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Frisbee® - 14 Aug 2007 02:21 GMT Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I probably have less than a half-dozen strips left, but I should be getting another 50 in the mail any day now, which is supposed to last me 90 days.
Breakfast today: nothing - one cup of coffee with maybe 2 carbs of creamer
Lunch at 12:00 Firehouse Subs Chef Salad (ham) with honey mustard dressing. I have no idea what the carbs were.
First test at 3:04 PM: 97
Ate a small Fuji apple at 4:00 and tested again at 5:10 PM: 115 (not bad)
Tested again at 7:48 PM right before eating dinner: 87 (which ties my all-time low two other times)
Dinner Zaxby's grilled chicken house salad with two packs (11 carbs each) honey french dressing. Also went ahead and at the two half-slices of toast that came with it. Finally, at one slice of low-carb butter (margarine) bread that I had made for one of my sons who decided he didn't want to eat it. (I hate wasting food).
Tested just a short while ago at 9:05 PM: 118
So now I know at least how I react to certain foods. I don't know how you're supposed to figure these things out when they tell you to test THREE TIMES A WEEK. My diabetes nurse had me on a schedule log to test once a day at three specific times, and all three were before eating. Naturally, nearly every check was pretty low - 87 to 120 or so. It was quite misleading, making me think I was doing fine. None of the scheduled times were after meals. Once I started testing after meals I was in for quite a shock. Now I definitely get the purpose for testing both before and after. At least I now know that if I eat this same menu tomorrow, I could do so probably without testing, because I have a pretty danged good idea what my BG's will be. I was really expecting all my socres today to be higher, and I'm glad they weren't. But, I'm still hungry, and I've been hungry all day, and I really want to pig out right now.
The next time I see my primary care doctor, I intend to really sell her on the idea of getting me a lot more strips, at least for 90 days, so that I can start testing myself four or maybe even more times a day so that I can really get a handle on this thing. It's not like I'd need to test four times a day way down the road. I think it would benefit ANY newly diagnosed Type II to be enouraged to test as often as they are willing to try, at least initially.
If that doesn't work, I'll tell her I have compromising pictures of her with a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. Just checking to see if you're still reading.
johnniemccoy@ - 14 Aug 2007 02:34 GMT > Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to > test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > with a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. > Just checking to see if you're still reading. Three times a week may give you some indication as to whether, or not, you have diabetes. Isn't that nice?
John
Frisbee® - 14 Aug 2007 02:46 GMT >> If that doesn't work, I'll tell her I have compromising pictures of her >> with a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. >> Just checking to see if you're still reading. >> > Three times a week may give you some indication as to whether, or not, you > have diabetes. Isn't that nice? Heh, you are wingmask and I claim my two-fifty! (there's at least one poster in here who'll get that reference).
Wingmask - 14 Aug 2007 03:02 GMT On Aug 13, 9:46 pm, "Frisbee?" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> If that doesn't work, I'll tell her I have compromising pictures of her > >> with a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Heh, you are wingmask and I claim my two-fifty! (there's at least one poster > in here who'll get that reference). Everyone wants to be like Wingmask. My views are what everyone else believes but won't put them into print. It is always politically correct to call me a troll.
Frisbee® - 14 Aug 2007 03:14 GMT On Aug 13, 9:46 pm, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > poster > in here who'll get that reference). Everyone wants to be like Wingmask. My views are what everyone else believes but won't put them into print. It is always politically correct to call me a troll.
Yabbut you're such a lovable troll.
BTW, either your e-mail addy is fake, or my fan-mail went to your spam bucket.
Wingmask - 14 Aug 2007 03:19 GMT On Aug 13, 10:14 pm, "Frisbee?" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 9:46 pm, "Frisbee?" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Don't know when you sent it, but I just looked. I get a lot of junk email and delete lots by the bundle. My primary business account is a gmail account, my yahoo email account is legit. Resend it.
Måck©® - 15 Aug 2007 13:11 GMT >Everyone wants to be like Wingmask. smoke a little less crack.
Wingmask - 15 Aug 2007 22:46 GMT On Aug 15, 8:11 am, M?ck?? <tro...@renotworthsaving.net> wrote:
> >Everyone wants to be like Wingmask. > > smoke a little less crack. Especially you troll.
