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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Anyone take Collagen Supplements ?
i read some research where it said that diabetics produce only 50% of the collagen (a protein forming the skin and connective tissue) that normal people do and so i decided to look at supplements because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare anyone one know if collagen supplements help out ? mancman > i read some research where it said that diabetics produce only 50% of the > collagen (a protein forming the skin and connective tissue) that normal > people do > > and so i decided to look at supplements Collagen is protein. That means when you eat it, your digestive system will break it down into amino acids. Then, your body will absorb the amino acids and make new proteins. So, getting enough protein will help make sure your body can make more collagen. However, if you have kidney disease, you may need to limit the amount of protein you take. So basically, except getting the right amount of protein, you can't do much about the amount of collagen you make. I wish had better news. Jeff > because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & > bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare > > anyone one know if collagen supplements help out ? > > mancman > However, if you have kidney disease, you may need to limit the amount of > protein you take. This is dogma, not science. In fact, a recent report of an end stage renal patient found improvement when switched to a high protein diet. Glucose damages kidneys, not protein. Susan > > However, if you have kidney disease, you may need to limit the amount of > > protein you take. > > This is dogma, not science. Incorrect: http://tinyurl.com/3ycmze > In fact, a recent report of an end stage renal patient found improvement > when switched to a high protein diet. End stage renal patients typically are receiving hemodialysis where it no longer matters because there are no longer functioning kidneys to save with a low protein diet. > Glucose damages kidneys, not protein. Actually, glucose in normal physiological concentrations does not damage kidneys. Amino acids in excessively high concentrations because of a high protein diet does increase glomerular filtration rate, which can overtax kidneys that are failing for any number of other reasons (ie diabetes, hypertension, glomerulopathies, et cetera). Be healthy... be hungry... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >In fact, a recent report of an end stage renal patient found improvement >when switched to a high protein diet. Reference? >Glucose damages kidneys, not protein. > >Susan Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management "mancman" <someone@micro1.com> wrote in part: >i read some research where it said that diabetics produce only 50% of the >collagen (a protein forming the skin and connective tissue) that normal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & >bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare Collagen is what scars are made of. If you scar excessively, particularly if the scar is raised or extends beyond the original injury, you may be producing too much collagen. I imagine you are having problems with wounds healing because of circulation problems. If you are having excessive scarring, you should report it to your doctor. >anyone one know if collagen supplements help out ? They would help only in the odd case that you were consuming too little protein and were unable to produce collagen as a result--not a very likely scenario. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "mancman" <someone@micro1.com> wrote in part: >>i read some research where it said that diabetics produce only 50% of the >>collagen (a protein forming the skin and connective tissue) that normal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & >>bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare > Collagen is what scars are made of. > If you scar excessively, particularly if the scar is raised or extends > beyond the original injury, you may be producing too much collagen. Scar tissue is produced when regrowth happens in conditions of low oxygenation, i.e., poor blood supply. The poor healing in diabetics is usually found in the extremeties, i.e. those places most affected by diabetic vascular complications to have the poorest blood supply. You might be able to increase the blood supply during healing by keeping the wound warm. You should be able to reduce its need for oxygen by topical application of vit E, possibly supplemented by internal vit E, because that reduces the consumption of the locally available oxygen by the oxidants. I did find decades ago, long before developing diabetes, that topical application of vit E to wounds was very effective in the prevention of the formation of scar tissue. However, you have to be careful not to all the E to mix with sticky would dressing adhesives which it can dissolve and carry through the skin, because that can cause very unpleasant inflammation.  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >> "mancman" <someone@micro1.