all we had back then and that only got you abstracts, you still had to hit the library for the full articles. This time around, it has to do with dosing insulins, which was not a concern previously as I'm a T2 and just started on insulin a few months ago. Since I am no longer being a biochemist, I don't have access to a medical library, and I couldn't get to one anyways as I can't drive now. So this time around, I'm studying mostly online. Quite frankly, it gives me something to occupy my mind since my body can do little and I'm bored. When my mind is not occupied, it is too easy to go down the paths of thinking that lead to depression. I find I prefer having an intellectual hobby to indulging in despair. Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ >The use of the word hobby is very offensive. Guy, I rarely directly disagree with you - but that is rubbish. Not that you find it offensive, because you are entitled to feel any way you like. But to imply that it should be offensive to others. > Typically we >see postings of this type from someone worrying >abut a blood sugar of 120 and think they can make it a hobby Now THAT is a statement I find offensive; the implication that your diabetes is more serious than someone else's - therefore their opinion is less important. You have suffered the ravages of poorly controlled diabetes over decades and my heart goes out to you for the pain it has caused you and continues to cause you - but that does not mean that those who are fighting hard NOT to follow in your foot-steps have ideas or views that are less important than yours. >I have lost eight acquantices in the past 12 montrhs to diabetes. We all can list tragedies; you are not unique there. While we feel for them we have no wish to emulate them. In fact, the opposite. I learned some very sad lessons from some who have now departed. >Since the post did not reflect your state you are very welcome here. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > endorsed by the "group". This group was setup by a fellow >named JUde for support. It does have a charter.. Absolutely correct. It states: "This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with diabetes mellitus, their families and loved ones. Specifically, this group is not intended to duplicate the information in misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense medical advice about the disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group alt.food.diabetic, which discusses recipes for those with diabetes." So, which part of your post meets the charter? Which part of Uncle Enrico's post does not? >Have you read the Faqs posted on misc.health diabetes biweeekly? Yes, several times. How long since you did? (biweekly? more like monthly) Webster's defines "hobby" as a pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in especially for relaxation. While I take diabetes very seriously indeed, and my reasons for my involvement in usenet and other forums concerning diabetes are personal and complex, there is no doubt that some aspects of that could be termed a hobby. I would accept that as an accurate description without taking any offence at all. The only inaccuracy for me, as a retiree, may be that I have few other "regular occupations". Nor do you. Try offering a post occasionally with some positive support Guy, instead of the continual complaints that the group is not what it used to be. Of course it's not what it used to be - but neither are you and neither am I. That's life. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management Great resonse alan. Sadly if guys is a elderly gentlman with the many health issues he describes ..i tend to think it is effecting his posts as i see him have lucid and clear and cheerful days and other garbled or very angry. My mother suffered sever mood swings etc do to her diabetic reactions as she called them which meant a severe high or low for her. Of course a few times she got so bad i could tell she was having a hypo and would have to call a paramedic. I certainly know in the days before DX i was having very big mood swings and very irritable. Hopefully he will worry a little less about us silly people who are engaging our "hobbies" of tight control and make sure he is doing ok..i certainly hope he is fine and just a crabby person..lol KROM >>The use of the word hobby is very offensive. > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ > latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management Guy is acheivin exactly what he ntended to do. There are over 100,000 usenet groups for plain bullshit and entertaionment. And preachng. It is impoossible to be decent to self servcing people. Why are your talking third person? And why so angry sir? KROM > Guy is acheivin exactly what he ntended to do. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >Why are your talking third person? >And why so angry sir? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption >> =---- I do have a reason for this act. It may be stupid. but is my decision. Some become very self serving and casual. My mode make it a bit unpleasant to the thin skinned that want the group to serve only their interest. going to philosophical and "gloom and doom" usually works. The group would serve diabetics if it were a loose cooperative group. Not the type saying you offended me by saying carbs are made in China. I prefer those that ask why and say let us discuss it If they have the answers, they do not need to be here.. I do appreciate those that do their homework before they start trying to run things. A few buzz words does not cut it. A slick type of posting diverts us from the issues. I prefer to be clod that knows a little bit about a few things. I am wrong a lot, so are many others. Well if it makes ya happy... I tend to be of the more catching flys with honey type but if you feel as though you are acomplishing somthing great. Sadly though i think you could acomplish plenty speakin plainly and without all the anger..but that just me. It seems you are unhappy with how the groups going and feel we are beneath you which begs the point of what it is your hopeing for? Not to nit pick but you post one thread screaming about off topic posting then minutes later do the very same. You poo poo the tight control talk yet speak of the ravages you suffered and suffer and proclaim we all must take better control. You say this should be a DM only discussion group yet rant about sexaul diseas and your proclivity for fat women. Also theres a lot of anger when people ask you to explain your posting not because they are poking fun but truely dont get what you are saying do to missplelings etc which..trust me i KNOW miss spells..lol. But seriously i do worry that you are writting during highs or lows at times and it effects your posts..which is understandable. But hey i enjoy gabbin at ya so feel free to pick on me and call me self serving etc all ya like! :-) KROM >>Why are your talking third person? >>And why so angry sir? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >But hey i enjoy gabbin at ya so feel free to pick on me and call me self >serving etc all ya like! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption >> =---- Krom, I do apprciate you personally. I know you are an asset to the group. With bad eyes ad imited energy I do not not use good post standards. I have been in hotiwater over several sexual ssues. I am not a real believer in political or social correctness Believe it or ot--a fellow beat his wife, the cops were out because "She came to get a recipe from Mona bt he thought it was. see me. Actually he was high on something.. It is many years too late for me. Mona got a lecture on picking frends. If I posted on fat vs skinny with the truth I would be in hot water again. Fetish, I wish. It was tongue in cheek post. Unfortunately, some one needed to challege the advancing bull here. Some that do not belong here will huff and puff, then leave for more fertile grounds. They have a hard tme with the bluff. I am too old to listen and not thin skined, Just concerned about people. I am more a "part" of the group then an assest ..lol..i dont have much knowledge and i know am far too conversational for some but thats my style i guess. Im glad your just trying to get a rise out of people..heh. As far as posting properly..well ..were two peas in a pod there..i have been lectured on top posting etc so that doesnt bother me i was just worried is all. Now ya explained it its clearer to me..thanx! Keep being fiesty! KROM <guys@consolidated.net> wrote >>> =---- > Krom, I do apprciate you personally. I know you are an asset to the > group. With bad eyes ad imited energy I do not not use good post [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- krom wrote in message ... >I am more a "part" of the group then an assest ..lol..i dont have much >knowledge and i know am far too conversational for some but thats my style i >guess. >Im glad your just trying to get a rise out of people..heh. >As far as posting properly..well ..were two peas in a pod there..i have been >lectured on top posting etc so that doesnt bother me i was just worried is I think you're a great asset to the group and I think following your progress is really helpful to the group overall. I don't give a whole lot of advice either, since I am self managed without much doctor intervention, but one can always give a pat on the back, or join a conversation to take part in the group since we all are diabetics. We don't all have to be "either/or" to post here. There is great information as well as conversation here at all times IMO. As far as top posting, when I first came here, many people told me they didn't care one way or another, including the founder, and I don't care either. I do think top posting is easiest to follow, especially when people don't snip, but other groups want bottom posting, so I've been sort of getting used to bottom posting everywhere. It's still difficult to me. :-) Cheri > As far as top posting, when I first came here, many people told me > they didn't care one way or another, including the founder, and I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheri To parody Mae West, maybe we should be saying we don't care where you post, as long as you post ;-D Will, T2 "Come on up and type at me big boy" LOL KROM ' > To parody Mae West, maybe we should be saying we don't care where you > post, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- Thank you for the kind words! I know i irk a few who want this to be a more sci.med type group and quote facts and figures all day.. Not my thing..lol..im a conversationalist type and dont claim special knowledge etc but as you say im glad to cheer others succeses and comfort failures and just flap my gums if the mood strike me. I also find the better control i have the more cheerful i am so if we were talking face to face i would be laughing and smiling alot so i tend to express that as well when i write. :-) KROM > I think you're a great asset to the group