Alan S - 14 Aug 2007 03:55 GMT >Isn't that nice? > >Heh, you are wingmask and I claim my two-fifty! (there's at least one poster >in here who'll get that reference). :-)) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Måck©® - 14 Aug 2007 02:40 GMT >Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to >test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I >probably have less than a half-dozen strips left, but I should be getting >another 50 in the mail any day now, which is supposed to last me 90 days. have you checked out Walmart's prices? they are very inexpensive.
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Frisbee® - 14 Aug 2007 02:44 GMT >>Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to >>test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I >>probably have less than a half-dozen strips left, but I should be getting >>another 50 in the mail any day now, which is supposed to last me 90 days. > > have you checked out Walmart's prices? they are very inexpensive. While I appreciate the comment, I'm literally living paycheck to paycheck. Even fifty cents per strip is way more than I can afford. If I hadn't stumbled onto getting VA benefits (thanks to my boss' suggestion) I wouldn't even know I had diabetes right now. I've been without health insurance for over three years.
I may wind up having to buy some, but I may have to take a chance or two on some ebay deals or something. I'd have to get the price way down before I could even consider it. My family's gotta eat, even if I can't.
Hopefully, I can put on the Shrek puss-in-boots sad eyes for my Doc and she'll give in and prescribe them for me. I think she'll like my a1c number in a few days (I think) I go back for more bloodwork.
Wingmask - 14 Aug 2007 02:59 GMT On Aug 13, 9:40 pm, M?ck?? <tro...@renotworthsaving.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:21:03 -0400, "Frisbee?" > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . Wal Mart is just as expensive on name brand strips as everyone else. In fact I checked, they were more expensive than a few places.
Alan S - 14 Aug 2007 02:56 GMT >Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to >test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. Just >checking to see if you're still reading. Forgive me if this appears repetitive, it's something I wrote a while back and also posted to my blog for others in your position:
Testing on a Budget http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html
I'm very lucky to be in a country where diabetics in the past have successfully lobbied for specific support within the government health system to assist good diabetes control. I'm eternally grateful for the pioneers who created Australian medicare and the NDSS (http://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/ndss/).
However, I'm daily reminded that others overseas are not so fortunate. Consequently, some have difficulty following the full "test, test, test" (http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm)regimen as Jennifer suggests because of strip cost.
For them, I suggest a "one strip a day" method. This works more slowly than following Jennifer's advice completely - but it can still work. When I say "one strip a day" I'm not counting the FBG or other tests the doctor wants - discuss with the doc if you can cut back there. In hard economic circumstances I can't see that doing FBG every second or even third day is going to be a problem for the doc - but check to be sure. Let's face it, the "average" type 2 out there is testing FBG maybe once per week, doing absolutely nothing with the result, and wondering why their A1c goes up every 3-6 months.
This other daily test strip is purely to let YOU know what's happening when you eat.
First, it will take a few extra BG tests for two or three days to discover when your peak timing is (http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/when-to-test-one-hour-or-two-hour.html). Once you know that for each meal, you can focus on that timing. Some reckon you also need to test before meals to see what the rise was; in these circumstances I would see the pre-meal test as a waste of a strip. Just concentrate on the absolute peak level. Target one meal per week. Most of us have problems with breakfast, so I'd recommend starting there.
Test at the peak spike time, just for breakfast, until you have modified your breakfast to the point where the spikes are acceptable to you. I use Jennifer's guidelines, which are similar to the AACE (http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/12/hi-all-one-of-things-that-becomes.html), but check with your doctor if in doubt. Concentrate on that meal for one week, by that time you should have something workable. I've given some alternative breakfast ideas here http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/breakfasts.html, but think outside the square and find what works for you. There is no law that decrees cereal, juice, milk or toast before noon. I just finished a kransky sausage with one dry-fried egg before typing this (it's 7:40am here:-) That will be followed with black, cinnamon-infused coffee.
Then concentrate on Lunch for week two, Dinner for week three and so on. Then repeat over the next three weeks. Over time you will find a range of foods that are OK - and a range of foods that aren't - and slowly build a safe menu base.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Frisbee® - 14 Aug 2007 03:15 GMT >>Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to >>test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > range of foods that aren't - and slowly build a safe menu > base. I may not always reply to your posts, Alan, but I wanted you to know that I always value your input.
