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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Depression Drugs
I have posted before and upset a few people. I go to extreme measure to avoid these drugs. I do not have a clinical depression but life is very rough at times. The medical profession is too prone to take the easy way out. It easy to write a prescription and get the patient out---next. I had a rough life and fond very early to GET BUSY. For some the meds are required. So far I have managed to not use them. As I age the window narrows. Who know about the future. R3cently, I had an acute parasite infection and was miserable. the doc that failed me then started interrogating me with depression questions. I swung my wheel chair around and said "we are not going there, I have a systemic parasite infection and we need to deal with it. T4reatment for a parasite infection has worked well but some residual damage. When the world starts to get me down, I get busy. Again there are people that need meds but they are being passed out like candy. I suspect that in some it causes more problems. An older drug has harmed so many. Alcohol. Guy > I have posted before and upset a few people. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Guy In my case, I can say wryly, that I believe in the "Arbeit macht frei" concept. Not in the vicious sense which inspired the slogan initially, but in the sense that I feel happy when I'm working hard, even if at the end of that my ankle packs it in. Unfortunately sometimes even that is not enough to stop my depression. I have always marvelled how some people quite well off and seemingly nothing wrong with them get depressed to the point of suicide, yet others, needy and in poor health, some with serious disabilities, can stay optimistic - such as yourself and others on this newsgroup. Henry Mydlarz Guy, when a person is depressed, either situational or clinical, they just dont get over it. For those people who suffere depression, they need something to stabilize them If you dont want to take medication and you handle your life, that is your perrogrative, but for those that need them, they should use them. I also believe that a person who is depressed see a psychiatrist as opposed to a therapist who has no knowledge of psychotropic medications and reads a book on what to have prescribed by a regular doctor. jmo therapiss to me are for people who find that their lives arent working for them and need therapy without meds. But if someone is depressed, they are best off seeing a psychaitrist. Loretta >Guy, when a person is depressed, either situational or clinical, they >just dont get over it. For those people who suffere depression, they [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Loretta Loretta , You have informed me before real depression. I listened. What I am seeing is the overuse of these drugs in peopole that are not depresaed but are just stressed. The GP seem to be too quick to use them. A referral to the proper doctor is the right thing to do. I see the word depression beng used too casually. REmember the book ---Be glad you are neurotic. All intelligent people have short period of feeling worthless but it passes quickly. >What I am seeing is the overuse of these drugs in peopole >that are not depresaed but are just stressed. seriously Guy, what even qualifies you to make this statement? >>What I am seeing is the overuse of these drugs in peopole >>that are not depresaed but are just stressed. > > seriously Guy, what even qualifies you to make this statement? Unfortunately Guy's attitude to things like depression, anxiety and panic attacks is similar to that of a large part of community. It is common for a sufferer to hear comments such as "there's nothing wrong with you - snap out of it" or "think happy thoughts" or "so-and-so is worse off than you are, and she is not depressed". Such comments can even come from the medical profession and some supportive people who should know better. In my case, I admit that my level of depression etc., and my reasons for being so, are nowhere as serious as those of other posters here. Regardless, I feel I've received little understanding, even from my closest family. Yesterday afternoon some situations at work got to me. There was no big deal - they shouldn't have hassled me, yet they did. It's now just after 3am in Melbourne, and I've accepted that I have yet another night of insomnia. Thought I might as well make the most of it, so I got up and posted this...... Parhaps I'll get some small degree of sleep when I get back to bed in the next hour. Henry Mydlarz Henry, I hope you were able to fall asleep. I am going to give you some of my tricks that I use to sleep. My first rule is no one is allowed to call after eight pm because if my mind gets stimulated I will be thinking all night about the conversation. My friends understand that. I never have any caffeine on a regular basis, but if I do it is before two pm so that I am not jittery three I take my meds. Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not too frequently at night. I am able to empty my brain. I live alone, but even when I was married my husband and I shared these thoughts Loretta >Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch >mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not >too frequently at night. > >I am able to empty my brain. I know we are dealing with a serious subject Loretta - but that cracked me up. Three ways to empty your brain: watch mindless TV; read stupid magazines; read and post on alt.support.diabetes. :-)) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >I know we are dealing with a serious subject Loretta - but >that cracked me up. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > :-)) If I recall correctly, it was our friend Roger Zoul, who said he would post more often, but he found himself spending an inordinate amount of time posting to asd. Speaking for myself, I check in a few times a day, and go on my way... A few minutes, here and there, is a welcome diversion from the often distressing and stressful moments of a typical day. Will, T2 >peaking for myself, I check in a few times a day, and go on my way... >A few minutes, here and there, is a welcome diversion from the often >distressing and stressful moments of a typical day. Also, since I am the boss, it is always "OK".... The "boss" approves of my activities on asd. ;-) Will, T2 Alan, I didnt mean asd was mindless. I dont come here too often an night cause it stimulates my brain and I need it to be empty,.hahahahaha Loretta so what am I diong here now I am bored with my mindless entertainment >Alan, I didnt mean asd was mindless. I dont come here too often an >night cause it stimulates my brain and I need it to be empty,.hahahahaha > >Loretta >so what am I diong here now I am bored with my mindless entertainment If you are talking about an idea of "emptiness", Loretta, it is not necessarily a bad thing... It could be a precursor to sleep, a readiness for a new receptivity for something completely different