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For T2, are all sugars bad or just glucose?

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RPS - 10 Aug 2007 08:49 GMT
I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
maltose, etc.

However, the diabetic narrative is full of glucose and nothing else.
Never heard of a "blood fructose meter". :-)

So I am wondering: Are all sugars bad for T2's, or is it just glucose?

Thanks.
Julie Bove - 10 Aug 2007 08:59 GMT
>I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks.

I think you are confused.  When we talk of blood glucose, we mean blood
sugar.  This has nothing to do with sugar that we eat.

There is no such thing as a fructose meter, but there is a fructosamine
test.  This is like the glycoslated hemoglobin AKA A1c but it doesn't track
the cells back as far.

In terms of eating, some would say a carb is a carb is a carb.  Meaning that
say...a slice of white bread is no worse for your blood sugar than the
equivalent in spoonfuls of that white powder we call sugar.

Some people find that certain foods affect them badly and they must either
never eat these things or eat them in really small quantities.  Potatoes are
one such food.  I personally have no problem with them, provided I watch my
portion size.

Sugars in their natural states do not present a problem to the body, other
than perhaps raising BG (blood glucose).  But when they are extracted from
foods and used as a concentrated source, they can present a problem.  For
instance, high fructose corn syrup.  It has been linked to all sorts of bad
things.  This is not to be confused with corn syrup, which AFAIK has not
been linked to anything bad.

For the diabetic, fructose can be bad.  However, that is in and of itself.
By that, I mean that honey-like stuff you buy in a jar that is labeled
fructose.  It can lead to heart problems.  Nature intended it to be combined
with other natural sugars like sorbitol.  If you eat a piece of fruit, there
will be fructose in it but also sorbitol and other natural sugars.  When you
eat them in relatively small amounts like that and combined the way nature
intended them, they do not harm the body.  Might spike your BG, but won't
cause other damage like heart problems.
RPS - 10 Aug 2007 10:41 GMT
Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
so are fructose, maltose etc.

Now, calories are calories. If we consume more than we spend, we'd gain
wait. They could come from sugars to be sure, but the phenomenon is not
"sugar" specific, it would be the saame with proteins or fats.

The second issue is extra "sugar" in the blood, whose presence above
certain levels causes organ damage and other complications. AKA
diabetes.

AFAIK, only glucose appears to be mentioned in this context. Although
lay people use the term "sugar" informally, it has always been
emphasized to me in every professional setting that we are talking
about and testing for glucose, not any other kind of sugar. We don't
seem to test for or worry about other sugars.

So, my question, why skip other sugars? Would an excess of fructose or
maltose in the body not cause organ damage like glucose does?
Alan S - 10 Aug 2007 11:10 GMT
>Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
>chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>So, my question, why skip other sugars? Would an excess of fructose or
>maltose in the body not cause organ damage like glucose does?

As Julie explained, you are confusing ingested sugar and
blood glucose. And weight and calories are tangential to
this; they have nothing to do with the effect on blood
glucose in this sense.

Sugar, in any form, whether lactose, sucrose, fructose,
glucose or some other -ose, is one of many foods which will
cause a rise in your blood glucose levels after your eat
(ingest) them. Other foods, particularly carbohydrates will
also raise your blood glucose levels.

If you eat sucrose or fructose or starch, your blood glucose
rises, you don't get sucrose or fructose or starch in your
blood.

You test for blood glucose - but the cause of that glucose
in your blood can be any of a wide range of carbohydrates or
even, to a lesser degree, proteins.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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AlexZ - 10 Aug 2007 15:03 GMT
: As Julie explained, you are confusing ingested sugar and
: blood glucose...

For whatever reason, it is you and Julie who are confusing
OP's question. Not sure if either of you actually bothered
to read it. :)

: Sugar, in any form, whether lactose, sucrose, fructose,
: glucose or some other -ose, is one of many foods which will
: cause a rise in your blood glucose levels after your eat
: (ingest) them...

I can see starches breaking down into constituent sugars,
but one kind of sugar turning into another seems a stretch.
I am not sure, but are you? Sideways moves are MUCH harder
in Nature: it is far easier to extract oxygen from water than
to convert nitrogen into oxygen!

Anyway, let's look it up, if body actually converts fructose
into glucose.
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 10 Aug 2007 15:40 GMT
> Anyway, let's look it up, if body actually converts fructose
> into glucose.

It does unless you have fructose intolerance, which is a genetic
disorder in which you don't make the appropriate enzymes for digesting
fructose.

