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guys@consolidated.net - 13 Aug 2007 12:53 GMT
Addiction is a very poor word. It implies that the person cannot solve
a problem.   In so many cases that is proven to be untrue.

We condition ourselves to avoid self restraint and our rich
society allows the use of this excuse.

I watched a late teenager that made a lotof  the excuses but
she met a fellow ahe wanted very badly.  Almost immediately
she started to trim weight and ended up very trim for at least
the next 20 years.

Oh yes, she got her fellow.

Mother nature is indifferent toward us.  We are dropped here
in a "As is" mode.   We can gve up or we can set standard for our
selves.   We have a lot of potential control over our self image.

Part of our world of people will show no mercy.  Our busnesses
are there to sell. Tat is no secret.

It is damn time we face the world or it will "eat us up.

A human will bypass indulgence but many lower animals
use no contreol. Grab it.  Decide what you are.

All the gimmacks and buzz words will not change a thing.

You do that yourself.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Aug 2007 12:58 GMT
convicted neighbor Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:

> Addiction is a very poor word. It implies that the person cannot solve
> a problem.   In so many cases that is proven to be untrue.
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>
> You do that yourself.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e5f3878cfd2f86ba?

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
TC - 14 Aug 2007 20:14 GMT
On Aug 13, 6:58 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

The only good thing about your posts, is that the rest of us can thank
God, (and I mean the real God, not your f.cked up version God), that
we were not born with your level of stupidity.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Aug 2007 20:31 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> God, (and I mean the real God, not your f.cked up version God), that
> we were not born with your level of stupidity.

Your behavior simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Proof

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
KC - 13 Aug 2007 18:56 GMT
> Addiction is a very poor word. It implies that the person cannot solve
> a problem.   In so many cases that is proven to be untrue.
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> A human will bypass indulgence but many lower animals
> use no contreol. Grab it.  Decide what you are.

I already know I am an animal, and know I am driven by my biology just like
animals are.  I have no intention of doing white knuckle control to prove I
am a higher being than other animals.  I instead try to use my brain to
solve the problem, so I do not need to ruin the quality of my life by using
white knuckle control of myself and can have a more comfortable control of
my eating.  Using my brain to make things better for myself seems like much
better proof of being a "higher animal" than deciding to go against my
nature with a white knuckle method.

KC
Chris Malcolm - 13 Aug 2007 20:04 GMT
>> A human will bypass indulgence but many lower animals
>> use no contreol. Grab it.  Decide what you are.

> I already know I am an animal, and know I am driven by my biology just like
> animals are.  I have no intention of doing white knuckle control to prove I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> better proof of being a "higher animal" than deciding to go against my
> nature with a white knuckle method.

I'm reminded of a nice cartoon in the caveman and his dog series. The
man and his dog find their path blocked by a huge boulder.  The man
studies it thoughtfully.  He reasons that with his advanced
intelligence he has many options available to deal with this
problematic obstacle. He could fashion some rope with which to climb
over it. He could use a long pole to vault over it. He could tunnel
under it. He could use fire and water to crack it onto pieces. As he
ponders these alternative solutions to the problem the dog, which has
walked round the boulder and sat down on the other side, wonders
"What problem?" :-)

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KC - 13 Aug 2007 21:52 GMT
>>> A human will bypass indulgence but many lower animals
>>> use no contreol. Grab it.  Decide what you are.
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> walked round the boulder and sat down on the other side, wonders
> "What problem?" :-)

I am sure I would just walk past my obesity if I could :-)

KC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Aug 2007 22:03 GMT
> >>> A human will bypass indulgence but many lower animals
> >>> use no contreol. Grab it.  Decide what you are.
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>
> I am sure I would just walk past my obesity if I could :-)

It is simple to eat less, down to the optimal amount to cure the
obesity.

It is the world's great lie about hunger that makes it difficult to
eat less because one will become hungrier (healthier).

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Aug 2007 21:42 GMT
> > Addiction is a very poor word. It implies that the person cannot solve
> > a problem.   In so many cases that is proven to be untrue.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> I already know I am an animal, and know I am driven by my biology just like
> animals are.

Actually, the irrational compulsion to overeat is absent in non-human
working animals.

Guide dogs for the blind are able to choose to ignore food no matter
how hungry they are when there is work to be done so that it is not
time to eat.  Moreover, when they choose to eat, they know that
overeating (eating until their stomachs are stretched thereby killing
their hunger) impairs their ability to work so they choose to stop
eating before they kill their hunger.

Similarly, other working animals are the same.

It is the human working animals that has the irrational compulsion to
eat in both at inappropriate times and excessively.

This truly comes from the world's great lie about hunger being bad
that has become deeply rooted in our hearts:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

May reading the following help you overcome this great lie so that you
will at least be convinced in your mind (while waiting for your heart
to become convinced) that hunger is wonderful:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/5428.html?thread=36660#t36660

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
guys@consolidated.net - 13 Aug 2007 22:32 GMT
Andrew you probably never lived on a farm.   Let a horse loose in a
green cornfield and watch it eat and die.  Many other examples.

We see so many gimmicks and excuses here to allow OVEREATING.

