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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Day late - Dollar Short
Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there they were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering bgs. So, while I was patting myself on the back. expecting to receive a, resounding, "Go to the head of the class" for my new discovery, all you regulars were snickering and IM'ing each other messages like, "Ole Dufus John is at it again." Alright, I'll go sit in the back. Mortified John >Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there they >were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering bgs. So, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Mortified John John, you are a really great guy... We did not want to spoil your fun.... If you like, maybe I will crack open an old Physiology and Biochem text book and give you the metabolic equations, involving acteic acid and metabolism of glycogen, glucose, etc...---> ATP The important thing is that you learned something from your OWN experience, and in the process, you helped educate lots of other folks.... Did you know that several historical figures swore upon the healthful benefits of vinegar?Lt. Gen. Francis Marion (1732-1795), of Revolutionary War fame, was known to keep a dilute mixture of vinegar in his canteen at all times.... He probably was not a diabetic, but perhaps he did realize some benefit from it. Will, T2 >Did you know that several historical figures swore upon the healthful >benefits of vinegar?Lt. Gen. Francis Marion (1732-1795), of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Will, T2 Sorry, my bad... Francis Marion was only a Lt. Col..... I just checked. Still, he liked his vinegar! Will, T2 Will, I have to ask you a question. How do you know all the informtion you give to us. Do you research or is it in the recesses of your mind. I am so impressed. Loretta > Will, I have to ask you a question. How do you know all the informtion > you give to us. Do you research or is it in the recesses of your mind. > I am so impressed. > > Loretta Kinda makes me wanna get my GED John >Will, I have to ask you a question. How do you know all the informtion >you give to us. Do you research or is it in the recesses of your mind. >I am so impressed. > >Loretta Sometime, maybe, I shall tell you privately, Loretta... Let's just say I remember things. The key to being able to remember is total concentration in everyday moments of daily life. It is just a habit that has been with me since birth. Tich Nhat Hanh calls it "mindfullness". Yes, I am driven to research anything and everything of remote interest for a couple of hours every day. Some of the stuff I share with this group is mostly new research. Other things are things from 20-30 years ago. And still other items are from ancient history, of which I am a student. As you may have gleaned, I read a lot, and I have thousands of books in my home, but there is a lot more to it than that... I don't want to seem to brag... Will, T2 > The key to being able to remember is total concentration in everyday > moments of daily > life. Tich Nhat Hanh calls it "mindfullness". Too bad we don't understand that when we're young. Those who do become lawyers and those who don't become, well.... me. lol John >Too bad we don't understand that when we're young. Those who do become >lawyers and those who don't become, well.... me. lol Hi John, Don't feel bad... Most lawyers would not know what I am talking about either... Being able to think fast on your feet is a huge advantage;-) What I am talking about is a state of mind that enables a person to remember virtually everything he/she has ever experienced and bring it up on demand in "recall mode" so to speak. Plus, I normally read at about 1,000 wpm.... That also helps a little, I think. Don't get me wrong, sometimes I get distracted, like anyone else, so I do not claim perfect 100% memory. The key, however, is in the ability to concentrate. It is a habit of mind, and something many people could train themselves to do... For whatever reason, it was simply part of my approach to life from day one. I really do not think of myself as smarter, or better... But being able to remember things and think under pressure really helps. It has meant the difference between life and death on several occasions. Will, T2 will, I just got the secret , concentration and unfortunately for me my mind is so clouded with stuff, that my ability to concentrate has diminished greatly and I dont retain anything. I can read an article and not know one thing I read, five minutes later. I wonder if it is the meds I take. Loretta >> The key to being able to remember is total concentration in everyday >> moments of daily [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John I just think different people are different. Like Will said he has been like that since birth. I am not like that. I focus on what I am focusing on, and am not mindful of the rest. I have always been like that. I guess we could all try to change how we are, but that wouldn't be as much fun as just being who we are. KC > I guess > we could all try to change how we are, but that wouldn't be as much fun as > > just being who we are. I agreee, KC, and the idea of genuineness comes to mind... We have all know and have seen people who seem rather shallow