You want to get a basic biochemistry textbook to get all this stuff
straight.

Monosaccharides are sugars that contain one "unit" of sugar.  Glucose
is the one we're concerned about in diabetes because glucose is the
basic sugar that your body uses. However, you're correct that there
are monosaccharides other than glucose.  And yes, the body converts
them to glucose.  Glucose is sort of the "base" sugar in
biochemistry.

Most of your monosaccharides are 6-ring structures, and yes, the body
converts them to glucose.  The case of fructose is a bit different
because it's a 5-ring structure and therefore a bit harder to
convert.  It is more likely to be converted to fat than the other
monosaccharides.

Most of the things we think of as sugars are disaccharides.  Sucrose,
common table sugar, is a molecule made up of one unit of glucose and
one unit of fructose chemically bonded together.  Lactose, the sugar
found in milk, is made up of one molecule of glucose and one molecule
of galactose (galactose is another monosaccharide).

Starch and fibers are polysaccharides (also called "complex
carbohydrates"), which are big molecules containing lots and lots of
chains of monosaccharides (mostly glucose).  Starch is broken down in
the body very easily, which is why it causes a rise in bg almost as
fast as dissacharides. Soluble fiber is broken down minimally and
insoluble fiber pretty much hardly at all, hence the notion of "net
carbs" where fiber largely doesn't count.

The reason we "count" glucose is because the body primarily uses
glucose; all the polymers are broken down by the body into the unit
monosaccharides and the monosaccharides other than glucose are
converted to glucose before use.
jackiepatti@gmail.com - 10 Aug 2007 15:45 GMT
> I can see starches breaking down into constituent sugars,
> but one kind of sugar turning into another seems a stretch.
> I am not sure, but are you? Sideways moves are MUCH harder
> in Nature: it is far easier to extract oxygen from water than
> to convert nitrogen into oxygen!

This is a *very* different thing.  Nitrogen to oxygen would be a
change from one element to another.

The change from one monosaccharide to another is a change in the
rearrangement of atoms in a molecule.  The empirical formula for
glucose is C6 H12 O6 - most of the monosaccharides have the same
empirical formula.  Just they are put together in a different order.
Alan S - 11 Aug 2007 02:22 GMT
>: As Julie explained, you are confusing ingested sugar and
>: blood glucose...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Anyway, let's look it up, if body actually converts fructose
>into glucose.

Jackie answered far better than I could. I don't really
think I misunderstood the question.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Michelle C. - 11 Aug 2007 19:08 GMT
> >Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
> >chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

To add one more clarification to Alan and Julie's explanation...the
reason that all of these various types of sugar and other
carbohydrates are a problem for your blood glucose is because the body
ultimately breaks all of these things down into glucose.  Doesn't
matter what form it starts out as, the body breaks it down to glucose.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
percy - 10 Aug 2007 11:30 GMT
> Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
> chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
> so are fructose, maltose etc.

Glucose is the sugar your body uses. The sugars and other carbs you eat
are converted to glucose by the body.

> Now, calories are calories. If we consume more than we spend, we'd gain
> wait. They could come from sugars to be sure, but the phenomenon is not
> "sugar" specific, it would be the saame with proteins or fats.

Calories have nothing to do with blood glucose.

> The second issue is extra "sugar" in the blood, whose presence above
> certain levels causes organ damage and other complications. AKA
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> about and testing for glucose, not any other kind of sugar. We don't
> seem to test for or worry about other sugars.

There are no other sugars in your blood. Only glucose.

> So, my question, why skip other sugars? Would an excess of fructose or
> maltose in the body not cause organ damage like glucose does?

There are no other sugars in your blood. Only glucose.

It's not necessary to crosspost your messages to all the diabetes
newsgroups. Most here read them all.

Vicki
andal - 10 Aug 2007 14:20 GMT
> > Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
> > chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> Vicki

Cellular respiration...If I remember correctly, the sugars are
interchangeable and can all be converted into glucose by the cell,
because that is the easiest form to use to begin the process of
phosphorylating ATP !
ray - 10 Aug 2007 16:09 GMT
> Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
> chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> So, my question, why skip other sugars? Would an excess of fructose or
> maltose in the body not cause organ damage like glucose does?

A type 2 diabetic is insulin resistant. The means the body has trouble
metabolising 'sugar' in the blood. The culprit is sugar in the blood.
Sugar in the blood comes from any carbohydrate.