and I think following your > progress is really helpful to the group overall. I don't give a whole [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cheri <guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message > I have been in hotiwater over several sexual ssues. I just wish I had a sexual issue. John ><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John I wish I had real sexual issues. I heard abot tis old diabdtic that tried with "viagra" Didn't make it. A noicde fuerasl. >><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > diabdtic that tried with "viagra" Didn't make it. > A noicde fuerasl. At least he died with a smile on his face. They probably had a hard time closing the coffin. John LOL...i said the same before i read this..almost had a water on the monitor moment... KROM >>><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John "A noicde fuerasl." A WHAT ? <guys@consolidated.net> a écrit ... >><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > diabdtic that tried with "viagra" Didn't make it. > A noicde fuerasl. > "A noicde fuerasl." > > A WHAT ? A nice funeral? >> "A noicde fuerasl." >> >> A WHAT ? > >A nice funeral? Aah! Nice? Wingmask attended? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>> "A noicde fuerasl." >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Aah! Nice? > Wingmask attended? lol nice* I read typoese KROM > "A noicde fuerasl." > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> diabdtic that tried with "viagra" Didn't make it. >> A noicde fuerasl. Yeah i dont think its worth the risk...well unless it is mae west in her prime...(see what i did there?)..hehe..then you would at least have a smile at the viewing.. KROM > I wish I had real sexual issues. I heard abot tis old > diabdtic that tried with "viagra" Didn't make it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- krom wrote in message ... >Yeah i dont think its worth the risk...well unless it is mae west in her >prime...(see what i did there?)..hehe..then you would at least have a smile >at the viewing.. I don't view dead bodies, now I think that's a really good thing. :-) Cheri On Aug 16, 1:39?am, g...@consolidated.net wrote: > The group would serve diabetics if it were a loose cooperative > group. Not the type saying you offended me by saying carbs are made > in China. I prefer those that ask why and say let us discuss it I believe that it's important to hear ALL views on diabetes. Not just what is the popular thought, or the majority approach. This place is filled with a diverse group of people and we are all different. Just because someone is a T1 or a T2 doesn't mean they are just like, or have the same needs as other T1's and T2's. It doesn't mean we have to agree with what we read from someone else, but it is important to be exposed to a differing view...even if it differs completely to what we believe. Since no one here is an expert or all knowing, the ideas discussed here are for the most part opinion based. > If they have the answers, they do not need to be here.. I don't mind someone who has an answer, or at least thinks they do, sharing with others. I've learned a thing or four from reading this newsgroup and that's why I stay. The danger lies in an opinion stated so emphatically that it comes off as fact. > I do appreciate those that do their homework before they > start trying to run things. A few buzz words does not cut it. > > A slick type of posting diverts us from the issues. I prefer to be > clod that knows a little bit about a few things. I am wrong a lot, > so are many others. The old saying of "A little knowlege can be dangerous" is especially true when it comes to health and medical care. I have grown up with many armchair physicians in my family who thought they didn't need doctors to tell them anything. Some paid the price for that thinking. For me, I am willing to admit that I don't know everything about diabetes. But I am trying to learn as much about it as I can and specifically as much as I can about MY diabetes. By doing that I have the best shot at staying around a long time and avoiding, or delaying, the terrible complications that go with this disease. Guy, I have noticed even more recently than in the past that a number of people are giving you a hard time when you post your opinion. I'm sorry to see that. You have been very consistant with your attitude, opinions, and ideas. With you I always know what I'm getting when I open up one of your posts. I suggest those who are offended by what you have to say to just skip over your posts. For me, I intend to read them because your experience with diabetes goes back many years and I get something from it. Most of all, I appreciate your opinions because they are predicated on the admission that you do not have all the answers. Kurt > I don't mind someone who has an answer, or at least thinks they do, > sharing with others. I've learned a thing or four from reading this > newsgroup and that's why I stay. The danger lies in an opinion stated > so emphatically that it comes off as fact. I'm curious if you're married. Cause my husband says stuff like this even when I explain to him that MY opinions are right. ;) > For me, I am willing to admit that I don't know everything about > diabetes. But I am trying to learn as much about it as I can and > specifically as much as I can about MY diabetes. By doing that I have > the best shot at staying around a long time and avoiding, or delaying, > the terrible complications that go with this disease. Absolutely, totally agree. Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ > > I don't mind someone who has an answer, or at least thinks they do, > > sharing with others. I've learned a thing or four from reading this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm curious if you're married. Cause my husband says stuff like this > even when I explain to him that MY opinions are right. ;) I was married to a wonderful woman once, but I am now single. Your husband sounds like a very intelligent man. :) Kurt >>> I don't mind someone who has an answer, or at least thinks they do, >>> sharing with others. I've learned a thing or four from reading this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was married to a wonderful woman once, but I am now single. Your > husband sounds like a very intelligent man. :) He is very bright, which has many advantages, but does interfere with him being as trainable as I might like. ;) Signaturehttp://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ > > I don't mind someone who has an answer, or at least thinks they do, > > sharing with others. I've learned a thing or four from reading this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm curious if you're married. Cause my husband says stuff like this > even when I explain to him that MY opinions are right. ;) If a man is alone in the forest and there is no one around to hear him speak, is he still wrong? -- The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet. It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control. Bottom line: It remains wise to be peanut-free. The Peanut-Free Approach is completely free and comes with free internet support plus an unprecedented kazillion-dollar guarantee. May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally. Be on Lizard-Spit... be Peanut-free... be blessed: Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16] Prayerfully in Lizard-Spit's awesome love, Gene Goldman http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/ T2 Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspartame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin Unlike quacks pushing snake oil and fad diets, please consult a competent medical professional before following medical advice from the internet. Consuming copious amounts of Aspartame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon! Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day! Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2007. All rights reserved. In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:21:07 -0700 in Msg.# <1187324467.889138.53920@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote: > Guy, I have noticed even more recently than in the past that a number > of people are giving you a hard time when you post your opinion. I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > because they are predicated on the admission that you do not have all > the answers. You might notice that people do not have issues with one type of post that guy makes & do with another type. When guy shares his knowledge as someone who has been dealing with the disease, with the medical establishment, from the past up through now, as someone who has both gained from US medicine & had some harm done despite 'do no harm', ... you don't find people having issues with that type of post. The thing is that no one can know what they're getting when they open one of guy's posts. It might be one like what I described above. But, then again, it might be one of the others! SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "I can't believe you would've trusted the Shadows when they said they were on your side. They just wanted you to waste your resources fighting each other." - Capt. Sheridan, B5 "Interludes & Examinations" I dont know about others but i am/was honestly concerned about him as his post's seemed very angry and maybe it was just me but i didnt get many of them and when asked for a clarifcation got a equally cryptic response. He told me thats his style and feels it is effective to get his point across and weather or not i agree doesnt matter as thats his right to post as he see's fit. Had i problem with him id have plonked him as lifes to short...but i enjoy talkin to him..even when i dont get his points..i care enough to ask his meaning. <shrug> I dont attack anyone..i may poke fun at the nutter doc but thats cause i feel he has'nt prayed enough for me and im feeling left out..lol KROM > Guy, I have noticed even more recently than in the past that a number > of people are giving you a hard time when you post your opinion. I'm [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kurt krom wrote in message ...speaking of Guy >I dont know about others but i am/was honestly concerned about him as his >post's seemed very angry and maybe it was just me but i didnt get many of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and weather or not i agree doesnt matter as thats his right to post as he >see's fit. It is his style, always has been, and many times there is a lot of wisdom and humor in his posts. Everyone should post as they see fit, and be willing to "own" their posts and the differing opinions that come from them IMO. :-) Cheri > Everyone should post as they see fit, >and be willing to "own" their posts and the differing opinions that >come from them IMO. :-) Willingness to "own what one posts" is key, I think, for it makes all the difference in the way others assess the credibility and ethics of the poster... Will, T2 In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:21:57 -0500 in Msg.