Jackie Patti - 14 Aug 2007 03:40 GMT > Testing on a Budget > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html Alan, this is very clever!
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Alan S - 14 Aug 2007 13:21 GMT >> Testing on a Budget >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html > >Alan, this is very clever! Thanks:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
rk - 14 Aug 2007 20:20 GMT | > Testing on a Budget | > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html | | Alan, this is very clever! that has been posted several times over the years by others, many times before Alan arrived.
johnniemccoy@ - 14 Aug 2007 22:37 GMT > | > Testing on a Budget > | > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that has been posted several times over the years by others, > many times before Alan arrived. So there!
Wingmask - 14 Aug 2007 22:53 GMT > | > Testing on a Budget > | >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that has been posted several times over the years by others, > many times before Alan arrived. How insensitive. Be kind to your fellow diabetic people. You are a very fine diabetic. You see, everyone and everything are fine now.
johnniemccoy@ - 14 Aug 2007 23:12 GMT >> | > Testing on a Budget >> | >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > very fine diabetic. > You see, everyone and everything are fine now. ..... you got laid, right?
John
Wingmask - 14 Aug 2007 23:15 GMT On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Jackie Patti" <jpa...@ccil.org> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No, I just want to be the nicest diabetic ever.
Jackie Patti - 14 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT > that has been posted several times over the years by others, > many times before Alan arrived. It was new to me.
I always just spring for the cheapest, crappiest strips. ;)
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Alan S - 15 Aug 2007 01:24 GMT >| > Testing on a Budget >| > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that has been posted several times over the years by others, >many times before Alan arrived. Thanks for the kind words Reisa. Do you have a link to one of those prior occasions?
Nah, forget it. You must be right, I must have just missed them. Thoughtless of me.
Alan, T2, Australia.
Frank t2 - 15 Aug 2007 04:05 GMT "Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa ..."
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> >>| > Testing on a Budget [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Alan, T2, Australia. Måck©® - 15 Aug 2007 13:13 GMT >| > Testing on a Budget >| > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that has been posted several times over the years by others, >many times before Alan arrived. please quote it then.
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Witchy Way - 18 Aug 2007 23:43 GMT hang in there frisbee. national health care will be ours when the next administration comes. in.
Nicky - 14 Aug 2007 08:17 GMT >So now I know at least how I react to certain foods. I don't know how >you're supposed to figure these things out when they tell you to test THREE >TIMES A WEEK. My diabetes nurse had me on a schedule log to test once a day >at three specific times, and all three were before eating. You're not. Those tests are for the convenience of your nurse, and will handily measure your decline. The only tests you can use for getting control are pp ones.
Given your circumstances, I think I'd pick one meal a week and splurge your 3 tests on one pre-meal and a 1 and 2-hour pp. It'll take you a while to get your personal db built up, but you'll get there eventually.
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Loretta Eisenberg - 14 Aug 2007 21:43 GMT Bill, you have just proved the efficacy of tresting at the right times. I hope your endo gives you more scripts. Why wouldnt she. Does she get the money you dont spend on them. She works for you and she should do what you need her to do for you.
Loretta
ray - 15 Aug 2007 15:58 GMT > Which is a new record. I figure screw it, I'm only given enough strips to > test three times a week, and today I tested four times in one day. I [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > a gigolo and threaten to show her husband. Okay, I'm just kidding. Just > checking to see if you're still reading. IMHO - it would be in everyone's best long term interests if the insurance company would cover unlimited testing for the first ninety days. You can't gain control until you figure out what's going on, and you can't figure out what's going on with one or two tests per day - let alone per week. On the basis of treatment I've received at the VA I've tentatively concluded that their basic idea is to get everyone on insulin as soon as possible. They they only have one regimen to deal with.
Nicholson - 18 Aug 2007 14:36 GMT "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I'm only given enough strips to test three times a week, and today I > tested four times in one day. I probably have less than a half-dozen > strips left, but I should be getting another 50 in the mail any day > now, which is supposed to last me 90 days. write me, off group .. at noshohcin1REMOVE@hotmail.com of course, Remove the REMOVE
No I don't have a puppy to sell,, but I might have some freebies that need a new home.
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