You should avoid glucose, other sugars, in fact - other carbs. Eating a
load of wheat flour will raise you blood glucose level as surely as eating
a load of glucose.
Herman Rubin - 10 Aug 2007 18:50 GMT
>Let me try to clarify my question. I am using the term sugar in
>chemical sense: a family of compounds of which glucose is a member but
>so are fructose, maltose etc.

>Now, calories are calories. If we consume more than we spend, we'd gain
>wait. They could come from sugars to be sure, but the phenomenon is not
>"sugar" specific, it would be the saame with proteins or fats.

>The second issue is extra "sugar" in the blood, whose presence above
>certain levels causes organ damage and other complications. AKA
>diabetes.

>AFAIK, only glucose appears to be mentioned in this context. Although
>lay people use the term "sugar" informally, it has always been
>emphasized to me in every professional setting that we are talking
>about and testing for glucose, not any other kind of sugar. We don't
>seem to test for or worry about other sugars.

>So, my question, why skip other sugars? Would an excess of fructose or
>maltose in the body not cause organ damage like glucose does?

Diabetes is the difficulty or inability to handle blood
glucose.  There are two aspects to carbohydrates; what
quick effect do they have, and what total effect do they
have.  What the carbohydrates are, and how they are
combined in food with other things, affects the first,
but not the second, with few exceptions.

There are simple sugars, double sugars, and compound
carbohydrates, which are primarily starches.  How fast
they are handled depends on how accessible they are to
digestive enzymes; glucose needs none.  Finely divided
starch, as in cooked potatoes "plain", is almost entirely
converted to glucose before it reaches the stomach.  Fats,
proteins, and mechanical problems (whole grains) can slow
the accessibility.  This is what the glycemic index measures.

Glucose is quickly absorbed.  Sucrose (table sugar) quickly
breaks down to glucose and fructose; maltose is just two
glucose molecules stuck together with a molecule of water
removed, so it has an even higher glycemic index than
glucose.  Fructose has to go through a process before it
affect blood glucose.

Lactose (milk sugar) has to go through a digestive process
which separates it into glucose and galactose.  Many adults,
a majority of the world's population of adults, do not have
much of the enzyme, and consequently it goes into the large
intestine undigested.  I do not know how quickly galactose
is handled.
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Alan S - 10 Aug 2007 10:40 GMT
>I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
>contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Thanks.

Forget sugars, think carbs.

My meter doesn't differentiate. It shows equally high
readings if I over-indulge - whether it's glucose, sucrose,
fructose or plain old starch.

For example, I get much the same peak post-prandial result
from a snack of one slice of multigrain bread (starch), or
an apple (fructose), or a glass of milk (lactose), or a few
jelly beans (glucose). They are all about 15 gms of
carbohydrate. The only thing that may vary slightly is the
timing of the post-prandial spike.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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AlexZ - 10 Aug 2007 15:06 GMT
: Forget sugars, think carbs.

What's that supposed to mean? Sugars are part of carbs.
anothascreename@aol.com - 10 Aug 2007 15:50 GMT
> : Forget sugars, think carbs.
>
> What's that supposed to mean?

It's the centerpiece of the mantra. You know - Diabetes II: the
religion
(not to be confused with the cult of L. Ron!)

And Alan wants to be pope and a saint: patron saint of diabetics, of
course!

> Sugars are part of carbs.

Why do you have to be so...so...so...secular :-(

Bob
Alan S - 11 Aug 2007 02:28 GMT
>> : Forget sugars, think carbs.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Bob

As an atheist, I may have some difficulty meeting your
perceptions of my need for beatification:-)

What's the centrepiece of your mantra? What advice would you
like to offer RPS to assist in management of their diabetes?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
anothascreename@aol.com - 12 Aug 2007 11:32 GMT
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:50:16 -0700, anothascreen...@aol.com
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> As an atheist, I may have some difficulty meeting your
> perceptions of my need for beatification:-)

Nope. I don't discriminate against folks who believe anti-religion
religion is more believable than belief in other religions.

> What's the centrepiece of your mantra? What advice would you
> like to offer RPS to assist in management of their diabetes?

Get the best professional help and the best tools you can afford, take
a primer in search engine logic if needed and learn how to use
everything efficiently. Do it all in less than two hours a day.
Ah, yes, and DON'T spend half your waking hours in the company of sick
people who spend most their waking hours telling others how to live
healthy lives. Unless of course you are trying to cash in on them.
Otherwise - if you DO have the urge to dedicate half your life on your
condition, go to medical school.

BTW - is your first check from Google still in the mail?