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >dissolve and carry through the skin, because that can cause very >unpleasant inflammation. That's a good point. I recently sliced the tip off my thumb with a very sharp knife while chopping veges. The wound was an exposed 5mm (1/4") circle of flesh which, as it slowly healed, started looking like a crater because the flesh wasn't moving to cover it, just forming a rim around it. It looked like it would become a permanent and ugly scar and was healing slowly and very tender. After a few days I replaced the antiseptic cream I had been using with an OTC vitamin E cream (Redwin, with Evening Primrose Oil) and the change was very rapid. The healing process seemed to speed up, the tenderness quickly reduced and the skin started covering the wound. Two months later there is no scar and the incident is just a memory. I wasn't aware of the problem with dressing adhesive - but I'm usually careful to avoid the cream and adhesive merging anyway. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >>> "mancman" <someone@micro1.com> wrote in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>dissolve and carry through the skin, because that can cause very >>unpleasant inflammation. > That's a good point. I recently sliced the tip off my thumb > with a very sharp knife while chopping veges. The wound was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > covering the wound. Two months later there is no scar and > the incident is just a memory. Antiseptic cream may help if there is a septic problem. But they work by killing off bacteria by means of oxygen-consuming free radicals, and thus they depelte local oxygen in the tissues and *retard* healing and *promote* scar formation if there is no septic problem. The precautionary medical use of things like antibiotics and antiseptics causes a lot of harm. These things aren't benign! > I wasn't aware of the problem with dressing adhesive - but > I'm usually careful to avoid the cream and adhesive merging > anyway. The dressing adhesive problem is what has given the topical application of vit E to wounds a bad name due to ignorant doctors misinterpreting the results of badly controlled research. (I think I'm suffering from fool intolerance today :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >(I think I'm suffering from fool intolerance today :-) That can be quite a debilitating malady for users of usenet... 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Lately, I'll dare the rod. > i read some research where it said that diabetics produce only 50% of the > collagen (a protein forming the skin and connective tissue) that normal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lets start out with "supplements" This SEEMS to be a description, but is, in fact, a legal term meaning that it is not a food or a medicine This ,eams that it is not covered under the Pure Food and Drug Act, anf therefore does not require accurate labeling for content or effecacy. SO, I can bottle sugar and lable it "collogen supplement" and sell it - LEGALLY In the US, you should assume that anything labled supplement may be fraudulent >because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & >bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare What kind of bgs are you running? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Ted, I agree with you I dont like to take any meds that are not fda approved. Of course, the vitamins I take I guess are not fda approved, but they work for me. folic acid B6 B12 calcium magnesium acidolpholis Loretta > Ted, I agree with you I dont like to take any meds that are not fda > approved. Of course, the vitamins I take I guess are not fda approved, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Loretta I hate to be a pain (but too bad). How do you know that the vitamins you take do anything for you? And what country are they most likely made in (hint: if you don't know, look up toys and lead paint on the internet - the country that comes up where they make the toys is also the country where most vitamins are made). Now, are you sure you need them? Jeff I do not take unprescribed medication. I know that all my blood work shows that I am in great health for a sick woman. Jeff. They were given to me by my endo and for some reason they help my diabetes. I will not buy anything that is not made in the USA after the stories on the lead in the paint from China. I am not an uninformed person. My car is american made too. Loretta > I do not take unprescribed medication. I know that all my blood work > shows that I am in great health for a sick woman. Jeff. They were given [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You are sadly misled There is NO requirement to show country of origin on ANY drugs or supplements, and most drugs are NOT made in the US As to China, they have a very simple solution. Whie Chind does not export many drugs, they want to. The head of their FDA wasn't diligent enough, and some bad drugs sjowed up on the market They tried and executed him promptly. They said that the NEW head of China's FDA will be SURE that their drugs are pure, or he will rapidly join his predecessor. >> My car is american made too. >> >> Loretta Are you sure of that? It might be a Chevy or a Ford or any of the "American" cars, but where was it made? Canada? Mexico? So many of them are these days that buying American doesn't really mean you are, and check out where all the assembly parts are coming from when they're actually assembled here. :-) Cheri Agreed. TVs, radios and computers are also all made in the far east. I used to work in the department that tried rebadging of computers from us to Bull. And the "all american" car you think you bought has probably less US content than the Toyota you deprived yourself of. "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> a écrit ... >>> My car is american made too. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Cheri Frank t2 wrote in message <46bffff1$0$21435$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net>... >Agreed. >TVs, radios and computers are also all made in the far east. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >And the "all american" car you think you bought has probably >less US content than the Toyota you deprived yourself of. I always bought what I thought were American made cars, butI found out after the sale that the last Chevrolet I bought was made in Canada. This time I bought a Toyota that was made in America. LOL Cheri I am sure that my car is American made Cheri without a doubt. I have to believe someone is telling the truth. I dont want to have any negative thoughts about my car. lol It is a 1999 Caddy and it was made in the good old USA Loretta On Aug 13, 2:50?pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote: > I am sure that my car is American made Cheri without a doubt. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Loretta There's a way to tell what country your car was made in by looking at the VIN number. There is a character or number in it that will tell you that. http://www.articlegold.com/Article/Auto-VIN-Decoder/5874 Kurt You can also decode you VIN number automatically at web VIN decoder: http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 Best regards, Marcin Loretta, The only thing under debate is the source of the components of cars. Is you model a Deville? ... Seville ? ...Catera? ...Concours? What %age of the parts in your car are made in S.America ? . China ? ... India ? I personally have no idea, but I am willing to guess at over 40%. Where does the steel come from ? .. USA or India (India produces a LOT of the steel used in cars) "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... >I am sure that my car is American made Cheri without a doubt. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Loretta > Ted, I agree with you I dont like to take any meds that are not fda > approved. Of course, the vitamins I take I guess are not fda approved, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It is not what thy CLAIM too be, it is who makes them and sells them. With the exception of General Nutrition, the odds are that if you get a house brand for WalMart, Rite Aide, Giant, or Walgreens, you will get what is claimed, and look for USP which means that it claims to be pharmaceutical grade hba1c latest 7.2% mouse >>because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & >>bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >hba1c latest 7.2% Right. Well, that's why things are taking an age to heal. You need to get that lower. You a T1 or a T2? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 t1. my endo sez that a fine figure. we're targeted on 7% here in the uk mouse >>hba1c latest 7.2% > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > D&E, 100ug thyroxine > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >t1. my endo sez that a fine figure. we're targeted on 7% here in the uk > >mouse Nicky was right. Doesn't really matter what the endo said or what that target is. They aren't the ones with the wounds that don't heal. You said: "i decided to look at supplements because, nothing heals on me. spots/insect bites don't nor do cuts & bruises. well eventually but often with scar tissue. it's a nightmare" So, think about that. Why do you think they don't heal? There has been a lot written about it, start here: http://tinyurl.com/2nsygw I'd suggest you reset your goals. It's not just A1c - that's only a broad indication of past blood glucose numbers. For example, what was your reading an hour after breakfast today? Read this to see why I ask: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management thx man, appreciated. mm >>t1. my endo sez that a fine figure. we're targeted on 7% here in the uk >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ > latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >t1. my endo sez that a fine figure. we're targeted on 7% here in the uk Actually, Diabetes UK says never let your bg deviate from 4-7; your 7% A1c means that you're running 8+ ALL THE TIME. Your endo is still banging rocks together; suggest you get Bernstein's book from the library and read up on what's possible. This is why you're not healing: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>t1. my endo sez that a fine figure. we're targeted on 7% here in the uk > Actually, Diabetes UK says never let your bg deviate from 4-7; your 7% > A1c means that you're running 8+ ALL THE TIME. <cough> ... given certain assumptions about red blood cell lifespans, how "all the time" is sampled, etc. ... </cough> Generally speaking regarding A1C as a translation of some kind of BG averaging is a rather gross oversimplification which often sort of works under some specific data sampling and diabetic and physiological conditions. What's more useful is the idea that a rising A1C means your BG control is getting worse, and a falling A1C means it's getting better. You're right however that an A1C of 7% is only good in the sense that it's better than 8 or 9%. > Your endo is still > banging rocks together; suggest you get Bernstein's book from the > library and read up on what's possible. > This is why you're not healing: > http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php Exactly. Peripheral vascular damage. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] ><cough> ... given certain assumptions about red blood cell lifespans, >how "all the time" is sampled, etc. ... </cough> Gesundheit! I haven't yet recovered about your revelation abt Scottish male limbs on view this week :D Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 |
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