and fake. I think if a person is genuine, not only does that person have more fun, but those around him/her have more fun, too. I like you just the way you are KC, as long as you are having fun! I am sure your husband must feel the same way. The epitaph on my tombstone shall read, "He had a pretty good time." Will, T2 Will, are you serious about your epitatph. I have giv en my daughter instructions. First, it was going to be she always tries to do the right thing and then it went to she is one mean son of a bitch. lol Loretta only kidding > Will, are you serious about your epitatph. I have giv en my daughter > instructions. First, it was going to be she always tries to do the > right thing and then it went to she is one mean son of a bitch. lol > > Loretta > only kidding Ha, Ha, that would be a funny one, Loretta... Yes, I am fairly serious about the epitaph... I have had what I would consider a fun and interesting life. It could have been far worse, and the best part is that it is still in progress! If I live to break 80, I shall add a line that says, "He had no enemies, for he outlived them all." ;-) Will, T2 > Will, are you serious about your epitatph. I have giv en my daughter > instructions. First, it was going to be she always tries to do the > right thing and then it went to she is one mean son of a bitch. lol > > Loretta > only kidding My instructions have actually been dispose of me in whatever way is least expensive. I am frugal to the core. I know I won't care after I'm gone. KC >> Will, are you serious about your epitatph. I have giv en my daughter >> instructions. First, it was going to be she always tries to do the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > KC Funny, my father asked me just last week what my preferences would be. I told him to dump me in the ditch behind the mall. John >> Will, are you serious about your epitatph. I have giv en my daughter >> instructions. First, it was going to be she always tries to do the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > KC It's called "box and burn". You get a cardboard casket. More environmentally friendly than burning a hundred pounds of wood and chemical-laden fabric. If there was a gurney around the house, we could bypass the hospital completely. The crematorium is at the end of our street. :-) Vicki >It's called "box and burn". You get a cardboard casket. More >environmentally friendly than burning a hundred pounds of wood and >chemical-laden fabric. Actually, that is about the way to do it, Vicky, although if it is feasible, my family have been instructed to hire a helicopter and drop me into an active volcano... nothing like going out with a bit of flare ;-) The tombstone idea was just to have something for people to look at, to know that "Will was here", so to speak.... not like "Kilroy was here", but something like that! Ha, etc. Will, T2 >> I guess >> we could all try to change how we are, but that wouldn't be as much fun [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will, T2 Aww, thanks. I like you just the way you are too. It's very good having people like you around to answer my questions on the issues I am focused on. You do remind me of my husband alot because besides the reading dictionaries and encyclopedias that I mentioned. He is particularly mindful of things too. I think that he has a photographic memory. It is very convenient when I am looking for lost things. We are polar opposites in the mindful issue as I am really on the far end of the unmindfulness, but we have alot of common interests and values, so that difference doesn't matter. Even the epitaph reminds me of something my husband would say. He frequently refers to our ride on the rock and wanting to enjoy it and wanting to do it our way. I'll agree with you and him that having a good time is very important. KC > Tich Nhat Hanh Sorry, blind Will says that should be Thich Nhat Hanh, for all those of you who may want to check him out... Will, T2 >>Will, I have to ask you a question. How do you know all the informtion >>you give to us. Do you research or is it in the recesses of your mind. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Will, T2 My husband is just like you Will. He read dictionaries and encyclopedias for fun as a child. KC >My husband is just like you Will. He read dictionaries and encyclopedias >for fun as a child. Hi KC, I did that then, and sometimes still do... Then a really fun time can be had reading things like the "Oxford Book of Quotations", and similar things. Your husband must be a really neat guy! Will, T2 Will, when you have the time, please email me, I am intrigued. Loretta Ahaa, couples are starting to form ... "Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... > Will, when you have the time, please email me, I am intrigued. > > Loretta >Ahaa, couples are starting to form ... > >"Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ... >> Will, when you have the time, please email me, I am intrigued. >> >> Loretta Uh, Frank.. many of us long-time asd regulars exchange private emails all the time. This truly is a circle of friends. Over the last couple of years, I dare say that Loretta and I both have exchanged private emails with dozens and dozens of people from here.... almost beyond counting. It is no big deal... Will, T2 Sorry, (I realise where you're coming from), I should have put in a