Bob
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Aug 2007 12:26 GMT
anothascreen...@aol.com wrote:
> > anothascreen...@aol.com wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Bob

What you have observed simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
right to convict dear neighbor Alan S:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/dc679971831b5431?

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Alan S - 12 Aug 2007 14:28 GMT
>BTW - is your first check from Google still in the mail?
>
>Bob

Not even in the envelope. Maybe Christmas.

Sad, bob. Nothing better to do?

Alan, T2, Australia.
DonnaB shallotpeel - 12 Aug 2007 15:04 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:28:53 +1000 in Msg.#
<cm2ub3hu6bmpi82dq3fepr2n8ktkib3ubb@4ax.com>, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com>  wrote:

> >BTW - is your first check from Google still in the mail?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Sad, bob. Nothing better to do?

What does this mean?

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anothascreename@aol.com - 12 Aug 2007 15:54 GMT
On Aug 12, 7:04 am, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:28:53 +1000 in Msg.#
> <cm2ub3hu6bmpi82dq3fepr2n8ktkib3...@4ax.com>, Alan S
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> What does this mean?

It means that Alan is sad his diabetes blog hasn't yet had enough hits
to generate a paycheck. After all, he tries so hard trying to get
newbies and other unsuspecting souls to click on the link to help
enhance his cash flow. Not to mention his untiring efforts to chase
other hustlers out of asd.

Bob
Alan S - 12 Aug 2007 23:19 GMT
>In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:28:53 +1000 in Msg.#
><cm2ub3hu6bmpi82dq3fepr2n8ktkib3ubb@4ax.com>, Alan S
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>What does this mean?

It means that Bob is on a mission. Apparently I exceed his
quota for posts to asd and it is his self-appointed task to
remind me. Now he seems to have decided that my blog is
about personal gain - hence the cheque reference. A cheque I
have yet to see:-)

I've no idea how I initially upset him, but it certainly
seems to have got his knickers in an almighty twist. He
rarely posts on any other subject.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Frank t2 - 13 Aug 2007 00:40 GMT
"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...

>>> >BTW - is your first check from Google still in the mail?
>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Think of it this way, Alan ...

It has a certain "cachet", having your very own, first stalker in asd ...
;)))
Alan S - 13 Aug 2007 01:22 GMT
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>It has a certain "cachet", having your very own, first stalker in asd ...
>;)))

Not my first, sadly. Not even the best:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Frank t2 - 13 Aug 2007 01:40 GMT
My hero !

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...

>>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Cheri - 13 Aug 2007 01:30 GMT
Frank t2 wrote in message

<46bf9a5e$0$29381$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-
>Think of it this way, Alan ...
>
>It has a certain "cachet", having your very own, first stalker in asd ...
>;)))

Nah, it wouldn't be the first one he's had. :-)

Cheri
Ozgirl - 13 Aug 2007 01:31 GMT
> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> It has a certain "cachet", having your very own, first stalker in asd ...
> ;)))

Stalker he is. Got too much time on his hands I suppose.
anothascreename@aol.com - 12 Aug 2007 15:47 GMT
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:32:11 -0700, anothascreen...@aol.com
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Sad, bob.

Yes, it is. Given the gargantuan effort.

Nothing better to do?

Plenty. Just not here, so you'll never know.

Bob
Ozgirl - 12 Aug 2007 22:38 GMT
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:32:11 -0700, anothascreen...@aol.com
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Plenty. Just not here, so you'll never know.

You been around the world a few times lately Bob? Take an annual 8 week trip
to visit family? I know Alan has plenty of time away from the computer to do
such exciting things. Wonder what you do with your time besides bitch and
moan.You make yourself look more stupid every day.
Julie Bove - 10 Aug 2007 20:51 GMT
> : Forget sugars, think carbs.
>
> What's that supposed to mean? Sugars are part of carbs.

Yes they are.  But people tend to think if they eat sugar their blood sugar
will go up.  If they don't eat sugar, it won't.  But it is the carbs that
raise blood sugar.  So it is the carbs we have to watch, no matter the
source.
Måck©® - 10 Aug 2007 21:44 GMT
>: Forget sugars, think carbs.
>
>What's that supposed to mean? Sugars are part of carbs.

For a diabetic, carbs have the greatest direct impact on Blood
Glucose.  Controlling carb intake is the first step in controlling
blood glucose levels.

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Alan S - 11 Aug 2007 02:25 GMT
>: Forget sugars, think carbs.
>
>What's that supposed to mean? Sugars are part of carbs.