# > I dont know about others but i am/was honestly concerned about him as his > post's seemed very angry and maybe it was just me but i didnt get many of > them and when asked for a clarifcation got a equally cryptic response. And, that is exactly where numerous of us have been before, yes, honestly concerned, yes, the POV you are describing, etc. with exactly the same observable stuff going on, and reaching out to him & getting the same 'stuff' back, if anything. > I dont attack anyone.. He's not being attacked! LOL SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel "The universe is run by the complex interweaving of 3 elements: energy, matter & enlightened self interest. Unless you comprehend that fact & soon, you will be cornered & caged. They will destroy you." - Ambassador G'Kar of the Narn Regime, B5 It is interesting to hear different people's ideas of how to cope with the disease. I have only met two other Type 1s in real life. I know I definitely used to think of it as a competition between myself and diabetes. But then I realized that that is just dividing myself up. I am diabetes as well as a human with diabetes; I am my immune system which attacked my beta cells, which are also me. When my blood sugar isn't too high and I am in a good or neutral mood, I try to think of it as a gift: I am constantly presented with an opportunity to meditate upon death, suffering, sickness, and impermanence. I also know how deeply mind and body are intertwined. On this note of being aware of impermanence, here's a posting from Buddha-Direct, a google group (seems rather applicable): Experiencing Danger removes false Complacency of Lasting Safety! The Blessed Buddha once said: What, Ananda, is the experience of Danger? Here the Bhikkhu considers thus: Truly, this body is prone to sickness, full of countless painful Dangers. Many kinds of suffering arise in this body, such as: Diseases of eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, head, mouth, tooth-ache, pneumonia, asthma, colds, angina, fever, belly ache, fainting, diarrhoea, kidney failure, cholera, leprosy, arthritis, psoriasis, tuberculosis, epilepsy, anaemia, scabies, ring-worm, psychosis, bilious jaundice, diabetes, strokes & palsy, cancer, piles, boils, fistulas, diseases brought about by cold, heat, starvation, disturbed or failing excretion, disharmonic living, climatic changes, environmental pollution, accidents, social unrest, stress or violence or due to kamma! Thus does he live while regularly experiencing the inherent Danger of having a physical body. This is the experience of Danger. The experience of Danger is one of the 18 principal insights. The rewards are: 1: Realistic sensation of acute urgency. 2: Disables risky reliance on what is neither safe nor lasting. 3: Complete cure of the naive intoxication of youth, beauty, and success. Keep up the innaresting discussion ! -Andal T1 since 1995 Kurt wrote in message <1187324467.889138.53920@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>... >Guy, I have noticed even more recently than in the past that a number >of people are giving you a hard time when you post your opinion. I'm >sorry to see that. You have been very consistant with your attitude, >opinions, and ideas. With you I always know what I'm getting when I I don't think that's true at all. It's been pretty consistent through the years. He generates controversy on purpose, and sometimes he gets answered and sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean that people don't genuinely care for him, and his health struggles, because they do. We all catch a "hard time" here and there, well...maybe not you. LOL Cheri >I don't think that's true at all. It's been pretty consistent through >the years. He generates controversy on purpose, and sometimes he gets >answered and sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean that people don't >genuinely care for him, and his health struggles, because they do. We >all catch a "hard time" here and there, well...maybe not you. LOL I think that is a fair and accurate assessment, Cheri... Will, T2 convicted neighbor Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote: > Guy is acheivin exactly what he ntended to do. > > There are over 100,000 usenet groups for plain bullshit and > entertaionment. And preachng. > > It is impoossible to be decent to self servcing people. "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26) Amen. Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- On Aug 14, 1:23 am, g...@consolidated.net wrote: > I can assure anyone that diabetes is not a hobby with me. That is, of course, your choice. You can choose to deal with it as a hobby (which I really like and agree with), you can (and seem towant to) deal with it as a disease, even to the point of playing victim and lamenting "Oh woe is me". It's all up to you. Isn't free will interesting? > I wish to hell I had no need for these groups and had never heard of > them. If a usenet newsgroup bothers you, unsubscribe from it. Again, it is your CHOICE to participate here. You can choose not to do so. > That is part of the problem here, some are here to have fun or just to > be ON. And some are here to sell their snake-oil "cures", and some are here to find or share information, and some are here to gain from association with others who share their hobby, and some are here just to whine and complain. Your post indicates why you are