in your life... Buddhists and Taoists often dwell upon it, as a principal idea. Maybe you are in search of something other than the "mindless entertainment". Will, T2 > It could be a precursor to sleep, a >readiness for a new receptivity for something completely different in >your life... I meant, or as a readiness for a new receptivity for something completely different in your life.... Although having studies a great deal of Jungian psychology, I would say that often much of the material from the unconscious that presents in the form of dreams is just that.... a suggestion from your deep unconscious of the need and possibility for something completely different. Will, T2 >Buddhists and Taoists often dwell upon it, as a principal idea. > >Maybe you are in search of something other than the "mindless >entertainment". > >Will, T2 I am talking about Sunyata, or voidness... emptiness. Will, T2 >>Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch >>mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > :-)) Actually, Alan, a few times I have had some success when waking up in the middle of the night - I deliberately try to "blank out" anything I am thinking about - anything at all, and replace it with "scrambled thoughts" a few times that put me to sleep. Henry Mydlarz >>>Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch >>>mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Henry Mydlarz Hi Henry I used to be a severe insomniac too. I changed the night of my CLL diagnosis. I have no idea how or why. However, I do not recommend that as a cure:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >>>>Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch >>>>mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > my CLL diagnosis. I have no idea how or why. However, I do > not recommend that as a cure:-) Good Morning Alan, A while ago, after a fall of my bicycle, I was in some degree of pain. Oddly enough, I slept better then. It seemed the pain took my mind of other things. Incidentally - slept 8 hours last night - first time in two weeks......... woke up with a high fbg, though, despite the Lantus. Probably because I didn't ride yeaterday. Off to work on my bicycle into a 30 knot head wind soon. Should do wonders for my bg.... Henry. >>>>>Those hours from 8 to 12 are time that I turn my mind off and watch >>>>>mindless telev ision, read stupid magazines. or come here which is not [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Henry. Be well Henry. Keep out of that traffic:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > Henry, I hope you were able to fall asleep. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Loretta Thank you Very Much for the advice, Loretta. Unfortunately, as I expected, I did not get back to sleep. I felt nice and sleepy at 5am - 45 minutes before I had to wake up! Felt very low all morning, until things at work started looking up. I don't deliberately dwell on work matters, and I am deliberately trying to insulate myself from bad news (there's plenty of that around), but my problem is that very often, in the middle of the night, some thought gives me a "twinge", then the problem gets blown out of all proportions, and I can't get back to sleep. Then every problem, no matter how minor, becomes insurmountable. I was quite depressed all morning. Now I'm sort of OK. Thanks once again. Good friends make it easier to cope with. Henry Mydlarz. Incidentally, Loretta (and Will), an hour ago I ordered my first book on Amazon - the Kaballah book on depression, recommended by Will in an earlier thread. I am not religious, but something's got to help... Henry, I am not religious either although I am jewish. I ordered the book the minute I read about it from Will. Loretta my plans didnt work in a day, henry, It takes a while if it works at all. Loretta >Incidentally, Loretta (and Will), an hour ago I ordered my first book on >Amazon - the Kaballah book on depression, recommended by Will in an earlier >thread. I am not religious, but something's got to help... I hope it helps, Henry... As you may have gleaned, I often fight some degree of depression myself, so I am always looking for strategies for coping with it.. You are a very good man, Henry. Will, T2 >>Incidentally, Loretta (and Will), an hour ago I ordered my first book on >>Amazon - the Kaballah book on depression, recommended by Will in an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Will, T2 Hello Loretta, Hello Will, Some may disagree with the "good man" bit....... I try, though..... When I met my wife, almost 30 years ago, she used to visit her grandfather. He used to be a really active do-it-yourself person, but when I'd accompany my wife Lin, he was by then a doddering 80 year old man with a bad hip. He didn't talk much. Their family was moderately religious (we go to a Liberal synagogue, if we go at all). Anyway, the old man had a prayer book by his side, and he referred to it constantly. A couple of years later he developed water on his legs. Suspecting a heart condition, he was sent to hospital for observation. At the hospital he caught the Golden Staph. He was transferred to an infectious diseases hospital where, after a few weeks, he died in agony. His prayer book was always by his side. His religion helped him cope in thos final painful times. This is why, never being religious myself, I've admired people who are - those to whom religion offers possibly an explanation, and definitely support when things are really bad. Henry. >>>What I am seeing is the overuse of these drugs in peopole >>>that are not depresaed but are just stressed. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Henry Mydlarz At this stage I'd like to be most emphatic that I still very much admire Guy and most of what he posts. I think only a sufferer can fully understand depression. It was only after I spoke to a couple of people who have gone through clinical depression that I fully understood what it was - how much more serious it was than my dilemma. Henry Mydlarz Mack, if I am stressed and have to I will take an occasional tranq. Since I have suffered from clinical depression, I take my prozac everyday and will for the rest of my life. Being depressed is a very unhyappy place to me. Guy, do you have your md in pyschiatry Loretta >Mack, if I am stressed and have to I will take an occasional tranq. >Since I have suffered from clinical depression, I take my prozac [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Loretta depression is not something anyone has the right to down play, or minimalise the risks/dangers of. If there is a possibility that someone suffers from it they should be encouraged to seek medical help. Not directed elsewhere, or discouraged in anyway. Worst case, it could cost someone their life. Best case it could cost them years of needless suffering. My hat's off to you and anyone else who is winning against depression by whatever means is working for them.  SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . |
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