smiley ... There, It's done ... "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> a écrit ... >>Ahaa, couples are starting to form ... ;))) >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Will, T2 >>Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there >>they [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Will, T2 My favorite uncle (who was an adult when I was very little but who stayed "young" enough so that, when I became an adult, we'd go trolling in bars together) had a heart attack at about 60. I don't know how he got on it (and I considered it weird at the time) but he started taking as much as a cup of vinegar spread out through the day... said it was good for you. He died a few years later. John >Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there they >were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering bgs. So, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Mortified John actually, no one was snickering at you. Many of us who have read these discussions concerning vinegar over the years have not yet tried it ourselves. unless your name is chung, don't waste your time thinking everyone is laughing at you.  SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there >>they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > unless your name is chung, don't waste your time thinking everyone is > laughing at you. Thanks. Johng "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>> ..... >>>Mortified John [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Johng Weird ... Frang ... >>> unless your name is chung, don't waste your time thinking everyone is >>> laughing at you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Frang ... Thanks for the laugh, guys... Somehow, Willn doesn't work the same way.... Hmmm. Willn and able ? ;-) >>>> unless your name is chung, don't waste your time thinking everyone is >>>> laughing at you. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Willn and able ? ;-) Willng, T2 >"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Frang ... you forgot how to spell your own name? now that's weird. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > now that's weird. It's a joke. Somebody explain it to him John >>>"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >John Hi Johng, I think he gets it... Maybe that would be a good style of sig for us all to adopt! Ha, etc. Willng, T2 Well, Måck ... My name is Frank, and just as John morphed his name from John to Johng (cf ChinG...) ... Oh, no, I can't explain it to him ... let him figure it out, or let it be lost for eternity ... "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>>"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > John >Well, Måck ... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I can't explain it to him ... let him figure it out, or let it be lost for >eternity ... Really, if everyone of us simply put an -ng at the end of our names, then it would be kinda like a club thing... Willng, Frang, Johng, Mackng, Julieng, Lorettang, and so it goes... Not quite like heavens gate, but good enough for a bunch of metabolically impaired sweet-bloods... Ha, etc. Will, T2 >>Well, Måck ... >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Will, T2 I think it would be "cliqueish" and discourage some newbies, Will. John >> Really, if everyone of us simply put an -ng at the end of our names, >> then it would be kinda like a club thing... Willng, Frang, Johng, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >John Well, you gotta admit... "Sweet Blood" would be a good name for a band. Will, T2 >>> Really, if everyone of us simply put an -ng at the end of our names, >>> then it would be kinda like a club thing... Willng, Frang, Johng, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Will, T2 Hey!.... it would John >Really, if everyone of us simply put an -ng at the end of our names, >then it would be kinda like a club thing... Willng, Frang, Johng, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Will, T2 with chung trolling the diabetes groups please don't imply that any of us want to be a part of anything like that heaven's gate group, that's just too creepy. Rule #1 when visiting chung's house, always decline the cool aid. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>>"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >John It was joke John, should I have someone explain it to you? ;P SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . On 8/7/07 3:07 PM, in article J26ui.1877$MT3.1511@trnddc05, "johnniemccoy@" > Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there they > were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering bgs. So, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mortified John Why? I am sure you are not the only one who was unaware. Many people will have come since the last go round. Martha T2 Canada > On 8/7/07 3:07 PM, in article J26ui.1877$MT3.1511@trnddc05, > "johnniemccoy@" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Martha T2 Canada What would be cool, is an archive of very short (... let me say that again "very short") but significant posts. I say "short" so it wouldn't be full of boring, long winded, anecdotes or news articles, reports, etc... maybe on a webpage. A place for newbies to play "catch-up." John >> On 8/7/07 3:07 PM, in article J26ui.1877$MT3.1511@trnddc05, >> "johnniemccoy@" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >John We can each do that personally. That is exactly the reason why I started my blog; nearly every post on it appeared here first. Like most of the regulars I found I was looking for different ways to repeat the same things to newbies so I found it simpler and easier to give the url to where I'd said it before. I admit that I'm basically lazy. It's also why I have links there to others, like Jennifer's advice or Mendosa's wonderful site. Doesn't mean I'm special - anyone here could do the same. Including you:-) I'd like to include some of the great posts from past posters - like Annette or Old Al - but I'm loath to do so without their permission. Quentin has his own site of course. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >What would be cool, is an archive of very short (... let me say that again >"very short") but significant posts. I say "short" so it wouldn't be full of >boring, long winded, anecdotes or news articles, reports, etc... maybe on a >webpage. A place for newbies to play "catch-up." I'm writing one for me, so I can find all this stuff... I'm pretty good at remembering things, but completely awful at remembering where I filed them : ) Unfortunately, it's not likely to be short, if I'm writing it... Alan has a blog; Jenny's pages are a great reference; so are David Mendosa's. Have a go yourself - a meta-index... Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On 8/7/07 3:07 PM, in article J26ui.1877$MT3.1511@trnddc05, > "johnniemccoy@" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Why? I am sure you are not the only one who was unaware. Many people will > have come since the last go round. Yeah, like me. I didn't know about it until these recent discussions. KC > Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there > they were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mortified John Hi johnniemccoy, I find your humor refreshing :) and as far as I'm concerned you may "Go to the head of the class" for your new discovery.Glad you post here. Ok I experimented a lot on myself and I also tried the vinegar thing.I used balsamico , made dressings myself etc.After about a year of the combination of mostly uncooked , raw , hard veggies with the acid vinegar there were groves in all my teeth.The enamel was eroded.I noticed that when the groves were so deep that they almost touched the nerves down in my teeth and became painful .Yes.I know.Very stupid.The dentist had to make them a little deeper to apply the plastic for repair.The dentist is a good friend I know for years.When I was in the dentist chair I saw him writing something.I said : what are you writing.He said : I will send you to the hospital because I can not completely anaesthetise you here.I said : then do it without anasthetic.He said : but that is medieval ! I will have to hit the nerves in about 5 or 6 of your teeth.I will not do that to one of my bests friends.I said well.... lets try I'm here anyway.And you know... it was not all that painfull afterall.My pain threshold must have shifted because of the neuropathy in my hands and feet.Good intentions but a bit wrong results :( So Take care.Avoid the vinegar before going to bed.Don't do it in combination with hard , raw , veggies.Flush your mouth with water or even better something that will neutralise the acid like alka salzer.Check your teeth regularly Gys >> Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there >> they were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ok One other thing I have heartburn for as long as I live especially when lying down in bed.When I drank vinegar the heartburn completely cured.... Weird.I don't know why. One other thing If you pour the vinegar on the baby ribs and put them on the BBQ , like you did in the thread down at our feet now , the acid will hydrolyse the protein.Now the baby ribs are converted to amino acids.And....amino acids will greatly reduce your bg (and cause a lot of satiety , so you will stop craving...).Especially the branched amino acids.Also good for building muscle.In itself good for your bg. When the proces has ended your vinegar is gone.Any effect from vinegar/baby ribs does not come from vinegar I think (?) Just my 2 cents Gys >>> Ok! I just searched "vinegar" in Google Groups (this group), and there >>> they were, a gazillion post, through the years, about vinegar lowering [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Just my 2 cents > Gys Actually, Gys, I didn't have the ribs Monday as I had intended. Next week I will, and I'll use the vinegar the way you suggested. Thanks for the tip and the other info. John > Actually, Gys, I didn't have the ribs Monday as I had intended. Next week > I will, and I'll use the vinegar the way you suggested. Thanks for the tip > and the other info. Like your grandmother I also use it to make meat tender.If I make a stew from beef I fry the beef shortly in butter , than add a lot of vinegar , put the lid on and keep it on low heat for several hours.You don't have to be afraid that it will taste awful to vinegar because the vinegar will both evaporate and be neutralised by the beef.The beef will become very tender.I than add the other ingredients like onions , bell peppers , garlic Also works with ribs of course Gys |
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