More need the opportunity to go to areas were there is not enough
food.   A few in the US.  We are doing a better job, starting near the
end of WW2

Today it is mostly where  caretakers  select between lottery
tickets and food.  Some old people need to select between food
and medicine.

The US is very rich nation but not for all.   Some of that "ALL"are
not a sorry lot.

My contention , right or wrong, is that we substitute fads for
good basic common sense. and decency.

Low carb is some of the story and makes semi control easier to
achieve   But it is not a total answer.

If I were to eat ground up bricks, it would do the same thing.

Balanced diet is called balanced for a reason.

The quantity stupid.

:-(  bad day

>> I already know I am an animal, and know I am driven by my biology just like
>> animals are.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>It is the human working animals that has the irrational compulsion to
>eat in both at inappropriate times and excessively.

This truly comes from the world's great lie about hunger being bad
>that has become deeply rooted in our hearts:
>
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>
>Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Aug 2007 23:47 GMT
convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kathy Claytor wrote:
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> >
> >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

> Andrew you probably never lived on a farm.   Let a horse loose in a
> green cornfield and watch it eat and die.  Many other examples.

These would be non-working animals.

> We see so many gimmicks and excuses here to allow OVEREATING.

Folks who are overeating (eating until stomach stretched killing the
hunger) are not aware of what they are doing nor are they aware of the
harm they are bringing upon themselves in the form of VAT
accumulation.

> More need the opportunity to go to areas were there is not enough
> food.   A few in the US.  We are doing a better job, starting near the
> end of WW2
>
> Today it is mostly where  caretakers  select between lottery
> tickets and food.

Such is the behavior of those who lack of wisdom.

> Some old people need to select between food and medicine.

Folks who choose to eat less, down to the optimal amount, becoming
healthier (hungrier) thereby losing their VAT typically find that they
save doubly by cutting both their grocery bills and pharmacy bills in
half.  Not only do they no longer suffer from the illusion of having
to choose between food and medicine, they find themselves with a cash
surplus.

> The US is very rich nation but not for all.   Some of that "ALL"are
> not a sorry lot.
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>
> The quantity stupid.

The excess quantity (overeating) is the reason for the VAT, which is
causing the IR/MetS that precedes the development of type-2 diabetes.

> :-(  bad day

Sad to read that you are having a bad day.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Cheri - 14 Aug 2007 00:50 GMT
guys@consolidated.net wrote in message ...

>We see so many gimmicks and excuses here to allow OVEREATING.

What excuses are here for overeating? None that I've seen, and
certainly not "so many."

>More need the opportunity to go to areas were there is not enough
>food.   A few in the US.  We are doing a better job, starting near the
>end of WW2

Show me one place in the US where there isn't enough food. Whether
people avail themselves of the food and the food programs is another
thing altogether.

>Today it is mostly where  caretakers  select between lottery
>tickets and food.  Some old people need to select between food
>and medicine.

I don't believe that caretakers are *mostly* selecting lottery tickets
over food, but some of those old people are buying lottery tickets
too. I know this because I saw a big winner not that long ago, and he
was old. He was buying rounds of drinks at the bar he has frequented
for years.

>The US is very rich nation but not for all.   Some of that "ALL"are
>not a sorry lot.

And many of them are.

>My contention , right or wrong, is that we substitute fads for
>good basic common sense. and decency.

Low carb has what to do with common sense and decency?

>Low carb is some of the story and makes semi control easier to
>achieve   But it is not a total answer.

*Your* understanding of it is certainly not the total answer.

>If I were to eat ground up bricks, it would do the same thing.

No, you would die, after sh.tting a brick (sorry couldn't resist)

>Balanced diet is called balanced for a reason.

Low carb diets done right are very balanced, bricks aren't. Do you see
the difference?

>The quantity stupid.

Not for you to say. We are responsible for our own choices.

>:-(  bad day

Sorry about that.

Cheri
Ozgirl - 14 Aug 2007 01:00 GMT
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in

>>If I were to eat ground up bricks, it would do the same thing.
>
> No, you would die, after sh.tting a brick (sorry couldn't resist)

Lol

>>Balanced diet is called balanced for a reason.
>
> Low carb diets done right are very balanced, bricks aren't. Do you see
> the difference?

A lot can't see how one can have this elusive "balanced" diet by moderating
the amount and type of carbs they eat. That is very sad because the answer
for many people is at their fingertips. Balance does not mean this food,
that food etc. It means this nutrient and that nutrient. People who are
forced to have canned nutrient through through a naso gastric tube are not
missing out. My SIL's mother is a classic example. She has lived like that
for 9 years after radiation for throat cancer destroyed her ability to eat.
Apart fromthat she is as healthy and active as thenext person.

I think a lot of people believe a balanced diet is a serve of starch, a
serve of protein and a some vegetables. They couldn't be more wrong.

>>The quantity stupid.
>
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>
> Sorry about that.

I eat huge amounts of food but I don't over-eat. Over eating is when the
calories in don't balance with the calories out. There are a few balancing
acts we have to do but like anything, they become second nature. I don't
even think about carbs anymore. I know what I can put on my plate and in
what quantity that won't cause a blip on my bg radar..
 
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