here. > I was around during the days of ham radio and some people relished the > idea of being able to communicate. I always preferred the real world > of personal socialization. Again, your choice. For your information, ham radio is still here and active. Those "days" you refer to are going on right now, all around you. But you knew that, didn't you? > Since the commercialization of diabetes with the insane > low threshold so many have never been subject to the > real diabetic problems.so they are here for fun. Some are. What is wrong with having fun with a hobby? > I suspect that diabetes will be the scandal of the medical > world some time in the future. "Scandal"? How is that going to work? Do you predict that someone will discover that labs falsified test results and meter manufacturers conspired to make us think we have this hobby, when really we don't? > The poor understanding of the mechanism involved > leads to so many junk theories. The selling of junk > medications and associated eating theories. > some not worth the paper or screen they appear on. And some save lives. That's why it helps to be educated about your hobby. That's why it helps to have a health-care team to assist you with your hobby needs. > The truth is we do NOT KNOW in so many cases. So > any arrogance is plain stupid. Including the arrogance you display above and below? > These group must be available to all and ALL are not so great. > now. It IS available to anyone who wants to participate in it. Who do you arrogantly assume is prevented from participating? > If you are called diabetic, you have no choice but to treat > the alleged problem. Arrogant (or ignorant, your choice) nonsense! Everyone who has this hobby has the choices I mention above, AND the choice NOT to deal with it at all. I know a couple of people who have, sadly, made that choice. > I was in this game when the changes were > debated in a Dallas Meeting. Not all there had noble > motives. > > Any group of people will survive if they have an average life span to > allow breeding and nurturing. And wherever you go, there you are. Doncha just LOVE non-sequitors? > The body is a "determinate" critter > and will decline and die. It might be more appropriate if we accepted > our place the universe and lived bit along the way. "If"? What do you mean "if" we accept our place in the universe? Do you believe you deny who you are? Why do you fight reality? > instead we grab and wallow in a juvenile game of "upmanship" and > "I am so intelligent" and the rest are dummies with questionable right > to share this rock in the sky. All the hell this achieves is zilch. Who do you mean by "we" here? You think that because you have *chosen* to take some approach or adopt some philosophy, that means everyone else does the same? And you think others are "arrogant"? > We drive ourselves into depression and insanity so often. > FOR WHAT? Obviously you (and whoever else you include in your "we") do it because you have the freedom to CHOOSE to do so. > Added. When I am up late at night I do a number of posts and later > take a look and delete them. Takes my mnd off of thngs. > When reread this one Idecided to post ts bit of my ramblings. > You are stuck with it. Not at all. I can delete it whenever I am finished being amused by it. That's MY choice. See how it works? When I close my eyes, you dissapear. > I do uderstand RK's postings more than most. Really? And how do you claim to know how much "most" understands the post? > the later > stages of diabetes is not preferred. It is not a game > or a hobby.. For you, obviously not. For the emotionally healthy, it can be. For some of us, it is. -- The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet. It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control. Bottom line: It remains wise to be peanut-free. The Peanut-Free Approach is completely free and comes with free internet support plus an unprecedented kazillion-dollar guarantee: May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally. Be on Lizard-Spit... be Peanut-free... be blessed: Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16] Prayerfully in Lizard-Spit's awesome love, Gene Goldman http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/ T2 Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspartame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin Unlike quacks pushing snake oil and fad diets, please consult a competent medical professional before following medical advice from the internet. Consuming copious amounts of Aspartame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon! Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day! Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2007. All rights reserved. On Aug 14, 1:23 am, g...@consolidated.net wrote: > >> OK. I'm a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Guy, everyone has to cope as best they can. If Uncle Enrico finds it easier to cope by categorizing his necessary interest in diabetes as a hobby, then more power to him. And I don't know anyone who inhabits this newsgroup only for the fun of it. Issues with BG, whether it be full blown diabetes or prediabetes that one is trying to keep from worsening, are what brought us all here. If we can have a few jokes, discussions about music, etc., to lighten the mood, then I'm all for it. Best regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise > I can assure anyone that diabetes is not a hobby with me. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I was around during the days of ham radio and some people relished the > idea of being able to communicate. Uncle Enrico's intent in expressing "diabetes as a hobby" to describe health maintenance as an activity that can be enjoyable as well as life-saving is obvious. Surely, someone who is experiencing the ravages of serious damage from diabetes can appreciate, even encourage, any attitude or approach a person may adopt that will make it easier for them to continue a, sometimes, hard to follow personal regimen in order to, hopefully, prevent complications of their own. I, also, was around during the days of amateur radio and one of the first things I learned was to "think before I opened my mouth" or my dx's would be short and few - that is, figure out what the subject is before you hop on it. If you didn't, you belonged on 11 meters. John KC4YXO > My husband has accused me of diabetes being my hobby lately. I think there are a lot of us hobbyists here! Uncle > OK. I’m a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would rather have a hobby than a disease. Isn't that the case! And an identity as well. I mean, it imposes a lifestyle on you, takes away choice, simplifies your life. It's like being a strict, observant Jew or Moslem or something. "I can't eat that. Sorry, I'm a little apart; I can't do like everyone else, I'm required to pay more attention to myself." Of course it's also an evil monkey riding you, kicking you in the ribs and killing you but ... :) > Isn't that the case! And an identity as well. I mean, it imposes > a lifestyle on you, takes away choice, simplifies your life. It's > like being a strict, observant Jew or Moslem or something. > "I can't eat that. Sorry, I'm a little apart; I can't do like > everyone else, I'm required to pay more attention to myself." That's another interesting parallel I hadn't considered--religious observances--food restrictions and stopping several times a day to practice one's devotion. :) > OK. I'm a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would rather have a hobby than a disease. Would rather that for you as well: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >OK. I’m a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I would rather have a hobby than a disease. We are very alike in that respect. See my response to Guy. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management Uncle, I like your positive attitude about the treating diabetes as a hobby rather than a disease. Since it is something that we have to deal with every day, we need to find positive ways of thinking about it. I no longer have a condition, I dont call it a disease, but now I have a hobby that keeps me very busy thanks for your view on the matter Loretta > OK. I'm a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would rather have a hobby than a disease. On _The Simpsons_, Ned Flanders describes his son Rod's hobbies as being quiet on trips, clapping along with songs, and diabetes! Tim. > On _The Simpsons_, Ned Flanders describes his son Rod's hobbies as > being quiet on trips, clapping along with songs, and diabetes! > > Tim. Thanks, Tim. Didn't know Rod was both an orphan and a diabetic! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Flanders Uncle Enrico <uncle@nospam.com> wrote in part: >OK. Im a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I would rather have a hobby than a disease. Great attitude. Good post. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA : OK. I?m a diabetes hobbyist. : Like most hobbies, the diabetes hobby requires knowledge, skill, : strategies, tools, activities, practice, a social component, and a sense : of identification. In the end, there is the satisfaction of achievement : for the motivated hobbyist. : I would rather have a hobby than a disease. For me it is a competition between me and the diabetes. that is my attitude toward cooking and eating. I find ways to have what I like without the exces carbs and thus win over the diabetes!! Wendy For me, it is an opportunity to be creative in nutrition. I am striving hard to eat less ... MUCH less. I have smaller plates, eat smaller portions of different types of things to "interest my palate". I started by collecting recipes from other's sites, before realising that that was silly - I should be using the creativity of these recipes to make my own, according to what is available near me, according to my tastes and according to how my body reacts to the various foods. I am still learning, so I can't expect to contribute much in the way of real guidance to others. Plus, I'm going to have a baby in December ... Yes, lost definitely, "Diabetes is my life hobby" "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> a écrit ... > : OK. I?m a diabetes hobbyist. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Wendy Me too frank! I enjoy finding ways to creat the dishes i loved pre dx and new ones i never thought of. Maybe thats a hobby..but it makes life alot better. The baby will be your consuming passion soon so get those quick easy tasty recipes ready now so you can cook the family good meals. KROM > For me, it is an opportunity to be creative in nutrition. > I am striving hard to eat less ... MUCH less. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Wendy > For me, it is an opportunity to be creative in nutrition. > I am striving hard to eat less ... MUCH less. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yes, lost definitely, "Diabetes is my life hobby" You may someday make it your hobby again. I put diabetes on hold as a hobby when I first got it because I had more pressing hobbies, namely getting over my infertility, then parenting my children, and overcoming my orthopedic issues. But, now that I have those under control, at long last Diabetes is my hobby. KC but it IS my hobby ! "KC" <nomail@forme.com> a écrit ... >> For me, it is an opportunity to be creative in nutrition. >> I am striving hard to eat less ... MUCH less. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > KC Right! Look how many are told they will never walk again or beat cancer etc and do so because they didnt just give in to it and fight on. Cant win or succeed if we dont try. KROM > For me it is a competition between me and the diabetes. that is my > attitude toward cooking and eating. I find ways to have what I like > without the exces carbs and thus win over the diabetes!! > > Wendy i have been wanting to ad to this thread for a while now. so before I get Up Up and Away from my computer I posted what is below a few years ago. "I look at my diabetes as a hobby and in the long run for me this works best. I am slowly changing myself to become healthier. simple changes so far. taking the stairs when ever possible instead of the elevator. walking to the store a few blocks away instead of the one on the corner. things like that. " Full post Below. > I appreciate the Glycemic Index. It is a very valuable tool. >A read about 1/2 of "The New Glucose > Revolution: The Authoritative Guide to The Glcemic Index" book. I think > it is a little too much for me to digest right now. I have no comment about the book. but the above is just about the smartest thing I have heard someone say in a long time. I think nutrition is too much to digest right now or anytime. Now, Now I am not saying do not learn, just dont expect to learn all there is to know right off the bat. To be honest I wouldnt believe anyone that told me they know all there is to know about nutrition. I like to think my life absorbed diabetes rather than diabetes aborbing my life. I look at my diabetes as a hobby and in the long run for me this works best. I am slowly changing myself to become healthier. simple changes so far. taking the stairs when ever possible instead of the elevator. walking to the store a few blocks away instead of the one on the corner. things like that. >My takeaway, for > now, from the book is try to eat more whole grain starch. when I have the will power I prefer to use whole grain rye crackers instead of whole wheat. I do eat anything I want just not in the amounts I want or should i say used to want. I eat alot yes but I dont do it in 1 sitting. a few fast examples of what i do and what I think. lets say I have fruit and some whole grain rye crackers.\ if i eat another piece of fuit lets say about 1 hour after eating the fruit and crackers - i would be afraid of the 2nd serving of fruit turning to sugar at the same time the crackers are. If i was hungry I would go with something whole grain like the whole grain rye crackers. If i could wait 2 - 2 1/2 hours I would go with the fruit. > White Rice lets face it to me brown rice sucks. white rice taste nice :). I do eat both but with white rice its harder for me to stop eating when i should cause it taste so damn good. brown rice sucks and frankly after about 1/3 a cup ( about what I should have as part of my meal) I certainly dont want more. so when ever possible i go back and think about food as nothing more than nutrition and fuel. there are so many things to concider when even thinking about a days meal plan but at this point for me it comes some what naturally. and I hardly think about diabetes unless I am looking something up or posting. > and Potatoes are bad. for me sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. no food for me is off limits unless I am unable to stop eating it when I should. 15 carbs from a potatoe is no problem for me. now now lets say if i wanted to be a little extra careful I would look up the gylcmic load and index on potatoes and see what is the best way to cook them :). I am not a believer in increasing the fat intake to slow up the foods turning to sugar. but I have used that at parties. you can affect the gycemic loads and index according to how you cook them and for how long. you like rice so one thing you can do is look up how to cook rice to make it the most healthy for diabetics. it also might pay to try different types. I believe someone mentioned balsimic rice, I have not looked that one up because I can not find it. >When I understand more about carb counting, I can > refine it more by adding in the Glycemic Index. try looking up 1 food at a time. start with the foods you eat most often. I am a 40 year old type 2 diabetic ( 2 years January 29th lol if I remember right ) I am no longer on medications and have been in the 5% club (A1C) for all but the 3 first months. I wish you don't take anything I said as advice as to what YOU should do. I would never even allow myself to be treated by a doctor on the internet. the only advice I will give you is work with a dietitian to get a good start. and don't forget the follow up visits you will be recommended to take. basically nutritional needs change from day to day - let alone month or year after year. I use diabetes to give me motivation to be healthier. Tom-- Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp See the Empire State Building Pose with my VTX http://www.gantlet.000k2.com/ |
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