That's exactly what I mean. Concentrating on sugars is only
seeing part of the problem. Too many newly diagnosed
diabetics miss the point that all carbs raise blood glucose
if eaten to excess, not just sugar. To define "excess" the
individual needs to use their blood glucose meter after
meals.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Loretta Eisenberg - 10 Aug 2007 16:52 GMT
AFAIKC, any oses are to be watched carefully , even those that are sugar
alcohols, cause they bring on the trots.

but fructose and the like are sugars.

Loretta
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 10 Aug 2007 19:16 GMT
> I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> So I am wondering: Are all sugars bad for T2's, or is it just glucose?

Neither.  VAT (visceral adipose tissue) is bad because it causes the
insulin resistance that disrupts euglycemia.

Glucose is good because it is the exclusive fuel of the brain.

It is the dysregulation that occurs because of the VAT (from
overeating) that is bad:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

> Thanks.

Thanks be to GOD.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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DonnaB shallotpeel - 10 Aug 2007 19:42 GMT
In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:49:33 GMT in Msg.#

> I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> So I am wondering: Are all sugars bad for T2's, or is it just glucose?

One's blood glucose meter measures the results of all kinds of food on one's
blood plus the results of physical exercise, plus the results of stress,
etc.

You're confusing 'blood glucose' with food sugars & leaving out a whole
array of other factors.

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J.C. Hartmann - 10 Aug 2007 19:46 GMT
> I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
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>
> Thanks.

The body turns all the other sugars into glucose.

Fructose, in particular, isn't the best for diabetics because it is a
pre-cursor to the polyol pathway which produces sugars, such as
sorbitol, which are responsible for cell damage in the blood vessels and
eyes.

Jim
matt weber - 10 Aug 2007 20:53 GMT
>I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
>contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
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>
>Thanks.
Ultimately, various enzyme systems in the body convert almost all
carbohydrates (including all kinds of sugars) to glucose. So
ultimately 10 grams of carbohydrates is going to be essentially 10
grams of glucose.
GysdeJongh - 12 Aug 2007 10:23 GMT
>I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
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>
> So I am wondering: Are all sugars bad for T2's, or is it just glucose?

Hi RPS ,
very good question if you ask me  :)

Yes you remember that correctly , food contains all kinds of sugars and
sugars are chemically related substances of course.

However in the design of the human body glucose got a very special function
: it is used as an energy carrier.This is by design , you can do nothing
about it.To use an analogy : in a powerplant a fuel , an energy source ,
coal , oil , natural gas , wind etc is converted to electricity.In your body
carbohydrates , bread , potatoes , vegetables , fat , meat etc is converted
to glucose.The glucose is than transported in your blood stream to where
ever it is needed.

Both for the same reason : logistic problems.The transport of electricity
and glucose is easier.So there are all kinds of sytems in your body to
convert things to glucose , to store glucose , to do the glucose bookkeeping
: how much do we have and do we need more of it at the moment.

There is a problem : free glucose is a bit of agressive chemical.It reacts
with all kinds of proteins.So the transport of glucose takes place in your
blood stream at an unbelieveble low concentration which is very tightly
regulated by hormones like insulin and glucagon.

Some parts of these sytems are impaired if you have T2D , the glucose
concentration in your blood may become too high giving rise to all kind of
medical complications : neuropathy ( which I have) , heart- and kidney
problems.So a good thing is to keep your blood glucose levels in check
yourselve now your body does nolonger do that for you fully automatically
:(  Oneway to do it is to keep track of the carbohydrates you eat and check
with a bg meter to see what effect they have on you personal.

The checking is of course only effective if you know what to with the
outcome.Measuring your bg in itself is just useless.So your second question
: where are the manuals ? is an even better question.Do not limit yourselve
to the low-carb books.If you want a good book than here is are a few free
ones :
http://www.endotext.org/diabetes/index.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=diabetes
and take a look at the science behind it all at :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez
hth
Gys
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Aug 2007 10:32 GMT
> >I am not the greatest chemist out there, but I do remember that foods
> > contain several kind of "sugars", among them glucose, fructose,
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> carbohydrates , bread , potatoes , vegetables , fat , meat etc is converted
> to glucose.

Most polysaccharides, disaccharides, and monosacharides can be
converted to glucose.

Some amino acids can also be converted to glucose.

Very little fat can be converted to glucose.

Glucose is absolutely required for the brain to function normally
while the rest of the body can use alternative fuels (ketones).

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